Thoughts on Checklists for Safety

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  • čas přidán 29. 12. 2023
  • Here's my response to some criticism I've received in the comments regarding lack of checklist usage. Ryan, I, and Danny have a conversation on the topic in office at OCR Aviation.
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  • @TomTiller-kd7fr
    @TomTiller-kd7fr Před 6 měsíci +30

    Rich is the safest and best pilot I have ever flown with. I literally bet my life learning how to fly a jet with him. My perspective did not come from watching an edited video, but rather from spending over 60 hours in the cockpit next to him. With a very calm demeanor he teaches you step-by-step how to fly in a calm, reasoned way. I can now safely fly my family and friends with confidence and it has had a very positive impact on our lives. Like Danny said, it is very important to never stop learning and to do way more than the minimum required. I also work very hard to improve with every flight to keep small problems small, and avoid repeating mistakes. Checklists are an important resource but are only one tool of many used to safely conduct a flight. Rich's understanding of every aspect of the airplane and its systems, combined with about 10,000 hours of diverse flight experience, is unmatched in the owner flown segment.

    • @mustardseedsociety
      @mustardseedsociety Před 6 měsíci +3

      That is so dang cool you got to "Fly with Rich". You literally "did" the name of his You Tube channel LOL. Yea, me and the wife were watching Rich on our big screen flying the C208 Caravan {not the Dodge Caravan LOL} and I blurted out, "that is the most calm BUT CONFIDENT pilot I have ever seen !!". I'm pretty sure my wife agreed - or perhaps she was just waiting for her turn at the remote.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +5

      Thank you Tom - I appreciate the message - happy new Year and looking forward to more flying!

  • @mytubehkjt
    @mytubehkjt Před 6 měsíci +25

    Also; GA pilots forget that they are 'check' lists and not 'do' lists. The way the airlines work is that you perform a 'flow' from memory and only THEN do you run a CHECK list. That means that you set all your switches etc. via the flow (from memory) then check that you have done them via the check list.
    I see time and again in GA where people perform a 'do' list; ie. they read a line item then perform the step. This is not the way to do it imho.

    • @Parr4theCourse
      @Parr4theCourse Před 6 měsíci +2

      Yep…..

    • @cj2driver
      @cj2driver Před 6 měsíci +2

      Agreed

    • @JBalloonist
      @JBalloonist Před 6 měsíci

      Exactly. My primary CFI ingrained this in me fairly early on.

    • @JMGlider
      @JMGlider Před 6 měsíci

      Civil and mil pilot here and agreed with yiur comment. However, I have seen checklists or SOP's with written in it 'this is a read and do checklist' or 'this is a do and check checklist'. In my operation we mix these things deliberately in different phases of flight.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      I have not seen that in GA Aircraft, in my experience with GA, one size fits all under the name checklist. I can certainly see the need for distinction in military/crew/complex heavy transport aircraft. Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @gregsanders7610
    @gregsanders7610 Před 6 měsíci +14

    Rich, I would definitely fly with you anytime. I am very impressed with your skill set, keep up the good work.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you!

    • @mustardseedsociety
      @mustardseedsociety Před 6 měsíci +1

      Same here - and here's the thing - you really have to be careful who you go fly with. Rich not a problem. Other pilots like the late TFG, absolutely NOT.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      I think you make a good point and very important to consider who you fly with and often overlooked.

  • @bigclosetmusic4925
    @bigclosetmusic4925 Před 6 měsíci +4

    the Big mistake with the use of Check list is that they tend to be used like a "to DO" list. "Flow" in the Flight deck and understanding why something (the system) is on the "checklist" is the key to enhancing Safety in terms of checklist use. Safety = "a level of acceptable risk" Checklists only serve to mitigate some of the risk associated with the Hazards of Flying. Good Job Rich , I'd fly with you any day.

  • @XOrionFE
    @XOrionFE Před 6 měsíci +2

    You are an amazing pilot Rich and provide a lot of inspiration. Just watching the episode where you are training a friend to fly the Cessna Mustang one can really tell the depth of systems knowledge that is needed. A checklist is a great backup to flows but as you stated here, not an operators guide. In the Navy as a flight engineer I was taught flows and in many of our emergency checklists there were specific “memory” items that meant you needed to know how to do them in your sleep not being dependent on a piece of paper when there is no time for it. Now as a private pilot I really appreciate that training. One better understand the systems and emergency flows if they lose an engine on takeoff at less than 500 ft because there is no time to grab a checklist…thank you Rich for the awesome videos.

  • @williamsmith286
    @williamsmith286 Před 6 měsíci +3

    As always,... love your videos,...entertaining and informative!!!

  • @ozelot250
    @ozelot250 Před 6 měsíci +2

    On October 2001 my neighbor was killed when his Cessna 340 twin engine crashed into a residence in San Diego , CA, killing a UPS driver and injuring others. Cause of crash is believed to have been caused by spatial disorientation or possibly an unknown health emergency. I hadn’t flown in many years and had thought about returning to flying again, this really scared me. I decided that I wasn’t going to let this tragedy keep me from flying again. That was two years ago. I got current again and then I bought my first plane a year ago, a Beechcraft Bonanza C35. This accident and others like it are a constant reminder of the hazards involved in flying and not being prepared for the unexpected.

  • @george_scott
    @george_scott Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great video Rich, lots of great points. I'm a low-time (200 hours) recently certificated private pilot and I was not trained to use checklists. I was trained to do flow checks. And to then know what to check for during each phase of flight. I completed my entire private pilot checkride and only pulled out a checklist once, which was during a simulated engine fire emergency. And that was only to confirm the actions I had already performed from memory. I'm also an engineer, and I would not fly a plane single pilot if I was not intimately familiar with all the of the aircraft systems. I have read the Cessna 172 Information Manual cover-to-cover multiple times. Far more important to know your plane than being able to whip out a checklist and execute tasks and not not know why you are doing them. In a real emergency, you need to react immediately, and not fumble around with checklists.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks for the comment - sounds like great training.

  • @JW-gb6hq
    @JW-gb6hq Před 6 měsíci +1

    Happy New Year Rich…appreciated all you did in 23 with your content.👍🏻

  • @guillaumefuentes3184
    @guillaumefuentes3184 Před 6 měsíci +8

    I was expecting this video to come out eventually one day. But surely i did not expected to see this topic adressed like this. This is hands down the best way you could have tackled those unfounded criticisms. Bravo !

  • @antonioserna3776
    @antonioserna3776 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Hey Rich,
    I just wanted to reach out and give you a shoutout for your awesome aviation content. Your dedication and passion really shine through in your videos. there are many of us who appreciate and value the content you create.
    I'm currently working towards my PPL, and your content has been incredibly helpful and inspiring. It's great to see someone sharing their knowledge and experiences in such an engaging way.
    In the near future, I plan on reaching out to you to potentially purchase something for personal use. Your expertise and products are highly regarded, and I'm excited to support your work.
    Keep up the fantastic job, and I look forward to connecting with you soon!
    Cheers to a wonderful holiday season and a prosperous New Year ahead!!

  • @njbpaul
    @njbpaul Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks for posting . Great tips and advice

  •  Před 6 měsíci

    Hey Rich, thank you very much for the channel you keep running. There are probably some people who don't fully understand the format and the meaning of this format. Please continue with your valuable work. Happy New Year!

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      We will continue - thanks for your message and Happy New Year!

  • @neuvella
    @neuvella Před 6 měsíci +1

    Amazing that people have never heard of editing. It's just a matter of time until someone complains that, since you're never shown doing a pre-flight walk-around, you must not be doing them. 😃 Thanks for your content! Happy New Year!

  • @wavetracker68
    @wavetracker68 Před 5 měsíci

    This is Gold. Thanks guys!

  • @johna5087
    @johna5087 Před 6 měsíci +1

    What a great topic,I hope to see more discussions like this . One point that i really took away was Training,Training, Training and more Training . Dont rely on a check list to make you a better and more Proficient Pilot . Take time to practice skills that one day mite help to save you and someone else . I hope everyone has a great and safe New Year!!

  • @LCRider13
    @LCRider13 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Great video, but honestly it never occurred to me that there wasn't video footage of checklists. As an instrument rated pilot who flies a 1994 Saratoga II HP, I watch your videos for the planes and how you perform approaches, etc. Keep up the great work!

  • @mynickels
    @mynickels Před 3 měsíci

    My man, Rich dove head first into this holy war. Great conversation to have. For me it comes down to the pilot, the airplane, and time in type.

  • @matthewgene1114
    @matthewgene1114 Před 5 měsíci

    Rich, I'm a brand new student pilot, and am in preparation for my check ride. Just watching your videos (in my spare time) I have gained so much more confidence and have kept that fire burning within to want to learn more, and continue to better myself.
    I, for one, should know the importance of a checklist at this stage, but at the same time, even I realize it's a tool to ensure my safety and to make sure the aircraft is 'good to go' at that time. Once I leave the ground, that doesn't mean the unforeseeable couldn't happen. Thanks so much for what you do!

  • @deanarndell4609
    @deanarndell4609 Před 5 měsíci

    Happy New Year Team! Great to listen to your discussion about check lists from experienced pilots. Great info, and agree that to know the operational systems of each aircraft type is paramount.
    As this video was released, really sad news about the JAL A350 landing on top of the Dash8 Rescue Team in Japan.
    All the best, cheers 🤙🛩️🌴🌅

  • @jeff27X
    @jeff27X Před 6 měsíci

    Great video Rich! Definitely a topic worth debating. 12,000 hours (C152 - Airbus A320) has taught me to always check the things that will hurt you...flaps, trim, fuel pumps, etc. checklist or no checklist. BUT first and foremost know your systems. I have flown various versions of the Cirrus series of aircraft and I can say that they're checklists are ridiculously long and detailed enough to cause skipping and missing items...in my opinion. Keep up the good work and Happy New Year.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you and thank you for insightful comments!

  • @warwickchristian5682
    @warwickchristian5682 Před 6 měsíci +7

    I was taught flow check lists that were memorised, as well as having an absolute thorough understanding of the aircraft.

    • @ibnewton8951
      @ibnewton8951 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I learned to fly in Rhodesia in the 1970’s. From the time I flew my first instruction flights to my type rating in multi-engine aircraft I never saw or used a checklist. No pilot I ever met used a checklist.
      Instead we used the mnemonic ‘Too Many Pilots Forget How’, Bumpff, Hazel for various stages of operating an aircraft. No one ever got into trouble once these were memorized.
      Agree 100% with you.

    • @SquawkCode
      @SquawkCode Před 6 měsíci +2

      Exactly! 💯

  • @donlyons5279
    @donlyons5279 Před 6 měsíci +7

    The only pilot I know that uses a checklist is the missionary bush pilot in every episode I’ve seen. He even sells a little box on his website for different kinds of planes. Good videos if you have never seen. I understand where you’re coming from when you don’t show this on your videos because you are trying to sell a plane you are flying. Good video!

  • @MAX_AVIATION
    @MAX_AVIATION Před 6 měsíci +5

    Wow, I thought that was Tony Hawk..😂
    Great vid 🤙🏻

  • @alexanderdavidson7837
    @alexanderdavidson7837 Před 6 měsíci +11

    I know of alot of very reputable organisations that focus on flows than checklists for single pilot IFR ops. I hate that you have to justify yourself. It’s a load of shit.

  • @gendaminoru3195
    @gendaminoru3195 Před 6 měsíci

    Convo got real when the "unplanned guest" arrived. Good video. Many pilots escape into either avionics or checklists and ignore the three priorities; "aviate, navigate, communicate." But checklists are extremely thought out by the OEMs and in situations you don't have time to be philosophical about them but they do keep people from neglecting systems / configs. Keep the flight routine and consistent and don't become cavalier about checklists and don't get complacent even in un-complex birds. Even before that consideration, know your machine and its limits. Happy New Year and fly safe.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      OEM’s have also incorporated mitigation of liability in checklists which I find less efficient, effective. Engine fire light (engine fires on PT6/Caravan almost 0) on a Caravan - checklist says shut the engine down. Bleed air leak on fire loop a much more likely source of fire light. An example of knowing the systems well to be able discern best course of action.

  • @william_ochieng
    @william_ochieng Před 5 měsíci

    Hey Rich, I totally agree with you. Also, you are an awesome pilot and let no one tell you or make you feel otherwise. I'd fly with you any day any time.
    I learn alot from your videos and this Q&A was great.
    Please produce more whenever you can. I love how your content is honest and unscripted.

  • @budowens6478
    @budowens6478 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Keep up the good work, you’re a hell of a good pilot.

  • @mattf49006
    @mattf49006 Před 6 měsíci +1

    A very needed conversation about piloting...

  • @chrismeardi-rr7gv
    @chrismeardi-rr7gv Před 4 měsíci

    Great video! Plus a gorgeous Cirrus in the background 😎🤣

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 4 měsíci

      Special, one of a kind, Chris Meardi Signature Edition!

  • @gatestpilotpaulmsouthwick7012
    @gatestpilotpaulmsouthwick7012 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Rich, your videos and comments are fantastic. I really forward to them and always learn something from them. Keep up the great work. I suspect most of the so-called critics have about 2 hours of flight time as student pilots in a 152 or LSA under their belt!

  • @wayne9638
    @wayne9638 Před 5 měsíci +1

    such a great video, flying is a mindset for sure

  • @pilotmattincanada
    @pilotmattincanada Před 6 měsíci +1

    I think I’ve been very fortunate in my aviation career as a pilot and have experience around the maintenance side too. I’m not AME or A&P, but I have been around the hangar working with the engineers and learning from them about the systems and what issues to look for. As pilots in training we only learn the basics about the systems and that’s enough to just kill ourselves.

  • @mikegreene4152
    @mikegreene4152 Před 5 měsíci

    As an aspiring student pilot (planning to commence training in earnest soon pending med clearance), I found this discussion to be extremely important and instructive. Thank you for putting this out here.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks and enjoy your training. Checklists are valuable resource especially for a new pilot, but my advice is to invest in developing knowledge beyond the checklist, and don’t fall for any security in your flying based on using a checklist for what should become practical flow from understanding the systems relative to the phases of flight!

  • @ericsd55
    @ericsd55 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Exactly. Sause: 121 driver and checkairperson and D55 driver

  • @lostinasia25
    @lostinasia25 Před 6 měsíci

    In primary training i would say checklists are absolutely necessary. What i learned in primary is "Cockpit Flow" before engine start. Going over trim, rudder trim everything including initial frequencies. Then use checklist to verify and engine start.
    To me the biggest enemy is the Hobbs meter. Paying big bucks sitting on the ground, engine running and adjusting everything, radios etc.
    The more advanced you move up, retract, multi, jet require checklists and Memory Items for emergency or "Gumps" in each phase of flight requires different memory items.
    Flight Levels also require phase of flight checklist. V1,V2 start with additional memory items and Cockpit briefings in event of emergencies.
    The faster the aircraft, the more ahead you need to be. I always say to myself, "What Are The Next Two Things I Need To Do" ? A pilot is always busy.

  • @jamesharkness1058
    @jamesharkness1058 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I believe currency and confidence weigh into this discussion also. I’m extra “vigilant “ if I am new to the airplane or if I have been out of the cockpit for awhile due to a stretch of bad weather etc.

  • @ProPilotPete
    @ProPilotPete Před 6 měsíci +4

    So many keyboard warriors out there. I get it often on my channel. I’m saving this video to use the next time a commenter does it to me. Checklist have there place but flows backed up with them is better technique. Doesn’t performing a GUMPS check count as a checklist? Looking down at a written checklist isn’t always appropriate. Thanks for the open talk about it. 😊

    • @SquawkCode
      @SquawkCode Před 6 měsíci +2

      Right on PPP!!! 👍👍

  • @billjones3071
    @billjones3071 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Your videos are awesome don’t concern yourself with peoples opinions that most likely are not pilots

  • @davidkollins8791
    @davidkollins8791 Před 5 měsíci

    Nice Video! Would definitely like to see more of these " hanger talk" videos for channel content. I agree with much of what you are saying in this video, and due to the flying you do as a single pilot in LA airspace, I hope a checklist would be the last thing on your mind during normal operations. However, you have to consider the liability of not using a checklist. If something were to happen and an investigation was to find that a checklist was never used, the NTSB or insurance companies might question that. Regardless of that, on the first day of flight training, we are taught to Aviate, Navigate, then only once you can... Communicate. Sometimes, you need more time to do a checklist in the dynamic, fast airplanes you fly, which you don't really get in the environment you are in. Rather, I see a "flow-verify" approach, which, in my opinion, is the only way to fly a single pilot turbine or jet in LA airspace. Thanks!

  • @jerryuma
    @jerryuma Před 5 měsíci +1

    I would feel safer riding with Rich over any other pilot on CZcams. He is the best pilot i`ve seen.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thank you - happy new year!

    • @jerryuma
      @jerryuma Před 5 měsíci

      @@FlyingwithRich Happy New Year 😊

  • @cigarsboozeandnews9726
    @cigarsboozeandnews9726 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Screw the trolls! Best channel on the internet!! Professional av8r Rich.

  • @gtmako
    @gtmako Před 6 měsíci +2

    great Conversation

  • @deancook6832
    @deancook6832 Před 6 měsíci +6

    I wouldn't worry about it Rich. There seems to be a never-ending supply of internet trolls that take some sort of pleasure at trying to pick apart the youtubers. Check out the story of the idiot who reported Premier1 Driver to the FAA and there have been many others. A famous man I greatly admire once said that if you choose to put yourself out in the public whether on traditional media or the internet, you had better have a thick skin.

    • @Parr4theCourse
      @Parr4theCourse Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yep…..

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Great perspective. I think there are some good discussions to be had about checklist use so that’s one criticism I thought I could say something about. Thanks for your message!

  • @patricklund6497
    @patricklund6497 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great content - since I changed to gliding there is now far more emphasis on eventualities self briefings rather than lengthy check lists per se - the King Air incident was perhaps caused by an arrogant pic who ignored any W&B checks, no pre take off briefings of possible eventualities or even setting prop lever friction or noticing one of his prop levers moving to idle etc ie gradual haphazard sops ingrained by his poor practices over many years- ignoring all standard checks and even any essential briefing of crew will lead to fatality, sooner or later

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks for the message and sad but true commentary on the King Air.

  • @SMcda
    @SMcda Před 6 měsíci +2

    Yeh, internet trolls. Only you and the skilled pilots you fly with would know if your use of checklists is deficient..my speculation is you are on point. It's obvious to most of us the videos are edited to keep on topic, showcasing a particular aircraft. Keep up the great videos.

  • @mikeschwartz6433
    @mikeschwartz6433 Před 5 měsíci

    I’ve watched many of your videos and that question has never popped into my head. Now that I think about it, the only time I can recall you using one was demonstrating single engine operation on the DA42. So, I know you use them when the situation is appropriate and just not winging it because you think you know.

  • @chriscarter2138
    @chriscarter2138 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Sorry to see you address trolls. I would bet you could fly a Persian rug. Just keep doing what you do.

  • @mitchellfamily3899
    @mitchellfamily3899 Před 5 měsíci

    I'd be curious if a takeoff briefing was conducted in the King Air accident. The TOLD card is a sort off checklist. Reviewing how abnormal situations will be conducted prior to V1 and after should prep the mind, reduce the panic, and give the PIC an immediate reaction.
    High time pilots of advanced aircraft don't necessarily have the best stick and rudder skills. Some do, some don't.
    And the use or non usage of a checklist does not equate to their systems knowledge, apples and oranges.
    Lastly, I wouldn't look to an aircraft sales video as instruction, it's just an overview of what's available at a price point.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks - good points, and I agree. I would add that I see take-off briefings as a great tools, but also see pilots reciting the standard “take-off brief” taxiing toward the runway, but question the practical value of it in the event of a real emergency on take off. It’s along the same lines as my point with checklists. Thanks for watching!

  • @12romeo53
    @12romeo53 Před 5 měsíci

    Agree. Checklists don’t fly planes, pilots do. Several years I removed most of my checklist review from my channel for brevity and entertainment value. (But I still use checklists every time I fly.). Many years ago, my CFI told me to fly the plane without a checklist - very insightful. Try it sometime with your CFI.

  • @0akgrove
    @0akgrove Před 5 měsíci

    I thought from the start that your videos were edited and they were mainly a sales tool. My main question that has crossed my mind but never asked is what kind of rating(s) you hold. You seem to have immense ability to fly all types of aircraft.

  • @anemazoso
    @anemazoso Před 6 měsíci +4

    Flow

  • @cj2driver
    @cj2driver Před 6 měsíci +1

    Rich, I couldn’t agree more with you. When I progressed further in my flying career and started flying larger and faster airplane I was taught to know the systems inside and out. Learn a flow on the phases of flight and if need be back it up with a checklist. It seems to me the ones bitching about checklists are either very low-time in their careers or keyboard jockeys that have never flown an actual airplane. Most are probably just jealous that they will never fly the planes you do and just need to be mad about something.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      You are probably right and nice to hear comments with a deeper understanding of flying!

  • @dwykejack1279
    @dwykejack1279 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You can be my wingman anytime Rich 🤘

  • @briankjenkins
    @briankjenkins Před 6 měsíci +1

    It’s edited videos, maybe Rich does the checklist off camera. There’s a thought 🤔. Good gosh just enjoy the amazing airplanes and flying.

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson3758 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Rich in all the ride along with you in different places in Aircraft on your videos and profile as follow through the flows of the check list very professional pilot way . Happy New Year 2024 that I’m going to flying with you again

  • @droge192
    @droge192 Před 6 měsíci

    Rich, thanks for the video. You have to do your own version of aviation, with your own understanding of safety. CZcams will always attract armchair 'pilots' with countless opinions. I've watched your channel from the start and it's clear to me that you're an experienced, safe pilot. I suggest you add the text that all pilot content creators are adding in their video descriptions now; "this video is edited and may not show full safety procedures. Not for training. For entertainment only". Keep doing what you're doing.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you! Happy New Year!

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +3

      I hate succumbing to the obvious with disclaimers. It’s like car owners manuals used to tell you how to adjust the valves, now they are full of disclaimers like, don’t drink gasoline.

    • @BobC250
      @BobC250 Před 5 měsíci

      @@FlyingwithRich - Very true! Our culture has gone crazy in that regard.

  • @mustardseedsociety
    @mustardseedsociety Před 6 měsíci

    In all the "Fly with Rich" videos I've ever watched, NEVER once have I thought "wow, this guy doesn't use a checklist". When I watch a "Fly with Rich" video, what my brain keeps asking {if one could hear my thoughts LOL} is "how on earth does this guy know how to fly so many different aircraft like it's nothing ??". That absolutely just amazes me to no end. I guess when you become such a competent pilot, perhaps all airplanes are basically the same. I guess that means I'm not even in Rich's league LOL.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you - I think it’s a combination of a lot of things but mostly really dedicated to flying and instructing for the last 38 years. If you do something long enough, you get the hang of it eventually! That experience brings to light other dangers - complacency, over confidence, and invincibility.

  • @dillionmarks1601
    @dillionmarks1601 Před 5 měsíci

    @flyingwithrich folks are acting like you a mayhem on the Allstate commercials if you don’t visually show use of the checklist 🤣🤣

  • @Chris-ev7xo
    @Chris-ev7xo Před 6 měsíci

    I would have loved to ask a question well the three of you were sitting there. But here goes do you consider flows a form of checklist . I don't know how they say you don't use a checklist , I hear you on landing repeat the landing checklist like 3 or more times GUMPS

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      I believe using a flow is a great checklist technique!

  • @ca_pilot
    @ca_pilot Před 6 měsíci

    People take the structured environment of airlines and two-pilot cockpits and try to cram it into the chaotic single pilot GA environment. It's called cargo culting and it's not going to work. Flow checks is the bread and butter of safe and efficient single pilot ops. Feel free, if workload permits to follow up with a checklist, but there will definitely be be a lot of times when that is way down the priority list.

  • @Parr4theCourse
    @Parr4theCourse Před 6 měsíci +1

    Keyboard warriors strike again!

  • @tgauperaa
    @tgauperaa Před 3 měsíci

    First of all: I am not a pilot, and I respect Rich’s vast experience and great flying skills. To me this video seems to signal that checklists are for low time pilots, and that is more important to learn the systems etc.. and that checklists won’t help you if you’re suddenly in a situation that requires a cool head and quick action. Correct me if I have misunderstood . I can’t but think that this is not a question of either or? We should expect pilots to understand the systems and procedures, and not to reach for a checklist when there is a potentially dangerous situation that needs to be dealt with immediately, and where looking at a checklist could make it worse. But apart from that: won’t using checklists as a preventive measure, particularly when flying many different aircraft, make any pilot a safer pilot?

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 3 měsíci

      Main point is that reading a checklist and doing what it says should give you the illusion that you are now a safe pilot. A student pilot can read a checklist and flip the appropriate switch on day 1. By all means use checklists to verify what you are doing and double check you haven’t missed anything. If you understand the phase of flight you are in and the systems you are engaging with, you should be able to prepare the airplane without relying on a checklist.

  • @ricardorabello2459
    @ricardorabello2459 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Ricardo rabello juiz de fora Brasil abraço

  • @bigclosetmusic4925
    @bigclosetmusic4925 Před 6 měsíci

    I think it was Dirty Harry that Said "...Mans got to know his limitations"

  • @BonanzaPilot
    @BonanzaPilot Před 5 měsíci

    The use of a checklist isn't always the safest use of time. Departing or arriving into congested airspace, spending time looking down at a checklist can be hazardous. When workload settles down the checklist comes out to clean things up. Modern high performance aircraft are designed around that. A misconfigured aircraft will have CAS messages and even a loud voice that yells "no-takeoff" or "gear". Big things like gear being down or flaps at an intermediate setting a pilot should notice and be able to figure out on their own based on performance. I generally will pull out a checklist but it isn't until my workload has subsided, if I don't use it I find myself missing little things like a taxi light.

  • @h2oski1200
    @h2oski1200 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I'd bet 5 out of 10 people who comment on not using checklists aren't even pilots. 4 out of 10 are student pilots and the remaining 1 out of 10 is just "that type of person".

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Probably true - at least now I have a video I can point to for explanation. I think checklists use is largely over played on CZcams as well - like if you show yourself using checklist, you’ve checked that box so you are a safe pilot.

  • @steveuk1281
    @steveuk1281 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Apologies for a slightly different view on this. I'm a pilot in training, so I accept I can't possibly post with any degree of authority whatsoever. So I take a higher level view on this. I watch Rich to see a wide variety of aircraft being flown, not to learn how to fly! This is clearly not an instructional/process channel. These days everyone has an opinion. Gees what's next? He shouldn't be talking to cam, he should be concentrating on flying and situational awareness?? Videos are edited. Would you rather see a 15 min review of a CJ with 9 minutes of it being a checklist?? Great work Rich, don't change

  • @deltadeltas4558
    @deltadeltas4558 Před 6 měsíci +1

    sounds like the social media trolls got to you. Sorry about that. I’ll be your wingman any day mav..

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Maybe just a little bit - but now I can point to video instead of replying to comments!

    • @deltadeltas4558
      @deltadeltas4558 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FlyingwithRich Really enjoy your videos. So much so I’d enjoy seeing you film during your flights to lunch more often to see different lunch spots. But I’m sure that that is way more hassle than it’s worth when the object is to demonstrate the aircraft. Anyway, keep the videos coming. I think you stomped on the trolls in perfect fashion. Social media is necessary these days for business but you have to wade through the trolls to get to the target audience.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci

      Well said - thank you. We’ll try to do some lunch spot reviews!

  • @FlyingNDriving
    @FlyingNDriving Před 6 měsíci +1

    ADM and risk assessment. Always getting yourself out of sticky situations might not be an indicator of a good pilot. Know how to avoid situations that require you to "do that pilot stuff"

  • @schroyerta
    @schroyerta Před 6 měsíci +1

    I’m not here to watch you read a check list. The airplanes are what I want to see and watch. To be honest I think the people that cry about wanting to see CZcamsrs use check list in the video or clear a gun at the first of a video are either new or have never progressed past the beginning stages of learning the crafts.

  • @wayne9638
    @wayne9638 Před 5 měsíci

    wow I would have thought that would be obvious that the check lists are used as needed and probably edited out, most very experienced pilots dont just rote checklists they have a deeper understanding of what they are doing, experienced pilots often use checklist to check the actions they have already performed

  • @aevdave
    @aevdave Před 6 měsíci +1

    shame this is necessary. obviously an accomplished pilot who has type ratings and check rides every year. Only suggestion is to stop reading the comments :)

  • @wyatt92563
    @wyatt92563 Před 6 měsíci +1

    There is NO WAY you could fly so many different types of aircraft without referencing checklists! I know you do! Your CZcams channel is about the love of aviation. It’s not about training. You’re being trolled by nubes. How sad for them.

  • @briand3837
    @briand3837 Před 5 měsíci

    A pretty ridiculous argument. When flying you need to be the master of the aircraft. Knowing the systems extremely well to handle any emergencies. You fly many different aircraft and it would be wise to know more than just what they generally do in a category. Before each segment of flight especially the more accident prone ones it never hurts to familiarize yourself with the checklist prior to engaging in that activity, you have the time. I guarantee you a well experienced surgeon will pull together all possible bits of information and review how the operation will flow prior to entering the room. My experimental aircraft that I built only had about 4 items on the pre-takeoff checklist and I reviewed it every time. I did not want to get out of the habit of using a checklist and becoming complacent.

  • @komrad1983
    @komrad1983 Před měsícem

    Forget about modern internet armchair pilots, they will cry and nag for any reason and if you don't give them a reason - they will find one. Society is getting dumber and you need to have it in BIG LETTERS - this is an edit of a video, we use checklists, etc. It's a psychological thing of a modern reality: HA! I found it, I saved the world, I am better, smarter etc. I pity them

  • @robertszelestey4529
    @robertszelestey4529 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Not real good arguments. Dale Snodgrass, a 6500 hour former Top Gun instructor, died because he didn't use a checklist and tried to take off with his gust lock installed. Just saying. Nonetheless, I'm still a fan of your channel.

    • @SquawkCode
      @SquawkCode Před 6 měsíci +3

      Yeah he failed to pre flight the plane, failed to check controls and failed about four other flows before engine before taxi before takeoff!

    • @johnqdoe
      @johnqdoe Před 6 měsíci +2

      They did make good arguments. You believing that a checklist was the key to saving that pilot’s life is unrealistic naïveté

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 6 měsíci +2

      I would argue that he became complacent and was rushed on the same flight, bad combination - a simple flight control check who most student pilots understand the importance of very early in primary training, would have changed the outcome. Long before his crash, I learned that if I’m feeling rushed, I make sure to use a checklist, but then I learned that you can rush a checklist too. I have seen many times students/experienced pilots “use a checklist” but miss things. A couple of the main points in the video, don’t rely on checklists to save you, religious use of a checklist does not make you a more competent, safe pilot.

  • @Mike4444x
    @Mike4444x Před 5 měsíci

    Complacency starts with avoiding checklists.

    • @FlyingwithRich
      @FlyingwithRich  Před 5 měsíci

      Interesting statement, pretty broad/vague. I think you could argue complacency could start many places including life in general, flight planning, maintenance, training, proficiency to name a few. If you fall victim to complacency, I’m not sure you can argue it starts and is compartmentalized to avoiding checklists. Not really my point either - if you are inferring that I avoid or am advocating avoiding checklists, you would be incorrect.

  • @reyray7184
    @reyray7184 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I only know two kinds of pilots.
    One is the "good pilot" who is a natural but becomes over confident and complacent like they are driving a car. Now some of these guys are former military and their complacency comes after literally tens of thousands of hours air time. These aren't the guys I'm talking about really but rather the guys who have only hundreds of hours before becoming super complacent. Those guys crash like 99% of the time checklist or not and it's almost always fatal.
    The other kind of pilot is the complete opposite of the above, one who is 100% by the book no matter how annoying or time costly. In my experience that guy never crashes or at least if they do it's a mechanical issue or some other problem completely out of their control and they almost always walk away.
    In either case it comes down to the seriousness of the pilot overall and whether they are ahead or behind the plane when in flight.

  • @Factory400
    @Factory400 Před 6 měsíci

    I struggle to find respect for the dominant line of thinking in this video on the topic of check-lists.