Walls and Waterproofing | Master Bath Remodel (Part 5)
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2018
- In this video, I close up the walls and prepare for tile! In the bedroom, I show how I installed drywall and taped the 45-degree angled wall. In the bathroom, I show how I built the curb, applied a skim coat of thinset, and waterproofed the shower with Redgard.
Over the Winter of 2018, I gutted my tiny master bathroom, moved a wall to double the useable space, and completely rebuilt it from the ground up with high-end finishes like carrara marble and a smart shower.
For more information, see handydad.tv/master-bath-remodel.
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I’m in the process of doing my hallway bathroom, but when I am finished and move to my master bathroom I’ll be doing a stand up shower. I’ve watched hours of shower pan installs and out of all of them I’ve preferred starrtile the most. Glad to see someone using the methods he’s shared!!
Just a tip, tape some 6mm plastic over the door opening next time (if there is a next time), and buy a sticky zipper so you can walk through, it will reduce the dust to next to zero, also paper booties if you have to step out quick and run through the house ;) Great job, well done on tackling it. Enjoy the fruits off your labor mate!
Hey I just want to say thank you I love your shows they are really informative in your easy to listen to so keep up the good work I really appreciate all your hard work and make a new videos I'm going to start doing work to my house if you can do it I can do it be blessed Patrick Ford of Olney Illinois
You CAN do it. It’s much easier if you have fun and enjoy trying new things. And you’ll save so much money.
Very nice. Thank you.
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Always apply Redgard or any liquid waterproofing as per the manufacturers directions. There is a coverage rate on the can to make sure it is thick enough to block vapor as well as bulk water. They tell you what roller to use (3/4” rough Nap) and how many feet you should get out of a gallon if applying it right. Always 2 coats minimum.
I was just wondering the other day how this project was coming along. Thanks for the update, the red guard seems like its really easy to work with.
Thanks. I recorded a LOT of footage. I’m trying to put out one a week.
I can tell you did a lot of editing, it was a good video .
Thanks so much.
You did a great job, but my knees hurt watching this.
Yes, you can clean a roller or brush after Redgard. It's water soluble. You can thin it with water in fact.
STARR TILE IS THE BEST BUT SAL IS ALSO GOOD TO... GREAT JOB HANDY DAD...
I agree. I learned so much watching Sal lay tile.
Tako2e Doyle sucks
Redgard requires fiberglass tape at any change of plane. So every joint that changes direction should have been taped. You should read the directions.
@ 14:40 you said it! If water gets past the grout in the floor tile, it will have nowhere to go! LOL Causing mold maybe? You should NOT have covered around the weep holes so that they can do their job.
Is your green board in the shower taped with dry wall mud or thin set my friend??? Modified or unmodified thin set or just joint compound? Thanks 🙏🏽
The green board is taped with joint compound. I used thinset for the Durock joints only. And for the tile (but that’s the next video). Modified.
So I was thrown into a bath reno and need to figure out where to stop my wall board whatever that is in the tub area as I'm abutting up to existing wood lath and plaster on adjacent wall. The plaster I'm removing in tub area is approx 1/2" thick so figured I'd leave the lath there. The rest of the tub area is down to studs. H E L P Thx for any input..
In my opinion, the tile substrate should but the top of the tub lip on the studs. Then the tile will extend below the lip, nice and flat.
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BAD NEWS! You apparently have a ghost in your house and he REALLY likes Durock. You can see his frustration if you look at your door at around 8:00. LOL
What kind of floor drain did you use? I am remodeling and would like your input on the drain! If you recommend. Thanks
I used a QM Shower Drain - amzn.to/2qGXmm0
I have the same drain installed. How does the water get up over the lip to drain out if it gets under the grout (which it’s certain to do in the future). Not it just pool on the red guard below?
In the shower, how low are the lowest screws in the wall board? - low enough to penetrate the pan liner? My impression is that Bob Doyle doesn't worry about a few screws penetrating the pan liner, but I haven't found one of his videos where I can see how the bottom few inches of the backer board is attached to the studs.
He says to keep them above the curb height. No worries if they puncture the liner that high. Water will spill over the curb before it penetrates the liner.
How much redgard did you need? I'm doing a 5' by 3.5' shower. I'm thinking I'll need the 3.5 gallon.
One gallon did two full coats; three coats in the niches and corners.
What did you use as joint compound on the greenboard in the shower?
I used joint compound on the drywall and thinset on the cement board.
First of all you do great work , also your video is the only one I’ve seen using that square tile-in drain which I am as well , so I’m building a shower, got the pan hot mopped then I put gravel protecting weep holes , poured the dry pack mortar and I set the square drain rim higher than mortar to meet flush with final tile , where I need help is redgard complete mortar floor right up to edge of the squared drain wall? ( you stated you redgard really close up under neath drain ) meaning you had to remove it after you poured the mortar?
Or leave mortar exposed to let it soak and drain through weeps ?
Or remove the square drain after i have poured the dry pack and redgard entire floor even under the drain leading into weep holes ? Don’t know please help .
I covered the mortar bed with Redgard all around the drain. I don’t expect any water to penetrate the mortar, but if it does, I’m protected by the pan liner. I got this method from Starr Tile (look for his channel); he’s the pro.
HandyDadTV thank you for the reply , indeed I am a fan of bob Doyle as well of yours , he use to leave the mortar floor exposed and only cover like ten inches around bottom perimeter , he is now covering the whole floor , I just can’t understand how the water will escape up and over the rim of the drain if water would be to get through the tile and grout , wouldn’t it just pool around the drain on top of the redgard since the rim is slightly higher ?
@@909LOUIE I know what you mean. I'm about to do my first shower and I'm thinking just leave a bit of un-guarded mortar around the drain so water can seep through and down to the weep holes.
Hey there HandyDad, Great video!
Curious, how did things end up after the job? Did everything hold up well and did the redgard do the trick? I was curious about how the redgard held adhered to the drywall mud and if you noticed any issues with that or anything else. Is there Anything you would have done differently?
I'm basically doing the same thing as you but with a tub and shower in an alcove abut I noticed that I have a couple of bows on one wall that will definitly need a skimcoat to fill the voids so that the tile runs past the lip and onto the tub deck. So,.. does one skimcoat with thinset AFTER redgard or skimcoat the drywall first with 'hot mud' and then take the chance that the redgard adheres properly to the drywall mud?
Cheers,
Get the walls flat before applying Redgard.
As for my shower, it held up great. The only thing I’d do different is NOT use natural marble. Too hard to keep clean because you can’t use bleach based cleaners. I’d choose a ceramic tile that looks like marble.
@@handydadtv Ok, that's great! Glad to hear that things worked out.
Thanks for the info.. I was a bit worried about the Redgard not sticking to the bigger drywall spots that I have to 'level / skim' out.. It appears that people who have issues, tend to have adhesion problems when trying to cover up regular drywall mud or 'finishing mud' as it's too powdery and not hard enough of a substrate for the Redgard.
I never heard that. Good to know.
No fiber glass mesh with the red guard? Should be ok I guess. But a lot of guys say to use it
Redgard is a crack-prevention membrane. No need for joint tape too.
I’m about to use green board in my shower. Is it holding up ok?
Perfectly. Just be sure to waterproof it with Redgard or a similar product.
Hey do you use a moisture barrier before you install green board?
No. Just Redgard on top.
Moisture barrier
+ Redgard
= moisture sammitch
Does RedGuard need good ventilation or is it more like latex paint?
It doesn’t smell bad, but they say to open a window when applying.
Lovely job but you might have wanted the red guard to go all the way to the ceiling heat, steam, and moisture rise creating condensation on the ceiling. Maybe not but "maybe".
I've never seen STEAM or condensate penetrate through grout in ceiling tiles and create an issue so therefore this application is perfectly fine. Just make sure to have a decent bath fan and you're good to go.
Are you using non modified thin set? Or modified
I used white modified thinset that is approved for tile.
I've heard that red guard doesn't stick to drywall compound. Looks like you have drywall compound on your screw holes and corners. Any trouble with the red guard and the compound?
No trouble at all
@@handydadtv thanks. that's good to know. great job on the bathroom, btw!
Thanks 😊
PVC Liner then redgard?
The liner is the last resort
I follow star all so
Why did you use durarock on the curb and not on the inside walls of the shower I believe you will have a problem with adhesion of tile and mold down the road.
Well... you don't stand on the walls. The curb takes weight. Tile adheres to sheetrock just fine.
Just wondering how durable red guard is? I ask specifically for tile. When troweling on tile will it withstand the trowel swipe? Also how does the tile mud adhere to it? Would we require a different tile mud because of the non porous surface?
It’s extremely durable when dry. You’d need to cut it with a knife.
Great videos man , keep em coming . I just started my bathroom , was under the impression I could just mud the joints in the shower with no tape and red guard over them believing the red guard would do the job , do you think I should fix this before I continue?
Ask Bob Doyle from StarrTile. He’s the expert.
Have you had any issues
No issues at all, but I wouldn’t use natural marble ever again. Too hard to clean because you can’t use bleach.
Why use drywall compound on the ways of you are using redgiard
Joint compound is needed to create a solid surface for the Redgard.
@@handydadtv ok thanks
What did u seal the niche corners with
Four coats of Redgard.
@@handydadtv ok I thought maybe u caulked it I was gonna try using concrete caulk
Sorry yes I caulked first
Thanks did the same yesterday looking good so far
Red gaurd today shower tonight
I wouldn’t have put it on the floor. The water can’t drain if it gets under the tile then. You block it from working its ways through the mortar slope bed into the shower pan where it can then travel the pre slope into the weep holes. By redgarding below the tile, you are basically screwed if it leaks through the tile. Bad mistake.
Definitely get mixed opinions on that, but I followed the advice of a trusted pro. I’ll do a follow-up in 10 years if it becomes an issue.
Don't you need a building permit from the municipality where you live to do a "gut" bathroom renovation?
Yes, I had permits and passed all inspections.
@@handydadtv In one of the videos, I noticed that you were wearing a Rutgers T Shirt. Are you a Rutgers alumnus like me?
I wouldn't use drywall for the shower walls. As said it should be ok but with many days of work and likely thousands of dollars invested in the bathroom remodel, the slight increase in cost for Hardi board and it being fine in water makes more sense to me.
Drywall is plenty strong enough, cheaper, and much easier to work with. But I respect your decision to use Hardi or Durock or Wedi or Schluter or whatever you want.
After 6 months u still in shower room s lot labor involved in a small.room but many people don't understand why bathroom are super expensive to build
Drywall mud and tape is a no no for wet areas.
Redgard keeps it dry. No issue.
Can you do a 1 year update to show the world if Bob's method failed or not. And then 5 year :)
I can do that, but the haters will still say it’s wrong.
@@handydadtv I know. But would be nice
@@apex007it is now 6 years later and I'm sure it is still holding up as do all of mine, my shower Builds on three of my own houses, one I lived in 12 years.
Going into my 25th year of doing this without one single call back or failure 😂
Wrong mesh tape for Durock
who cares it's on the floor OUTSIDE the shower and being covered by thinset.... lol
Darren R the problem is the mesh will be destroyed by the alkaline properties of the cement board and the thinset that tops it. Should have been alkali resistant. On any tile floor application.
Need more screws, should be at 8" on centers on center and 6" on center on the perimeter they should be 6" on center. Blue rock is not recommended for tile anymore.
Good things its green
Wrong tape but it looks good
He wore a mask when using a rotozip router cutting sheetrock, but no mask when using a grinder on concrete board? Hmm ......my lungs will be fine!!😆
I’m consistently inconsistent
Mostly good job, but don’t use fiberglass tape on fiber cement board- use alkali resistant tape.
Please, for God sake, if you are going make videos of tile shower installation for 100,000+ people, edit this video and insert any cement board inside of the shower, not green board. Do not ever put drywall inside of a shower. I don't care what color it is
I totally agree
Green board is fine as long as you waterproof it lol.
@@darrenr1194 your comment is very telling about your experience in the field. I highly doubt/hope you don't do that for a living. THIS IS CZcams! If you think you can watch a 20 minute video on the trade and you are good to go, then you truly deserve the results you will inevitably incur. If he would have done this in a correct fashion and used a shower system such as Ditra or durock, then it might've passed. But those systems have a great amount of flaws themselves. Tile installation is possibly the most most miticulous and ever changing trades out there. You need to know so many things about other trades to be an expert.
You CANNOT simply red guard a drywall product and tell everyone it is ok like this video. The fact that there are so many people putting out ridiculous videos like this (his Starr Tile reference included) is what is making those who have gone through the process cringe at the lack of knowledge and appreciation for the trade.
Hopefully you had a typo. You should be able to refer to the major tile standard industries for code/methods/standards and not watch a CZcams video thinking you know what you speak of. There are home owners that look at things like this. It's absurd this is allowed
@@coreylawler4034 Once you waterproof the drywall it's fine. Once you water proof cement board it's fine. What's the issue here? Just because you don't agree with innovation and technology that doesn't mean it's wrong. Back in the day where there was no waterproofing guys would slap tiles on with mastic on regular half in drywall and to this day most are still perfect with no mold growth.... Anyways to each their own.
I agree. Cement board is porous just like drywall - either one would need to be waterproofed.
You did a good job but honestly its all wrong.startile does say no matter what you use your going to redguard anyway but hes wrong about that that just makes a softer wall custom requires you to use wonderboard or durarock and a liner underneath is not required at all because redguard is a whole other ball game people need to study and tile contractors aswell before they say they know im going to put a link down and i hope everyone realizes how its suppose to be done but like i said good job but like i said star tiles method for the floor is an old method and redguard has thier instructions how your suppose to do it.and i am a contractor in texas and take every step crutial.👍
My previous bathroom lasted 50 years with tile adhered to standard 3/8” drywall. No waterproofing at all. This shower will last far longer than that. So I’m good with Starr Tile’s method.
Dry wall screws on a dam is a big NO NO!!
Yep no holes anywhere lower than the top of the curb
You do know redguard does require a certain thickness??
Great rule of thumb.
If you can still see mud or writing on the wall it’s not thick enough.
I can’t even tell you how many I have repaired due to this factor.
If Redguard only needed a thin coat it would come in a spray can. Lol
The directions say to apply two coats; I did three.
My old shower lasted almost 50 years with tile directly on 3/8” drywall. No waterproofing.
Even if you say it’s not thick enough, it’s thicker than nothing.
That shower will leak
I disagree
Wtf u mean no way to clean the roller ahahahah try water lol red guard is water based water clean up
I wouldn’t waste my time
Cement board is better
Don't just say something just to say it, tell us all how cement board would be better, how is it that we would have a better shower using cement board, I'm dying to know your answer because I know whatever you say will be 100% incorrect
Too much is bad