What Gun and Ammo I Carry and How Gunfights are WON
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2021
- I get asked the question quite a bit of what ammo is "the best" in different calibers/barrel lengths etc, but often I am asked "What gun do you carry, and what loads?". In this video I will address this question, but I will also share a story from a 2010 article from Guns & Ammo where a study was done on what really happens in a gunfight (and who are the winners typically). Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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At 22:35 I meant to say "In this .357" instead of "In this .327".
great video i think the guy that knows his gun and ammo and knows his enviroment and they are ready first but calm is going to win when you get worked up you make mistakes ive learned carrying a gun be mellow and relaxed because you never know when things gonna happen being alert and aware is best way to stay alive
Knew what you meant.
I have really never paid much attention to the 327 . I see now that I was mistaken ! Good presentation thanks
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No matter what we carry, our mindset is most important. The willingness to fight back, and fight back viciously, without hesitation is vital. Still, the best way to win is to avoid fights at all costs.
That's exactly why I carry a 24 Oz framing hammer in addition to my 45 auto. You haven't seen vicious until you bury the claws of an Estwing hammer into your assailants forehead, handle deep. They all know you mean business. And I agree - no hesitation. As soon as you're pretty sure that they are there to do you harm, you don't say a word. BAM! Hammer to the forehead.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I used to be bad to fistfight and carry on in other stupid ways (drinking too much/too often/in the wrong places, pool hustling, general ne’erdowell stuff), but haven’t in like 15 years and sure hope I never have to again. There’s almost ALWAYS a way to avoid a fight. Most people don’t really want one and won’t take much convincing to just let you leave and forget it. You never know who you’re messing with. You might get shot, beaten to death, or get your guts cut out. There’s also no reason to make the world an even shittier place by making trouble that’s not necessary.
@@brianwilson4861 you've seen "The Punisher" 1 too many times.
@@brianwilson4861 lol, even if you delete it now, that post is going to bite you in the ass so hard if you ever end up in court over self defense. You can pretty much guarantee yourself a one way ticket to state prison when a jury sees that.
L.E. White: I know, right?
I am 70 years old,old school guy.It good to see a young guy talk so senceable.I carry a smith and wesson model 15 and a webley mk 4 in 38sw.I think the man behind the gun and shot placement is the most important! Than you really enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching! My parents are both 70.
@@GunSam I'm almost 70 and don't feel old !!! Have many revolvers in all calibers and would feel very secure with a 6 or 8 shot revolver.
Back in 78 I was issued a Webley Mkiv in 38 SW when I was an armored truck driver in South Africa. Nothing fancy about the gun, but it functioned fine, even after WWII use and abuse.
All three of my gunfights were w/my issued revolver. Two were at night, before night sights and VERY fast so I had no time to look at my sights. The last one was in the lobby of a hotel and I took three aimed shots at a hostage taker from just over arm’s length distance. I guess I was the winner b/c I’ve been retired since 1997 and am enjoying my grandkids. I also pocket carry a stock 340PD (no laser sights) w/my LCP filling in as my needs dictate.
Thanks for the story of your experience!
👏🏻👍🏻
@@GunSam I have health issues, back & hip, that drive my EDC habits too Sam. Pocket carry is my best option w/the lightest gun available making the $900 I paid for the 340PD well worth it. Shoulder holsters are a PIA, belt carry is painful & ankle holsters make my gun almost unaccessible b/c I hobble along on a cane.
dont you think revolvers are obsolete?
@@jmgonzales7701 absolutely not
I read in a gun magazine years ago that back in the 1980s during the good old revolver days the NYPD got a new firearms trainer.. he did two things.. he increased the amount of time the officers trained at the range... And he taught them a method of point shooting for closer ranges using just the FRONT SIGHT... Using the front sight was much more accurate than simply point shooting using no sites.. the NYPD went on to produce a fantastic record on rarely ever losing a gunfight with the bad guys
I had no idea you had that realistic self defender side.... This is the most down-to-earth, smart, well thought, no-nonsense approach to self defense I've seen among the hundreds of super tactical/appendix carry/red dot/hybrid holster/super hi-capacity auto-loaders on ++++P ammo.... *EXCELLENT* 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks!
Great video Sam,I'm a retired NYC Correction Officer,situational awareness is everything. I can spot trouble from a mile away. Always look at a perps hands also. I carry a Glock 48 in winter and a ruger sp101 in the summer.
Thank you.
punks will often try to distract you. what time is it etc. never look away. try to maintain distance. if you cant why not? look for the knife or sucker punch. if your too close you will never see it coming.
NYC is going to the Toilet! As long as they vote for Democrats, just like Chicago, it’s done. 2021 election will make a huge difference. Get it right this time NYC!
Good and very true sir
Dave Spaulding has written several studies on shootings with police. His work is informative and more than well done. Very good source. I attended a lecture he was part of about 20 years ago, learned a lot.
Tell Ruger to make a 3" LCR in 327 and I'll be first in line.
Hope you can find ammo
I'd be happy with a 6 shot .38+p
@@babyblue8214 Buy a Kimber K6s in 357 feed it 38+p and never look back brother
I'm thinking about the Taurus 856 Defender myself.
Ruger makes a 3 inch 327 Federal magnum in the SP101 model
Just like I teach my Jujutsu students, situational awareness is the first layer of a prepared self-defense.
Situational Awareness,
Mindset,
Familiar Equipment,
Practice,
Practice,
Practice.
The reason I believe the 9mm penetrated further is because the wood was braced flat against the water jugs. Energy was used to slide and move the wood for the following 2 shots. It's like when Foreman's trainer held the Heavybag still for him the energy of his punch put holes in the bag, but when no one was holding it, it would swing around the room or up to the ceiling instead of deforming.
Fellow younger (relative...) revolver enthusiast here.. I especially appreciate the duty size barrel ammo tests and I prefer the 3 and 4 inch K-frame and like sized guns. I sometimes have to carry one on a revolver only security post and actually enjoy doing so. Boggles all the tacticool kids on the range I can shoot better scores and reload faster than some of them can with autos when using my Model 64.
My sister has a 64, shot it a few times. Really a plain jane but perfect revolver.
Gave my daughter my model 64. She can keep all six in a three inch group at 30 feet double action rapid fire. Of course, she learned from her veteran Dad!!
Always informative and thought provoking. I'm a Revolver convert.
Be safe, be well.
S4T
Thanks for watching!
Hi Sam, I have a theory about the reason why revolver shooters were the ones that saw their sights: a semiauto is al L shaped box and typically points low or level, due to grip angle, also, on many the trigger is shorter and takes less time to pull. The front sights has to be brought up or is already level and you have a short pull and less time to see it, also, the shape of the gun doesn't help finding it. A revolver comes up front sight first, because of grip angle, so you see it over the gun and bring it down, also, the gun is shaped like a hand pointing a finger, with a very discenrible barrel that you can index. The trigger is long and gives you a fraction of a second more to see those sights.
Youve explained what i always somehow knew. Thats it!
One of the best defensive shooters in law enforcement was Jacob "Jelly" Bryce from Oklahoma. He practiced sufficiently that in close range (in the same room or similar distance) he could hit center of mass on a person without using any sights. He attributed his being alive to that skill on several occasions.
I had an NCO in the Army who had been in quite a few gunfights. He threw out all the standard training crap and taught us how to shoot instinctively and reactively. Most of our shooting was done with the firearm (Beretta 92s) held close to the body or from retention positions without using sights. It translated well to my LEO career
A thought about the discrepancy between Indiana's observation and the FBI'S. Extreme close range favors the attacker. Officers are more likely to be checking an ID or attempting a handcuffing.
GREAT video Sam AND explaining is easy terms to understand for the 'non-gunsmiths' with the ammo dynamics. 'Thank You' so much!
Really enjoyed this video. I like how you follow up your info and show practical shooting other regular people might be able to do.
Your an excellent shot and quite the motivation where I'd like be. Thanks for your videos!
Glad to see your EDC of choice, my LCR in .38 is mine, easy to carry, no jams.
Thanks Sam. It's good to know your methodology. I'm impressed with the accuracy you achieve with instinctive shooting. I need to give it a try.
Always enjoy your level-headed and logical approach to shooting in general.
So many folks just push forward their personal preferences as fact and refuse to consider anything other than what THEY do.
It just isn't possible to have the strongest round, the most rounds, the most accurate, the most accurate for YOU, the best to carry, and on and on, all rolled-up into one firearm. So, we have to make compromises and keep our minds open to things that may differ from what our family, friends, heroes, etc., do.
Me - I like heavy metal objects, I like tradition, beauty, and function. Unsurprisingly to my wife and friends, my favorites in my collection are my revolvers, 1911, Browning 12ga and Henry Golden Boy w/ real and actual wood.
I so look forward to your youtube videos. I shool a Ruger SP101 357 and enjoy all your revolver coverage. I was in an accident that left me partially paralyzed, so not able to rack the semiautomatic pistol with my right arm/hand. Your videos are very informative, so thank you for being so well prepared. So from Gresham, Oregon... Thanks! again,
Gun Sam, that is some fine revolver shooting! The one problem you had with the catch in the draw from your pocket is what I always fear. Good job for you to show it, and continue with the draw and fire.
Glad to see some love for the .327 Fed Mag. Great round, with the added bonus of being able to practice with .32 H&R Mag or .32 SW Long.
Sometimes i carry my j frame in a pocket holster like you, a Desantis nemesis. I only do it when I have big pockets, but to avoid pulling the holster out, I press the gun slightly against my leg as I draw. This creates the friction necessary forthe tackiness of the holster to do the job It was designed for. This also works for jackets with big front pockets.
Wow, I love this presentation! Well done! And now I want a pocket carry .327 now.
Thanks!
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Makes me regret getting the lcr 22lr I just got lol shoot!
Good one Sam this no BS video is why I subscribed to your channel. Inch obliged for sharing your knowledge.
Hey Sam! Your videos are the most knowledgeable on the net, I think you pass Paul Harrell, never heard about 327 until you bring it up. I don't know if these are the best choices but seems the most practical and efficient.
Man, you EXPLAINED HANDGUN BALLISICS! Size of case means different pressures, and weight of bullet means different velocities, yielding delivered power! So a smaller and lighter bullet can hit as hard as a larger one, with better expansion! I already pocket carry a .32 H&R Magnum 3" snubby, but lately I have been thinking I need a Ruger 57 for the velocity and shootabillity/lack of overpenetration. But hey, the .327 Federal ALREADY delivers that in a much smaller package, and more reliably too! By the way, you mentioned the confusion that three-dot sights can produce: I paint a "white outline sight" over all of my rear dots (with typewriter correction fluid!) and paint the whole front sight tip florescent orange---just drop the ball into the cup, and it is fast and plain instinctive, not requiring any fine focus. Thanks for a very useful vid!..............................elsullo
I've always enjoyed 3 dot sites BUT I could see getting em mixed up. My preferred sight system is the Idot from ameriglo, just place one dot on top of other
I have a snubby 6 shot 32 S&W long..very accurate but it's not a .327 mag.. still hunting one..
I have started carrying my 6 shot S&W Long S&W 31-1 2", had been carrying my Glock 42 most of the time.
Absolutely agree Sam,
My primary is a pocket carry LCR .38 special +P and backup with a LCP .380.
Like you, I use the same grip and am confident I can hit my targets from defensive distances.
Great video filled with lots of solid information ... I have carried a .357 mag for over 50 years now and i'm thinking to expand to the .327 Federal mag .. Fine ctg with great performance .. The .327 mag is impressive with 100 grain bullet weight .. ACC #9 powder will drive @ 1507 with 13.0 grains of it from a 6" bbl.. Using Win. 296 powder 13.2 grains will drive the bullet @ 1409 ..
Now one of my favorite loads i carry and shoot a lot is the Speer Gold Dot bullet in 125 grain weight and to have less blast and muzzle flash i use Viht. N. 110 powder and 17.5 grains of it which drives that bullet @ 1370 which is more than enough to do the task at hand .. I have all my shooting and hunting life have carried revolvers and still do to this day and i find no drawbacks with those firearms , i do carry one speed loader with me too .. You did well great video ..
Love your videos. I have my "students" watch your videos to reinforce what I'm trying to teach them. Interesting that you and I both lean towards a small revolver for EDC. Well, I also carry an Officer's 1911 at the same time, and train with both. But your "philosophy" on muscle memory training is similar to mine; I tell them "you will fight the way you train". It's pretty much like any other Martial Art, because face it, it is a Martial Art. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to put these videos up. We really appreciate it. Now, if I can just find me an LCR in .327...
Is the Ruger LCR in .327 still in production?
Good choice Sam, same gun for edc for me.
Thanks.
327 Fed LCR is my EDC and I pocket carry daily. It's easy to carry and has plenty of power (with 6 rds on board vs a 5 shot J frame). Even if I carry a bigger gun, I still have the LCR for a backup (or primary if needed).
The down side used to be that 327 Federal ammo was expensive and hard to find. With the current ammo situation, I'm still able to find 327 on the shelves at my local gun stores. Prices remain in the $30/50 range ammo and $24/20 defense ammo. The last 9mm, 38 spl, or 357 mag I found were running $30+/50 for range ammo and $40+/20 for defense ammo. I haven't seen any 9, 38, or 357 on the shelves for quite some time.
The added benefit is that you can also use 32 S&W, 32 Long, 32 H&R Mag if needed. I have also fired 32 ACP in mine, it is not recommended but possible.
Finding one of these now is next to impossible. When I bought mine pre Chinese virus it took me 6 months to find one. I havent seen one available since the pandemic started.
Convincing! My 642 (no lock) and 856UL, both with green ramps (I pick that color up better) will be sharing space with the .327 LCR soon enough. Excellent presentation, as always.
Thanks!
The .327 Federal Magnum is an often overlooked caliber. It's perfect for a snub nose.
Good thinking-Logic! Thanks for the Videos !
DangerMan said: "Situational awareness is probably the most important thing." Then of course is ALWAYS CARRY. THEN PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE.
I hope Ruger will have these available again.
When I hear you say how good 38 & 327 snubs are , I agree on almost all points . I always think you are talking about 44 Special , for all the same reasons . For deep cover I would carry a Charter Arms 44 Sp. 5 shot . I would like , the same gun in 38 >> Stainless , shrouded hammer with a nub .
Great video and channel. Bravo. I’ve carried a 642 for years but have been interested in the 327 recently. Looks like they will be sold out for the foreseeable future now thanks to this video. Damn lol
Thank you.
Buffalo Bore has plenty of it in stock.
I carry either a 357 mag taurus 66 4 inch barrel with 158 SJHP from magtech or a glock 17 with 115 +p+ bonded from magtech, my duty gun is a Taurus pt 100 loaded with 155 Bonded by magtech, in Brasil we mainly have only magtech ammo for "choice"....
First of all, great educational video on the .327! Second, what I've noticed on your site, most responses on what is the best thing to carry, is what the commenters are carrying! 😸😸😸
Love how you think. Another great vid. Thanks
Great carry choice and great way to train. I shoot instinctive myself and have trained that way throughout my life.
I like your practical, common sense approach. You’re not trying to be a “cool kid”, you’re dispensing usable information.
Great video on your carry choice. My issue with revolvers is that when they do fail, it’s usually not a quick (tap n rack) fix. I love revolvers like any real gun owner does/should but what I read in many comments on various videos is “my revolver never fails” and/or “because autos jam” and the reality is that when a “jam” occurs it’s usually ammo or magazine related and easily fixed with either a “tap n rack” or a mag change. I also understand that a “click, no bang” in a revolver is fixed with another trigger pull, but that’s about all that’s fixable. (In the field). Guns can and will fail, ALL guns and training for that is important. In my opinion and personal experience, I love revolvers and carry semi-occasionally but I prefer a semi auto, I rotate between my G43 and my G19, but I do own revolvers like my 66 combat magnum but it’s mostly for range use, ymmv.
I watch your channel all the time, as you seem to be the “go to” revolver guy on CZcams, keep up the good work!
I have still never had a revolver jam, just saying. I do get a lot of comments how autos can be fixed on the spot and revolver can't. My only issue with those statements is that in tens of thousands of revolver rounds, my revolver still has never jammed, and also have had a semi auto jam where I could not clear it on the spot.
Great point: one grip only on auto-pilot for people who carry both revolvers and auto-loaders...
Good explanation of your choices based on your level of experience and comfort level. I wish everyone would make as informed choice as you did. In my experience the guy that wins the fight usually is the most prepared. And as J B Books said, you must have that 3rd eye.
I've personally been involved in 3 self defense shootings. 2 were with revolvers, one with a semi auto. The revolver situations were resolved in one round and the semi auto with 8. I recall seeing the sights in all 3 situations but in particular with the semi auto, I was looking for the front sight first and point shooting as things started relatively close to each other. I never expected I'd be involved in a self defense shooting, let alone 3 and I'm not in law enforcement nor would I say it was a reflection of where I lived. But one thing I learned from the first one that stuck with me was just having that mind set to take a potential threat serious and have the mind set of being willing to fight back if it comes down to it.
I would say I already had that mind set, but I know a lot of people who say they "would do" X or Y, but when it comes down to it they do something completely different than they thought. I had training prior to the situations so my training kicked in to overcome the fear and compensate the adrenaline rushes. It's hard to relax in a situation like that but it helps you avoid a lot of potential mistakes. In my own experience I can't say one caliber or ammo type was vastly superior to the next and would still argue that you train with whatever you've invested in and have the most time invested in training with.
I'd always recommend using ammo that is proven by use in law enforcement as well as by people in the industry who have tested such things but also what's effective for your particular firearm. These days more often than not I use a Ruger SP101 with a 3 inch barrel in .327 Federal Magnum loaded with the now discontinued 115gr Speer Gold Dots but would happily load the 100gr Gold Dot it's place as I've used both extensively for testing accuracy, expansion, and general performance and am pleased with both.
Good explanation of the .327!
Man alot of great stuff in this one 👏. Now if I can only find an lcr in .327... been searching for two months.
"STOP! I'm a CONCEALED CARRIER!" I don't think so. Just plain STOP or GET BACK. Most bad guys would laugh at the concealed carrier part and think they were dealing with a victim who was a mark for themselves. Besides, it wastes precious time. BTW, I used to read Dave Spaulding back in my L.E. days. He has some very good tactical videos on CZcams from when he was working for Ruger.
Thanks for chiming in!
I seem to recall there was an law-abiding citizen who drew his gun while trying to evacuate people from the El Paso Wal-Mart. I'm not sure if he announced his conceal and carry status to any of the patrons around him, but probably not a bad idea in that circumstance. Maybe? Announcing said status to an approaching assailant? Nope.
I enjoyed the video greatly, I have been a instinct shooter many years and highly recommend and encouraging it , like you I prefer pocket carrying , i make own holsters to fit my needs , thinking the other day about pocket holsters and in this video I noticed your holster coming out hitting the ground, that's not good ,I will make mine to not show the outline on pants and extend out of pocket to the belt with loops on top for belt to go through and cure that problem , plus the holster will be square to look like a cell phone in a case in my pocket and most of the time I leave my shirt tails out any way and that will hide the part of the holster from the top of pocket to the belt , and a great portion of the front pocket , as anyone can see with my papa belly it's near impossible to keep my shirt tails in any way , in my 62 years of life I never have been asked by law enforcement officers to pull up my shirt, nanna and papa wishing you well,
Familiarity with your weapons and paying attention to your surroundings! Great job 👍🏻
hey man love your channel been watching for awhile i also have the ruger lcr 327 there are some badass pocket holster they are called boraii pocket holsters they are pretty cheap too but work great
Awesome video Sam ill be honest I've always been a revolver guy but the past 2 years or so I've carried a lcp2 380 and I know a lot of people think its a weak round and compared to most it is but looking at data its only a % or 2 lower than the other handgun calibers in effectiveness but with that said I've wanted a 327 for a long time i think ima get one for my winter carry and for camping
.380 is decent with the right ammo. It has the capability to be about what a low end 9mm is.
Pretty good grouping with the LCR, impressive considering the trigger and size.
Interesting as the wife is thinking about 327, she presently carries a little Sig. 380, which she handles well, she had an SP101 in 357 which was no problem, except for the weight(she qualified for her license with it)-I have that one now, but for the past 2 years when I carry it has been an LCRX in 22mag, she owned that one prev. but its size with a 3-inch tube was hard to properly hide. I've loved it since trying out a spinal fusion, and fusion to the skull, being a bit fearful of the recoil having an effect on the work while healing (not being eager to go back into the pain, and the healing process(2 years time)-to say nothing of the expense. I'm told that things are all healed up, knitted together, so someday soon will have to get to the range and try some various 38 loads, and if I like that, and then some 357, perhaps bring the Airweight and try some 38's in it as well. she might have to try wearing the SP again for size, as it's weight might make the 327's recoil quite pleasant indeed.
The recoil of the Airweight makes it unpleasant for her, as she has a condition that now makes her hands very sensitive, so the Airweight is quite unpleasant to use, inhibiting practice a bit.
We are both in our 70's -age does have the occasional annoyance !
Well, plus a good .32 H&R Mag or .32 S&W Long in an LCR can be decent. I once tested the Magtech 98 gr SJHP .32 S&W Long and it was excellent, no more recoil than a .22 but a lot more effective in my testing.
The thing you mentioned about having a high vis front sight with blacked out rear sight is the very reason I choose to have a black rear sight and green front sight. Right now I have a green fiberoptic front sight on my XD-S and I may change it in the future to a night sight but I will always have a blacked out rear sight. I found that even during training I was having trouble focusing on the front sight when I was using 3 dot sights and I tried a friend's gun that only had a green dot on the front sight and I shot drastically better. And I found for me my eyes pick up green much better than red.
Good video. Very interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thank you.
I learned a lot and I like what you carry
I enjoy videos and the way you explaining was great ,I am the same 95 % of the time when I carry,
I agree with your way of thinking on conceal carry,but I have a difeent way of thinking concerning choice of caliber and D-fence technique,I must admit.
Repetition of the movement never mind pistol or revolver,is groundstone.
Choosing two hand in front of one hand practice is more plesent,but under high stress short distance ( most threatening situations ) one hand - frond sight in center mass- strongest caliber and ammo which you can control is my choice.
It would be 9m +P ( 125grs Sierra Power Jacket or 124grs Gold Dot which goes 380m/s ) in pistol and 357 Magnum in revolver ( 158grs Hydra Shok 366m/s ).
Shooting not lightning fast but I rather hit precise and slower then miss or hit out of vital zone fast.
Rather hit with heavyer,energy stronger,bone braking,muscle crashing vital organ destroying bullet like 158grs Hydra Shock once or twice then that I must shoot on same target 4-5 times because there IS a big diference in terminal efficiency,I believe you agree with me.
Up to 3 meters,I practice shooting one hand to the head pistol/revolver,all the same.
From 3-5 meters I shoot one hand and two hand one in the center chest and one to the head.
After 5 meters,I use two hand and chest head is basic.
Hit the boiler room and electricity,and it goes down.
I ( unfortunate ) have seen people shot,with diferent kinds of weapons and ammo and I must say ..it s nothing like Hollywood movies or presumptions based on shooting balistic gel test.
Its ... diferent.
People dont fall fast,they move,they punch,they swing with axe,they shoot for some time .
In this situations, seconds lat hours....and you wish to be somewhere else on the planet,not here.
Presumption is mother of all fuckups.
Practice realistic,shoot maybe little slower but hit every time,hit vitals,hit with strongest ammo you can control and before everything .. move and hide.
Be hard target to oponent.
Use objects,hard objects around your self ( if there is any ) to hide and then continue the fight.
Less chance to be hit.
I have never owned a firearm in my life. But thanks to your channel I have an idea. Home defense I think I will be happy with a Model 66 or an 8 shot 357 period but I definitely want a J frame or a small 32 revolver. I would love a semi-auto. But I like the simplicity of a revolver. Btw I always hit like before I watch cuz I like all your videos.
Thanks. You would ultimately be happier with a larger revolver if it's not going to be carried. I have been there and done that, and what seems cool at the time becomes no fun when you actually go to shoot it. The small snub nose type revolvers are frustrating if you're new to shooting handguns. A longer barrel makes staring out easier.
I was fortunate to be able to find at a local gun shop a Smith & Wesson 342 airlite ti titanium cylinder aluminum alloy frame..(discontinued)..11oz !!!!.. centennial hammerless type 38 special..+p rated.. I installed full size rubber hogue monogrips.. covers the back strap cushions my hand and gets all my fingers on the grip! . I can hit Target's accurately out to 45 to 50 ft... I carry my 38 j frame centennial type in my front pocket in a DeSantis Superfly pocket holster.. with velcro on flap to prevent printing.... I can draw faster from the pocket than any other method... My 342 is loaded with Federal HST 38 special + p 130 grain.. these are the lightest .38 recoiling rounds I've ever fired.. my reloads are Liberty civil defense 50 grain copper frangible.. I carry them in a zeta 6.. CIRCULAR SPEED STRIP! LOAD ALL FIVE AT ONE TIME WITH NO BULKY SPEED LOADERS.. NO KNOBS NO BUTTONS.. JUST INSERT AROUND AT ONCE INTO THE CYLINDER AND PEEL OFF THE RUBBER SPEED STRIP VOILA
I carry the same gun as you. The lcr in .327 fed. But I opted for the x version. I know about the concerns of getting snagged on the draw.. But i've practiced drawing it a lot and it hasn't been an issue or gotten snagged from a pocket draw yet. And I think if it ever was an issue in a real self defense situation, the hammer getting snagged on a few threads of your pants isn't gonna slow down your draw. You'll likely make a slight tear in your pants and not even notice it happened. Since you love this gun as much as I do, you should really look into getting one. Because the ability to fire it single action is amazing, it makes the gun so much more fun. And I think ruger really knew what they were doing because compared to a smith hammer, its very conservative. In fact, what is sticking out for the hammer is the least i've ever seen on a factory gun that wasn't modified. Most of it is covered by a shroud and theres only a very small exposed part to grab onto. You can tell it was designed to be fired in double action, but single action is available if you really want to. Which is exactly what I was looking for.
I don't shoot single action, pretty much ever. That's because the way I grip my revolvers with the trigger on my second trigger joint, allows for a steadier hold on it than otherwise. Shooting single action makes it shaky and I miss even at longer range i'm better with double action. Also, Discreet Defense channel has one of the X models and he swears it's not as sturdy as the original, as there's less holding it together. czcams.com/video/mVLPeMkfCdk/video.html
Great video. Lots of good info. I agree completely concerning the defensive shooting. My last shooting before I retired was at 12 yds with .40 180gr JHP. I shot the assailant 7 times and never looked at my sights. I had trained my whole career to use my sights, but in reality, we should all learn to point shoot or instinctive shoot as you mentioned. I like your approach to “same grip”. I use different style with semi auto and revolvers, but I think I’m going to start to train using crossed thumbs with both as I carry both. Good advice. Great education on .327 mag. I knew nothing about that caliber. Now, I want that same Ruger LCR in 327 like yours. Very educational. Thanks for the knowledge.
Thanks. I heard that he old Weaver stance was also one of those trained things that no one did. Police trained and trained Weaver, then compiling all the dash cam shooting footage, literally no one who was trained Weaver, stood Weaver and shot. They took a natural isosceles stance.
@@GunSam I always used isosceles. Much more natural and instinctive. I found that with practice and a smooth trigger press, I would be center mass as soon as I punched out. I think the key is not to start slamming the trigger, which I know is hard with an adrenaline dump in a stressful situation, but still the way to go. I would spend endless time just drawing and presenting and firing 2 rounds looking over the gun. Just quickly referencing the front sight as you mentioned. Good video though. I like your approach. It’s very realistic to what people will encounter.
If I could have a choice of one revolver I'd go for the Taurus 942 22lr ultralight
I concur
GREAT info, i was just thinking about ruger lcr myself, maybe i'll get it in 327 now instead of 38
327 Federal Magnum is the best cartridge for any short barrel revolver. Everybody I know wants one but manufacturers aren’t building them fast enough to keep up with demand.
Because historically the demand doesn't exist. Ruger started it off, S&W, Taurus, and Charter Arms all followed suit but just like .32 H&R Magnum people were not interested. All the revolver guys were all saying ".357 is more powerful! Why bother?" ignoring that .327 was purpose built for short barrels. And while it's capable of going toe to toe with .357 in longer barrels there is no debate the .357 has more potential there. Then some people tested it out and said it didn't live up to expectations and etc.
So, the guns just sat there on the shelves and never went anywhere. The Charter Arms guns had such bad QC at the time that some guns were blowing up and etc. So this gave the cartridge a bad rep as a hand grenade waiting to happen. SP101's are known sometimes to not have chambers properly reamed from the factory and thus cases get stuck when trying to eject. And this also hurts it's reputation. Lastly... ammunition. You're stuck with Federal, reloading your own, or buying some small time reloading operations ammo.
I love the cartridge and the guns but I can see why it hasn't taken off that much yet. If more companies would start making ammo for it but until that happens it won't really take off.
@@Predalien195 Agreed there is not enough manufacturer support. People want Guns chambered in 327 Fed Mag and there just is not enough support.
Bill Jordan's book No Second Place Winner still is relevant over 50 years from initial publication. Some material ( particularly on auto loading pistols ) are dated. The fundamentals of combat are spot on. If any man has earned the medal of freedom ( should be renamed The medal FOR freedom ) , it's Massed Ayoob. Very few have freely ( not always for free ) shared their experience and knowledge to those determined to keep the peace or defend against the violent .
Ruger LCR is a up and coming weapon no doubt about it! Neva shot the 327 round the ballistics are impressive. What a old timer taught me is train your hand to follow your eye. For me a instinctive shot works. I try to train about 30% in not using sights but let my hand point to my eyes destination. I am not Clint Eastwood but works for me. I think the point in self defense is a hard hitting round not blowing a hole threw him. I think that's why a 158g in 38 special was carried so much. A big slug hitting so hard rather than a clean fast little projectile going plumb through the man so fast. Same as with the 45acp the shock factor upon hitting its destination.
A trick to keep the holster in the pocket is either use a large safety pin through the bottom rear and fasten to rear of the pocket inside; or try heavy double-sided & wide 3m tape if it will stick to the holster. If holster is washable, you can throw a few wide spaced single stitches with heavy thread to permanently keep it inside. Pulling out the gun and holster may not be as easily managed when you are in a high stress deadly situation. For me anyway possibly; just sayin’, fwiw.
Sam..... I was dubious about this video when reading the title. But I think you make your case very well. Of course, that is one of your strengths.
Thanks. Yeah, sounds like i'm gonna tactically show you how i'm great and all of that. But in reality, just some statistics i'm passing along as well as what I prefer for my own firearm.
@@GunSam Pocket carry with a revolver with a proper grip is not the answer to everything (nothing is) but it is the only place you can carry, have your hand firmly on the grip (not just in the pocket) and have no one the wiser.
Nicely thought out...
Thanks. But honestly I didn't think it out much. I just get into these times of excitement about a topic and go.
Brother Sam , I was so excited to tell you, I found a Ruger Alaskan in 44 Magnum !!! at a show Saturday
Very nice. I ordered some .44 ammo today, and yesterday. Both are lower end rounds, but still some .44 action coming!
@@GunSam Right on. I try to catch all your wheel gun videos, Your Southern neighbor in Ohio
I carry a mix of revolvers, a SW .41 mag when out in the woods, then depending on where I am going a 686+ .357, Model 12 .38spl, and most of the time a model 638 in pocket carry. I have several Semi autos but only carry my SIG220 which has no safety and first shot is double action just like my revolvers.
I love these long commentary videos. I also love the minimalist rear notched sights exclusive to revolvers. Their not the best for percision, but their very efficient at getting a quick target acquisition. I live out in the country and I don't trust the durability or reliability of a red dot sight, not that it would matter in my case anyway though.
Do you think the 327 federal will get adequate penetration? I was reading that the 110 grain treasury load had trouble bringing down threats with large body mass, as well as side shots, or when a forearm had to be crossed. It had me questioning my ammo selection; 38 critical defense.
Thanks. With .327 Federal, even a 100 gr bullet has the same sectional density of a 9mm because at .312" diameter, it has more mass behind it, so it will penetrate fine. As far as .38 Special in 110 gr, this is a little light on ability to penetrate, but in reality most shots are not made through the side, and the whole FBI requirements isn't a big deal for the average person.
@@GunSam I started off with a S&W airweight and was using WWB sjhp, but I wasn't good at managing recoil at the time and went with CD. The few times I was ever under serious threat of violence was from a couple of large heavy set individuals and on one case, I left the area without my truck, because he was getting loud, belligerent and saying he had a gun, so I got out of there! When I returned to get my truck several hours later, I discovered my back windshield had several 22 caliber holes in it. I like the CD myself, but I've been thinking of going heavier. The pdx1 and GD look pretty appealing.
I love this! Situational awareness is probably the most important thing. We can practice this going about our daily lives and being aware of the threat can be enough to prevent an issue. Always seek to avoid being a victim. I'm a firm believer in instinctive shooting with a revolver. A must read on this is Col. Rex Applegate's Kill or Get Killed. You don't need a 85 round magazine and a laser/aim point/scope/microwave/Etc. mount on your gun. Be aware of your situation, train the way you actually fight and never give up.
Yeah I like to avoid as much as possible.
“A gunfight avoided is a gunfight won.” What my grandfather told me in 1965 when he was teaching me how to handle a handgun.
@@CaptVanO That's great!
Sam, superb explanations! I just wish I could find a Ruger .327 snubbie for less than $650+ today. My Ruger 101 is too large/heavy for carrying.
Thanks!
The .312" XTP (60gn, 85gn and 100gn) also shoots well in .303 and 7.62x54R.
Alright! Wood test comparison. So your issue with the transfer bar is secondary to all of the positive aspects that make it such a winner for personal protection. I too have health prooblems that make it hard to carry a concealed hand gun. I prefer pocket carry as well with my .38 Special Ruger lcr. I carry the Federal low recoil personal defense round that you found to be very effective. If I were to carry a back-up handgun instead of a reload for the revolver, it would be my Ruger LC9 loaded with Remington 9mm 115 grain hollow-points.
This is the same load that performed very well for Paul Harrel in his meat target test.
If you did carry a back-up firearm to the Ruger, what would it be? If your back-up was not a firearm what would that be?
It is possible I may have to engage the attacker with one or the other of the two walking canes I use when I go out, which is infrequently. For anyone interested in cane self-protection look up on CZcams
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Thanks very much Sam for helping us to make the right choice for our personal protection. Steve.
I suppose if I were to carry a backup, it would need to be lighter and smaller than my primary pocket carry. So probably the .380 LCP on the ankle. I have often had a reverse philosophy on backup guns, as most say "carry an auto for primary and a 5 shot .38 as a backup", but in my opinion that's backwards, as the average shots needed is 3, so with 3 rounds I want to have the most reliable and accurate option to fulfill that need, and then if this is not enough, THEN I can deploy something with more rounds like a semi auto. I have often thought maybe pepper spray would be the best non gun option for defense as this will stop anything from people to dogs to bears without killing them and without the legal ramifications of shooting someone's dog in public, or God forbid an unarmed attacker that you had to shoot because he was bigger and you knew you could not handle without a gun.
@@GunSam I agree, the reliable revolver first then semi-auto for back-up. I am going to be 75 years old September the 11th, Patriots day, and back in the 80s and 90s, in another life, I sometimes carried two Chief's Specials. I suppose my non-firearm back up is my cane.
If you ever use one, check out the two links I left above. Stay well, Steve.
P.S., I bought peper Gel instead of pepper spray and now I see opinions that the gel takes longer to work than the spray. As a result I don't carry it.
I agree with your carry choice !
Since my carry gun is the same except for mine has the hammer, I was going to ask what your carry round is for it, but you said in the video what it was so that question is answered. But I'm still trying to find the perfect one for me. I have that buffalo bore ammo. I got a few boxes of each of the .32 h&r mag and the .327 fed. After shooting both of them, although you are right, the .327 is less than a .357 out of a lightweight snub. It's still pretty stout. And it's not that I can't handle it, but the recoil is enough that I don't think I can get multiple rounds on target quickly. I settle on carrying the .32 h&r mag buffalo bore since the recoil is less and after watching your video on it's performance, I think it's more than enough. Today, I also picked up a box of .327 federal hydra shock jhp 85 grain and it says low recoil. I haven't fired that yet nor have I seen any ballistics tests on it though.
I was gonna suggest hydrashok, then I see you got it. Second best round for the LCR. It's power and recoil is the same as most .32H&R ammo, but the Hydrashok bullet in .32 is more like a Gold Dot than others and seems to not jacket separate from memory.
@@GunSam I just watched your video on the hydrashock. And it looks like I should just stick with the buffalo bore .32 h&r mag. It got higher velocity and did better in ballistics than the low recoil federal .327.
Ur Logic is Rite On TY so many over complicate pistol shooting !
No complaint from me in what you carry with whatever ammo. It's whatever works for you.
I keep my point shooting sharp with a laser chamber sight. The more times you snap that laser where it needs to be, the more ingrained the muscle memory becomes. Just gotta remember to aim the laser a little low, to compensate for muzzle rise. I find it's best to it cold, and only once each day. You're not gonna get to warm up when the time comes.
Sam I WISH Ruger made the LCR with a THREE INCH Barrel. I carry either a Rossi model 89 .32 Smith and Wesson Long with wadcutters or a Smith model 30 3 inch in same Caliber. On occasion I will load a back up HKS Speedloader with .32 New Police Sellier and Bellot Flat nose lead because using wadcutters with the speed loader is much harder to line up with the chambers. I KNOW many criticize my use of .32 S&W Long but I believe it is a much under rated Cartridge as indeed YOUR Tests have shown. I also carry a Kel-tec P32 with FMJ 71 grain ball.
Charter arms make a 3 inch 7 shot in .32 H&R
I would most definitely carry a Ruger SP101 (.357) 3” barrel! You give up a round, but how comfortable you are with your carry shooter, than 5 can get the job done. Let’s be honest here, this is not a John Wick movie,
This is survival, nuff said.
Free recoil energy generated by the Ruger LCR (per genitron.com):
• .327 Federal Magnum with a 100-gr bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1,299 ft/s for 375 ft•lb of kinetic energy at the muzzle - 10.09 ft•lb of free recoil energy;
• .38 Special +P with a 125-gr bullet at a muzzle velocity of 853 ft/s for 202 ft•lb of kinetic energy at the muzzle - 7.17 ft•lb of free recoil energy; and,
• 9 Luger with 124-gr bullet at a muzzle velocity of 1,020 ft/s for 287 ft•lb of kinetic energy at the muzzle - 6.55 ft•lb of free recoil energy.
Relative felt recoils will be directly proportional to the above calculated free recoils, because the three calibers are being fired from the same revolver frame.
Here's your next test Sam. The most powerful 9mm 124 gr+++++p+++++😄(or whatever it is) out of a 3.5 inch gun vs the most powerful 327 mag outta the snubby. Both expanding rounds of the self defense flavor.....not hard cast critter getters. The testing should be done in your 4 Layer Denim Bologna Pack Sternum Simulated Water Jug Test. I think most people that carry revolvers carry snubbies for self defense, for the rest of us :) .... 3 to 4 inch semi autos. Again good shooting and any one of these calibers would do the trick.
Great video. I enjoyed it and appreciate the thorough information. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I wanted to ask what you think of the Kimber K6s? I got one a few months ago and I really like it.
I've looked at some used K6S revolvers. 700 bucks. Can't swing it right now.
Thanks, I do not have any personal experience with one so I really can't comment.
Great video...I too prefer revolvers, I think hands-down they are the better handgun design for any defensive situation other than a tactical/combat scenario (that is where the auto-loader's only major advantage IMO, capacity, shines). Question...where did you find .38 Long Colt ammo? I have been curious to get a hold of some to try out in my RIA .38 Special but have never seen it except as a "discontinued item" on some remote web sites...thx and keep the videos coming 👍
The problem with relying on muscle memory in my opinion is that if your ability to perform your instinctual set of actions is disrupted enough (for example, having to shoot with only your weak hand, wearing thick gloves, or you're being shoved) you end up reverting back to a near untrained state. Unless you train for all of them. On the other hand things like a red dot allow you to have an advantage in a large variety of situations that you didn't particular train for.
I wonder how many of the people who remembered using their sights were firing single action. That would increase the time requirement and the odds you use the sights instead of firing “on the way up” as it were.
Good video , I’m with you on the grip deal , 👍
Thank you.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ thank you . You have a nice day.
You make some valid points, an I would like to throw my 2 cents in here, I have been a student of the the gun since 1970, an including, military time there also. I heard everything you said ( watched the vid all the way thru) an have read all the same studys that were done, the only caveat to everything that you said is, 1. Your better off sacraficeing a little power ( FPE ) for more rounds downrange, as in 15 on board, rather than 5 or 6, after all your punching small hole's in your opponent. An unless you hit the brain or heart for a 1 stop shot ( Hard to do under extreme duress) your more likely to put multiple shots in the thoracic cavity, induceing major blood loss, which will lead to a shutdown of motor skills of your perpetrator. But an this has been Proven that if an individual is high on alcohol, pcp, meth, angel dust, or any other combination of drugs and or alcohol, this mite not even slow them down till their body completely shuts down due to blood loss and or major trauma. Their was an LA Detective that shot a perp with a 10mm 21 times an the guy was in the fight till the minute he died on his feet, still on his feet giving hell to the cops as he was high on angel dust. In this day an age with meth making zombies out of the users I would highly recommend you rethink your strategy on carrying, it mite just save your life or somebody else's, sorry for being long winded bro, but facts are facts. An its a hell of alot faster to reload a semi auto pistol an more convenient to carry a spare mag that it is to try an reload a revolver when the shit hits the fan, jus say in, thx for the vid
As an older person and been involved with hand guns for 40 years, I am inclined to agree with you over sending more during your first defensive response. I generally practice sending 4-5 shots with my 9mm semi auto's. I hope we all can appreciate who and what else may be down range, which give me pause on the volley fire. I was ranged in the times of using a 357 Mag and making that first shot count. That will end most fights, but those guns are too large to carry unless on actual service duty. Hope all us honest citizens get the first shot in on target. Peace.
Agreed