The Amazing Digital Circus Pilot Is Far From Amazing
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I think the point of the show is not a "fantastical magical adventure" but a "fantastical magical prison where people are forced to do stuff because otherwise they go crazy or get very bored"
The reason why nothing actually happen is because nothing actually happen. Probably a similar adventure happen over and over and over again with some wacky variation.
That's why Zooble is more pissed than scared and Jax doesn't take anything seriously (only escaping from Kaufmo). Probably they are not a team, just some random guy stucked there.
Thats extremely true. The way they all describe the adventures is not in a "Wow, ao fun, I wanna do it" way, its in a "well, nothing better we can do" way.
I feel like there is a legit critique in here: It's hard to engage with a story when none of the characters will. If all of the characters are apathetic and disengaged, that's gonna rub off on the audience. To paraphrase another reviewer, "How am I supposed to take the story seriously when none of the characters do?"
I think this is the reason why I came out of the pilot only really enjoying Caine and Pomni as characters: They're the only ones who match the energy of the setting and, albeit in different ways, take the world and events seriously.
@@stuarthutzler6670I did enjoy the story, but only a half or two thirds of it.
The characters (besides Gangle who was meh) I liked a lot but the story of Abstracted Kaufmo, the Exit door, and Pomni's intro to the circus/decent into madness is what's compelling.
That's basically what it is
@@stuarthutzler6670 None of the characters take the adventures seriously because they've presumably gone through them time and time again. This is because the A-plot adventure of finding Kaufmo was the focus of the episode, and they took it seriously. B-plot was them doing the set up adventure, which was not treated which as much direness or depth because it was gloinks.
I kind of agree but not everything has to have deep meaning and story moving plot points. Sometimes entartainment is entartainment.
True, i like this show for its comedy and cool animation, i could not care less about the existential horror
Not to mention, it's the first episode. No one can get a lot of deep meaning in the first episode.
ETA: I think the pilot fulfilled its job at getting us hooked into it. We can't expect too much from just 25 minutes of footage, and there's no way that you can have a season's worth of depth and development packed into 25 minutes.
Technically it's a pilot.
Yeah it succeeds in comedy and entertainment, but advertises itself as subtle horror. This is where the problem partially lies.
It tries to make it seem like a horrific existence deep down, but forgets to give us a reason to even care. The characters have no background, they have no depth to their personalities, and they have no meaningful relationships with eachother. Without any of that, we care as much for their well being as we do the unnamed worker drones in murder drones.
Yeah i get it but glitch is good about horror and i think the pilot was a chance for them to goof around with the show and characters until shit gets real later on in the show
"still better than lackadaisy"
Bro has beef with lackadaisy
He really wants to start a war
lackadaisy is one of my fav shows 😭😭✋
I actually love Jax precisely for the flaws you mentioned, because what we got from him was at times a bit one-note and fatiguing, and like he is being forced too much as the lovable fan favourite. It might make him less interesting for us but it is by far the healthiest coping mechanism of any of the characters (and yes all of their personalities are essentially that. Kaufmo abstracted when his funny guy schtick didn't work, Kinger is perma- disassociating, Gangle is depressed but hides behind a facade, and Ragatha tries to sell cheer but clearly thinks way too much of the Exit, and I would bet she's the next to go. But I digress.)
The ending of the pilot shows that the fate worse than death is very close all the time, and if you are to survive you don't even have the luxury of going insane, or isolating into yourself. You have to accept the new reality, *and you have to play along.* And Jax has unashamedly become one with the rules of this wacky world. He is carefree and confident in a world he knows can't hurt him. He acknowledges the gang is trapped forever but completely nonchalantly, as one would say the sky is blue. He is self-centered and chronically bored and doesn't bother at all with the bigger picture; "I'm fine with whatever, as long as I get to see funny things happen to people." Everything that happens has no consequences, their whole existence is a vessel for comedy, and he plays his part to that to a fault. He really only exists for the right here, right now, to the point where he has transcended even the daily(?) games meant to entertain then, and just makes up his own shenanigans on the spot. He doesn't question the theme song deal, or how it got interrupted, despite not even having an audience. It's just what they do now.
In short, what makes Jax one-dimensional and unremarkable in your opinion is the fact that he has surrendered his humanity and made himself into a perfect model of the funny lazy guy archetype most shows have (and who gets to be the fan favourite, which probably helps his chances), and in the current status quo he is guaranteed to outlast everyone else. On the other hand, were he to return to reality now chances are he couldn't survive. Assuming the long-term goal *is* for the gang to escape, I bet Pomni's big role in his character arc will be to help him regain said humanity, and convince him to sacrifice his self-preservation for something bigger.
You phrased it way better than I could. Yeah, there's no reason to get upset of how inhumanly one-note the subcast of TADC is when the whole point is they've LOST their humanity in the trauma they've experienced.
@@matthewmatthew981exactly, and this is only the pilot. This series truly is going to be amazing!
Well there you have it.
Oh shut the fuck up. You probably want to screw Jax or the VA so you come up with this stupid ass view on a basic bitch character.
His laid back attitude could be from him being "stuck here for years." Usually when something been "for years" it's at least 10. And Jax is canonically 22. So being stuck for 10 (or more ) years, means he came to the circus no older than 12. Jax is almost the cliche of a boy running away to the circus...Of _course_ he'd grow to not have a care in the world.
As someone who really, really loved the pilot, I think this is a very measured and honestly rational review. I think there's a lot of room for the show to grow and reviews that point that out are absolutely necessary. Great video
You know a show is doing well when the worst verdict a well-balanced critical review of it like this can give is "Mixed".
A mixed for the pilot is imo really good
It's actually a pretty lame cartoon.
@@charlesbronson4253 it can get better
@@charlesbronson4253nah it’s not lame
@@charlesbronson4253The pilot is lame not the whole thing
I'm pretty sure it was specified from the start Gangle would be unabashedly sad most of the time. So good news, they showed exactly what's she's like in the pilot.
Bad news-they showed exactly what she's like in the pilot.
I just wanna see her happy
@@rosykindbunny1313
When Gangle is happy, I am happy.
When Gangle is sad, why live? ;-;
I'm sad that characters like zooble and gangle got robbed of screentime, especially gangle not having her happy\sad gimmick used at all, but hopefully this gets solved by episode 2
I adore gangle she is SOOO CUTE and i JUST want her to be HAPPY🥺🥺🥺
I know right? I just want to give her a hug and make her smile!
18:31 do NOT dare diss that fidgeting shot, it is VERY important in foreshadowing the mystery of the exit doors and characterizing the nerves-ball of "I'm-holding-this-place-together-with-duct-tape-and-a-dream" that is Caine.
On the other hand I feel like the awkwardness in the pace, especially every time Caine is on screen, is 100% intentional and is actually perfect for drawing deep discomfort out of surface level "haha wacky" moments. The "why didn't anybody tell me" bit, for example, would not have landed at all if it was paced "properly", because that would be the show telling us we are supposed to laugh at the very serious situation on screen.
Similarly to the Gloinks subplot, I actually agree that it flopped and I didn't enjoy it at all, but on some level I believe it was also made to be basic and uninspired and have the main characters not at all invested into it by design. It just went too far with it.
exactly this. do you think there could have been a way to make the gloinks subplot interesting to the viewer but not to the characters? i'm not sure
I think you are somewhat right but as of 14 mins into the video the gloink queen may have been used to show how disconnected or uncaring they are for each other, this would set up a side plot of building friendship and trust throughout the coming episodes
Finally someone, I loved the gloink queen scene since it was a sort of peek into how their everyday was, it wasn't supposed to be captivating since it's just a random adventure caine made up on the fly so the cast don't really care about it, in addition it gives quite a lot of, as you said, the lack of cooperation between the rest of the cast
The only faults I find in this review, Vanity not adaptating to the context or the type of public it refers or the type of series serie that it is
Is a very good pilot, entertaining and interesting.The problem with this review is how points little issues or inevitable issues such as big failures or lack of potential from his personal thoughts
Everyone has an opinion and personal thoughts, but something that I think this channel fails is how he takes the point that everything he says is the truth
@@carmenanayalonsolozanomigu4119 when did he say that everything he is saying is truth?
@@Hazzmat Yeah, sorry for the last comment, it has no sense.
I don’t hate Vanity (un fact, some of his points of his reviews are very good), os just I am a confused of how he rates a show.
The point about he usually doesn’t seems to don’t give his point about what he considers as perfect or what are his standards of big quality it is something that it confuses me a lot
Came in thinking this was just gonna be hatedom content but came out happily suprised that it's a genuine review.
While I haven’t tuned into your channel in a *long* while, I appreciate you judging TADC mostly on its own rather than comparing it instantly to MD. They’re both compelling projects, and they deserve to be judged on their own largely.
Also makes it easier for people like me to follow who never heard of Murder Drones before
Bro wanted the entire season on the pilot
No, just little indice to help us understands whats going on.
Just my take of the "Long silence parts" :
The "DIGITAL HALLUCINATIONS!" *long silence* (line was meant to show Caine trying to gaslight Pomni (and _us_ .)
"WhY diDn't AnYbOdY _TELL_ mE?" *goofy face with long silence* Some say it's also meant to be funny, but the silence is the realization Caine was lying: not just about an exit, but of his "all seeing eyes" (as long as they weren't in the Void.) So either Caine's lying and doesn't have all seeing eyes, or he _does_ , and ignored abstracted Kaufmo (who was never in the Void.)
Fun fact: zoodle is voiced by Ashely Nicoles, who is Michale's (I don't know if they are still) girlfriend, so that's sweet to see them working together on something once more after Hazbin.
And if im not mistaken , in one the livestreams of the huni cast , ashely was asked if she pretended to do a voice actress career , she said she didnt know and that she wasnt sure if her voice would be great, but here she is being the voice of zooble .
I was wondering why zooble's sounded similar. Pretty cool though I suppose.
Okay here's a thought;
The premise of the show is that this woman is spontaneously ripped out of her reality and identity and dropped into the digital circus, and the deadly insanity she inches closer towards comes from the existential trauma of how she's been ripped from her reality.
However, we also know that every other human character has experienced the same thing.
When the whole conflict of the premise is for characters to desperately hold onto their humanity, do we really need for every character to meticulously unpack their version of what that humanity IS? In the PILOT episode?
I think not, I think giving the basic gists of how this trauma has affected them is totally sufficient for now. The trauma is the premise, after all.
It literally is. One official synopsis I read somewhere mention the characters having to face their past traumas. Perhaps future episodes will focus on each character individually.
@@scottvgamer1163 a Kinger episode would go hard
It still needs to hook me though. That's literally the one job a pilot has. It wasn't for me personally.
@@hiloskymore episodes will go on to hook you in
You can't expect a good show to constantly have dialogue and things happening every second; like shaking rattling toys in front of babies for entertainment.
When the talking and the action dies down for a moment, it gives the audience and the characters in the show some breathing room. It lets us take in everything we saw up to that point. It can let us sympathize and relate to characters when we see them in these moments; take for example if they are sitting down deep in thought. Or when Caine stares off at nothing and has a twitchy hand when the subject of "exits" was brought up. It conveys things more then words can. It makes the audience think, and theorize.
Honestly, this is a very respectable review. I sure hope this video doesn't get disliked bombed by TADC super fans!
Ima dislike this awful video😁
Doesn't mean peaple are invalid to dislike the video.
@@thefirstone4864 Sure but it is incredibly stupid to dislike in spite just because your new obsession was fairly criticized
@@thefirstone4864 Yeah, that's true but that wasn't what I was implying. I was more so implying the video being disliked just because something they liked was criticized (basically what Stuff said)
@@stuffigamed jerry what if it's disliked because of poor explanations of significant suggestions
The pilot has been received better than I ever could’ve imagined, it’s a bit overhyped... well, extremely overhyped, but it’s got funny, dark, and surreal undertones. The characters on screen had properly balanced screen time, more so than Hazbin Hotel in some ways. However, all that aside, I do agree with you on your criticisms, it’s definitely not perfect, but we’ll see if it gets better or worse later on when they make new episodes.
What's funny about it?
It's a perfect example of confusing randomness with funny.
14:45 that's an interesting idea but it would be out of character. Recall that Jax wasnt there to engage with Cain's adventure, anything having to do with the glonks is low steaks "just something to do" and Jax didnt really want to mess with that, he just wanted to hide.
Another way to go about it would be just shortening that scene entirely and having Kaufmo break in after a few gags, perhaps right after Pomni leaves out the "exit" door. Then they'd have to show each characters strengths trying to avoid being beaten into glitchy pain by Kaufmo.
This makes sense yeah. I agree the Gloink plot was not too enticing, but Jax bothering with the adventure and especially caring about Zooble is ooc.
Maybe if someone else suggested the condition of getting Zooble back, but honestly I feel the best fix would be just having less of the Gloink b plot, cutting to Kaufmo showing up, and using the time from the b plot to focus on getting away from him while Pomni searches for the exit.
@@shupasopni I agree on less Gloink B-plot. It would have been interesting to see Kinger and Gringle and Jax all having to deal with Kaufmo instead of the glonk queen.
That would sort of be my solution if we wanted to see more of how these characters handle situations.
But then again I think the gloink B-plot was purely for comedy, and not everything has to be high steaks, so in a sense what I think they did do was fine. I mean my favorite moment of the pilot is when Kinger grabs zoobel and then his hands keep going and he's just like "oh."
Makes me laugh every time.
@@Yipper64 True. I don't hate the B plot, but I can see why some saw it as a waste of screen time. I think it's most def the least interesting part of the pilot. It did have good moments though.
Ragatha apologizing for Pomni's first day in the circus adds a lot of horror to the scene. It shows just how normal the suffering is to the ones who've been trapped longer than Pomni and shows that Pomni will likely get normalized to the horrors of other victims becoming abstracted and glitching painfully.
It has the same vibe as someone you know who is chronically ill casually talking about horrible symptoms because of how used to them they are.
Why is anybody without autism suppose to care about that?
It's just juvenile randomness in an effort to be funny.
As if the writer of the show is terminally online.
@@BumboLooksyou sound insecure
@@BLUZZY388 Where's the insecurity?
@@BumboLooks the first sentence of the first reply.
@@BLUZZY388 Ok, so your vision is extremely blurry then.
Please book an appointment with your local optometrist.
Hopefully you can read this.
Yes i can totally agree on the “mixed feelings”. Its because it has soo much potential but from the pilot alone theres some flaws here and there that are more like a crack in a glass. It all beautiful now and well thought out but those cracks can get bigger and shatter the glass any moment.
Now, I’ll (probably) check out the full video when it drops, but I just want to say now that I really don’t like the use of the words “overhyped” or “overrated” (not just from you). The vast majority of people unironically loved this, but it’s alright to not agree since opinions ARE subjective. Words like those, however, don’t really come off as such.
Perfect explanation.
jerry it's to get views
too bad
Most of the criticisms are fairly valid. Problem comes from the fact that trying to cram full charaterization for 8 characters into a pilot is pretty hard, I have no doubts your suggestion for the replacement scene with the gloinks would've been hell to animate, plus Kaufmo bursting through the ceiling essentially deals with both problems at the same time.
Gangle and Zooble having their characterization Shafted defintely sucks but I'm hopeful theyll get more future episodes. I try not to be too harsh on the pilot simply because it has a big difficult task on it's own introducing the series and compelling people to give it a chance, and the likes of Pomni, Jax, Caine and Ragatha provide enough by themselves to keep people interested. Not to mention all the subtle mysteries like the doors with "X"'s on them in the hall scene.
Yeah I think Jax could've been pulled back a little more for gangle/zooble but it's hard to say how it would've affected the pacing considering the story would move differently as Jax is basically what splits the party up in the first place past the first 1/2 of the episode.
I by no means think TADC Pilot was perfect, but it was good and deserves the oppurtunity to become a fully fledged series, so I don't think the hype is unjustified as long as it's serving to give the show it's footing. That's a pilot is usually FOR it's to give the audience a rough draft of the world and characters and get picked up by networks (Usually, though not in this case since it's produced by glitch inhouse) I'm sure Zooble and Gangle will get a lot more screentime in future episodes considering they do have unique personalities even if we don't get to see much of them in the pilot.
That title leans a little too harsh for me. As the series has so much potential sitting in wait, but the pilot cannot do that idea justice on it's own, it needs to introduce the viewer to the world and characters, and set up the main ideas it will be exploring, such as the abstracted characters, and the mysteries of the void, how to escape the digital world if you can, and if Caine is another, human, an AI or something else. No pilot that was any shorter than an hour or so could really deliver on the sky high expectations a lot of people are hyping it up to be. I still think it's great for what it is.
I'd imagine that might've been the problem when vanity worked on this video. Every pilot isn't always a perfectionist mirror and it's really not the only issues among that, the pacing itself is a bit strange but not life threatening for the series I think, it's something that needs to be taken into consideration atleast if it's gonna be picked up fully all in all.
Surely they've gotten plenty of this type of criticism, so it hardly is surprising that it might be repetitive of what already might've been said.
I totally agree, I see people focusing a lot on ``is it good/is it average/is it bad, but they failed to explain this and that''...my brother in Christ, a pilot is made to show an idea in development, in certain moments, they will be very expository to create curiosity about what is being presented, and other things will be left open so that it can be appropriately developed in the future.
@@SparkyCas I feel like the pacing issue is, once again, due to it being a pilot episode. For the same reasons mentioned earlier.
Since future episodes are (probably) not going to have to juggle so much stuff at once in a relatively short span of time, they're likely to have better pacing.
Still, yeah, in retrospect the pacing was kinda weird at some points and i agree this is something they'll have to keep in mind for the future of the series.
Goose has made it quite clear on multiple occasions that the show is about exploring these characters - that all of them are far deeper than this pilot might make them out to be. So I find criticism of any of them being one-note to fall flat.
A pilot can be entertaining on its own. Why not have halve the cast instead? If you can't reasonably flesh them out don't include them.
“Caine is more of a plot device than a character”
Idk what he means by plot device here
Agree on Jax and Caine. They feel so tailor-made for mass appeal that I just cannot care about them or see them as anything but the sexyman trope. Like they are just a mishmash of overhyped characters and clearly feel like theyre meant to appeal to obsessive fans and they just feel so disingenuous. I just know they're the fan faves and are gonna take all attention away from the female characters who are more interesting because they are factory-produced to fit that mold and I'm not keen for it. Watch the very few female characters get completely shafted by the fandom because they're too busy obsessing over 'smug skinny man #394292' and 'wacky ringleader villain #34533859'.
Valid criticism. However, its important to remember, this is a pilot.
All the great animated shows we have had a pilot where everything waa completely different. A mid pilot gives the team the chance to tweak out the issues.
Dude, its only just a pilot that introduces the characters. Yes, some of your criticisms are valid however its too early to judge the book by its cover. Personally I hope it becomes something like Emesis blue when confronting the horrors that eternity inflicts upon the human mind, we will just have to wait and see.
That's why he was judging it as a pilot, actually! He wasn't judging it as an active show with a whole season already set out. At least- I don't think he was trying to.
This opinion seems very contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. It seems like on this channel you don't like anything because it's popular, but I'll hear you out. *EDIT:* After watching, I ended up agreeing quite a lot with the video, especially about Jax (I don't like him)
Nah personally I just think he looks for any flaws there might be, no matter how obscure or little they might be. Also he might simply just wanna say in the video that the pilot was very good but not necessarily phenomenal(the video hasn't premiered yet so I'm just guessing for now)
@@silver_dusk You are right. I'll have to wait for the video to form a proper opinion.
How do you not long jax. He is the best one
@@TheLogreal So far he's been nothing but a jerk, which I know is the point (I've heard that from so many people), but I don't particularly like characters who are jerks with no redeeming qualities, which, so far, he's shown to not have any. I assume, or at least hope, that'll change as the story goes on, but as for now he's the most unpleasant character.
Bro it's because Jax is funny. He's not a good character because he's a jerk he's a good character because he's funny.
I’d just like them to relax on the expo dumps and the obnoxious “OH YOU KNOW IT’S A DARK SHOW AND HERE’S WHYYYYY-okay back to normal” dialogue. Not eradicate, not remove-but obviously relax on it. I’m sure the ADHD folk will eat it up less because of that, but the pilot still blew the hell up, and after their last shows it’ll be for the better regardless.
They did their homework on “show, don’t tell” like at the end when the camera was focusing on Pomni and her realization of the situation she’s in, but it would’ve been far better if Kinger didn’t suddenly become Kojima just moments beforehand. Jax noting that weird input doesn’t really help either, he kind of just helps solidify how dumb that was-and not in the good self awareness way.
Cyberpunk did this exceptionally well by just having people almost never explain a thing, just that they know in advance because they’ve been living in that environment for awhile. It helps sell Night City being kind of crazy much better. Have these characters feel like they’ve been living here for awhile rather than cramming it so obnoxiously to sell the fact that this place is obviously bat shit. It also would’ve sold the more ominous scenes where Pomni’s opening those doors to find an aquarium or a giant chamber.
Everything else can stay the way it is with just a few tweaks for when the show finally releases (like not wasting characters). “LOLSORANDOM” humor is also just never gonna go away. We have been dealing with it since Borderlands and as long as it gets ONE laugh out of me, it’s always worth an overlook.
The Cyberpunk comparison is a VERY GOOD EXAMPLE but it also……… falls on its face
That worked because they needed people who looked like people to feel like people as much as act
These people in Circus don’t look like people and generally don’t come close to acting like people, so making this effect for these people is kind of an odd process
Lack of expo dumps would 100% make it easier though but everything afterward is up in the air
I bet that Jax took the spotlight in most of these scenes so that a lot of people like him as a character and be more inclined to buy the merch of him
On the matter of the “gloink quest being boring”, I think that actually enhances the story, because if it’s boring for us to watch, imagine how boring it must be for that to be their life and only form of entertainment, other than talking to each other
They even call this out in the show - "this is dumb and weird" "Well you're still watching it!"
Just because it makes a bit of sense in universe doesnt justify the scene. That subplot still needed to be interesting by showing their skills or how they work together. But we dont we learn nothing new about these characters and it just feels like wasted time
this is such a shallow excuse for bad writing lmao. the entire pilot is written poorly. the base concept is interesting but the jokes are childish, the pacing is boring, and much of the character design seems downright lazy
@@thatpeskyrat cool, however, I no longer feel like justifying what tv I enjoy to strangers on the internet
@tacotown4598
No one ever asked you to in the first place.
Why every Murder Drone stan account so weird about TADC succes?
He's made videos saying how he disliked episodes 4 and 5 of murder drones so I don't think he stans the show, also he makes content about other stuff too, so vanitymoth ain't a stan account👍
Watch the actual video. It’s a well thought out critique
@@PhoenixPilot with shitty clickbait title and thumbnail, tho.
Some fans of the show don't seem to like the idea of someone criticizing or critiquing TADC; I hope none of said fans take art classes, 'cuz critique is often part of learning in art.
The show's just starting, yes, and it's impossible for something to _not_ be flawed . But again, the show's barely out; it's got room to grow and develop its plot. It's amazing to see something you love improve over time (like developing art skills), is it not? Also, this is indie entertainment. I think that's impressive enough that "average" people are able to make these productions without the level of connections and money that most of corporate entertainment can afford.
Once more of the series comes out, _maybe_ people will be more open to criticism of it...or not, because fandoms in general are crazy like that.
I absolutely adored the pilot and really do think this is the best pilot for an animated web series on CZcams, but I actually agree with a lot of your points. Really glad this wasnt just a "I hate it for the sake of being popular"
You earned a sub mg🔥
You bring up some good points. I still believe the Amazing digital circus has a wealth of potential though, so I have to disagree with the overall sentiment. That being said, there most certainly are some areas to iron out- which is what the point of a pilot is for.
"Far From Amazing" is being a bit harsh, but I wouldn't say its perfect.
Bro has to get view impressions from SOMEWHERE.
You are sooo right about Jax basically taking other characters spotlight. I really wanted more of Gangle personally because I like her character but there was barely anything done with her.
I’m not gonna lie, the bowling against the gloinks was a really good idea
In regards to Jax. He’s not my favorite either but I feel like the point is that he steals the spotlight. He’s a narcissist and he even broke the fourth wall at one point by looking right at the camera to speak. He’s deliberately derailing things. Why do you think he out a centipede in Ragatha’s room and hit Kinger with a bowling ball? It’s kinda the point.
OK I’m probably going to sound like that guy truthfully I can’t really blame the pilot for not being great it’s pretty much a thing that all pilots suffer from But I have hope that as things continue on things will get better
Ok anyways I’ll give you my thoughts on the pilot:
Starting off is the animation which is fucking hilarious and I love it and the plot is fine the writing is done well and yeah that’s pretty much it. Also I didn’t got any MD vibes or HH vibes the only vibes I got was I know this is going to sound odd but Andy’s Apple Farm vibes
We cant use any of that foul language:caine 2023
@@catsarecute7395 what are you talking about?
I completely forgot about Andy’s apple farm jeez-
@@The-keeper-of-time-and-space. zomg zooble reference
I agree people calling it a masterpeace forgots thats just a pilot
In my opinion the show is a little overrated
Thats my opinion
Can't say I disagree with anything in this video. The humor hit a little better with me than you, so I probably enjoyed it more, but other than that I'm pretty much agreed.
Good review.
Im pretty sure its the setups and ending of the pilot that really helped it get overhyped. That, and people are freaks for half decent content nowadays
Tbh I prefer deep stories and also I think most people don't like TADC because of the community like bro, they will ruin everything.
Honestly, I agree with the spotlight hogging Jax point, the Gloinks Queen point, and the few threats point.
I noticed while making a fan comic that, Jax is the loudest second to Caine, and they take up all the screen time. I want to give everyone equal attention, so I had to literally throw Jax to the side and sidetrack Caine.
And the solution to GQ is kind of too easy. They could have solved it before GQ got beaten, but the convenient thing happened instead. It could have been a chance for Zooble, Gangle, or both to shine, but the time was given to Jax’s dialogue instead.
Lastly, although abstraction is horrible, it’s not really enough to be horrifying. Yes, go crazy and you’ll be gone, but is this world bad or boring enough to go crazy in? They haven’t showed us. And even so, it’s just sad, not horrific. If they show us how this place can torture or damage the characters, then it would feel more threatening.
I don't think it is that bad
I can see why digital circus is so popular its probably because the pacing was fast and has dubbing and iconic music
Well that is the thing
They always are in danger
If they every gove up hope and stuff they will abstract
The was the point of the monster
It is an imitate and always lingering threat
From either being killed by the monster or becoming one themselves
I think the disconnect the characters have for the subplot was intentional. It showed me how often they've had to do these silly tasks/quests and that there are really no high stakes involved.
If I'm being honest I agree. I actually found the low stakes plot quite fun and helped with some nice characterization!!! Also provided with some of the funniest lines and jokes in the pilot which helps!!
I like it cuz it get's you to wanting more and asking about the lore. It grabs the viewers attention.
At least we still haven’t seen serial killers with daddy issues in the series yet 💀
I do 100% agree with both Gangle and Zooble not having much screen time, it almost makes it hard to even say they have potential especially when talking about Gangle because she literally had zero importance throughout the PILOT, she was kinda just……there? Also I liked your idea of how they could’ve challenged the Gloink Queen to a bowling match, but this could’ve possibly led to too much time being added, I think Kinger was the most perfect character of having enough screen time whilst not having too much, he was funny but not over the top, Zooble also could’ve had that, but with what we were given, her personality did seem really basic from what we got, I also really like Jax, but nobody likes a character who always interrupts other characters especially when it’s a PILOT, not saying that’s all that he did, but that’s still something he did do. Lastly, I also really agree with how Pomni sorta just, leaving the rest was sorta like, not unreasonable, but I personally also wanted to see her interact more with the others, but going back to Gangle again, literally everybody in the show spoke to atleast everyone ONCE (or at least said something to them specifically) where as Gangle wasn’t spoken to by everyone, because I also really like Gangle too. Another thing I also wanna point out, is kinda how the characters were just, standing still for a lot of the various parts of the PILOT, that’s also why I liked seeing when Pomni was on screen because she was always on the move in many scenes which meant we were able to see more of the Digital Circus and speculate on different things. Overall, I don’t have a genuine issue with this show, these are just some things I want to be considered by Glitch Productions, some parts were either too fast or too slow but I still think this show is amazing! But what isn’t going to physically help a show, especially a PILOT like this one is not actually acknowledging what can be IMPROVED, rather than bluntly agreeing this show is perfect in every single way physically possible all the time.
Would've been funny to see Zooble whoop his ass on that escalator for being so rude to them. Zooble being the foil to Jax could make for a very good dynamic between the two characters and it would make Jax less likely to be obnoxious.
Bubble’s existence and some cringe lines are the two main things I can think of that I don’t like about the pilot. 8/10. Better than Hazbin Hotel’s pilot. I LOVE KINGER
My personal thoughts
Animation, character designs, voice acting and environments are all fantastic. The existential horror presented is likewise very engaging. The abstractions and the "exit" door office complex are geniounly very unnerving.
The only issue I have really, is with Pomni herself. It might just be me, but I didn´t like that she was too frightened from the get-go and tried escaping at every possible opportunity. The whole pilot is basically her panicking to the point of even leaving Ragatha for dead. A very selfish decision, but I am interested how this might develop if they try to play it as a genionuine character flaw that she needs to overcome.
I would´ve preferred if she tried exploring this world with a degree of enthusiasm first. Much like Tulip from Infinity Train AND THEN panic once she realizes she can´t escape. Might just be me though.
To be fair, I think they are going for a more "realistic" reaction to what someone would do if they found out they were mysteirously trapped inside a digital world with people they didn't know, and had no way to get out or ever return back to their old life. Espeically if you just randomly started seeing talking chess pieces, anthromorphic rabbits, and abstract creatures.
@@wandereringshadow8658 Yes, I totally get that. However, she panics immediately upon being dropped into the Circus. Literally her first scene is running towards the "exit" before anyone has a chance to even explain to her what is going on. It came off as really weird/somewhat rushed to me.
@@riskopalfi801it's simply more realistic. Her being all laid-back and fine w it would be weird and not relateable at all. She just lost her body, her real life, is in an unknown reality with beings or people that look like anything but human. Also, some random glitch monster turns up and along with all that stress it's more than normal for her to act that way.
Anything else would be unrealistic and weird, it'd give her less of a character.
@@Devayata True.
she did try to help ragatha though, she couldnt even touch ragatha without becoming a glitched mess. very much not selfish at all... (12:12 in the pilot)
Alright so the title is plain ragebait, but I'm inclined to somewhat agree with your points.
I enjoyed this review. It's realistic and not hateful towards the fans at all. Even though I loved the pilot a lot, I completely respect your opinion!
So you can't handle any criticism unless it is super soft and gentle just for you.
That sounds like peak autistic psychopathy.
Jax is a jackass for sure but the problem I had with your review that you expect too much from a first episode it's just non issue it's just very annoying that indie projects can only release 1 episode every for months or even multiple years after a pilot but shows on disney channel can have at least 10 episodes and judged 10 episodes it's unfair and people saying unrealized potential I have to let the show form it's identity instead of judging it by popularity it doesn't matter if it has 1 millon or 100 million views the quality is the same and the judgements should be the same.
We cant use any of that foul language :caine 2023:
It sort of feels like the slow burn of the digital circus doesn't really appeal to you compared to how fast pace something like murder drones are. on my end murder drones felt badly paced and so far the digital circus feels much more solid and engaging.
Honestly I personally feel that this is one of the flaws reviews can have because all reviews well have some amount of bias to them so something someone finds to be ok at best might be a masterpiece to someone else.
Personally my favorite character is kinger because of his insanity
SAME
I still really like TADC but I definitely get this review. I agree that the show has kinda random pacing and some of the characters dont have much depth, but I just think this show is really entertaining.
I very much enjoy this video, not just for it's analysis of TADC but the microcosm of how much should one analyze media while watching it. one one hand, I want there to be good quality in media, and criticism helps to create this, but also approaching things from a analytical perspective can decrease your enjoyment of it by making flaws you wouldn't otherwise notice apparent.
in this case, I absolutely enjoyed TADC but I also understand and somewhat agree with your criticism, and with your warning at the end. Hopefully TADC will keep this level of quality or improve, and not go the way of murder drones.
It was way better than their previous offering of Murder Droids, which was really not that good plot wise and lacked a lot in the aesthetics department.
Idk, never heard of "Murder Droids", I only know of Murder Drones.
>:]
I feel the same. Murder Drones started leaving me feeling confused with each episode, not that they were bad or anything, just kinda lacking plot-wise.
Murder Droids? You mean Metal Arms?
Thank you for this review! It's been really hard to place my feelings on TADC ever since it came out. If I had to describe it best, it feels like an essay that uses a lot of big and fancy words so it looks amazing and well thought out at face value, but once you looks past it and try to understand it, it's not really saying much of anything. A B- project with A+ polish. I'm really interested in the show, but that's more so because of the potential I see in it for future episodes. Also, as someone who has one of their favorite characters as Gangle, you are 100% right and she's mainly my favorite for her design... *I REALLY WISH THEY GAVE HER MORE SCREEN TIME :{*
Actually, it would've been better if we saw Kinger and Gangle trying to catch the gloinks and then stumbling across "the Zooble hole", though I think it would've been also been better if Zooble was deconstructed a bit later because it would've been less pressing to find Zooble. This would've probably allowed the rest of the cast to shine. The Pomni-Ragatha scenes dragged for too long and I think it would've been better if Pomni's indecisiveness was more exaggerated - there was this issue of the monster just waiting to react to what Pomni does which could've been handled better.
I would've loved seeing Jax outrun and outwit the monster while also keeping it hidden from the others who don't know of Kaufmo's demise while they hunt for the gloinks in the many spaces of the Tent.
In the scene after Ragatha gets rickoschaye'd around the monster, as I've mentioned before, the monster could be playing a game of twister and whack-a-mole and pomni as she decides between running away or picking up ragatha. The zap convincing her to run from the monster which leads to it falling off the balcony and then in the adrenaline (as in the original) Pomni is exaggerated though in trying to decide to keep running or to come back to Ragatha.
Knowing how hard it is to storyboard, its' likely they considered all of this but it was outside their budget to handle.
Caine is very different the others because he's just an AI. Not human.
Blud can you realise that it has no episodes yet
read the title, its clearly only discussing the pilot
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TADC was amazing indeed, with great 3D animation, incredible characters and a captivating plot.
However, I do agree it is a bit overhyped.
Something can be fantastic at an 8/10 and overhyped to 10/10 level. Doesn't mean it isn't less amazing, it's just not the best thing to ever exist. And this is coming from someone fully bought into the hype.
Something being overhyped doesn't mean anything anyway don't really be consumed by words and judge it by the actual quality than by public perception.
this is actually pretty relatable as someone who enjoyed the pilot. congrats on not being an asshole!
The only reason digital circus got so hype because the pacing was fast so people didnt get bored at it and also because its family friendly
Gangle isn’t whiny unless their comedy mask is broken….
The pilot felt violently boring and like it was trying so hard. It was very predictable and hard to look at- I understand the visuals are supposed to be psychadelic but it's a fine line to walk and they crossed a few too many times. Everything about the pilot just felt... oversaturated.
And why does bro sound like cybershell when talking about Gangle _💀_
oh boy this better be good.
i hate when people who know nothing about animation talk about animation
Eh, I’ll agree to disagree.
The humor was a highlight for me (because Tumblr has corrupted my sense of humor since middle school).
Personally I thought Gangle was supposed to be the punching bag character (Ebichu the Housecleaning Hamster, Fluffy and Uranus from Duckman or Dr. Zoidberg). They’d pretty much be a springboard for jokes, but there’d be possibility for character development down the road.
I felt like Zooble and Jax’s relationship would be similar to Leela and Bender from Futurama. I got the vibe that Zooble wouldn’t hesitate to put Jax in his place (both verbally and physically) if he was a dick or annoyed them or others.
With Caine, he felt like a more extreme version of Bill Cipher. That scene you criticized for being oddly paced at 18:32 showed how easy it’d be to annoy him. And how he just stood there in silence presumably seething while trying to calm down gave Caine a bit a depth; it showed that this all seeing God won’t just be a happy-go-lucky trope.
Then again, I’m biased because, as a 3D animation graduate, I absolutely adored Gangle, Zooble, and Caine’s designs; so of course I’d be more lenient about how they were portrayed.
I hate video essays with a passion, it's mindless rambling stretch too long to give some retarded opinion or just pure morbid curiosity the appearance of an intellectual reflexion. And that's when it's not outright time wasting contrarian clickbait.
"Le show le hype"
"le children cartoon le deeper than you think"
"le video game le broke me"
So do you have like an actual point??? Or are you just going to pull out more ad hominems-
@@VenIGuess idk go do an empty 20 minutes clickbait video essay on my comment "this comment le broke me"
@@ptitepompe469Okay yup you didn't actually make any new points or try to potentially clarify and substantiate older ones.
@@VenIGuess 🤓
@@ptitepompe469No need for a face reveal.
Honestly, I hate how Jax was written; his lines are really hard to listen to.
I actually enjoy how unhinged Caine is, and it doesn’t annoy me.
Why?
@@yalovoyhznepomny his only personality trait is being an asshole who thinks he’s funny, and his lines make me cringe HARD. He talks like someone who’s trying too hard to fit in and seem cool
VanityMoth really knows how to make a good review, I agree with pretty much everything said here.
- Pomni was amazing but needed more time to actually interact with the rest of the cast.
- Jax needs more depth besides being one-sided.
- Lots of missed opportunities, but the show can definitely improve and do better later on.
Overall, this is another PEAK review by VanityMoth.
Idk, the gangle take was pretty hot
@@CommanderInQuack 🔥
@@CommanderInQuackya, but he's kinda right
But I like Jax being one-sided :
To be fair, this is what i thought
The plot is basic and not really interesting, only thing bringing the series togheter is the “interesting” characters. But there isn’t much to enjoy in reality. Like even the side plots are directly said to be “distractions” so anything they do beyond trying to get out becomes..nothingness. Meaningless.
You had me but you lost me. Not every character is supposed to be main or have too much time. And some are okay just to be a trope. Gangle for instance wasn't meant to be deep, not yet, with both sides happy and sad mattering, her point was just to be the depressed sad one who for that reason is the one with the least screen time. The others had more time in line with how important they're going to be, hence Jax and Caine getting more while Kinger and Bubble get significantly less. Comic relief characters are funny because of timing and not being all over the place and being much, but to apply that to Caine, the ringmaster of this whole thing, wouldn't make any sense.
Pomni not being around the rest to interact IS the point, she doesn't want to accept having anything to do with this place until the end when she sits down with them all. She isn't trying to know them and only Ragatha who is nice she considers saving but even in a hesitating fashion. She exits the moment she can because none of this matters to her. It shows a great deal who she is, introducing her without needing her to have character interactions, it's more about how the rest interact with HER. Even how she says to pay Kaufmo a visit just to learn about the exit, she manipulated the rest and the situation to do what she wants at the expense of others which Zooble points out at the end, which is important.
And to have a cheesy subplot that's over done and cliche? Where you have a bowling game with an expert having a team of losers, that's SO overdone like look at Monsters Inc the series recently doing it. Everyone using their skills or abilities? Overdone. And it's giving importance to something that shouldn't have importance which again is the point to not be, characters who have been doing these games and adventures while the one who is new not doing the regularly shceduled normal activity. To make the Gloink Queen an actual character to need defeating wouldn't make the pilot about being in the weird place from the get me out of her perspective but more like as if we just went alone with the world built and how it works. Again, why Jax is simply bored offending the Queen, she's just another NPC. Which is why it's important when it goes horribly wrong due to the A plot of trying to escape the digital world vs the B plot, the norms of the digital world.
I'm not saying the show is perfect or that nothing you said is valid but we don't need a kid show where everyone has development and needs to learn lessons and work together in cliche stories when this show is about trying to break said cliche where we don't really know anyone's deal. And trying to introduce them all equally in one small pilot where you can't establish who's the main characters or secondary ones or the side ones, would be terrible.
I think the first point with Gangle's character was a little off. Having the two masks was meant to be her entire character flow so for one of the masks to break and to have her premise be gone is really off putting in order for us to get to know this character and what they are truly meant to be like we did for Kinger, Jax, Pomni, etc.
The other points? Fair. I agree that the subplot was actually pretty good. I do somewhat disagree with the second point but honestly I'm not going to type a whole rebuttal since I can see people arguing either way. I'm of the opinion that Pomni deserved to interact with the rest of the cast way more but I can also see how this highlights her character flaw in this episode relating to the new environment.
Good, pretty valid rebuttals :DD
aside from the backgrounds blending too much with the characters like the sinners in the pride ring of hazbin/helluva, my only other gripe abt tadc is how it banks too much on the not so subtle references from hazbin/helluva it has, intentional or not.
some of which include
caine/alastor having the whole villain/not really showman shtick going on
vagatha and ragatha literally have almost the same name and is trying to be the one keeping the peace amongst it all
jax and angel being the lovable little shit voiced by michael kovach
zooble also sharing somewhat of their role/personality with vaggie
both this pilot and the helluva and hazbin pilots have too much going on, kind of showing how they have so much stories theyd like to tell but dont know which one shld go first so they just ham it all in there until all doesnt mesh well and segways awkwardly
and on a sidenote, i love lizz as yanfei but having her do panic attacks as pomni's only personality will get old at some point, just the pilot alone pomni already became the most annoying character for me, and somehow kinger and gangle left a more positive impression on me despite their similar roles of "not handling the circus well".
thats everything i could remember from my time watching the pilot, though as a fan of psychological horror or just mind games in general, im looking forward to tadc.
I disagree with that the pilot should introduce everyone immediately and show a lot of setting. The pilots is meant to capture viewers, keep people intrigued and wanting more. Or to have a studio willing to fund a project pick it up. Otherwise, you don't have something to hold on to and lead off from. Giving a spoonful of the B-plot characters of the pilot and a healthy dose of the A-plot ones allows for a viewer to want to see more of some areas more then others. I'd want to see an episode of Pomni interacting with Kinger, Zooble and or Gangle now, or some mix of any of the characters to see how they interact. If they tried to show how each interact with each other right off the bat, it just wouldn't work out; we'd end up with too much on our plate. It gave us a tasting, with a little extra Jax since they're an entertaining character; that also serves as plot progression for both plots.
I do agree with the Cain not being entirely entertaining, but I feel like that's also meant to be a plot point; or rather I hope.
I loved the pilot and at first, I thought I was going to hate this video, but then I really thought about it and realized everything you were saying was true. I'm also glad that you liked Kinger and Pomni as those are two of my favorite characters in the show, and I can definitely relate to that ending theme giving me goosebumps. Nice Video❤
I mean a pilot's purpose is not to be flawless. It's to give the pitch to the audience and give them a reason to check out episode two. Is it flawless? No. I have my problems here and there. I do wish the other characters were focused on more outside of Pomni. Yes some of the jokes do not land. Yes some of the pacing here and there can be a bit weird. But I think to expect characters to be more than how they're presented in the first episode is kind of an unrealistic expectation. There is enough shown about all of them to make them intriguing. Honestly Jax being such an ass for me is an interesting take on how to handle the situation they're in. Ragatha chooses optimism. Zooble chooses pessimism. Gangle chooses to try to keep a non broken comedy mask. Kinger is just Kinger. And Jax chooses chaos. It doesn't really strike me as odd that someone like Jax would choose chaos and self preservation to deal with a situation like this.
Yeah the pilot is not perfect. Am I intrigued though? Absolutely. It gave me a lot to be curious about going forward for the inevitable second episode and what turn the series will take from here on out. I think the show has a lot of potential.
The pilot was okay... i liked the comedy and Cane. Didnt care for all the other characters. It has potential, but the fandom growed TOO fast
I fear this will be another Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel situation
I do hope it isnt
caine
This comment section is already so toxic and the video isn't even out yet lmaooo
I can't wait to see what this becomes when it's released.
oh boy a almost 22 min review for a seris that may not even get its first offical ep till the end of next year
"Overhyped success" is a good way of describing the pilot, it is really good and it definitely deserves the price it's getting but it should also be looked in critical light.
I love Jax I really think he's funny (even despite what you point out) but it's true the pilot has a lot of him (which like you said with bubble funny characters are best in small dosis) and not enough of characters like Zooble and Gangle who only show a superficial one note aspect (they should've at least let happy Gangle interact with Pomni tripping and breaking her mask) and also that indeed the Gloink subplot could've been sth more than just the characters standing there waiting for the A plot. Also that the characters split up way too soon to actually show how they interact with one another (again, specially with Kinger, Zooble and Gangle, which seeing the concept of abstraction it looks like this show aims for character driven moments among the comedy which being honest we barely get that at the end with Pomni and Ragatha).
You can definitely see all the possibilities they could take this characters and this world in future episodes but the pilot had so much to acomodate to that it left some of it feeling off, I'm still positive the show can make improvements for it's next outings and seeing Goose is very receptive of criticism I see that very likely
the amazing digital circus is like getting insanity 5 in arcane odyessey with no warding
I was wondering to myself what kind of show Hazbin would be without the violence, sex jokes and uncensored swears and Digital Circus seems to be the answer to that.
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the way the pilot tries to generate intrigue, though I admit some of it did catch my interest (i.e the implication of the Digital Circus being a powerful and advanced virtual computer program that is running on a PC too primitive to sustain it, the sprinkles of Christian symbolism, etc.,) but I also worry that the story possibly showed too much.
Obviously you want to grip the audience with your pilot, but some of it felt like it was there just to kick off the inevitable slew of videos for the lore and theory junkies idk.
Christian symbolism?
I liked the amazing digital circus but If people don’t like it then that’s fine too
I don't get the amount of dislikes this video has, while I do enjoy the pilot every flaw you have mentioned here is 100% fair and I think some of the pilot feels rather empty (especially with the B plot they could've done a lot more with it). I do think it has a lot of potential but still is fairly flawed as is. Good video
Anyone who liked the pilot is under the age of like 9 or has the mental state of one-
Still better than Murder Drones and Helluva Boss
Best review ever! I though that the show would look like a old pc game style (which would have being more cooler and more scary imo) And i wish that some of the characters have more screentime and more personality and being unique🎉
I randomly found it on the internet, had no idea if it was anticipated or whatever and I fell in love with it
Whats the background music he used?
I remember reading a bunch of people already saying this is the best series so far
And i was all like huh? Thats stupid its only the 1st episode + a show can also have some messy writing later on
Let the online wars begin!
Good Video Btw, keep up the good work.
No it wasnt a good video it was terrible😡