Sarek's TNG Episode Cements His GOAT Status
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The Target Audience are watching Star Trek: The Next Generation for the first time! Today we discuss season 3 episode 23 - Sarek
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To not enjoy Sarek's guest appearance is highly illogical. ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL! ILLOGICAL!
They … Loved … it … so … MUCH
This episode gets me every time. The Alzheimers analogy is affecting enough on it's own, but the use of such an amazing legacy character and all the layers of meaning fans understand are there from their knowledge of the character makes it so powerful. His mention of Spock I found not to be fan service, his fractured relationship with his son is his greatest regret. The sudden bursts of anger from the crew were similarly (in my opinion) not just to save time, but a measure of the speed with which Sarek would lose and then regain his emotional control. One of my top ten TNG episodes-and it's again entirely people talking in rooms. That's how good the writing in this show was.
Agreed!
That’s Worf’s secret, Cap, he’s always angry. .
He also portrayed Picard in three episodes when Patrick Stewart was unavailable. But they've never revealed which episodes those were and nobody has figured it out... because Mark Leonard was Just That Good.
lol, was thinking the same thing!!
I don't think he's angry, he's repressed. That's why he's got that holodeck program, to get rid of his repressed anger.
This episode is, in my opinion, one of the positives of having a shared multimedia franchise.
Agreed. It's a balancing act. You have to be careful of overdoing it. But it would be crazy not to mine the legacy and lore, too.
It is logical to hit the LIKE button, even before the show starts....It reduces distraction when the show is on. 🤣
His best role was the Romulan Commander in Ballance of Terror. He was so good they invented the role of Spock's father.
DC Fontana got the idea to show Spock's parents from Spock's line in THIS SIDE OF PARADISE: "My mother was a teacher. My father, an Ambassador."
@@DamienDrake2940 Best role was Sarek.
Both the Romulan Commander and Sarek were great characters because of Mark Lenard's outstanding portrayal of those characters and because the writing for those characters was great.
Don't forget that Mark Lenard also played an ill-fated Klingon Captain in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, which gave him the distinction of being the first actor to play a Romulan, a Vulcan, and a Klingon in Star Trek.
@@luminiferous1960 Sure, but did you know he also played a Tribble? That's how talented he was.
@@miller-joel lol - Now that is acting range! 😉
Mark Leonard also played the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror.
Every time I watch the concert scene, I get so much into the music that when the scene cuts to the Enterprise in open space, I get angry: "I wanted to hear the rest of it." For anyone who is interested, it is the "Sextet #1 in B-flat Major" by Johannes Brahms. And it's beautiful!
Although Sarek loves Mozart according to Picard.
Thanks for pointing that out, you beat me to it. But I've never understood why the script leaves the false impression it's a Mozart piece. Anyone know the story?
Johannes Brahms, aka Flint. . . and a hundred other names you do not know.
@@shallowgal462 Whoa! Good catch (TOS - Requiem for Methuselah). I actually would never have thought of connecting these two episodes with each other. Good eye! Good ear! Commendable Trek Lore!
Mark Leonard was the first actor to portray Trek's three main alien races Romulon, Vulcan and then Klingon.
Not the first to play Vulcan, No.
That name should be clear: Mr. Leonard frickin Nimoy.
@@paulpolpiboon9535You misread sir.
@@roryotoole3279 Romulan.
@@paulpolpiboon9535 Nimoy was the first to play a Vulcan.
But Lenard was the first actor to portray what was up to then each of the three major alien races: Romulan (Balance of Terror), Vulcan (Journey to Babel), then Klingon (Star Trek: The Motion Picture).
But, then, they gave us Bajorans, Ferengi, Cardassians, Ocampa, Betazoids, the Borg, the Q Continuum, Talaxians...
@@donaldball3245 Nimoy never played a Vulcan, he played a half Vulcan, so even though he defined the culture, he was always apart from it.
He was also the Klingon captain in the Motion Picture
I only found out last year that James Doohan is dubbing Lenard's Klingon captain in the film. Doohan didn't just invent the Klingon words, he spoke them on the soundtrack.
@@CaminoAirDoohan did a LOT of cover work on TOS. M5, many others. If it’s an offscreen male voice in TOS, very likely it’s Doohan.
I love the scvne where Sarek calls out the entire Star Trek franchise "It is not unusual for a starship to encounter unexplained phenomena."
There are soooooo many possibilities…. It’s got to be an alien parasite! 🤫
It wouldn't surprise me if Bendii Syndrome were far more common than officially recorded. Most Vulcans would likely remove themselves from society and die quietly isolated rather than be witnessed losing control of their emotions. Colleagues would also hide it as seen in this episode.
Wouldn't the side effects be highly noticeable? Not everyone has a Sakkath to help them contain it, and even Sakkath couldn't fully do so. And imagine something like this happening on _Vulcan_ - any emotional outbursts in the patient or anyone in their vicinity would be _immediately_ noticed!
@@headrockbeats I would think everyone in Vulcan society does have a Sakkath to help; family, friends, associates. I also don't think symptoms are so noticeable in the early stages like most diseases. And unless it's a severe outburst in a very crowded environment, only those in the closest proximity might notice.
We've seen that Vulcans are very prideful in the control of their emotions and respectful and private when it comes to others losing control. It's very much what this episode was about. Bendii Syndrome only came into light here because of Sarek's importance to the mission. I doubt anyone who knew about Sarek's condition would have risked his participation if it weren't critical.
I think Bendii Syndrome is viewed and handled much like Pa'nar Syndrome but we don't want to discuss any spoiler topics here!
@@fiveoctaves But what you're suggesting now is that a society with a reputation for not being able to lie (or finds it difficult, at least) is chock-full of liars. Too many contradictions for me. I think it's more likely that Sarek simply got very unlucky due to having lived an exceedingly long life, and his venerable name made it too difficult for his handlers not to want to hide it.
@@headrockbeats How is living in isolation or assisting others lying? Vulcans throughout the media franchise choose to not volunteer information. A main character was a double-agent so many are clearly comfortable withholding truthful information. He even said, "We are capable of telling lies." Earlier in the timeline, there were many liars and deceivers in positions of power. Vulcans are dishonest for what they perceive are logical reasons. No contradictions. Just Vulcans.
Sarek may have been unlucky but 200 is not an exceedingly long life.
Scotty and O'Brien... That would be great indeed. The two biggest saviors of the federation 😂😂
They can’t watch it fast enough…
I'm 57 and never thought I'd live to hear anyone compare Sarek to David Puddy. Wow.
Yeah that's right.
In Star Trek 4: The One with the Whales, Sarek tells Spock, "Your associates are people of good character," and it just seems like the ultimate compliment a human can ever receive from a Vulcan.
I believe the quote, and response, from this episode, was up there too.
"My Husband has taken an interest in your career. He finds it to be....satisfactory"
"My word, high praise from a Vulcan"
The only thing I wished this episode did differently was to not have opened with the captains log saying orbiting Vulcan to pick up Sarek and had just said they were beaming up the ambassador and have Sarek appear as a complete surprise to the audience. That would have been a big "WHOA" moment.
Agreed
Well it still wouldn't be, because of the show's preview clip
I agree, but I think this was a "May sweeps week" episode. They advertised the crap out of this episode in commercials, TV Guide articles, and newspaper ads to bring in as many viewers as possible. Sarek being in this episode was spoiled by their own marketing weeks ahead of time.
Talk about spoilers in the episode preview. Sarek is coming, Sarek is the problem for the Enterprise anger outbreak, and Sarek will mindmeld with Picard. This preview was one of the worst ones yet.
@paulpolpiboon9535 So true. It’s just how shows were promoted back then. Tho I think that’s what made the reveals so epic when we got them.
Now, reveals are mostly used to make up for lazy and unimaginative writing.
You guys are hilarious. On the one hand, you seem to appreciate the show, like many of us, as one of the all time greats. On the other hand, you seem to be absolutely truly shocked every time there is even the slightest bit of continuity. You may want to consider getting full medical check ups, especially focusing on your cardiology before continuing on to Deep Space 9.
It is really just a different outlook on television though. For most of TNG and earlier shows, they were made to be independently episodic for syndication. DS9 moved into more modern serialized episodes that intentionally built onto each other a larger overall story.
There is a sort of continuity in TOS. A ST reviewer (I won't name him here out of respect for Josh and Alex) joked about there being no shuttles on Kirk's Enterprise to save the stranded Sulu in 'The Enemy Within', because the immediately earlier 'The Naked Time' featured the crew drunk and highly irresponsible.....imagine what happened to the ship's shuttle craft because of that level of dysfunction.
A little surprised y’all didn’t notice Wesley’s insult saying “at least I’m not just reading a good book” to LeVar Burton who was the host of Reading Rainbow at the time. And then Burton defending reading a good book. ROFL hilarious if you notice.
I love this! Why did I never make this connection... it's so obvious thinking about it now.
So true. I still think "at least I don't have to find my women in the holodeck" is the sickest burn in all of Trek because of the accuracy
Guys making us wait for 24 hours is illogical.😊 Oh guys Sarek is one Vulcan to mind meld with two captains of the Enterprise. At the point of this episode no Vulcan has done more over the last 200 years to promote the ideas of the Federation. He's thee most respected Diplomat that thay had.
That was an error, thank you for pointing it out
@@targetaudienceTHE best season of Star Trek is the second half of TOS season one and the first half of season two, equalling one continuous year long season, gives us:
City on the Edge of Forever, This Side of Paradise, Amok Time, Mirror Mirror, Journey to Babel, just for starters!
@@RLucas3000yeah that's not how seasons work
"Sarek" was an amazing episode, in my opinion. Both reasoning, direction, pace, just everything. Great one!
Mark Leonard has such gravitas as an actor.
Yeah it’s too bad he seems to have remained a character actor. I could easily see him helming a show, Trek or otherwise.
So glad I found this channel.
Welcome aboard crewman. This is best reaction & discussion of TNG on CZcams.
Next to one other channel, they're my favourite star trek reactors
You should check out ‘Lorerunner’, he’s done ruminations on every Star Trek episode from every series including all the movies. Very good reviewer
@valcoren thank you, though I've been here a few months now.
@@jonathanward7320I'll check out his channel.
Mark Lenard was born in 1927 - about midway between Kelley and Shatner.
An outstanding episode on how (without discipline), Vulcan emotions can consume them. "All Our Yesterdays" (TOS) an out of time Spock (without mental training) was totally done with Bones' common racial insults.
For a species whose central gimmick is being emotionlessly logical, Vulcan emotions sure are in the spotlight a lot. I do understand the concept, but I'd much rather just let them have their cold logic without it constantly being undercut. Not a fan. It'd be like having a really strong character who is constantly having to deal with being weak.
I totally get no spoilers, but every time you make extremely specific references to future episodes, I also get why people have a hard time restraining themselves from joking about it.
Iiiiiiiii knoooooooowwwwww! It’s bad enough when they figure out the plot of the episode a little early. But this one……. Just gotta… 🤐
Remembering this episode made me curious where we are in the series as a whole. So I looked at an episode guide for season 4 ... and 5 ... and good golly gdam! You better find those seatbelts before we take off.
This was a solid episode. Sarek is a fan favorite. When we saw this on the original release, everyone was going bananas to have him back. And we all thought the same thing you two thought of during the scene -- if Sarek is still alive, could that mean Spock was still alive? It is not mentioned here, so there was no way to know.
Guys..., be prepared for a few episodes time, when your Subs go thru the Roof !!!! 💥❣
I’m gonna hold you to this
I actually find it great how Worf keeps his cool in this one. I guess it shwos how much discipline he usually has to exhibit. Meaning it's always hard for him to keep it in. We just don't see it.
“I do hear the cry of the warrior!” Yeah, he’s like always basically ready to get in a fight.
Originally Roddenberry didn't want to mention or use any characters from TOS, the writers had to convince him to make this episode and then he didn't want to have Spock mentioned - the writers had to fight for that too.
I think Roddenberry was very smart to fight against bringing in legacy characters for as long as he did. A lesser creator would likely quickly be bringing them all in like that casino’s revolving door in the first couple seasons, fan service city. It very easily could have prevented the show from coming into its own.
Holding out this long made it so much more special. And especially with a very well considered plot.
@@trekkiejunk McCoy had a very short passing the flag cameo which was fine.
Believe it or not, the mention of the original Enterprise and Kirk himself was done deliberately to communicate to the audience that this show was distancing it from TOS. Notice how Riker only vaguely remembers reading about the original event and doesn’t seem to know who Kirk is or attach any significance to the man.
I believe that’s why they reused the TOS plot too, so that Riker/audience could “organically” learn this information.
Was it a good idea to attempt to distance like this? Probably at least at first. Was this a good way to do it… not so much.
Great work by James Doohan for staging the bar fight scene.
No, the the touching of index and middle fingers of the right hands is a Vulcan thing. (See Saavik and Spock in The Search for Spock. "This is pon farr."). When Sarek held Amanda's hand in the transporter it was a human thing. The benefit of his mind-meld with Picard.
I think it was described that Vulcans express affection with mostly hand contact in general, due to their touch telepathy, and as Sarek is onto his second human wife, I am not surprised he has picked up some human gestures/mannerisms.
Unification will go over well, I’m confident
Star Trek still teaching us about the world.
Worf already knows how to control his anger, so it wouldn't effect him.
Worf is one of the most disciplined crew members because he knows he’d destroy everyone except Data if he lost control, which is why his holodeck fights is so important; he gets to cut loose and let it out, and remind himself why discipline is so important
The difference is there are times when Worf will deliberately let his anger run rampant.
@@RetroRobotRadio And no one else on the Enterprise does?
@@miller-joel not everyone was affected.
@@RetroRobotRadio Not the point.
This is the episode I was most excited for them to watch and most worried that the reaction wasn't going to be how I felt as I think this is a top level trek episode.
When you get to "discovery," remember episodes like this one.
Or the first two seasons of "picard."
They will be missing the worst TNg episodes by then
NO SPOILERS!
@@samlanganke1262 Get a grip.
Obviously, he had to go back to work because he got married again, and had to support her lifestyle.
Logical
BAHAHAHA!
Riker, "Is it my imagination, or have tempers become somewhat frayed on board this ship lately?"
Worf, "I hadn't noticed." [pause]*door opens*[bar fight] "I see what you mean."
Some great episodes this season, Moore or Les.
Regards the comparison of this with "Sins of the Father," I think that the pressure was on for TNG in this episode much more. If any other episode had been so-so, you'd just have shrugged and said oh well, but if they had brought such a beloved character as Sarek back and fkked it up, that would have been incredibly disappointing and hard to pardon.
I'm amused though that when we saw Perrin, another human wife, you didn't chuckle and go, "Bro has a type!" 🤣
Episodes like these are a great example of how all the shows up till Voyager/DS9 have their home in this same universe. The writing can be all over the place, but if you’re a devoted Trekkie, following all the shows from that era is rewarded with the odd but pleasantly surprising cameo. It was the first cinematic universe I “discovered” as a kid. Just fascinating.
I've always found it fascinating that the most Vulcan of Vulcans, Sarek, chose not one, but two human wives.
Once you've had human...
Obviously there's a good logical reason behind having someone with a different take on things that a Vulcan wife would lack. Other Vulcans may have not approved, but they just lack the insight.
IDIC in action!
What's so great about season 3 is that not only was there just so many great episodes, this season planted many seeds for future seasons to come.
Guys, the funny thing is about this one is that Mark Leonard was on Rotenberry couch in his office during the first season and saying to GENE every minute during the first season, the Vulcans are long lived and he wants in the show and it took him two years to figure it out
The episodes that I think are objectively the best aren't always my favorites, and this episode is a good example. I don't have any fault to find with this episode. Everything about it is brilliant. But because the episode is so emotionally fraught, it's a difficult one for me to revisit.
To be fair, I didn't watch TOS before watching TNG. If I had, maybe I would feel differently. I can see now that there are some TOS Easter eggs in this episode that probably would have made it more fun for me had I recognized them at the time.
For example, I've always loved the way Sarek introduces Perrin as, "she who is my wife." Now that I know that he also introduced Amanda the same way, I love it even more.
SO many good things to come. Glad you liked the bar fight!
So you're saying as far as directing goes, Les is more?
nice
I wish I'd thought of that specific word play. Honour is due to you.
I think Mark Leonard was also the Romulan Captain in Balance of Terror. I could be wrong, He is TOS royalty and I love that they bring him and other back throughout the various shows.
RANDOM FUN TRIVIA:
At the time this episode was made, Mark Lenard and Patrick Stewart were both doing voice-overs for car commercials, Patrick for Pontiac and Mark for a more high-end line (Lexus, IIRC) and according to a contemporary fanzine they were comparing notes between takes.
PATRICK: Yours is more prestigious.
MARK: Yes, but yours advertises more.
I like the Geordi VS Wesley scene. Because they are working with those chemical tanks, it’s a misdirection. It threw me off and obviously threw you guys as well. Another great thing about the “fight“ scenes between the crewmembers is a reminder that we as humans have to suppress so many emotions as well. Also, I find it funny that you guys are worried about what the patrons think like we’re worried about what you think of each episode.😄
McCoy's surgery fixed Sarek's heart problem in "Journey to Babel", and at a still youthful age 100 or so he obviously wasn't ready for retirement. Babel took place in 2268 (Thanks, Memory Alpha!) and Sarek started working with the Legarans around 2273, so I appreciate the continuity of his storyline.
You guys and your hook! It's the teaser. I am glad you enjoyed the episode.
23:47 - Great question. I don't think it's bad at all, because (having watched all of TREK to the end of DISCOVERY), my general opinion is that character reprisals are always special, but they don't always translate into great episodes. There are a LOT of characters that come back in other series, and it's always fun, but it doesn't always work. This episode is great not just because it's a TOS character, but because it's a beautifully told and powerfully performed story.
In regards to your comment about when in Journey to Babel and Sarek's retirement, it was due to his heart issues, as even McCoy was asking "Isn't it unusual to retire at your age, after all you're only 102." But McCoy fixed his heart issue towards the end so he continued to serve as an Ambassador with the Federation.
Of all the obvious ideological episodes - and the occasional ones for a future without AIDS or cancer - this treats dementia very well.
I don't think you got the right word there
I'm really enjoying watching you guys viewing TNG for the first time. It's a shame that I've already seen this when it first aired, I wish I could say more. Enjoy!
The tear scene from Sarek is reminiscent of a tear scene from one of you not too long ago lol
Josh, it was SPOCK wedding to Svik. Remember, she was supposed to be pregnant when they left Vulcan to go back to earth in the voyage home with his child and he eventually does marry her so that’s what they’re talking about in the opening.
If you like Mark Lenard, there is a really fun Star Trek/Here Come the Brides crossover book by Barbara Hambly. Here Come the Brides was a TV show from 1968-1970. Mark Lenard was an antagonistic character. The show was fun and funny. This crossover book is one of my favorites and made me like Mark Lenard even more.
A Mudd return - even though he would be almost as old* as Dr. McCoy in the first episode - it would have to be a recast - Roger C. Carmel died in 1986 - a year before TNG aired..
* He was actually a year younger than Shatner and Nimoy.
I do agree with Josh's question about if its a good or bad thing that this great episode happens to have a TOS legacy character in it. As has already been said by others, this show officially comes into its own in the season 3 finale...
Well, I think given how many great episodes are in season 3, having a legacy character doesn't detract from the show standing on its own too much. There is arguably more than a handful of episodes this season that are on par or better than this episode. And even if you don't know who Sarek is, I think a lot of folks would enjoy or at least strongly connect with this episode. Because a lot of people have witnessed mental and physical decline of a family member or friend they had put on a pedestal at one point in time.
All I can say without going to spoilers is that the show opened with a legacy character. So why not one more?
@@rhaedas9085 or two....
What makes this episode hit so hard is that it is Sarek. You could have told the episode with any other character in that spot, and it would have worked, but because it was Sarek, a character we have been familiar with for so years at this point, a character we like, it just hits you that much harder. It's the difference between your grandparent going through Dementia and it happening to someone you knows grand parent.
@@rhaedas9085 Is it really a spoiler for someone to say, in a comment, that a franchise that went through seven iterations in the 30+ years past TNG SOMETIMES brought back characters? Me saying "OH, WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE DISCOVERY EPISODE WHERE THEY BRING BACK *character name*" or giving away specific plot points of future stories would be a spoiler.
But simply vaguely hinting that something might happen (or responding when A+J mention that they'd like to see/ wonder if/ think it'd be cool if a character came back or something else happened)... calling that a spoiler?
FFS. I think we take our comments here a bit too seriously...
I don't comment much because I do avoid spoilers. Enjoy
2:20, lol. Remember this conversation guys!!! That's all I got to say about this.
No discussion for the Most Toys? What's up?
No separate discussion was done for The Most Toys
@@targetaudiencebut I needed to see you guys upset at the spoiler commercial! :)
@@targetaudience in my head canon you did make that video, but then decided not to post it because it was too controversial.
The TNG showrunners specifically waited until the show was running well on it's own feet before considering any possibility of a legacy TOS character coming into the series - Dr. McCoy not withstanding in the pilot. They felt as the show was nearing the end of the third season it was finally time for a legacy character to have more than a momentary cameo.
More follow-up shows need to do that.
I really like this announcer. Especially how he drags out the "A" STAR TREK
I'm so glad you liked this episode so much, lots of people see Patrick Stewart's scene near the end as comically over the top (honestly I can't see how).
Someone below said it was "melodramatic and cringe." I asked them how, as an actor, they'd approach a scene in which they were playing a character who was telepathically linked to a person who'd been suppressing their emotions for two hundred years. Still awaiting a reply on that...
When I was younger, I thought so too, but later I came to appreciate it. I think I did not have the emotional maturity myself to see the realism in it.
Don't forget Mark Lennard was the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror.
How could anyone scrolling this comments section ever forget...
the original Harry Mudd actor died around 1986.
Meeting Sarak here is probably like meeting someone with full on dementia or Alzheimer. The effects of Bendai Syndrome are very far along and having Sarak more stressed probably enhanced it. So I think having the character being combative off the bat was fine. I commented on tthe other video that it didn't necessarily have to be Spock that they are talking about. It could have been another son that Sarek had with Perrin. Son getting married 20 years before this episode, wouldn't be out of the realm of possiblity. Kudos to the writing team for not naming Spock for it. Keep it open ended.
I have Bandai syndrome. Contracted from the chemicals in the plastic glue making too many gundam kits.
@@michaelfurlanic3505 LOL
Great episode but am impatiently waiting for the last 2 episodes 🤔
In regards to a crossover with O'Brien and TOS, all I can say is, wait for it... 😂
As you said, these are the episodes that you've been waiting for. Sarek is one of the top TNG episodes. Mark Lenard and Patrick Stewart give amazing performances. The story is touching and timeless - how age will lay low even the best of us. Strong direction from Les Landau. Also, the story and teleplay were by Peter S. Beagle - one of my favorite writers (best known as the author of "The Last Unicorn"). This is just a great episode.
No discussion video for The Most Toys?
Couldn’t wait for your take on the commercials for “the most toys” yet you guys skipped it
I'm ready for DS9 reactions! 🤣🤣
You said the title spoiled it for you: I thought you didn't look at titles anymore.
"Forgive me. My logic is uncertain. . . where my _son_ is concerned."
I remember heating the finger touch was Lenard's suggestion as away to act with out emotion.
Scotty definitely interacted with Kirk and Picard
Actually, Ernie Anderson did the announcements for TNG seasons 1-3.
11:48 "bendy syndrome" LOL dudes, it's called "having joints".
I'm joking, of course. That's just the way I, er, articulate. You could say I have a tendon-cy for shenanigans. Unless I'm elbowed out. I'll stop now.
Since Deanna is half-Betazed and Worf is Klingon, I wonder if they might be less susceptible to the Vulcan telepathic influence than most humans.
I think O'Brien enjoys a good brawl...
He would love throwing himself into the Trouble with Tribbles brawl too....... 0:)
Put him in all the Federation brawls.
(insert self righteous NO SPOILERS reply here...) 🙄
1:08 Ernie Anderson notoriously made fun of bad copy he was asked to voice over. There’s a great clip floating around to his dismay of the copy for ABC sitcom line up he was promoting in the 80s.
Unfortunately, Roger Carmel (Harry Mudd) died a year before TNG even started, denying any possibility for him to come back as-is.
Fortunately, in 1992 _Star Trek: 25th Anniversary_ did have an episode ("Another Fine Mess") based around Mudd, in which the character was fully voiced by veteran voice actor Tom Wyner who did an amazing job impersonating Carmel. Sadly, they couldn't secure the rights to Carmel's likeness, so the character's face is shrouded in shadows in the close-up shots - but the character's full-body sprite generally does look and act like Mudd. In this episode he finds an ancient derelict and begins scavenging it for technology, which causes half the pirates in the sector to come after him. The Enterprise rushes to his defense, after which shenanigans ensue on board the derelict itself.
As far as us TNG fans that thought as kids that TOS was too campy and dated, even we think the Tribble episode is iconic. Also even as someone who generally prefers TNG, for me the continuity with TOS gives it a sense of legitimacy. It wouldn't be the same without it.
As far as fan service. I'm really glad that TNG does it, but also that it only does it sparingly. The new shows mostly either don''t do it, or rely way too heavily on it.
"I am not Leonard Nimoy's Father." --Mark Lenard
@@JeffJedi Prove it.
@miller-joel heard it from the man himself at a convention in the early 90s. He absolutely held sway the group of people he was telling the story to. When he said that line every laughed. He was a great story teller.
@@JeffJedi Let's see a DNA test.
Let’s ask Dr. Leonard McCoy for the DNA test results.
I can't think of one thing you didn't cover here, all of them reasons why this is in my (a) top three of the season (b) top ten all-time TNG, and (c) top twenty all time all-Trek series lists.
The Klingons are always great, the Romulans are always great... you may not believe it right now, but the Ferengi are going to come into their own via DS9 and (past TNG) are always great... but honestly, from TOS all the way through TNG and ENTERPRISE to DISCOVERY and STRANGE NEW WORLDS, THE BEST "ALIEN" EPISODES AND STORIES ARE THE VULCAN-CENTERED EPISODES. No question.
(Sorry to yell that.)
I knew you two would love this one, that it'd resonate for all the reasons you elucidate here.
You mentioned that you wished that Harry Mudd would have appeared on TNG. That wouldn't happen since Roger C. Carmel passed away in 1986, a year before TNG premiered.
Sakketh got Picard to sakketh up and confront Sarek.
Patrick Stewart: “Shall I show you what true acting is Mr Lenard?”
Mark Lenard: “Hold my hat.”
Definitely quite the banger. Great story, great actors, believable and relatable plot.
Minor thing: Lenard was in his late 60s and it did worry me a bit that he was playing Sarek’s breakdown so intensely.
Dennis McCarthy will go on to compose some of the best emotive moments in the franchise. His action material is usually pretty stilted but when hes given rich character material he excels. He will go on to be the tv franchise's best composer after the unfortunate departure of Ron Jones. A sad result of the producers wanting to reduce the music's presence and impact to sonic wallpaper. Something that they will then slowly but thankfully relent on over the coming years of ds9 and voyager.
Stories were stronger back then. Add in sweeps week guest casting, so they could spoil the actual plot. Not since the teaser/trailer for Star Trek 3 has so much major plotting been told in a teaser.
9:25 It's precisely *because* Worf has a naturally more aggressive nature that he _doesn't_ lose his temper -- he's accustomed to being angry and channeling his aggression.
Sarek and Amanda’s finger touch was actually created by Mark Leonard and Jane Wyatt. They felt it would be more appropriate than the typical human embrace. I’ve always felt when Sarek reaches out for Perrin’s hand, he’s decided to let down that one emotional barrier and show his love to his wife.
What the hell is going ON HERE. I WISH I KNEW. The next week's voyage previews of TOS are pretty good too.
Spock is never mentioned of being married after Amok Time pre wedding breakoff by T'Pring.
As you know, Sarek had other children, at least Sybok (died in ST V) and might had another half Human half Vulcan child, with Perrin this time.
Perrin, in other material, still refers at Spock as her son, by her a stepmother status.
So we ultimately don't know whose son's wedding Picard is referring to.
As Vulcans are used to repress their emotions and control them, a Logical Vulcan might not be affected that much by depression, their mental disciplin would basically take over. If anything, an excess of rationality (difficult to imagine what it would look like) could be a Vulcan symptom for depression, I guess?
Sarek, subtely admited his love towards Spock at the end of ST III when the Priestess questions his wish for Refusion: "T'Lar, my logic is uncertain when my son is concerned.
Not to mention that after mindmelding with Kirk he told the capt "If you love them and respect them, you will save them" He diectly referred to LOVE.
The thing is with Vulcans, the signs are there, they are just very subtle to take if you are not used to Vulcan etiquette and mannerisms. Despite the constant repression of their emotions, if you know Vulcans, you can tell apart a Vulcan jerk from a more sympathetic Vulcan.
There are arrogant and a-hole Vulcans, just the same as humans. It all depends if they wish to actually read the room or not when they interact with humans.
Their stoïc behaviour wouldn't disturb me as much as it disturbs McCoy, at least as long as they are not behaving as arrogant hypocrits...
Dont forget his half-sister 😂
Even though Sarek is a beloved TOS character the story for this ep still had to be good so I think it very much counts as a great TNG ep. My mom had dementia and I thought of her when I watched this.
Got to love those old trailers.
Where is the discussion video of The Most Toys?