DIY Brembo big brakes Civic & Integra
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- In this episode we get the budget brembos on the budget time attack Civic. This is a bolt (with one small adjustment) brake setup for any 5th/6th Gen civic and DC chassis Integra running 5lug.
Brembo caliper: 2010-2016 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track front calipers.
Rotors: 2017 Nissan Rogue w/3rd row seat
Hope this is useful to everyone - Auta a dopravní prostředky
after getting into a collision with my GSR with stock brakes, i needed to upgrade to something better for my brake setup. This video helped out a lot
Great video bro! Keep up the good diy vids
Wow , this brake setup is by far the easiest one ive seen 💯
Very useful! Thanks for posting!
My man! you just saved my from drilling holes on My rsx! MVP right here
Glad you found this in time!! Hope you enjoy the amazing brake upgrade.
@christian hernandez did you ever attempt this on the rsx?
welcome to my new favorite channel !
Hey Thank you!!
@@FFAttack thanks alot for content ! alot of stuff ppl say in forum you put to life in these vids and debunk some of the rumors ive heard for yrs
I’m trying! Really glad you like it and find value in it.
@@FFAttack definitely do ! because these type of builds make great street car builds too. By just finding good oem parts that work great with little mods or no mods
I second that. Can't thank FFAttack enough for this video and his knowledge and tutorials.
Subbed and excited!
Great details
Exciting
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this setup will fix into 16 inch wheels? good work!
Thank you so very much for the detailed video! I have a couple of questions if you have the time. First is, which rear brakes are you using, are you using a bias adjuster and finally, what size wheel/offset/width are you using? Thanks again! You have a new subscriber in me!
I’m using stock GSR rear brakes with a Tilton prop valve. Wheels are 17x10 et18.
@@FFAttack that's good information. Thank you very much for replying!
God daaamn🤤
wow!! you have very nice content!! What options did you consider before going to this setup? What do you think about Willwood's DPHA kit?
Well I had looked at FastBrakes Stoptech kit and the ASR AP kit. Both where very cost prohibitive for me being on a tight budget so where ruled out. I then looked at the Acura TL 4 pistons but a few people and things turned me off of them. From a size and bang for buck this setup I have put together is hard to beat. Sorry I do not know much about Wilwood kits. Thanks for the positive feedback on the content, I’m having fun making it and sharing.
@@FFAttack awesome! 💪💪
Thank you for this info it will help with my time attack cb7 since it it is the same bolt spacing with the itr spindle. What is the recommended rotor diameter for this?. Is their a range that works.
Anyone know if these calipers bolt up to the 90'-93' Integra spindles?
1/2 mm is irrelevant. Don't worry about a shim that small. Great DIY. Thanks
Thank you, I was not sure so error on the side of caution.
Wonder if the rear would work
Any word on installing Brembo calipers on the rears?
Hey great video had no idea this set up was a thing so the machine shop made the bore smaller or added to it to fit the rotor ?
They had to machine a small amount off the cantering ring of the hub. I also could have had that taken off the rotor instead but wanted to make it so I could get a replacement rotor anywhere and just swap it on if I had a failure on track.
What about a 4 lug rotor? What sizes fit only 12.6”?
Does anyone know if those calipers would directly bolt on to a '07 crv?
Hi great content btw ... would the oem genesis brembo pads work? Instead of the g loc pads or is there a difference between them. Thanks and also I'm still on the 4 bolt hub not type r on my dc2 any other rotor that you know might fit
Stock Genisis pads will work fine. This car is strictly for track so stock pads would not work. No options I know of for a rotor in 4x100. You would likely need to red till the 5 bolt rotors to 4x100. Glad you like the content!
@@FFAttack thanks for the reply ill look into it 16.8mm disc if I can find one ill let you know
Hello sir.. Kudos to you.. For this; I have a 1998 JDM itr 5x114 pcd with 36mm driveshaft.. Would this set up be suitable for my car without any further modifications? Thank you for help.. 👍
You will need to slightly machine the centre bore of the hub like I did in the video or the rotor to fit over it. It’s a very spall amount and any machine shop can do it.
Would these brembo calipers work well with the base model mini cooper rotors that a lot of people commonly use as a big break upgrade for civic/integras? I believe those rotors are 280mm which is ~11" and are 4x100
No they won’t, the Callipers is made for a much larger sweep. Stock the Genesis runs 13” rotors so putting a 11” rotor in them will not work. This setup I did runs a 12.5” rotor if I remember correctly. In the video I compare them to my TypeR rotors that are the same size as the mini ones.
Hi! Does anyone know what's the width of the rotor?
In your honest opinion how well do these perform once they get hot? I also have a k swap ek civic with the Porsche calipers on my four lug set up but I want to go 5 lug to run 17inch wheels. Thinking about using the crv knuckle for the front. Trying to determine what front brake set up to go with, seen the TL set up, genesis set up, or maybe go with fast brakes on a custom set up but that’s easy 2k dollars.
The track I use to drive on was known for being a brake killer, lots of slow corners with little straights so no time to really cool the brakes in a lap. These handled it just fine. Last year I removed the dust seals on the pistons as they like to catch fire. I just drop a drip of brake fluid on each piston to keep the seals fresh. I have run these for a 45min session in 32c weather and not had brake fade. I do have corvette brake ducts (have a DIY on them). So I have a steady flow of cool air. Pads are really important too, the G-Loc R16’s take all I can toss at them. Now that I run on less brake abusing track I’m not worried about this setup handling heat at all.
what is the spindle spacing on the ITR?
anyone know if this will work with a 22 civic si?
I don’t know if someone can confirm that my idea would work.
Can I use rsx base 32mm bearing and hub in a type-r (crv) knuckle. ?
Than I would only have to make a ring to make it hubcentric with the rotor. (64.1 to 68)
What? Just put the rsx hub in your stock knuckle. They all use the same bearing.
8th and 9th gen fit on also ?
Will the brembo rears for a genesis work for the integra?
In the rear of an Integra? If so I have no idea. The rear brakes are more than enough stock.
What rotor can I use if staying 4 hole rotors? It would be for a Integra LS coupe.
You can use the Rogue rotors as outlined in this, you just need to get them red re-drilled to 4x100.
Looks like the caliper is going to be on upside down? I believe the small piston is supposed to be at the oncoming rotor side with the brake bleed up.. This to prevent pad beveling as I recall.
Bleeder is up, no issues with pad wear so far.
any chance you can make a clearance profile off the brake with the anchoring point being the wheel hub?
I need this ive been commenting this on all the videos i see 😅
If I’m going from a 4 lug to 5 lug in the front what rear hubs can I uses to match the 5 lung that would fit my 92 eg? Or is there a wheel I can buy that would fit both stud patterns?
I still have 4x100 rear, my car runs 17x10 front and 17x8 rear so I’ll never be rotating the wheels and tires front to rear anyways. Generally to do 5x114.3 rear you need ITR stuff.
@FFAttack you can always go CR-V front knuckles and prelude SH rear hubs on stock eg/da/dc trailing arms.
What size wheels you used to clear the caliper
I’m running 17x10’s et18 on my car. Fitment will really come down to the specific wheels. 17x9 RPF1’s do not fit but 17x9 Konig Hypergrams do. That’s all I have tested.
I have a d series track built ek. Considering this upgrade. Will the stock axles mate with the crv spindle ?
I think you'd need CRV knuckle, CRV bearing. RSX base model Hub wich is 32mm axle. The Type S RSX hub is 36mm
I have a TSX and thinking to purchase these Genesis Brembos too. However, I am wondering if you would know the pistons sizes of the brembos, since we have to swap them left to right if the brembos have different size calipers it will mess up the balance right?
The pistons on the Genesis Brembo’s are all the same size. They do not have a leading and trailing piston size on each so swapping sides has no ill effect.
@@FFAttack For brake pads, are the just same with the STI or EVO pads?
RaphaelYC they are GP1001 pads the same as STI/ EVO as far as I can tell.
@@FFAttack Hey just received my rotors, pads and calipers. The pads seems to be bigger than the rotors surface will that be a problem?
If ain't wrong you could use ep3 ctr or rsx-s hubs wich have 64mm center 🤔🤔
That’s correct, when you have the larger Wheel bearing CRV/ITR spindles you can direct swap the hubs. I’m in the process of doing that now so I can run the slightly larger (07-12) Sentra SE-R specV rotors.
Hi would the Hyundai Santa Fe Dm Brembo calipers work as well for this set up?
Thanks
No idea, never seen them or tried.
Hi. I read all the comments and In what your videon3 times. I know you said the rotors come from a Nissan rouge with 3d row seat. Now. No one asks here, the year of the Nissan and model. Wen, you try to get the rotors, those are the info you need to get the right ones. Did you still have that info? I will be the rotors part number?
Thanks. I'm looking forward to upgrading my Crv 4wd turbo brakes.
Thanks for that I updated the show notes with the year I used. It was a 2017 MY
What master cylinder/Brake booster setup are you running?
I have a 1” Integra master and the factory Civic booster.
Where can I find these calipers? eBay hasn't shown me anything less than $1700 USD from spain
I guess they have become popular for some reason 😉. Look on Rock Auto, a few I know have got them from there.
That's the biggest I've seen on a civic
Hey would this brake kit fit a Honda civic 1998 LX model?
Depends on hubs and wheel size.
Plz tell me where you get the brake line ? Thanks
It’s just a beaded steel like kit for a EM1 Civic.
I have a db7 integra do you know which calipers I can use for my car I'm having trouble finding them
I’m sorry I’m not sure about the db7.
Got a question I have 2011 Hyundai Genesis R Spec Calipers are they all the same and what diameter where the rotors
I believe all the R Spec calipers are the same. The rotors I used are 12.5”z
Hey the setup will work for 1999 crv
Yes it will, this car has CRV hubs and spindles, just needs wheels to clear them.
Any issues with noise from the brake swap? I've been reading on a forum and there were several complaints about a squealing noise.
My car is a track only car so yes I have some brake noise using race pads. Not sure about on road, I know a few with them on dual purpose cars with out complaints.
what do you do for the rear on a regular integra
The rear Integra disc brakes are ample for most cars. I have had no issues with mine and this setup.
What 4x100 rotor can I use for that brake caliper
Not sure there is a direct cross over. I went 5 x 114.3 to get this to work.
For brake line you use itr aftermarket line or custom?
ITR but the callipers will accept any Honda banjo line connection.
What other brake pad could work with the set up
Any pad for a track pack Hyundai Genisis, Subaru STI or EVO.
hello this calipers fit in a honda civic type R ep3? thx
Sorry I do not know, I think it will with the same rotor I used but have not tried it.
What do you use for your rears?
Just Integra GSR disk breaks.
What hubs are you using? 36mm itr? Or USD 32mm itr
36mm CRV/ITR hubs.
If I have the 4 lug on my integra usdm (dc4) will this work? How can I do it with 4 lug?
You could probably see if a machine shop will re drill the rotors. Other than that I’m not sure.
@@FFAttack ah ok. Thanks !!
would these work on a 9th gen civic si?
I’m not sure.
Tell us about this titanium plate please. What are the claims?
I’ll cover off the claims and what they are once I have them in hand. I’ll probably have them in a future episode.
@FFAttack did you make a video yet? Please attach link if so.
Can I use tl rotors and brakes with those calipers
No idea.
I can find genesis calipers locally but on left side is available? Can I buy two left side calipers?
No, you need both calipers. If you put two left caliper installed then only the left on will work properly. Installing a left caliper on the right side will place the brake bleeder valve upside down. The brake bleeder valve must be on top or else the brakes will not bleed the air out properly.
@@thomaspotemciano bleed the calipers off the car similar to what we do with rsx rear calipers on DC integra.
Am I going remove the abs or will it still work
I’m not sure, my car came without ABS. Generally a brake change like this will not effect ABS. The CRV hubs used have the ABS tone rings on them.
Can i just use a type s rotor?
I did not try them and believe they are smaller but 20mm.
What about the rears does genesis rear fit in the rear
Can’t help you with that sorry.
Its work with 16’ wheels?
It really depends on the wheel, I have not tested this with any 16” wheels.
Figment for DC5?
Not sure, I know others have made it work on a 8th gen civic.
Can these calipers work with 4 lug nut hub & rotor?
Calipers would but you won't find a rotor of this size in 4 lug
Will these calipers fit the 9th gen civic?
I hear they do but I have never done so myself.
Have you tried fitting 16inch wheels with this big brake kit?
Zack T you need a minimum inner wheel barrel diameter of 385mm if you have that then you will need to make sure the spokes of the wheel clear. I have no 16’s to check fitment with.
Currently I don’t have wheels, this Covid19 shut down has slowed the wheel purchase. I have spoken with Konig and plan to run the 17x10 Hypergram wheels over these. I had them check and a 17x9 will also clear.
Yeah it’s tough to say, do you want me to take some measurements off my hub so you can see if they are close?
These brembo calipers are very similar to ones subaru uses. With subarus with STI Brembo swap generally anything 16" dont fit. But Ive heard people running 16x8 or larger with some machining work done to make them clear 4pot calipers. But generally the rule is 17x7 or larger on for brembo 4 pots calipers
helpful, tks
Can the 15 inch CTR wheel be used with this big break kit ?
I doubt it, they won’t fit under a lot of 16/17” wheels.
@@FFAttack thanks its not worth it then im not putting 17s on my EM1
How is the pad coverage w the Rogue 12.6” rotors? Trying to determine if the 12.44” rotors from the 09-12 mini JCW would work for 4 lug folks. Do the rogue rotors have the same offset from the hub mounting face?
With out trying it I could not tell you for sure. I believe you would have a lot of pad overhang if you ran it on a 12.44 rotor.
@@FFAttack measurement wise it should be around 2mm overhang depending on the pad. Not optimized but should be functional in theory? Based on technical drawings I can find, the caliper should work with a pad shim on each side to take up some thickness. Might order a rotor from Rogue and Mini to compare 1:1
Yes your right, sorry I was thinking the smaller Mini rotor, that would not be bad. On my setup currently I have 1-2mm of pad overhang. Since I inoculate did this I have heard the Sentra SE-R rotors are fit with no pad overhang. I plan to try it when I need to change rotors. Nothing I have seen for 4x100 though.
@@FFAttack which year of Sentra? If I’m ordering to take some measurements, I can try to have a peek
@Luckyblooms I have not dug into it enough yet to know for sure. I was told you also need to run the RSX type S hub with the larger hub centric ring. I believe the 2007 Serra SER Spec-V is the one that is needed. CENTRIC 12142098 Rotor from my quick search.
Do you think 16” wheels would fit over this setup?
Possibly but would be wheel specific, it will be very close if they fit at all. I’m on 17” and needed to be carful what wheel I got to go over the brakes. RPF1 17x9.5 will not clear due to a lip in the barrel.
Why would you even want to fit 16's? 17's are faster cheaper and much much much better tires available.
Totally agree, 16’s did not even weigh into my plans. If you need bigger than 15” it should be straight to 17”.
What year of the Crv to get the spindles??
Any 5 lug 1st generation CRV.
@@FFAttack lower ball joint Can I use Buddy club extended lower ball joint or has to Crv lower ball joint?
Balljoints are all the same.
Would this work on a 9th gen civic si?
No idea, I don’t have one.
How is the brake pedal feel after installation? Did you upgrade the brake master cylinder?
It’s fantastic, firm and much easier to modulate. Breaking distance was much improved as well. I’m still running a stock 1” master.
@@FFAttack Nice! What about the brake bias? Did you adjust anything?
Yes I did redo all the break lines in the car and installed a Tilton prop valve. I have heard about others running on a 40/40 valve with a very low bite rear pad.
@@FFAttack Good to know. Just curious. Why did you redo all the brake lines? And decreasing the brake line pressure for rear brakes would give better brake response?
I redid them to allow the Prop valve and simplify. I wanted to be able to adjust bias easily. Up here we get a lot of wet or damp track days so being able to adjust braking is a good idea. On these Honda’s the factory lines are Married front to back meaning the drivers front is on the same circuit as the passenger side rear and same on the other side. So when you put adjustable prop valve in you kind of need to do the lines. Ideally yes you do need to reduce pressure to the rear when going this big in the front. Going with a low grip rear pad is a bandaid but can work as well.
Would this work on rsx? Spindles?
Would love to know as well, thanks. @FFAttack
I believe if you have a RSX type S and run the Sentra SER Spec-V rotor you can. I have not confirmed this though.
Will the genesis brembos work for my 2020 Honda Civic sport?
I believe they will. Only thing different than here on this video is 2020 Sports have 64.1mm hub centers, so you shouldn't need to machine your hubs down to allow the rotor to fit.
@@jaybud3646 thank you so much bro I already tried it the TL type S rotors fit well with the calipers. I just need bigger wheels to clear
@@bhinosrt8557 I found used Genesis calipers today by some miracle. Bought em and are being shipped out. Here tomorrow hopefully. I have a 19 hatch sport. Nissan Rouge 3rd row rotors ordered as well. Going same route as in the video.
@@jaybud3646 if the new pads don’t clear just sand them down even to make the rotors spin free
@@bhinosrt8557 for sure. Refaced many a pad before. Large knife stone, files/rasps, even used a cinder block once. Firm believer in I'll figure out a way no matter what. I don't give up. Stubborn as a mule, I believe it's called.
Will it work with itr 32 hubs ?
If they are 5 lug I would think so. I did not try it though.
Wat abt 4 lug integra? Wat rotors do I wed plz?
Need*
You will need to re drill the same rotors I used.
will these calipers work on an 8thgen si?
yup. unfortunately they cost much more than the TL-S calipers. from what I can find anyways.
When I got them they where far far cheaper. I guess demand has gone up.
This is all five lug stuff. What about four lug bro?
Honed developments makes a cost effective bracket to adapt Porsche Calipers to a 4x100 Honda. I recommended check them out.
Damn bro thank you for replying...
Ok all the searches I've keep coming back with the CRV hub diameter of 64.1. What hub do you have at 70.1? I'm so confused. Because if the CRV is 64.1 and the Rouge rotor is 68 then you shouldn't have to machine. I'm only asking because I don't have too many machine shops in my area willing to do this.
The wheel Center boar maybe that but the part of the hub the rotor centres on needs to be same as the rotor.
If ain't wrong the crv hubs are 71.X like the jdm itr hub, the thing i think it works is to put the ep3 CTR or the rsx-s (i think are the same) hubs wich fit in that spindle because they have 36mm shaft but the center is also 64.X like regular 6gen civics integras etc, someone correct me if im wrong but recent information i read goes in that direction
That’s correct, I’m putting RSX Type S hubs into my CRV/ITR big bearing spindles. This should get around any need to machine anything then use Sentra SER Spec V rotors.
@@FFAttack have you tried the sentra se-r spec v rotors with the rsx type s hub yet? Looking at specs, the rsx hub is 64mm and the sentra is 68mm still. So the rotor wont be hub centric.
Are these rotors hub or lug centric?
@henrybui6353 not yet, the way the Rouge ones are setup on my car they are hub centric.
What submodel nissan rogue? Man i cant find the rotors at all wtf
2017 Rogue 2.5L w/3rd row seats. Search on Rock Auto for RAYBESTOS 981779R Rotor that will get you into the right area.
@@FFAttack thank you so muchh!!! I found them on rock auto like u said...i picked up some refurbished rebuilt brembos from oreilys.. and now im worried will the rogue rotors fit my accord? I have a 2019 accord 2.0 sport... 64mm hub size.. 5x114 bolt diameter... the nissan rogue rotor is 68mm.. is that still okay? Will they still fit
No idea, only tried them on my 6th gen Civic.
Can I still keep 4x100
If you re-drill the rotor to 4x100
FFAttack the Nissan Rogue 3 row rotor right
Yep
FFAttack what’s the smallest wheel I can run with that set up
With these fit a 2010 Honda Accord?
No idea
@@FFAttack well it was worth a shot lol
It would not cost much to get a rotor and a caliper to test. That’s how I figured this out.
It’s work for my Honda Accord 2005 , this caliper work with all Honda 👍🏼
@@baagomez6595 did the rotors work ok ? I have the same car
Genesis brembo calipers used cost over $500 these days :(
Yep the popularity has gone up recently. I believe you can get remain on Rock Auto for about that now.
what year CRV are those hubs from?
This is out of a 2000. As far as I know all the 1st gen USDM CRV hubs are the same.
@@FFAttack is it safe to say crv hubs and integra/civic hubs are the same bolt patterns size for the calipers besides crv being 5lug? Also how does this compare to the tl Type s brake calipers rotor sizing? I heard u can use type s tl calipers aswell brembos
Yes I believe they are. The CRV does have a larger wheel bearing as well. I did not look to closely as the TL type S stuff as I do not believe it was direct bolt on. Plus I think the Genesis Brembos accepts the larger rotor but don’t quote me on that.
Can you run these calipers on a factory 4x100 hub?
Yes you can, you would need to get the rotor drilled to 4x100 and find a 17” wheel that they fit inside.
Can i run these calipers on 4*100 lugs rotor or its must to have the roque rotors ?
I did the the brake conversion on my ek with integra 4 lugs brake w/calipers , does it fit or need some mods?
@@abdullahr.a9942 need to get these rotors and re-drill to 4x100.
@@FFAttack thanks , good luck
"budget" 700$ calipers second hand
At the time this video was made they were all over EBay for $150 each. I did this complete setup for $500. Compared to anything else this size that’s budget.