Should controversial Spain coach Jorge Vilda leave despite World Cup win? ‘WALK AWAY!’ | ESPN FC
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- ESPN FC’s Gab Marcotti and Julien Laurens take an in-depth look at Spain’s coaching situation despite their 1-0 win vs. England in the Women’s World Cup final.
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These guys talking about Spain but they don’t even know which players stayed lol
Haha, I was expecting them to mention Patri
@@MultiY4I think that if they mention Patri Guijarro as soon as they start, the one with the Valencia CF shirt does it
9 out 11 starters are Barcelona players! They already have that style of play and the Spanish coach didn’t create that.
Spain as a national team for both men and women has adopted this style of play for almost 20 years, with greater and lesser success, greater or lesser success, but since Luis Aragonés who introduced football from the school of Johan Cruyff and Rinus Michel, All the categories of the Spanish national team have this philosophy of play, and if Barcelona contributes more players, this style of play becomes easier basically because Barcelona has been used to playing this type of football for almost 40 years, always keeping in mind account the passage of time and the evolution that the sport itself is having. In addition, it can be said that normally the best players that Spain takes out are usually midfielders where Spain has great players and that they export to other leagues in Europe. So the best thing a coach can do is to know his players and have all the tactical means available so that they can develop their best game and in this Vilda has done very well.
@@mazdakmina9493Ona never played for Barca, she just signed for them. Laia played for AC Milian until a few months ago. Sit down please. And Vilda was 100% correct in his tactics and substitutions. Haters are having a hard time and I love it. In the last two major tournaments before this one, Spain was knocked out by eventual winners (2019-WC, USA/ 2021 Euro host nation England). Never forget Mapi Leon horrible defence that helped England score the winner. In both games Spain played well. … Checking the team’s social media, cutting negativity agents from the squad helped a lot.
@@HusseinDoha As someone who has followed this team for several years, I must tell you It's better to keep quiet when you don't know what you're talking about.You're only spreading misinformation.
Ona played for Barça's B team for three years, and she has talked extensively in interviews about how she adopted their style of play, as well as her experience with later combining it with Manchester United's style (and becoming an even better player as a result). As for Laia Codina, she has been involved with Barça since 2014 (and still plays for them); she simply signed a one year loan deal with A.C. Milan in 2021.
Anyone who has followed this team for longer than a week is well aware of all this. Your flawed assumptions can't simply make you an expert in a couple of days.
Even if you disregard everything I just said, Vilda's "tactics" and clear lack of experience has been a source of controversy among followers of the sport for many years now.
Stop Minimising the Players concerns. That kiss was assault.
Don't hold back. It was rape/attempted murder.
The kiss seems to have been consensual.
@@campnou69 she said she did not like the kiss but accepts it was heat of the moment and driven out of excitement. It was totally inappropriate he should not have done that she is a champion and he decided to give her the tootsie treatment. Seeing his behavior that night he's the type: Machoism.
@@Geokinkladze😂😂😂 when the mental mob get going reality takes a back seat.
Napolean witnessed the mob first hand on a few occasions around 1793 and was shocked by their propensity towards violence and inhumanity towards their fellow man. He was always wary of the mob and their thirst for blood.
The mental mob live on line these days and they prey on anything that can be taken out of context.
That kiss was a disgrace.
And no body in Europe is gonna talk about it. That is one heck of a selective reprimand when it comes for Asian football. If the act had been done by any coach in Qatari or Saudi league, the barrage of bombardment would definitely have take place within seconds, twitter warriors would have screaming for women rights and hard hitting slams against sexual abuse. But here it is absolutely fine to abuse the players even in broad day spectrum of light without even getting reprimanded by FIFA and football pundits on ESPN. This measuring yardstick in Europe is amazing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Criminal Silence on grave issues has become a routine now ! Wake up and talk about sexual atrocities if committed anywhere.
@@Hamzah4U be quite arab bot.
Athenea del Castillo was injured also, she is probably one of the best Real Madrid players and hardly did not play.
I wish Rubiales would leave, he is an embarrassment and it has been terrible how the anglo press has treated Vilda talking of "abuse". But I wish Vilda does leave and there is a new start, although on the other hand the Spanish Federation has been very successful U17 & U20 world cups... .
Why should Vilda leave? He achieved his target of winning a trophy and stood up against the trouble makers in the dressing room led by Mapi Leon who wanted to be in charge instead of him. This is the reason why they won the World Cup, they got rid of the rot that was causing damage in the dressing room.
I didnt´know that del Castillo was injured...I wondered why he only gave her a couple of minutes in the group stage. She would have been a better option as right winger. She has got great dribbling skills which she showed in last year´s euro.
About the kiss of the president: I really was so irritated...this would prove again that the federation, president, coach have no boundaries and there is some truth about the inconveniences why Mapi Leon and others were missing.
Thank you for sharing your insight. Yes end product is important. Caldentey did very good indeed. But the right winger from Levante besides her 3 goals in group stage, she missed a lot of opportunities and I would have at least brought Athenea on in the second half for her.@@j.k.3176
@plusultra6199 no, the players left out brought professionalism and seriousness to the Spanish international women's team. Some of their requests had to be taken on board yet they were patronized and insulted. Because the Spanish football authorities and their supporters are backwards who did not see professional footballers but girls playing at football.
Vilde got lucky because the players at last worked it out for themselves (the Barcelona influence). The celebrations should tell you that. He failed miserably at the previous 3 tournaments. Luckily for him his dad is....
Not one major Spanish football team, male or female, would consider him as a manager.
Jorge Vida should leave knowing he made history and watch spain crumbling then he build up another team
That was sexual harassment.
The gift that barcelona keeps on giving to spain is incredible. Just play their team and watch from the stands.
Take the late former national coach Luis Arragones as a very good example by leaving the team in a very high peak of success after winning the Euro 2008 with Spain Ken's.
He was too old he was about to die
Luis Aragonés was treated very badly by the press because he did not call up Raúl, the Real Madrid player and we already know how much of a fan of Real Madrid the press is in Spain. Luis Aragonés decided to leave the national team just before the start of the 2008 Euro Cup because it was very difficult to continue, and Luis was a man of great character, winning the 2008 Euro Cup was not going to make him change his decision
You're missing one important piece of the puzzle there...Luis Aragones left because the FA had already hired Del Bosque as his replacement BEFORE the Eurocup. This with the hope of Luis' pride making him quit and hence satisfy the press and fandom that was pressing him as he took Raul out (among others). Luckily he stayed, won, left and started the cycle we all know.
That was the reason why the Federation thought of Vicente del Bosque. When someone from the press or from a certain circle doesn't want a coach, what they do is put pressure on them, throw people off their rope over the team, and create a stifling atmosphere, unbearable for any team, in this way the Federation looks forced to have to look for a replacement that is more to the liking of some specific ones and thus be able to reduce the pressure on the national team and thus allow the team to work in good conditions. It is not necessary to go back to 2006 or 2007, recently we have another case with Luis Enrique, to whom something very similar has been done. And this is something that also happens in football clubs. Luis Aragones went for not summoning Raúl, the Real Madrid player, and Luis Enrique's for being from FC Barcelona and not sympathizing with Real Madrid due to the rivalry that exists between the two clubs.
I don’t think he’s that important. Spain seems to have a lot of excellent players and a successful style of play. They deserved to win on the day.
🏴🇪🇸 well done Spain
and if he loses then it is his fault lol, your comment make no sence. i have seen many headcoach who got a perfect team and fucked up.
and i have seen head coach with a fucked team win games.
he is importante.
Wow!!! That's cold.
He’s important!! The 12 mutineers are the one who are not important
@@HusseinDoha absolutely 💯. I thought they played really well without them.
I'm not sure you're aware what a football president does? That's like saying the CEO doesn't matter because the employees do all the work.
Either Fran Alonso, Eva Olid or Jonatan Giráldez should be the Spain National Team Manager going forward. Vilda needs to go and Spanish FA needs reforming.
I think if we are to credit any football institution, Barcelona Women's FC played a more impactful role in developing that winning team than the Spanish FF.
kick them both out
Well they did it, they fired him. Hope the people who blew this out of proportion are proud of themselves!
8:16 says it all.
Yes a Spanish dynasty for women's football is definitely in their future. Their style of play is so exciting to watch because they've perfected the triangular passing ball control.
Yes football is about skills first, they have defined how the womens modern game is to be played
Japanese women perfected tiki taka in 2011
@@theloniousm4337 No they didnt, do you know anything about football? I guess not. Tiki taka is a pep quardiola football philosphy introduced when he started coaching barca B. Spain are the most technical team in europe with exception of brazil.
People are saying its a cultural thing... and I'm like wow. Its ok to do this to Spanish women athletes especially if they don't even know each other. He is getting a backlash world wide because its hamulating, this woman is a champion and you just treated her like a tootsie and he does not even see it....that is some machoism.
@@My2CentsYall Yes at the initial incident, I too was saying it was a cultural thing, and no reason for him to be fired. But in the aftermath since he's been unable to keep his mouth shut and only spews stupid sexist comments, he definitely needs to go, and maybe not just him, I mean the team boycotted the organization prior to going to the world cup, so maybe there's more than one skunk stinking up the room.
To be fair Vilda did a couple of tough decisions like benching the two times Ballon D'Or Alexia and change the keeper in the second game and stayed with her until the final when Cata did an excelent job.
The dude did a fabulous job in this World Cup,. Alexia suck in this world cup.
@@tuanngntAlexia has not yet recovered from the serious knee injury, it is normal in this type of injury for a player to take time to get in shape, especially mentally, surely when the fear is removed from his head he will be Alexia again always.
@@tuanngntAlexia wasn’t even fit so stfu
Vilda is a joke.
These guys don't know that 14 of the 15 girls didn't go to the WC 😅
um.....you are wrong buddy.
@@MrTechroundup i speak Spanish and i live in Spain.....trust me they didn´t go.....
@@dregen8662 bro, are u high. what does living in spain has to do with anything. literally 3 players were on the field.
@@MrTechroundup only Aitana , who are the other 2 ?
@@dregen8662 Mariona Caldentey, Aitana Bonmatí, and Ona Batlle. I dont live in Spain btw.
Gareth Southgate will win Euro 2024 with England, denying Sarina Wiegman for becoming a successor.
Imagine this happened afterwards 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He will be offered Head Coaching jobs in a variety of places.
Don't be surprised if he ends up coaching a big professional mens club.
hope so her deserves an upgrade
My opinion and I know people won't agree , but if you watch him , I think he has a pretty playful and close relationship with those girls. Different cultures are very expressive and affectionate. I know today's views have changed alot and I'm not condoning sexual assault or anything , please don't get me wrong, I'm saying I come from a Italian/ French / Greek background and everybody is affectionate and playful and expressive but nothing inappropriate was ever done. As a kid growing up I loved my uncles and family wrestling and playing and hugging me and the 20 minute tour around the room to say goodbye and be safe. Lots of hugging and kissing and we were all loud and nobody got offended. Believe me if anyone would have been inappropriate they would have has the whole family to deal with. Sometimes a kiss is a kiss and nothing more than affection and a expression of caring. Watch how he interacts with them , I think it was a cultural thing and I think it's been blown up because of the way times have changed. Things that were never offensive before everyone gets their panties in a bunch over now. Again I don't condone inappropriate behavior, but now aday you are afraid to do anything because you might offend someone.
Looks like Spain national teams need bigay ole managers in order to win titles. Arragones was also in almost the same situation as Vilda. Also big Star players who needs them!
So, that manager isn't replacing Southgate anymore?😔
Wigan Athletic are hiring 🥴
If England wasn't a cesspool of media nonsense and having trouble producing good coaches then why not? The poor woman is gonna be attacked publicly in the media for every decision she makes and unless she wins everything, will be a lightning rod for stupid people to attack women.
If she is the best candidate then yes. But she cannot be given special treatment if not it will make a section of the supporters toxic and divide the fanbase even more. See what happened with the USWNT. The normal treatment of English coaches is pretty horrible so should England be the one to test having a woman as manager knowing full well it could set women back years?
Would be funny to have England as the villian of every tournament because they went woke and play like buffoons.
Why is no 1 talking about vilda taking over spains men or madrid? Or that patronisation applies to only female cocahes?
Because there isn't a space and he isn't asking.
Only the English would hype up a coach before they win a major tournament to take over a job they didn't say they wanted from someone who didn't say they are leaving their job.
Yeah he should I was thinking that he could just become Spain's men's coach instead but even that's not an option because his reputation has been ruined.
Intentaron arruinarsela pero es campeon del mundo, hay un refran en español que dice " calumnia que algo queda" yo si fuera él dejaría de ser entrenador y me quedaria como director deportivo,
he wouldnt last a day in the men's side. imagine him competing with elite coaches lol
@@MrTechroundupkinda insulting to say the men's game is such a high level that a WWC winning manager wouldn't even be good enough to run for the men's job. The English would call you sexist.
nah its not sexist, its a bitter pill but it is the truth, the mens game are higher standards, more physical and more demanding, its just another level, like men and women tennis, its not the same, if the men and women were to play against each other, well, they have in the past, not even against professional men teams but under 15 clubs, and the women lost, I know its trendy to call everything sexist but the men and women game is not the same, the gap is friggin huge. @@arugono
“His reputation has been ruined?” He has just coached a team that won the World Cup! At the end of the day, this is what he will be remembered for.
Jorge Vilda deserves to keep his job but a smart move would be for him to resign and leave this poisoned chalice (Spain women's national team) behind.
Going forward, they should only let women manage women's affairs.
He should be forced to apologize to the team, and be fired.
If i was Vilda. I would walk away with a my head held high. I gave these young ladies and the country of spain their first world cup championship. Can't take that away no matter what happened months ago.
Exactly. He has shown he is a competent coach even though the naysayers might disagree. He should step down and focus on his role as director of women's football.
or upgrade to take over a mens club@@MultiY4
They won despite him
@@robinj6137You should watch more football, you still have a lot to learn about how this sport is played.
we shall see if they win without him if he decides to step down.. and if they dont then we know the truth@@robinj6137
Yes
guess that haka mock works!
That’s up to the players to decide.
It's not tho is it. The players decided he should go and the end result was that he stayed and some of them missed the world cup.
@@Geokinkladze well I think that’s appalling. Can you imagine how convincingly Spain woulda won the World Cup if they were at full strength with a manager they were 100% behind?
@@jonathancooper4914 I think they'd have been knocked out. Like France were.
@@Geokinkladze that’s an interesting perspective. what’s brought you to that conclusion?
@@jonathancooper4914 Playing football, watching football and managing football teams for over 40 years.
Players think mostly of themselves not the team.
It's always tough for a manager to get players to buy into the idea that the team>player
It's almost impossible once you allow the players to pick the coach.
France have learn't that the hard way.
Update: the coach just got sacked.
Put him in a cell next to MSUs Larry Nassar.
Gab is waffling about at the end of this video trying to somehow defend that guy. Disgraceful
If this trainer gets fired after leading this team ( without many of there so called Regular first team stars ) then it is a sign to ALL men how toxic the women’s game has become ! Mostly due to idiots like Rapinoe using it as HER platform to be political and talk about everything except Football ..
The western world has never been better for women than it is now , they have invaded Men’s football , they are getting support at every corner . But still they have to make it ONLY about what they want ???
Let’s face it, as much and as far as they have come, ANYONE who thinks it will be get to the level of the men’s game is dreaming an impossible dream!
The quality, the talent, the interest is not even close and before some muppet tells me I’m whatever ..
I enjoyed the WC immensely! I think the women’s game is great to watch and has matured Incredibly in a very short time ..
But when you see an under 15’s boys team beating ( the then ) current World champions ( USA ) but a cricket score margin then the reality should be clear to all ..
Yes, The England coach is 10 times better than Vilda
that's funny, how many world cup winner medals does she have?
hahahahaha deadiest
yet she has lost 2 world cup finals & Vilda has a World cup
It doesn't matter, nobody cares. Its like discussing whos the manager of a Boys Brigade football team.
Spain won because of Players not due to clown VIDA , Currupt REEF will keep him instead of sacking of him.
the fk do you know about what's what?
Spain is a team who has never won a knockout match and they lost it because they had bad coaches and all of a sudden they won the World Cup all credit to the players(who design tactics,who decides the squad,who decide the changes)
@@jithinpoliyedathmohanan7237 "All of a sudden..."? Vilda's coached this team for 8 years and has won a total of ZERO tournaments. That's hard to do with several of the world's best players. You have to really try hard to win NOTHING with players like Spain has. Sack Vilda NOW.
@@AN-cy7xm hey idlot they just won the worldcup
He's only controversial because people keep on talking about him. They won the World Cup. Move on.
Vilda should just step down and I think he will. He can retain his position as head of women's football in Spain, a position that he has largely been successful in if I may add. They can then appoint another coach. Appoint the best coach possible and Spain could dominate women's football for the next 10 years. Lastly, the players that quit should never be allowed back in the squad until they apologize. They have now realized they are replaceable and it is a privilege for them to represent the country not the other way round.
Nepotism at its finest.
I dont know, he obviously knew what he was doing. I think he is a good coach. It would be better for the players if he left, but if i want Spain to win back to back, im fixing all the issues and leaving him as coach.
Thank you for saying we dont have all the info we need, i just hope they get it all together.
@@mazdakmina9493 hey idlot. They won!
@@ivnarc6430I think the fella is blinded by the believe all women bs and can't see logic.
I feel the team won because he wasn't a bad coach and wasn't sabotaging the team. There was grit and passion in their play. Something teams like US lacked. So either their nationalism is so strong that they played for the badge despite the coach or Vilda has his players on his side. Given England weren't less passionate or less well drilled, I think Spain were coached well enough by Vilda to outplay England. We seen in the men's game how loss of faith in a manager looks like. This isn't it.
@@mazdakmina9493 I won't pretend I know anything about the situation or what went on because I don't, and because of that I don't have a position on it either. What I will say though, looking at it from the outside, the players don't really appear to have leverage in my eyes even though they won. The coach just proved that they can win the tournament without 12 of their past regulars (regardless of the coaches actual impact on their performance and win). It creates an argument (whether right or wrong) that the players can be replaced and the team can still compete. If the players want leverage, they may need to get the entire Spanish female player pool to say they are not interested in playing under him.
@@mazdakmina9493 blah blah blah..... Your prattling on and on shows you are just a bitter fool. Players who dislike their coach and lost respect for their coach do not win World Cups. It's not a feeling it's psychology.
Nothing you say makes an ounce of sense. And that makes you the sexist for saying that every other team lost to an inferior team managed badly by a man. You are saying that England managed by a woman is worse than a team that is tactically incompetent and unhappy.
Spain's sabotaged team managed by a man is better than England's well managed Lionesses managed by a woman. That is what you are saying. His bad tactics and poor woman management outplayed a woman. You are such a sexist and bigot you lost all logic.
If anything you said is true. The Spain squad should have been like the France 2002 squad. Not the France 1998 squad.
Not “sanatorium” but sabotages*. I got autocorrected lol
Shameless man
Let the woman complain guys.
This is what happens when you force two men who don’t really care about a topic, forced speak about a topic due to Wokeness in fear of being cancelled or lose employment.
Não tira o merito,a quem têm!Falam o que quizerem,uma coisa é certa o resultado esta a vista de todos.E isso é obra do treinador,porque eli é quem faz a escolha,eli é quem faz o eaquema tatico,eli é quem têm a visão de substituir as jogadoras,a cada jogo.Por isso para quem duvidava,para quem desejou mal ao treinador,para quem sem moral,querendo tirar o merito do treinador a resposta foi dada.Eli levou e fez a espanha campea do mundo.Os invejosos que morrem com a inveja e engolem cuspi.
Red cards to both of them
No doubt he needs to go and this was not about a kiss these two men Vilda and Rubiales have a history of mistreatment towards women.. they need to go
@@mariammohammed2267😂😂 don't be asking for evidence you know the mental mob don't operate that way.
Women should be avoided at all costs not worth the effort.
Once the dust settles all these women will be back playing to empty stadiums moaning and complaing about not being paid, treated the same as their male counterparts while being subsidised by them.
You couldn't make it up really, women will bite the hand that feeds them faster then you could say hi.
The ENTIRE SPANISH FOOTBALL FEDERATION SHOULD BE FIRED
If women ask for a winning male coach to be removed, he needs to go away. Daddy will keep him in his job, but the complaints will become public, very public, if he is allowed to stay. His funeral.
kick him out
Bad look of women crying about high expectations from a coach... As long as they do that they have no business complaining of why men's football is so much bigger. The locked door stuff is probably about the princesses locking themselves in and sulking after being criticised and pushed.
Have you been asleep for the last 15 years and unaware of the issues of male personnel intimidating and sexually abusing female athletes? Allowing girl and women players to lock their doors is a no-brainer. Rubiales showed quite publicly what women players have to contend with. This is a bedrock privacy and safety issue. Current women athletes are going to make sure they and younger girls coming up are protected and can concentrate on their sport.
Your comment is just uninformed and dumb. High expectations? Why would you comment about something that you obviously know nothing about?
@@Jamakaya1 I dont care what happened god knows where. Did it happen here? If you want respect set boundaries and stand your ground. What kind of athlete gets pushed around by bunch of staff?
@@zenmonk5403 15 women DID stand their ground and have been told to apologize. Apologize!!! Please pay attention and get a clue.
@@Jamakaya1 15 that cant cope with what it takes to be an athlete. If there was sexual abuse in this story it would've spilled to the public long ago. And hitting the ejector seat button is kind of the opposite of standing your ground.
The issue is that Vilda can now pressure the athletes for sexual favors with threats to kick them off the team or benching them. No one should be supporting Vilda just because he wins.
What planet are you on?
@@Geokinkladze Did you see the video of Vilda grabbing the female coach's breasts on international TV? I'm a guy and I know guys don't "accidentally" grab a woman's breasts. He is demonstrating a pattern of sexual harassment and the players and coaches are not speaking up. Please get your head out of the sand and see the world for what it is.
Vilda is a handsome man, Spain's players are pretty ugly except for Putellas who he rightly kept on the bench. Why would he pressure athletes for sexual favors??? Shame on you for even thinking that.
@@oscarzeni375 Vilda is handsome so all the girls will be giddy to accept his kisses and fondling? Is this some sick cultural expectation of female behavior in Spain? No, dude, girls don't like it when a handsome creep kisses them on the lips. Did Hermoso respond to the unwanted kiss by saying, "He is so handsome and I want more of it"?
He never asked for sexual favours. Thats just gossip! He's the boss, you either follow his rules or your out just like Guardiola has done.
No. The Barcelona players have done this sh*t four times. They got two Barcelona coaches and one Spain coach fired before attempting to fire Vilda. This sh*t has to stop.
Thank goodness that this ridiculous competition has finally finished. Now we can get back to proper football.
He could leave ....goodbye...no one cares if he leaves.
😮🎉😢😂
A rebellious and woke Spain wins World Cup
That makes women's football sounds bad by the way. It's so easy, a team in turmoil can outplay every team and win. A man hated by his squad and tactically sabotaging his team is superior to a woman who is loved by her team and actually has good tactics.
That sounds bad
@@arugono maybe England needed to play more preparation games vs elite teams away from home. What’s that about Saraina coaching the England Men’s national team?
Coach Jorge Vilda is a main reason women's team was so successful on the way to winning the World Cup. Spain's youth system has a lot of talent and will continue to do well. If Spain is not careful and allow players to act like those in the USA, then Olympics and WC2026 will see an early exit.
The Barcelona coach is responsible for building the national team. Jorge has always been a mediocre impediment.
Exactly Real Madrid didn't even have a Women's team they literally bought an existing team not even theirs lolol after watching the ongoing success of the Barça women they jumped on the bandwagon ... Yes there are examples ...about the lack of professionalism ... the extended travel by bus .. no nutritionist .. not enough physics ... there will be no closure in Spanish women's football till Rubiales and his cronies are replaced and we know that won't happen soon ...They are brave women standing up for their rights and trying to keep themselves safe in a professional environment .the world class players who refused to attend stuck to their principles in order to get better conditions for the group .and some conditions were given eg the travel arrangements were improved including family travel a nutritionist and 2 more physios lets remember all these things are afforded to the Mens team .with out Q .... it will all come out just wait and see thanks for tacking this and saying it as it is ......They have my utmost admiration and things will change albeit slowly because of them absolute champions those who went and those who didn't
Spain women team only won cause the coach is male.
May b too many lez in the team any1
Yes, Mapi Leon is the Lez leader and man hater, leader of the rebelion.