DIY Porsche 911 lowering springs in less than 2 hours! (991 and 992.2)
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2022
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Products and tools used in this video:
1. Lowering Springs for 991.2: bit.ly/3u4r3zA
2. Offset wrench set (for back strut): geni.us/6ADRo
3. T55 Torx (for rear shock): geni.us/jMLjGxK
4. 27mm (for rear shock): geni.us/fZZ2xHP
5. Spring compressor: geni.us/7A3JjYd
6. Strut nut socket set: geni.us/MAot
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2. Esco Stands: geni.us/ws7q8Q
3. Impact Gun: geni.us/Kxc7wk
4. Angled Impact Gun: geni.us/xCno
4. Torque Wrench: geni.us/zbreHdN
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Just used this video to change springs on a 992 and here to report that there are very few changes with the new generation. A couple of rear suspension bolts are different sizes and that's it. Thanks for a super useful and informative video!
Glad it helped!!!
can you say whether or not the from structs also had a snap ring adjustment for the perch?
Did your 992 have rear axle steering option? Did that add anymore steps to this process?
@@farissou9384 No RAS on my car :)
@@55onesean38 oh man, I’m doing my drop tonight. I hope it isn’t too different then. Haha
I'm not a Porsche owner (yet) but I'm binge watching your channel. You're very good on camera and explaining stuff. I wish you the best of luck!
I appreciate that! This means a lot. Good luck with your car search!
Just wanted to say thank you, watched your video twice and tackled my H&R springs, everything went as planned and got them done in 3 hours, rears are a pita to line up. lol the second front spring took me literally 20 minutes! Awesome
So happy to hear!!!! Which springs did you go with ?
Been following you since the M3 days, I don't own a 911 but your videos are so clear and easy to follow that it just made me want to go and install springs on my car after watching hahaa
Thanks!! And do it! It’s super easy :)
Wow, you work like a well practised mechanic, amazing video - thank you
Thank you. This means a lot!
Tommy looks amazing! Perfect stance and all 💯
Thanks! I love it too
Great video! I too just bought a T, and I’m in love with it. Just took it for a rip up Angeles Crest to Mt. Wilson. Amazing car even in stock trim. The T really shows how capable a base Carrera is with a few mods (sport suspension, GT4 shifter, GT3 mechanical LSD) and what a wonderful job Porsche did with the 991. I’ve owned and driven a lot of wonderful and fast cars over the years, and how capable this one is yet easy to drive around town amazes me all the time regardless of what I’m doing with it. I was already a subscriber before you got the T and I am really stoked you also got it right at the same time as I got mine so I’ll get to learn the car and watch you experience the same. Thanks for the content, I’m really looking forward to what ever you do next. Think about joining PCA or some other group for a track day 😊 !
Congrats on the T!! Glad to see others appreciate these cars for what they are. And they’ll depreciate the least :)
What’s the name of the alignment shop you went to
Massive props for wrenching your own Porsche
Thanks!
Another informative video Tommy. Great job! I can't even imagine how much the dealer charges for a 10hr labor and you did it in 2hr. Luckily it's not the summer, I couldn't imagine doing this in the hot summer in the garage.
The garage actually stays quite cool! :)
Need help 991.2 convertible back is different on convertible can’t get to rear strut front is done little over an hr looks great
Od ciebie wyglada bardzo latwe! For new guys using spring compressors always remember to keep both ends pointing away from you because they are sometimes known to give out and that much compressed energy can be fatal if not handled carefully.
Dzięki! Trzeba uwarzać!
Holy moly that looks easy!
Holy moly he’s back!!!
That technique of removing the front springs! Genius! Amazing stuff! (never would have thought of that!) So every time I lower a car it ends up rubbing on the rear tires, especially when I have passengers in the back seats. You'll have to do a quick video about that. (the ride quality, rubbing, etc..) Keep up the great work!
Thanks. Will do!
So far with 2 kids in the back and wifey in the front - no rubbing
Right?! I have done many spring changes and always completely removed the front struts. I'm an idiot, haha.
Another great vid! -Mike
Thanks Mike! Cats video out next week
Great video Tommy
Thanks!
Perfect drop. Btw what product do you use to clean the interior?
Great video!
Thanks!
can you do a review of the quickjack, please.
Nice, thanks for the video, looks straight forward. You probably want to tighten the suspension arm bolts at ride height to keep the bushing geometry unstressed. :-)
Good call
nice skateboard collection..
Great video. Thanks. Love the front end shortcut. I am doing mine now, 991.1S, using Eibach springs. Just got the back end done and can't wait to try out your shortcut. One question though, shouldn't you only tighten the control arms with the wheels at normal height (i.e. not hanging) so you don't stress out the bushings? Thanks again for the great video.
Good thought on the control arms. I was told not to worry about it since that is how the tech does it.
@TommylGarage, are there any tighten number for the struts nuts and spring on the towers? also when putting the new spring on the front how much to do you have push on the jack to compress the spring before tightening the nuts?
Great instructions video! Wonder if I can use the same method for my 996 especially for the front?
Yes should be the same !
Tommy, great videos, your installs are top notch for DIY guys with a little skill, thank you. Curious of what you think of the ride on these H&R springs, and if your happy with them? Also, if you were going to do it again are you happy with lowering springs or would you go full coil-overs? I’m trying to decide if I just want to lower a 997 with PASM, or if it’s worth the money for coil overs. Thanks again
Super happy with my setup. Zero issues whatsoever !!
Great videos!! Can I get the torque specs for this job? I’m going to do it!!
Did you have any issues with the PDLS. Every once in a while I get an error light (pdls warning light) on the dash. It usually resets after the car is off.
Nice content, cool trick for the front springs. Wouldn’t the bolts be one time use though, and did you use the correct torque values when putting things back together again?
Correct torque specs yes. I just didn’t film it.
And I reused the bolts. They’re not one time use.
The Tire Rack hanging on the wall where did you get that? Thanks...
Hi Tommy: Did you have to get the front camber done again? I am getting ready to do mine. Also, the manuals called for replacement of some of the hardware. Oh, I am going with thicker sway bars. Thank you!
Your T look amazing Tommy, props. When you jacked the 911 down and took the first look to the car, your reaction was real. Does it feel stiffer now? How about ride confort?
It rides absolutely the same as before. But looks so much better. And you’re right it was my real reaction. Thanks for watching!
Good Jop bro.... Thank you so much .. 😁
No problem 👍
Nice job, where can I find the torque specs?
Lets GO!!!!!! DIY
Easy!
This is so much easier - compared to 996/997 turbo! :) you need to remove crap from rear/interior rear is not bad but front you need to remove axles :)
Nice you went with H&Rs , I did lower my GTR on H&Rs as well. same as my M4 was- h&R is way to go for z German cars.
Don't you have to put some miles before you hit an alignment ??
I actually did Eibach. I linked H&R since they’re the only ones in stock now
Amazing video as per usual. You still own the M3?
Thanks! Fleet update soon
Just bought a 991.1 that I plan on lowering with some H&R springs. What size spacers did you buy from front and back? I'm also getting a lot of mixed signals about spacers altering the drivability and feel of the front end. Can you provide your experience with them? Thanks.
Great vid! Love the carrera T in yellow. But damn, this is not a 2 hour job for your average Joe haha.
What's the c-clamp for on the rear shocks? Can you just move that down all the way the with stock springs and get a similar drop?
Actually yes you can lower it on stock springs. Unfortunately front is not adjustable
Why you lower the c clamp at the rear? Do you have to do it or is just compulsory? I’m doing my springs and I don’t want to go crazy low. If I leave the c clamp in the original position will I achieve anyways a drop?
Im not sure if the .2 is different than the .1 but i had a HELL of a time putting the rears in. Simply lifting that top arm was NOT an option for whatever reason. The brake line and ABS wire were in the way. I did every step you did and it took me 5 hours. Mind you, i have installed suspension on tons of cars over the last decade... This was insane haha. Still got it done, but oh man was that a painful experience.
Sorry to hear that but at least you got it done!!!
@@TommyLGarage Yep! Its mostly because the arms were still under tension from the subframe mounting locations. SO even with a helping hand, it was a PITA haha. First time tho and i know i could do it faster again
There were a lot of nuts you removed. Perhaps 10 different sizes. First question is where did you find the correct torque specs? Second question is... I noticed in the video you said 19mm strut socket when you were working on the rear (with 9mm or 11/32" wrench for the nut) and 21mm strut socket for the front (with 10mm wrench for nut). Did I understand that correctly? The front and rear struts have different sized nuts & require different sockets & wrenches?
Hello.
1. Torque specs can be found online. I found a few different versions so didn’t want to post one versus the other. You need to determine it yourself.
2. And yes front and rear strut nuts and bolts are sized differently. That’s why it’s best to get a full strut nut kit.
Hi, Tommy - What's the purpose of disconnecting the battery terminals? And do you connect the car to a trickle charger or battery tender during the process?
It’s to not throw any codes. You reconnect after install.
Are you going with the sto n sho front plate? And are you going to just hang it low or will you auger out the black front spoiler to accomodate. ThNks for all your videos!!!!!
No plate for me. Will risk it :)
What spacers you end up using?
Hey Tommy. Love your videos!
I rented a cayman T from Porsche and absolutely loved it. Looking to get that after my c43 lease is done. Or should I get the Cayman GTS 4.0.
OR… do I wait and get the 992 911T???
Thanks 🙏
Cayman gts 4.0 hands down!
Ask other people what car you should buy and they tell you what car is best for them. If you want the best car for you then you have to decide what you want/need and consider options. You don’t even say what you’ll use the car for, and these are different cars at different prices. “What car should I buy?” Get a Ferrari F40, those are decent.
@@joeracer302 looking for 80% street and 20%track. Asking about price is pointless as I live in Canada...different prices here. I am not a Ferrari person and I mentioned my choices between Cayman T, GTS 4.0, or the 992 Carrerra T
GTS 4.0! Other than articles with porsche exec claiming it was coming, nothing announced yet. If anything if it comes out it’ll be sometime at end of 992.2, like the 991.2 T. Why wait get the GTS 4.0.
You make this look so easy. Do you recommend two people do this if resources are available?
Thanks. One person is plenty.
Hi, Great Video
I have a 2016 Turbo S Cabriolet
Is my car as easy as yours?
Also, If I have a shop do it, what should the time for labor?
Thx
It should be very similar. Rear will be a bit more involved
Great video! Do you know if this process will be the same on a 992 with rear axel steering?
It will be very similar yes
Love your dad jokes 😂
Haha thanks
They’re just jokes!
Awesome vid - any reason you did just springs and not pistons as well? I mean springs only at $350 vs $3000 for the bilstein is certainly cost effective. Also e min? No. 17 A flat Maj maybe?
I wanted OEM dampers to keep the pleasant ride quality.
i saw a similar level sensor like the one used in air suspension. Is it possible to use adjustable level sensors to fake shorter levels to lower it automatically? Not sure if it work the same way like the air suspension
No it won’t work. These Leveling sensors are for headlight aim only
Nice
Thanks!
Thx for "simplified" this modification. But what about the electronic calibrations for the suspension? You have the PASM, no errors messages? No strange reaction in curve on track? Or It was just for the look and you pay no attention for the Porsche ingenieur work? Thx for the video.
No calibration is needed. It’s that simple!
Makes me want to drop my 991.1 now! What springs did you use?
How did the ride quality change?
I sail over speed bumps with no worries of scraping, I’ve been in the lowered game before, did you run into any scraping issues?
Thanks for the awesome walkthrough!
I went with Eibach. No noticeable comfort difference. It’s a no brainer !
@@TommyLGarage thanks Tommy. Hey, I have a manual, do you find the throttle response even in sports mode just isn’t as responsive as you’d like? I’ve been thinking of adding one of those pedal response mods, like Race Chip XLR5. Wondering if you’ve had any experience with this mod?
Good video- how did you torque up all the control arms? I believe you need to load the bushings before torquing up the control arms. If you don’t, the bushing will fail shortly after.
Also, do you torque up the strut nuts with the springs compressed?
Yes strut nuts need to be tightened with the spring compressed
With the quick jack you could do this pretty easy by putting something under the wheels, loading them up and sliding under the car to torque them. Do you have to do this?
When i do that job I dont undo the front top mount nuts cause that loses the alignment, i remove the strut after removing the shaft nut. BTW, no fender covers nor safety glasses?
Good call on the safety glasses.
No fender covers needed - I have ppf
Hi. do you recommend lowering the tyre pressures also after the drop? I've lowered my suspension with HnR springs by 35mm but wondering to slightly reduce pressures?
How the ride affected?
You shouldn't have to change tire pressures - the load of the car has not changed.
Doesn’t doing it in the front Like that mess up your alignment? Just curious Im honestly wondering?
Yes. I took it to an alignment shop the next day. The top only adjusts camber
Job well done, just curious, what is your day time job?
Thanks! I’m a transponster
@@TommyLGarageTommy "Bing" 😂
Wow. That thin C clamp is all that's supporting the weight of the car?
Yes but the way it’s designed it will never fail.
@@TommyLGarage Interesting. It just looks like such a small ring of metal supporting the springs. I'd love to know more.
I’ve heard some say don’t move the c clip and others to move it. When I do mine I’ll do like you did I think or they sit high at the rear
Without moving the rear will sit too high. You MUST move it
@@TommyLGarageoh ok yes I heard they sit high if not moved. I guess the same on my turbo s
Do you have any spacers on the wheels? What are your wheels specs?
Oem carrera wheels. 5 mm spacer. I am selling same wheels in silver. Email me at got6speed @ gmail . com
Hello mate GJ! carrera S will be the same?
Yes the same!
So this c-clip in the rear strut is actually can change ride height without changing a spring
That’s right! But only in the rear
So you dropped both with the C-clip and -25mm with the springs? What is the total diffrence with the stock setup?@@TommyLGarage
How would you compare the ride?
Not much different. But looks a lot better
What is the stand that you have in the back?
What do you mean?
Nice video, but those instructions do not wrok on 991.1 911, wheel carrier stay higher than Strut unable to place strut in ritgh place.
and if I am wrong it would have been nice to show the installation as well to how strut was place back.
I will redo the install
Good video but I’ll be the 50th guy to mention that the car has to roll at least and settle further to show the real drop. Looks correct now. Impressions of the H&R spring road feel and stiffness plz.
Duh.
Actually there are Eibach springs. I linked H&R since eibach is not available at this time
Great video. About to do it how. Did you just disconnect the negative terminal? Did it throw any codes when your reconnected? Thanks.
Yes just disconnect negative terminal. Won’t affect anything.
@@TommyLGarage thanks. I started the job yesterday. I’ve done many suspensions in the past, never on a Porsche though. On the rear alone it took me about 2.5-3 hours. Granted having the right tools makes a huge difference and I don’t have an electric 90° ratchet which would have been nice for the rear top nuts. 🥵
@@agcrxturbo9577 but at least you’re learning about the car!!!
@@TommyLGarage this is true. Thanks to this video, I mustered up the courage to rip into it. Now to finish the front which should be “easier”. Great content. 👍🏽
@@TommyLGarage so just finished the Install and you were right, I was “shocked” at how easy the front were. Doing this job myself saved me anywhere from $1500-$2500 to install. Thank you for this video! 🙏🏽❤️👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Can you install my springs 06 Cayman
I can recommend a shop
What model quick jack do you have?
The 5 ton one
Been thinking about doing this but hate to ruin the great factory suspension and ride quality.
I’m happy to say that the ride quality has not changed.
@@TommyLGarage That's good to know Tommy. Great video by the way. Would the fronts be the same process for a 2012 991.1 C2S with PASM?
@@Foxtrot1967 yes same thing.
I’m
Getting quotes on my 991.2 turbo s to fit my eibach springs. With geo. Costs range from £1100 to £1900. Owch
DIY maybe ?
I have a 992 with front lift system which I never have to use because the car is not that love originally to begin with.. but if I lowered my car it would be the best of both words. Will I be still able to use the lift system after this upgrade? Does it any way destruct the drive quality on bumpy city roads? Thanks for all your effort you put into this.
Ride quality remains the same. Zero regrets
@@TommyLGarage thanks. Will I be able to use the lift system still?
@@peterkapusi5882 most definitely
@@TommyLGarage Thanks! What lowering springs and gauge widening would you use on a 992 carrera s cabrio for perfect fit?
@@peterkapusi5882 I would stick with Eibach
Are running with 19” wheels?
No. 20 inch
What size spacers you have on it front and back?
7 rear
10 front
@@TommyLGaragethanks a million! If you have a recommendation where to get them from it’s much appreciated
Great video but my car is 911 turbo S convertible 991.2 front springs 1 1:2 hr back can’t get to top strut any idea!! different than coupe in back Help!! Can’t find any video
What do you see up top?
@@TommyLGarage hi Tom , on convertible car 911 turbo S 991.2 have to see how the back Panals comes out behind the seats has factory roll bar intergraded into back Panals see if I can get room to access top of strut bolts
@@TommyLGarage took out back drain tray but can’t fold back window convertible forward enough to get access tried top in different positions
@@TommyLGarage thanks for answering back
@@salcialdella9008 I will check
What’s the brand of springs ?
Eibach
@@TommyLGarage do you still have them on your car and what are your thoughts after several miles?
No no no Tommy...gotta do coilovers! Poor man's lowering method w springs. Sorry I speak from experience twice doing springs. Never again. KW coilovers baby 🤙
Actually the oem dampers are amazing. No need to mess with perfection
2 hours by corner!
Obviously not.
deeeeez nutz lol
Soak them up!!!
The ride on the 911 was just toooo plush... seek help Tommy!
I blame Heidi and Franny!
why not just buy a gts?
Why not a GT3?
Great video, but let’s be honest this Porsche owner are not about that life of working on a six figure car themselves lol.
You’d be surprised how many people actually do
@@TommyLGarage Nice!
All these cut scenes. So misleading! Very few DIY-ers have those tools. It’s clearly taken 2 hrs for one corner. We charge 2.5 hrs per corner. That includes the NECESSARY alignment after the install. I don’t see an alignment rack in your garage?
If you charge 2.5 hours per corner you need to find another profession. Front literally takes 15 minus each side minutes alignment.
Don’t believe this man’s lies “two hours” there’s no way, hours of struggle were cut out of this video, notice how the garage is closed so you can’t see the daylight disappearing. Replacing the whole system takes 6 hours minimum and that’s with good tools. Also there is a necessary alignment that has to be done afterwards which adds another few hours to the job. Overall expect 8 to 10 hours spent doing this to completion.
Stop spreading false rumors to justify overcharging your customers. Front is 15 minutes per side. Rear maybe 20. I showed every single step, which there are few. Alignment is of course on top, but I don’t have an alignment machine. If a shop ever quotes me 10 hours for this I’d ignore everything they told me before or after, since obviously they have no idea what they’re talking about.
@@TommyLGarage what customers, I’ve utilized a shops lift to do this myself. I have specialty tools and I’ve been working on cars for a while and I’m very familiar with the 991.1 and .2. You cut out a lot of the moving and torquing and navigating and pushing and pulling in order to get those struts out of the car. Also those bolts in the rear are single use and if not the bolt, the nut. Overall it takes about and hour to an hour thirty to get a rear apart and back together, and the fronts aren’t much different. On top of that you’ll need an alignment which can take anywhere from two to four hours. So 8 hours for the whole job is totally acceptable.
No no no Tommy. B that's a ghetto way to let your car. KW coilovers. 10 times better in every way for an extra 2K.
Rides very well with springs and oem dampers