STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION | TIME'S ARROW (PT 1 & 2) | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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00:00 - Intro
01:14 - Time's Arrow Pt 1
13:29 - Time's Arrow Pt 2
27:19 - Review - ZĂĄbava
Jack London wrote the call of the wild and white fang.
Gods I could disappear into those books when I was younger.
Fun fact-Jack London is exactly 100 years older than I, and Jane Austen is exactly 200 years! As of 2017, I outlived both of them
My favorite by London is a short story called To Build A Fire. It is poignant and makes one feel like they are the ones suffering the misadventures of the character. Truly heartbreaking.
@@elessartelcontar9415 I remember that. I actually named one of my artsy photo submissions after that story about 25 years ago! (As I was just starting my company)
@@elessartelcontar9415 Well, and also realizing pretty much from the get-go this guy was too arrogant to live. He thought he understood where he was and what he was getting into, but he did not. He knew just enough survival to get himself killed.
Cassie may be the only person in history to say "well, guess we'll have to kill Mark Twain" LMAO
That floored me. Cassie you made me laugh.
It was a literal laugh out loud moment.
If this is a correct representation of Twainâs behavior, I actually kind of doubt it.
Eyes widened, she said it so caviler đ
possibly, but if that is in fact an accurate portrayal of Twain's voice, then probably not!
Cassie: "I thought it was Mark Twain for a second."
Mark Twain is a pseudonym of Sam Clemons.
It is Twain!! Right?
@@MikeB12800 Yup
Mr. Clemens would have called it a 'pen name', not a pseudonym.
@@MikeB12800 Yes, Samuel Clemons was his actual name. Mark Twain as mentioned was his ghost name/pseudonym.
Also, the bellboy is Jack London (a famous author) who did write about Alaska.
Cassie, when the old man with the cough was talking about a "49er", it is slang used in that time and refers to a miner who prospected during the California Gold Rush of 1849.
And the California football team is in turn named after them.
Beverly Hills, San Francisco
all the goollld in california...
â@gregweatherup9596 well specifically the San Francisco 49ers.
I was just about to make the same comment.
"In a cavern, in a canyon
Excavating for a mine
Dwelt a miner, forty-niner
And his daughter, Clementine.
"Oh my darling, oh my darling
Oh my darling, Clementine
You are lost and gone forever
Dreadful sorry, Clementine."
Jerry Hardin, who played Clemens, was so well received as Mark Twain in this episode he created a one man show where he played Clemens. He told me it was a life saver when acting jobs were getting farther apart, he could schedule his OMP and he knew that his Star Trek fans would show up to see the play. This part he played continued to pay dividends years after he was in Star Trek. He enjoyed how many "young people" would come to the play after being introduced to the part in Star Trek.
Thatâs very interesting, I never knew that. Hardin would go on to play the character âDeep Throatâ in season one of The X-Files, which many people know him from that role.
Val Kilmer later did this and I'd love to see the performance!
I remember watching during my youth and loving every second of his voice and performance. It felt so genuine to the era. So here I am in '24 somewhat baffled that some would find it grating.
@@redmatter He'd start playing Deep Throat just a year later.
@@flippinLOFI Cassie is maybe the 4th or 5th person I've seen on CZcams who finds Twain in this episode to be unbearably grating and have absolutely no idea who he is. It's a generational thing; Millennials and younger have just never been exposed to portrayals of Twain before. By the time this episode first aired when I was 16, I had already seen Mark Twain portrayed on _several_ different TV shows throughout the '80s, and he was instantly recognizable to me (and to the intended audience in general) the moment he showed up, in both appearance and voice. It really feels like awareness of the past has just died; if it was pre-Internet, it's almost like it just doesn't exist to younger people today.
I literally slapped my head when Cassie said "I thought it was Mark Twain for a second."
Twain died in 1910 but he lived long enough to have his voice recorded. Yes, that is how his voice sounded.
@@garymussell6543 came into the world with Halleyâs Comet and departed this world with it.
Or at least that's how the recording device made it sound.
According to historians there were no surviving recordings of Twainâs voice. He played around with recording on some wax recording cylinders, which were new technology at the time but he didnât like them(supposedly) and got rid of them and the recording equipment. There was a neighbor of his who was a young actor that was good with impressions of various people including Twain, whom he was decent friends with, and his voice WAS recorded while doing an impression.
There was another actor, Hal Holbrook that did a impressionistic interview in 1961(imitating what he thought Twain could have sounded like) and that version sounds EXACTLY like what this actor in star trek sounded like so Iâm figuring he based his performance on that â61 version. There wasnât an internet back in the early 90s when Startrek nxtgen was made for anyone to look up stuff like what Twain would have sounded like(since there wasnât anything) so Holbrooks performance was probably the best thing that actor had to study on what to sound like.
Theodore Roosevelt had a similarly creaky voice.
Of course that may have just been his voice when he was really old...
I got to see Patrick Stewart on New Yearâs Eve perform a one man show of a Christmas carol. He did the show on a break from Star Trek. It was fantastic and truly showed his range.
Back then, you simply did not get to be a British TV and movie actor without putting in serious lengthy work in theaters first. by the time he got to America to work on some probably-doomed science fiction sequel series, he'd earned his acting stripes in the most disciplined career path for acting on the planet.
"Circumstances demand that I take you into my confidence." I wish I could talk like that
One need but to choose to do so.
Step 1: stop caring whether anyone thinks you're silly.
Step 2: live your life however the hell you want (within ethics and morality, of course).
Just do. I do all the time. Some people get confused but its a hoot.
*Cassie's villain origin to protect the mission:* " I guess we'll have to kill him!" 11:49 đ
*Note to self:* Don't eavesdrop on Cassie.
Ha ha.
Exactly
"In a cavern in a canyon,
Excavating for a mine,
Dwelt a miner, Forty-niner,
And his daughter Clementine>"
Hey, that's exactly what I said, um, sang!XD I guess genius thinks alike!;)
In case anybody is wondering what was said in French at the poker table,
The poker player (who was totally NOT a Cardassian) said: My parents were from Bourgon.
Data's response was: Then we are almost brothers.
the poker player did nothing wrong
I wonder if that Frenchman's "ducat" inspired the poker player later on somehow...
@@Aeroldoth3 What a Gul đ
It could just be me but I just think what the poker player needed was a good tailor
Attention french workers.
Jack London (the bellhop) was another famous writer who wrote White Fang and the Call of the Wild.
That's one of the little grace notes of this episode I have always loved since it first aired, that Mark Twain and Jack London may have casually met one day and Twain gave London inspiration to write. And write he did! He passed in his early 40s but left a huge amount of high-quality work for us to savor.
Bless you for knowing that it was making me itch thinking no one knew it.
Jerry Hardin, the actor who played Clemens/Twain, became so enamored of the character in this story that he developed a one-man show of himself as Clemens/Twain and toured the country after this story was aired.
Thanks for that. I couldnât remember if this came before or after. Jerry Hardin was a gentleman, and most famous to my generation for his pivotal role in The X-Files.
Loved Deep Throat in season 1 of the X-Files. I got into that show during HS (after STTNG had ended) and it was the summer in between s1 and s2... a friend online sent me VHS tapes of all of s1 and I caught up super quick (it was probably my first binging experience, really!).
Got me prepped for season 2 by Labor Day!
After this episode I did some historical research and found that Jack London and Mark Twain were indeed in San Francisco at about the same time. The real Jack London was pretty much as portrayed in this episode; just a hustler kind of guy doing odd jobs and scratching around trying to make a living. At the time, Twain was famous and London was unknown.
Who knows? The real Twain and London may have indeed crossed paths at some point, with Twain offering the young London some advice that set him on a path that led to "Call of The Wild" and "White Fang."
"Truth is stranger than fiction."
The "frenchman" at the poker game, by the way, is Marc Alaimo, who has played many characters on Star Trek. His most famous is the Cardassian Gul Dukat on Deep Space Nine. One of my favorite parts of this two-parter is at the end in the cave when Guinan says "I'll see you in 500 years" and Picard says "And I'll see you in 5 minutes".
Also one of the bad guys in Total Recall org
Also the Romulan Commander in Season 1 TNG The Neutral Zone
Greatest villain in all of Star Trek.
@@thecaptain134 I think I would have to agree with that. Marc plays him so well, making him creepily fascinating. He was the villain you loved to hate. By the way, if anyone likes Deep Space Nine and Marc Alaimo and the other characters from that excellent show, I highly recommend watching the 2 hour DS9 documentary "What We Left Behind" for free (with ads) on CZcams Movies and TV. One of the things they do in it is very cool: The writers get together and formulate a virtual 8th season with Nog as captain of his own ship. Anyway, here it is: czcams.com/video/Ya8WTQc93yI/video.htmlsi=-YcG4dejLtn_WXSa
Cassie: "I thought it was Mark Twain for a second..." Me: "Wellllllllllll...."
Yeah, wouldn't it have been cool if it were Mark Twain?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
@@Wizardofgosz it was Mark Twain
@@penguin82875 Yes I know. Thanks.
Although I know it probably won't win any Patreon polls, I wish Cassie would watch DS9. She'd love Sisko, Dax, Bashir, and Odo...
Seriously. I hope she can be convinced to watch DS9 before moving on to the newer movies.
It's too bad DS9 never got the movie treatment otherwise she would have.
I doubt it will happen. This is primarily a movie reaction channel and Cassie is watching the STTNG episodes to get an idea about the characters before re-starting viewing the movies with 'Generations'. You're right though, it'd be a shame if she doesn't do DS9...
That - even more than TOS and TNG - is NOT a show one would really enjoy watching only 4 - 8 episodes per season...
@@eugeneshadwell6596 Honestly, I hope she skips Generations and only watched First Contact and Insurrection as the first and last TNG movies do an incredible discervice to the characters. I'm sure she will watch them all - but it's really sad how the movies did TNG dirty.
I still amuses me, that in the scene where they're in the boarding house talking, they all look so uncomfortable in their 19th century clothing...except Picard, who looks perfectly at ease.
To be fair, their outfits are all very formal and stiff, unlike his.
because he spent more time on the holodeck than he lets on
Mind blower: In the season three finale, when Picard was commiserating because he didn't know whether human civilization would survive the Borg attack, and he cried to Guinan about it, and Guinan tried to console him... Though she didn't say it, she knew all along that Picard and humanity would prevail, because she knew that he had not yet gone back in time to meet her in 19th Century San Francisco, which he couldn't do if he was dead or assimilated. Mind blown...
BIGGER Mind blower.
In season 3, episode 6 Booby Trap.
Guinan tells Geordi that she's attracted to bald men
Geordi asks why?
Guinan: "Maybe because a bald man was kind to me once, when I was hurting. He took care of me"
That man was Picard.
@@jameskelly3502 That's the one that really gets me because it proves that the writers planned this adventure and kept it in their back pocket for almost 3 seasons. That's a lot of restraint for a show that's more-or-less episodic!
@@jameskelly3502 đ€Ż
@@bigdream_dreambig MAYBE. It could of been, because of the Episode order, that they meant to leave it ambigous. When watching that episode back in the 90s most thought it was Picard but was some incident years before them being on Enterprise. Technically right but most of us thought it was in the 23 century. When they wrote these episodes they likely just decided to have quite a few payoffs to little bits of lore dropped here and there.
@@jameskelly3502 And tie ins like this is why writing of TNG era trek is sooo much better than current trek, that can't even be consistent inside the same episode.
Fun fact (no spoilers): almost the entire cast of TNG did voices for the cartoon show Gargoyles. Brent Spiner played Puck, the trickster from A Midsummer Nightâs Dream, and the voice heâs using as Puck in this episode is the same he uses in Gargoyles đ€
Gargoyles was pretty good
@@rafetizer 99% of the animated shows of today and the last couple of decades will never be even half as good as Gargoyles.
I also binged that show, when it was on. Jonathan Frakes as Xanatos and Marina Sirtis as Demona.
Titania (the role the woman read) was voiced by Kate Mulgrew.
@@Cau_No Xanatos is easily one of the most charismatic villains animated media has ever produced, smooth like silk with a knife in it. Demona is a little closer to Marina Sirtis than Deanna is. Demona is so infuriating because she really does cause all her own problems. One hot Gargoyle though.
â@Cau_No when Janeway's holographic boyfriend asks her if she's the fair folk's Queen, it's a reference to her Gargoyles role as Titania.
Gul Dukat at the poker table made me scream out loud. I love when they reuse actors.
He was also in season 1 as a dog alien that didn't get along with the cobra people.
That was the real Guinan there. Could it have been the real Dukat as well?
"I thought that was Mark Twain for a second"đ€... đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
When she called Samuel Clemens, Colonal Sanders, I nearly spat my coffee! đ€Ł
The enterprising young bell hop was celebrated author Jack London, who would have been 17 in 1893. London would become enamored of the Alaskan frontier, writing such classics as _White Fang_ and _The Call of the Wild._
I'm a fan of Twain, which was his penname btw. His actual birth name was Samuel Langhorn Clemens. In terms of his personality, he was rather notorious as being a long-spoken and very gruff individual when it came to his ideas. He also had a particular disdain for the human species as a whole and when it came to his witticisms he put most people off. I imagine the episode did a pretty good job of portraying him as the average individual would have seen him and interacted.
Its been 30 years and my Mom still doesn't grasp how Data can have 2 heads at the same time. She needs Doc Brown form Back to the Future to draw her a diagram đ
Basically, Data's head now is 500 years older than the rest of his body. So is the watch Mark Twain kept on him at the end.
(It seems, Sam Clemens understood the time paradox good enough, he even wrote a time-jump story before, the one mentioned in this episode)
This is really simple as far as time travel stories go. I hate to think how she's react to the River Song arc in Doctor Who.
Some people just aren't built for those kind of thoughts. I suppose they learn different things growing up and without that formative interest they don't put together the higher level nitty pickys. It's like how I noped out of math in middle school and thus will never be an accountant but I'm lots good at other stuff.
@@StormsparkPegasus Oh geez, just the Regeneration part of DW would wrinkle her brain.
She's just not thinking 4th dimentionally.
In 1849 the California Gold Rush started. The gold was found at Sutter's Mill near Coloma CA. The miners who traveled there were called "49ers". Yes that's why San Francisco's NFL team are called the "49ers".
"Mark Twain?! I don't want to be annoyed by MARK TWAIN!" Classic PIB moment right there. I'm still laughing about it now.
yup, that was a LOL moment.
Again, thank you for your authentic enjoyment of the show. I hate when people fake it and appreciate you not insulting our intelligence
LMFAO đ mr Colonel Sanders, that's Mark Twain my dear, Samuel Clemens was his real name LOL
"Well, I guess we'll have to kill him"
He looks like KFC
And you got it wrong she said Saunders lol
Jerry Hardin played Mark Twain. He's still alive at 94.
Samuel Clemons is Mark Twain.
Mark Twain was a riverboat term.
@@Dularr a measurement of river depth, in fact. Mark one. Mark twain. Mark three.
And, "I guess we'll have to kill him." :)
And Jack London was John Chaney, so he probably would not have given his pen name.
Or is Mark Twain Samuel Clemons đ€
I understand why you're only watching a few selected episodes from each season. However, just know that watching your reactions to all 178 episodes is a "Trek" I would have happily taken with you!
Same. They all have their contribution to the whole experience, and there are so many little gems worth seeing that will never be at the top of any poll.
I'd hop on board that trek. I'm not a reactions fan but I really like this channel. I think it's because I once tried to introduce my ex to TNG but she refused to give it a chance. Somehow watching with Cassie makes up for it.
Hi. Cassie how are you doing tonight I. Just watched. Your reaction to Star trek. Tng. Two. Part. Episode. Time s. Arrow. One of my favorite. Episode s of all time. And I love it. And I love. Your t. Shirt. Say s. Picard. Riker. 24. Make it. So. Can. You tell me where to. Get. One. Make. It. So. Shawn walker
For me, I'm thankful she'll never subject us to every episode of TNG or any series with many multiple seasons.
At least she's mentioned she may go and watch more episodes on her own and just not react to them on her channel.
Twain's every sentence could be prefaced by "I do declare!"
William Boyett (1927-2004), who in Part II here plays the policeman who confronts Riker, also played the police detective in the first Dixon Hill episode of _TNG,_ "The Big Goodbye", who tries to arrest Hill for the murder of Jessica Bradley. He was a regular in _Adam-12_ (1968-1975), where he played Reed's & Malloy's sergeant, "Mac" MacDonald.
This episode plays out like an episode of Doctor Who and I love it so much.
It's more a rehash of "City on the Edge of Forever".
"I don't want to be annoyed by Mark Twain!" From what I understand, the man was Ornery. As. Eff. :P ("The Adventures of Mark Twain", a 1985 Claymation film, actually leans into this fact.)
I think Cassie caught the essence of what's off about this impression: the shouting. I can see why he's doing it in the salon with Guinan because he's speaking to the whole room, but please please tell me that Clemons at least knew volume control in real life. I think this is a case of a director unwilling to tell the renowned guest actor to tone it down a skosh.
That clay-mation film is actually REALLY good, but it also has some REALLY creepy visuals, considering that it was maketed for young children.
I peronally know a few people, who are adults now, but saw the movie as kids, and it scared the piss out of them (literally, in one case), and who still refuse to re-watch that film, because it terrified them so much.
@@quwykxzI remember liking that film a lot as a kid, but was surprised at how creepy it was when I saw it as an adult.
@@quwykxz *"Welcome to the Mysterious Stranger!"* "Who are you?" ~"An aaaangeeellll..."~
I grew up near Hannibal. I always took it that he was a notorious tease and grump, but at least some contemporaries thought it was funny. He was a touring attraction for a reason!
"I don't want to be annoyed by Mark Twain!" That's exactly how I felt about this episode.
Amazing how shallow and superficial people can be.
â@@RideAcrossTheRiver Don't be too hard on Twain now
@@furtherback6131 You're the audience that despises intelligence. Not a who ... but an it.
A lot of geniuses weren't necessarily likable people. I would even venture those were a decisive minority of the bunch.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver I'd say dust off that vibrator and give yourself with some downtime, it may ease the tension!
Fun fact the actor that played mark twain was so interested in the character and later created a one man show about him
He was also in a Season One episode.
i'm on the opposite side in that it's quite confusing to me how people can't understand time paradoxes/causality loops , it's pretty simple to get.
They don't and cannot happen.
'Mark Twain' was the pen name of author Samuel L. Clemens. One of Clemens' many careers was riverboat pilot, and the term 'mark twain' was a riverboat term referring to the depth of the water the boat was navigating. A leadsman would stand near the bow of the boat with a 30-foot weighted rope marked in 1-fathom (6-foot) increments, and further into one-quarter-fathom fractions. 'Mark twain' or 'mark two' referred to 2 fathoms, or 12 feet of water depth. The leadsman would take the sounding and sing out the depth, loud enough for the pilot to hear it and make steering decisions for the boat.
By way of example, these are some actual soundings called out by a leadsman, of a boat going from no detectable bottom (deeper than 4 fathoms) to nearly running aground, taken from an amusing story in chapter 13 of Clemens' book _Life on the Mississippi:_ "'D-e-e-p four!' M-a-r-k three!... M-a-r-k three... Quarter less three!... Half twain! Quarter twain! Quarter twain! MARK twain! Quarter LESS twain! Nine and a HALF!"
I like to think that Sam Clemens, with his fertile imagination, must have been somewhat amused by the two-fathom term, and everytime he heard a leadsman sing it out, thinking how it sounded like someone's name, and that was what prompted him to adopt it as his pen name when he became an author.
Cassie seems to have a Crush on Riker. My brother actually dated Johnathan Frake's first wife when they were 14. So many memories.
Fun fact: Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, and even Armin 'Quark' Shimerman appeared on _Hill Street Blues._
She also has a crush on Picard, don't forget.
Mark Twain pretty much sounded just like that in real life. He was quite a character.
"49er" refers to miners that took part in the 1849 gold rush.
I'm always shocked at the amount of classic literature people don't know. Sam Clemens IS Mark Twain, and Jack London is famous for the Call of the Wild, White Fang and the Sea Wolf
PLUS only about the dirtiest line of Shakespeare ever! The writers knew the boorishness of the TV audience.
most people are not well-cultured
schools are fear+obedience submission conformity domestication indoctrination stations, training people to be slaaves for the rest of their lives
any semblence of anything else is to sell it is at notthat to the masses
She is Canadian. I wouldnât necessarily expect her to know that much about 19th century American authors.
True story, I was ragging on her about not knowing Samuel Clemens while watching this video. My wife looked at me and said name one Canadian author. Of course, as an American, I couldnât think of any.
@@KevinGerhart1701 Like I said earlier, I am Canadian. I know both authors very well. Surely you know Lucy Maud Montgomery of Anne of Green Gables fame?
@@KevinGerhart1701 canadians are americans
america is north, central, south america - you mean the united states
Not everyone likes every episode. People will always disagree about everything. That's ok.This is a subjective matter and unimportant in the grand scheme of life. There is no existential crisis here. Therefore I hope people will learn to disagree without being disagreeable. Cassie, you decide what you think about this two-parter. I'm on the side of those who liked it. There is some great character acting here, the story is very sci-fi and very Star Trek, and I for one quite enjoyed it. The character cameos are fun.
It's fine for people having different opinions, but she's watching this INSTEAD of other episodes. Do you really think Time's Arrow is even equal to The Survivors? How about a random episode like The Pegasus? Any of the Moriarty episodes? She already watched Data's Day, which is a colossal waste of time merely to set up Drumhead. If people wanted a Data focused episode, why not Lal? Or the Lore episodes?
This is one of my favorites. Very fun and rewatchable, and I love Twain going from villain to lovable old man hero.
ââ@@ICameHereToComplain How about just letting Cassie enjoy whatever episodes she chooses and be here to enjoy her discovery of Star Trek? I have no problem with her choices because she is a free person able to make whatever decisions she wants. This is entertainment and not anything critical to life. So I'm not sure why people get all upset about her choices. It's just not that important. I'm sure she'll one day watch all the episodes in her own time and will see it all. So why cause a problem with complaining about her choices here? I'm here to enjoy whatever she decides to watch. Besides she has already said she intends to watch all the season finales plus individual episodes.
@@jkhoover yes! The actor who portrayed him is a legendary character actor and been on everything from Dallas to the The Gold Girls, and another Star Trek TNG episode. He was phenomenal as Mark Twain. I completely bought his portrayal and wouldn't be surprised at all if he portrayed him accurately. He actually even resembled some of the pictures I have of Mr. Clemens.
@@StoptheInsanityofRegressivism Oh, I know the actor well. He steals Wesley in Season 1, but I remember him well from The Firm. One of my favorite movies.
âI thought that was Mark Twain for a secondâ
âŠoh Cassy. You sweet summer child.
Summer Child by Conan Grey
You see all the flowers in the weeds
You're scared of the dark when you sleep
You cover up your arms with your sleeves
Even in hundred-degree heat
Your father was awfully mean
Your favorite color is green
It reminds you of the summer you turned three
Runnin' through sprinklers on your street
And you laugh and you dance in the wind
And you sway and you hug and you kiss
But there's darkness behind those eyes
Even when you smile
Oh, summer child
You don't have to act like all you feel is mild
You don't really love the sun, it drives you wild
You're lyin', summer child
Aren't you way too busy
Taking care of everybody
To take care of yourself?
When the sun goes missing
Aren't the flowers just as pretty?
Aren't the oceans just as deep?
The trees as green?
And as for me
I'll watch you weep
Oh, summer child
You don't have to act like all you feel is mild
You don't really love the sun, it drives you wild
You're lyin', summer child
I love that you're getting so into Star Trek. It's really fun for me to watch someone get so onto something I've been a fan of my whole life
Mark Twain was one of Americaâs greatest writers. He was also a renowned orator. Itâs the orator/performer we see here. I recommend Hal Holbrookâs âMark Twain Tonight!â
Also a great prankster.
As a Brit I'm not an expert in American literature but Samuel Clements was the real name of author Mark Twain. The bellboy Jack London also became an author, I think he wrote about all sorts of jobs and adventures he had, interesting people he met, etc. Presumably inspired by these incredible events!
7:13, Mark Alaimo! Played a Mars Company cop in Total Recall. Will be a voice to remember if you head into spinoffs.
Oh, he was also one of the first two Romulans you meet in Season 1 TNG
Tbh, this is actually my favorite STNG episode. Clemens did write a Yankee in King Arthur's Court in 1889, so time travel was not an unknown idea. Jerry Hardin, the actor who played Twain/Clemens had never played Twain to that point, but became enamored with the role and created a 1 man show where he plays Twain. His portrayal is fairly accurate as the real Clemens was a bit of character. A lot more to the guy than just Huck Finn...
Yeah the innovation that H.G. Wells added to literature was making time travel as technological achievement rather than a good hit to the head. No doubt Yankee in King Arthur's Court is why Twain is in this episode.
@@lucasbachmann I Agree
this is where mark twain got the inspiration for "a yankee in king author's court" lol
*King Arthur
Clemens/Twain having a distrust of Data's invention and technology does make sense. In real life he was offered an opportunity to be a founding partner in what would become AT&T. He turned it down partially because he didn't understand how it worked. He also saw phones as a toy for the rich, and thought they'd eventually become bored or annoyed with others being able to contact them quickly and without warning.
he probably thought the telegraph was a "Boy's toy too". Yet it was established technology in his day.
He was so prescient! đ
Two of my favorite episodes. I spent a lot of time in Hannibal MO as a kid and Mark Twain was my grandmotherâs favorite author.
The twist here is on Twain's _Connecticut Yankee._
I was lucky enough to watch this when it originally aired. I live within a reasonable commute away from San Francisco, so seeing it in fiction is always interesting. I've been a huge bookworm throughout my life, so seeing Mark Twain and Jack London in TNG was so cool back then. I've always appreciated how Star Trek incorporates literary references into its writing. Also, I visited/hiked at Jack London State Historic Park (which includes his house, the burned ruins of his mansion, and both his and his wife's graves) the day before Thanksgiving last year. Good times.
The thing that'll bake your noodle, considering you've seen The Guardian of Forever, is that the Enterprise's timeline exists (in part) because all the people the aliens killed weren't influential on the future. Things apparently turned out exactly as they were supposed to.
A "Pre-destination" Paradox.
For those not in the know about Temporal Mechanics. Its the situation in which you realize you do somthing in the past, here that Datas head is found on earth 100s of years before he was even built. The Paradox dictates that in order for time to flow as it should that sometime in the future you MUST go back in time and do whatever it is you do in order for time to occur the way you know it to. Again in this case Data HAS to go back to 1900s Earth because his head is found in a cave in the 23rd century thats been undisturbed for 500 years.
@@memnarch129 That's 1800s Earth/19th Century.
@@memnarch129 24th century, but yes.
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Isnât that also known as the boot-strap paradox, or is that something different?
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That severed cyborg head in the dirt was kind of haunting. Looked like an episode of The Walking Dead there for a second.
Data got a head of himself. The whole story is based around a pun.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver That's not the way to get ahead in life.
@@ct6852 Oh yes it is! ... If you work for Brannon Braga.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Was just throwing in a little pun from Austin Powers. Too easy to pass up.
@@ct6852 Sea bass.
Always a joy to spend some time with you Cassie. And I agree Mr Clemens voice was a bit grating, however the actor (Jerry Hardin) did a good job in his portrayal. Hal Holbrook used to do a one man show called An Evening with Mark Twain (I think) which I was fortunate enough to see many years ago, and Mr. Hardin compares favorably.
@@tackysum heâs 94 now and still kicking! (Also heâs Melora Hardinâs father)
@@charlie.on.youtube Right, he's best known as a character on the X files called Deep Throat.
Val Kilmer then did this
That's pretty much how he sounded. His voice was recorded.
6:44 yes, the 49ers were people who came here (the San Francisco Bay Area) when gold was discovered here, seeking fortune...starting in 1849. đ
14:01 yes, Mark Twain was the nom de plume of Samuel Clemens, who made several visits to our fair city. đ
16:00 Jack London was a famous American author as well; he wrote, for example, The Call of the Wild. There is a Jack London Square in Oakland, on the eastern shore of the San Francisco Bay. đ
The dumbest thing about this episode is showing San Francisco as a sunny, dusty place. Twain said the dreariest winter he'd ever experienced was a summer in San Francisco.
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San Francisco is VERY sunny, but it stays colder than us down here in Silicon Valley, even though both are on San Francisco Bay (hence "San Francisco Bay Area"), because down here we have the Santa Cruz Mountains blocking the breeze from the Pacific, and San Francisco is directly exposed. The breeze from San Fancsico Bay does cool us off at night, though. đ
Right now it's 105 F (40.5 C), but tonight it should get down to 65 at least (18.3 C) because of the breeze from the Bay. đ
I have the AC going full blast, but no environmental guilt because we're still about 70% zero emission power in California right now. đ After the Sun goes down, we have another 5-6 hours of solar power stored in the world's largest energy storage system, currently 10.3 GWh and growing rapidly. đ
"If you try to employ logic to temporal mechanics, you'll just drive yourself crazy - or, at least give yourself one massive headache." - Captain Katherine Janeway, commanding Federation starship Voyager.
And yet the logic of this pair of episodes is entirely sound. Whatever happened in the past already happened from the perspective of the present, even if it involves people who traveled to the past from the present or the future.
Perhaps unknowingly, the writers of the Matrix provided a very good sentence to describe the causal nature or the universe -- "What happened happened and couldn't have happened any other way."
the most annoying character ever in Star Trek?
unbearable, arrogant narcissist - the actress too!
@@user-ih5jr8rt5q To be fair every character in Voyager was unbearable in their own way.
@@lucasbachmann they're mostly quite bad, but I'd only cal Janeway and Neelix unbearable
actually like 7 of 9 and what they did there/think that was well done (and I'm not a booob-oogler appeal-person)
Women are famously bad at logic. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Archer never had any trouble with it.
S6: Relics, *, Ship in a Bottle, Tapestry & Frame of Mind. *Bonus video: Chain of Command 1+2
S7: Parallels, The Pegasus, Lower Decks, Genesis & *. *Bonus Video: All Good Things... (Finale, double length)
Let's go, Patreon! đ€đ€
He programmed it into Data's head that got trapped in the past. That's the one they found in the future, and attached to Data's body when he came back without a head. Even though he lost it in the past, he got it back in the future.
Jack London is another classic writer. He wrote "White Fang" and "The Call of the Wild". Great adventure books.
Itâs always a great evening when I get to see Cassie!đ
Okay. Time travel, at least in tv and movies, can be explained by how the writers deal with paradoxes.
A paradox is a contradiction in reality. Basically, something happens that can't happen. Like going back in time and killing your younger self or preventing yourself from time travelling in the first place.
This episode is basically just like Terminator. John Connor sends Kyle Reese back in time to keep a terminator from killing his mother Sarah Connor. Kyle Reese ends up impregnating Sarah and John, his future commander is born. John grows up to be the Resistance leader and sends Reese back in time again creating a loop.
This is what is known as a closed loop timeline. Everything that happens will happen and must happen the way it did before or the events that will happen won't happen.
There are 2 other types of time travel but I don't want to confuse you further. đ
Here's something for you. In the season 3 episode 'Booby Trap', there is what at the time seemed to be a throwaway line by Guinan, where she admits she's attracted to bald men because, in her words, "a bald man was kind to me once, looked after me when I was hurting."
"Mark Twain! I don't want to be annoyed by Mark Twain!" said by every American student in their 7th grade intro to American Literature class.
Love your reaction Cassie. Dilly Dilly.
Not sure if the Patreon polls for Season 6 are up, but here are my picks: (Note: This will mirror how you did Season 5)
Part 1:
- Relics
- Chain of Command Parts 1 & 2
Part 2:
- Tapestry
- Starship Mine
- Lessons
Also, if you do continue on with more Star Trek, will you consider a reaction to âEmissaryâ; the pilot episode for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
Jerry Hardin, the actor who played Twain, is the father of actress Melora Hardin, who played Jan Levinson on "The Office." As he has said, thankfully she looks nothing like him!
She also played Trudy Monk on _Monk,_ and was originally cast as Jennifer in _Back to the Future._ (She was replaced by Claudia Wells when Michael J. Fox replaced Eric Stoltz as Marty, because Melora was too much taller than Michael.)
So may great easter eggs in this episode. Mark Twain to start with... A 49er is someone who was a gold miner in California at the time. The shaft he fell down was a mine shaft. Also, Jack London, the bell boy that Data befriends becomes the famous writer who wrote legendary novels like The Call of the Wild (a high school favorite) which was inspired by his adventures in Alaska (which was encouraged here by Mark Twain while getting him out of Data's room).
One of my favorites! I always love the time travel episodes.
This is my favorite episode because it spans our present time. Data's part and the watch are there right now.
It's also kinda weird that Guinan is called "Madam Guinan" (at 10:07) while Q was saying to her in the episode Q-Who, "You are called Guinan now?"
That would suggest that she first met Q before the 1890s, and they didn't encounter each other again until the Enterprise.
Either that, or she changed her name at least once after the 1890s, and changed it back sometime in the next 500 years.
The main guy in the poker game (Frederick La Rouque) was played by Marc Alaimo (Gul Dukat).
49er is a reference to gold prospectors and the California gold rush of 1849.
Some made it big and others like the one Data met didn't do so well.
Obligatory trivia, the Frenchman at the poker table is the same actor as Gul Dukat from DS9.
I think heâs supposed to be Cajun.
@@gawainethefirst Cajuns are descendants of French Canadians
They reuse actors in Star Trek all the time.
Boy, I sure hope she does DS9
Rumor has it, he likes... baseball
I don't know if this is one of the more popular episodes or not but I've got a real soft spot for it and have since I saw it when it first aired on TV.
Cassie's comment when Mark Twain was discovered to be eavesdropping.... "Well, I suppose we'll have to kill him." đČ Wow! That was brutally cold.... Cassie is no longer the innocent soul that first appeared three years ago. I wonder are those John Wick movies starting influencing her subconscious đ€
I assumed that by "we," she meant the writers, not the Enterprise crew.
Oh Cassie, you are going to love this!!!!!!!! No spoilers from me but man do I want to discuss this with somebody. I will leave you with a bit of wisdom from one Mark Twain - "Always obey your parents... when they are present." Enjoy.
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Mark Twain (Sam Clemens) took his pen name from the call, âmark twain!â shouted by riverboat crew measuring the depth of a river. Literally mark the length of rope making contact with the river bottom. Twain is an archaic word for âtwoâ. In this case, two fathoms. A fathom is an archaic unit of measure for water depth.
Sam Clemens IS Mark Twain. Mark Twain was his Pen Name. Data's little red cap friend is Jack London, the great adventure author, famous for novels like White Fang.
This is story of why Ginan later says that she likes bald men. A later show forgets that this is the story of them meeting for the first time and not later. As for the timeline đ it's all about the POV.
I hate all of the Premier intro sequences.
The show does not forget ⊠in that reality Picard never went to the past and thus never had met that realityâs Guinan. Of course, âourâ Picard had, but that Guinan had no recall of such events that will not have been happened (tempus is difficult to nail when time travel is part of the equation:)
What Uttula said. General Picard never had this adventure, so he never would've gone back to the 1800s to meet that Guinan, so that is (technically) a second First Meeting.
Time Travel in one timeline is hard enough to keep straight - throwing in Alternate Timelines on top is just that much more difficult.
@@uttula The show _does_ forget. It shows her bar as being on the corner of 10th street and Forward street, hence the name of the bar on the Enterprise. The people who made the show genuinely didn't know that it's just deck 10, forward saucer section.
@@DarthLocutus0 Picard isn't a General he's a captain. In the show "Star Trek Picard" he was a retired Admiral, but he was never a General.
Samuel Clemons wrote using the name Mark Twain with was a term for testing the deepness of the water on the rivers....
I love this two parter because it is more of a "fun" story - and while not one of the best stories of TNG, I still love it to this day. Sometimes we need the "fun" aspects of Star Trek and this one really does it well.
6:41 A forty-niner is a reference to a "Miner forty-niner" he was a miner in 1849 during the California Gold Rush that ran from 1848 - 1855 who is now down on his luck.
Cassie is so cute đ„° and adorable. Itâs such a shining light
Ignorance isn't cute or adorable.
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@@kevinlewallen4778 I agreed her ignorance is pretty grating sometimes.
It must be the Canadian education. I thought everyone knew that Mark Twain was a pen name and his real name was Samuel Clemons. "Nom de plume".
Stephan King used to write under the name Richard Bachman.
There are tons of actors and singers with stage names. Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, Snoop Dogg, Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen, Nicolas Cage, Meg Ryan...
When it comes to actors, a lot of the stage names are because of guild rules. And in other cases they're trying to hide their true ethnicity.
Twain was a busy body and a swindler at some times. He was quite the character. I have always enjoyed these episodes. Great reactions Cassie!
I always tear up when Troy explains the future to Twain đđ€đ
Giving up cigars, though? Screw that.
it's an extreme lie
there is no eradication of any of those things, and the eradication of those things doesn't mean progress, it means tyranny and being removed from nature
the federation is a tyrannical authoritarian militarized entity interested in conformity+obedience to their dictations
idealized socialism for the naive sheltered masses
but there's still a lot of good stuff there, just have to realize what else it has going on
hemogenization, othering (entire species are treated as uniformly '1' thing and anything that isn't like that 1 thing is seen as aberrant to the 'norm')
Hope you are having an great and awesome day â€
Samuel Clemens IS Mark Twain (his pen name). And the boy bellhop Jack London became another famous author.
Jack London, the bellhop, is also a famous American writer. He wrote Call of the Wild, among many others.
When the crew of Voyager are stuck in the 1990's, Data's head is still in the cave, they could have left a message to be revealed to Data after they left.
I don't think they knew about that
But Data's head was re-attached like 10 years before the Voyager crew made that expidition to Earth's past. Putting a message in his head that woulda been seen 10 yeats before they even got stuck in another quadrant might've messed up the timeline. Then again.......... Janeway never did care about stuff like that, so......?
They also were in LA not San Francisco. Err auto correct and me not proofreading. đ€Șđ
@@rexmundi2986 Janeway could leave a message just like Picard did but with a note to not open it until Stardate XYZ, the date depending on if she just wanted to let everyone know they were alive, or to stop the trip to the Delta Quadrant entirely
Good point, but the writers never thought of that I guess. That would have been an interesting story.
"Mark Twain?! I don't want to be annoyed by Mark Twain!" She really is one of us â€ïž
Twain's intelligence cuts everyone to shreds in this episode.
"I thought it was Mark Twain for a second" That one hurt, right in my brain hole.
There was another famous writer in these episodes. Jack London was the bellboy helping Data.
A noted expert on time travel once said: "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff." According to the Doctor, time can be as elastic as space, and we know that space can be stretched and pulled and have waves. Time travel would require exotic energy or matter or more energy from normal matter than the universe can provide. But it is possible.
The only thing sadder than posting that would be if you typed it from memory.