Did India Really Lose the Peace After Winning the 1971 War? New Book By C. Dasgupta Shatters Myths
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In a 30-interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, Chandrashekhar Dasgupta, a former Ambassador to China and the European Union, and the author of ‘India and the Bangladesh Liberation War: The Definitive Story’ says: “: “The records conclusively disprove the story popularised by Field Marshal Manekshaw that he had dissuaded Prime Minister Indira Gandhi in April from sending an unprepared Indian army into East Pakistan.”
Mr. Dasgupta points out that although under pressure from some members of her Cabinet to intervene in April 1971, Indira Gandhi had made up her mind to wait for several months. Her Principal Advisor, P. N. Haksar said: “We cannot, at the present stage, contemplate armed intervention at all …. it would evoke hostile reactions from all over the world and all the sympathy and support which the Bangladesh (cause) has been able to evoke in the world will be drowned in (an) Indo-Pak conflict.”
It was against this background that Mrs. Gandhi asked for Manekshaw’s opinion. This is what Mr. Dasgupta writes: “The Prime Minister asked for the Army Chief Gen. Sam Manekshaw’s opinion, knowing fully well that he would need time to prepare for a major unplanned contingency. Failing to see through the Prime Minister’s political ploy, Manekshaw, a gifted raconteur, circulated a colourful tale about how he had restrained Mrs. Gandhi from ordering the Indian army to march into East Pakistan in April.”
A second myth shattered in Mr. Dasgupta’s book is about who was “the principal architect” of the invasion plan of 1971. Most people have assumed it was Manekshaw. Mr. Dasgupta’s book shows that it was, in fact, the Chief of Staff of Eastern Command, Maj. Gen. JFR Jacob, as he then was.
The original plan was based on the belief that the war would be ended before an unconditional Pakistani surrender could happen by a UN enforced ceasefire and, therefore, “the aim … was to occupy the major part of Bangladeshi territory and to place the Pakistani forces in an untenable position that would soon compel them to withdraw from the rest of the territory.” It was Jacob who insisted that Dacca “was the geopolitical heart of East Pakistan and its capture should be the key objective of army operations.”
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Mr Dasgupta passed away earlier this year, at the ripe age of 82. I found his book at the local library and was intrigued by it, after i was done with the book i decided to look him up on the internet, in order to hear the tales from the man himself and found myself a bit saddened on finding out that he was no more.
I was a boy when the war was on.It was India's proudest moment since Independence. We were on the top of the world. We needed this fillip after 1962 debacle.
If we are united socio-economically all around the country, these things will not happen… The only thing most of our elected representatives look or seek from us is to Diverge, divide, disunite, for their power.
That's been happening since independence. It's just the BJP is not hiding it.
There's no animosity amongst the general public of both the communities against each other ! They want to live in peace and harmony ! It was the politicians - on both sides of the divide - who had failed us ! The sequence of events in the lndian History leading to the partition will amply testify to this historical fact !
Leaders come from people.. don't they ?
It's a stark reality ! Truth hurts and hurts very deep, indeed ! How right was Lao Tzu in his assessment in saying - "Truth is not always beautiful nor beautiful words the truth !"
The answer is very much implicit in the narrative itself ! What's absolutely required is - proper application of mind ! However, it's an altogether different issue, if someone feigns ignorance intentionally !
@@antonchekov2359 Leaders do come from people, but once they are chosen or otherwise things happen.
People killed people in the partition riots. Man inherits instincts of fear of unknown from animals. Politicians have a choice to make - whether to exploit that fear or to cure it. People have a choice to make - fall for the fear psychosis or tricks played by politicians. Blaming politicians without admitting and addressing the deep seated suspicion and fear people have towards each other usually has disastrous consequences.
One should better put this question to one's own conscience so as to ascribe some semblance of authdnicity to it ! Because, conscience never lies ; provided, ofcourse, one has any !
Very informative interview. Many secrets about the Bangladesh liberation war that were not in public domain have been revealed and many myths shattered.
So what are these earth shattering revelations... None really !!! Bhutto wanted what he wanted and got something that also ensured he got hanged but to take it further and drive home the point, as some are today, that Pakistan ought not to be weakened as a entity into Balkanisation is self defeating !!!
Do
This book 50 years after the earth shaking event of 1971 is like a Primary School Teacher writing World War History in 2050 !!! All that he claims is quite interesting !!! Nicely peppered for encouraging Sales ...... Simplistic, BUT that is my view !!! Finally there is nothing to gain if the reader does not have any insight into LtGen Sagat Singh's audacious generalship during 1971. He maybe well be the actual unsung Hero of 1971 - Sagat A Talent for War !!!
Sagat Singh, Hanut Singh, JFR Jacob, JS Aurora. We have forgotten them and we should be sorry for this neglect of military leadership.
These interviews are so much better to watch than the news itself…
Love the style of interviewer
India never planned to take by PoK by military force after 1948 and yet, we talk of resolution of J&K issue with Pakistan and taking back PoK all the time! Pakistan is not going to give us back PoK through talks! It is also clear that no country is going to help us to get back PoK. Before Pak went nuclear, this was much easier and we missed this opportunity in 1971.
A nice interview by Karan; what a relief from his otherwise combative style! Brilliant work by Amb. Dasgupta!
"Before Pak went nuclear, this was much easier.."
We are nuclear but still, China keeps taking land from us. Its not just about being nuclear, but also dominance in escalation hierarchy..
@@maddoo23 There is a big difference in these two cases- LOC and LAC.
Pakistan paid USSR in the same coin by backing Afghanistan and in consiquncy disintragration of USSR .
Eventually leading to the chaotic state in which Pakistan finds itself today
@@SKumar-kp7fq you really are deluded. The payback to india for 1971 is due very soon. Keep your spirits up.
@@Private-rm5dy This time around we won't bother to do anything...just watch yourselves implode and sink !
@@SKumar-kp7fq won't do much.....you either have your eyes and ears closed or you clearly know nothing about what india has been getting upto for decades. Either way it does not shine a good light.
@@Private-rm5dy far..far better than your sinkhole, India has the depth and the will to absorb anything. I would suggest that you help your PM to raise some money and keep your country afloat...Leave aside India and its destiny and save yourselves.
I am watching this video sitting in Islamabad. It is a highly informative interview. Karan Thapar is arguably the finest interviewer in South Asia. My compliments to Ambassador Dasgupta on writing one of the best books on the creation of Bangladesh. No wonder he worked on it for 18 years.
Did the Fall of Dhaka was the beginning of Fall of India ?
I have always found Amb. C Dasgupta not just a seasoned diplomat but also a fine gentlemen.
The more you hear truths about Indira Gandhi’s achievement the more you realize what a kid Modi is- and a failed kid at that!
Mr 56 a useless afraid of china
@@sureshharinathbabu9717 She didn't take back PoK, they're the same party that gave up Aksai chin, denied Nepal's offer to accede and so on
Indo - Soviet treaty in June 1971 was key thersold of " fall of Dhaka " and Soviet invasion in Afghanistan in 1979 much later in the decade have reasoned with 1971 and the result is reversed a decade after broken USSR into 16 piece ... So , no dare the Western front recently the good - bye of USA & NATO from the same soil to which India was key allie called Non - NATO member ...Now , India have to use force againts heavy nuclearized Pakistan under hard line army chief ... So , the result is hard to come ...
Bangladesh achieved independence with India’s help, yet Bangladeshi Muslims are attacking the Hindu community in Bangladesh and Hindus in Bangladesh live in fear. Is this an incorrect assessment?
1947: India was partitioned into two, Indians are sad about this.
1971: India was partitioned into three, Indians are happy on this.
Look at the irony and level of hypocrisy.
Between 1947 and 1971, 86 lakh acres of land was taken away from Hindus in so called islamic Republic of pakistan. 1971 was celebrated as people thought it will end this phenomenon.Their hopes were shattered later.
We are happy. A powerful neighbour was cut in two. Once we edge out China economically, we'll be an American competitor.
You don't even know what's going on do you?
Very insightful!
Thank you for the wonderful book. I wonder if there's a similar interview in Hindi
In reality it was a 9 month civil war in which Bengali Pakistan Army, Navy, Air Force and Police Personnel including Bengali student, political and Bengali Raiway Postol worker, revolted against Pakistan Armed forces stationed in East Pakistan and stablished a resistance group of about Quarter million people, trained in India called Mukti Bahini, who after nine month of Armed struggle with the help of Indian Armed forces leading Indian Forces, knowing in advance being Bengali Native of East Pakistan.
Avoiding and out flanking Pakistan Defences and Deployment rushing toward Dacca on 14 December1971.
India cleverly sold that Bengali East Pakistani civil war unto sole war victory over Pakistan.
Geneva convention did not bar anyone from holding/demanding trial of those who started the war. Gandhi also gave up large chunk of land Indian Army has captured. Bhutto got all he wanted without giving up anything.
Brilliant insight and book of revelations
Indira Gandhi asked Bhutto to chose between the return of territories or the POWs, Bhutto chose territory knowing fully well that the POWs would necessarily be returned under Geneva Convention.
Karan Thapar always pursues his own agenda. He’s clearly going out of his way here to ‘discredit’ Maneckshaw. And let’s never forget that it was Karan’s father, Gen Thapar, who was amongst the principal architects for India’s ignominious defeat at the hands of China in 1962.
Always remember that General Thapar's nephew Gautam was married to Nehru's niece Nayantara Sehgal.This samadhiyana destroyed Indian army.
Lol what has that got
To do with his father😆...wars are won and lost as a collective
@@bodhisattva6308 poor leadership, incompetence, was put in position not by din of merit but Nehru connection, misrepresented the military’s capabilities (or the lack of them) to suit what the political leadership wanted to hear etc etc.
He was after all the Army Chief and had to resign in disgrace
Ignoring professional military advice and conclusions like operation Lal killa; promoting relatives like BM Kaul; harassing generals like Shiv Verma , Maneckshaw etc. ; Politicization of army. This was the third grade general ship of Thapar. Thapar was promoted in spite of his poor operational record during noakhali riots due to marriage relationship with nehru ji.
On this issue India reminds you of a faqeer, or mendicant, who got a lioncloth to cover his bare essentials, but ended up having the same seve as a patch in a Shamiana, or tent.
But how does he know that Mrs Gandhi used Manekshaw to further her own agenda ? Did she ever actually say that to him directly ? Or Is he just speculating based on hear say information and presenting it as a fact. Unlike Manekshaw who was in the meeting and names other members present in the meeting , none of whom have ever rebutted those claims.
I wish Karan Thapar had let Mr Dasgupta speak more rather than speaking himself.
I remember i was a high school boy leaving close to IAF Kheria, Agra. It was Gen Jacob's contribution which was spoken more of amongst the seniors in my our neighbourhood
Good.
Of course the wire, the they have for india, who sponsor you ccp?
I think yes. Money comes through Modiji.
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Read OpIndia and WhatsApp forwards. Go away.
@@prasanthalpha Watch the Quint, Wire MOJO story Print and so on.
Shameless muppets.
@@acharya8959 Dude! Piss off.
A good book, most students of history in the subcontinent would like to read. In my considered view Indra Gandhi decision to invade East Pak in 1971 was primarily not to create BD but to defeat Pak army already under lot of International pressure to withdraw from East Pak and would have happened with 3-4 months even without Indian attack. This decision by Indra appeared more guided by her animosity towards Pakistan a gain local political support but certainly not a strategic move as it made Pak permanent enemy of India, because of its humiliation and a deep spirit of revenge in their army and general public. Resultantly situation in Kashmir is much worse and anti India than it was in 1971 and the valley is being held by Indian state by force with over half a million troops. Likewise BD too is now too close to China which has occupied over 1000 KM of Indian territory. Hence with the strong possibility of 2 fronts war again after winning an unavoidable war 50 years ago infact can best be described as like " Winning a battle but loosing the war" Had India not attacked East Pak and humiliated a besieged Pak army, there was a greater chance of peace by now between the 2 countries, a dream which perhaps would be dream for another 50 years until India gives freedom to Kashmir through a plebiscite and not the war which most certainly happen on 2 fronts in the next 4-5 years as predicted by few well respected Indian political & military analysts.
The half million troops will be stationed indefinitely against Pakistani intervention till Kashmir integrates with India fully, Kashmiri's have better future with India than with a failed state like Pakistan. If it weren't for your constant meddling it would have developed long time ago!....Two front war for India is not a big secret which escaped Indian military planners attention....will give a befitting reply if provoked.
@@SKumar-kp7fq Had deployment of troops could have won hearts of people and illegal occupation of foreign lands, Vietnam and Afghanistan would have been under US control. Regarding supposedly fighting two front war, India should first try to fight a quarter front war on LAC with China to retrieve 1000 KMs of its territory , lost two year back
@@basharatmalik6840 Well, we broke you once right ???...that was a full war, so we can do it again if need be. Leave the worry of regaining our occupied territory to us....Try to full to be a full nation rather be a quarter one with begging bowls pointed to America, China, Saudi Arabia etc..
@@SKumar-kp7fq Eagerly waiting for the next encounter
@@basharatmalik6840 Try needling and you will get it like last time in Kargil !
I am waiting for the time when Karan Thapar would also host a show where he would highlight the incompetent role of his father as Commander in Chief of the Indian army in the 1962 Indian debacle against the Chinese
not something i need to know
@@shankarsomayajula9310 Maybe but for a man judging all including the late General Rawat too, I believe a look inwards would be good
@@ajaybajaj4628 There is a time and place for that too. In this case it’s the Diplomat Mr. C.Dasgupta who’s making the assertion and it’s not Karan Thapar’s fault if he dissects the issue.
@@shankarsomayajula9310 Well point taken, understood and appreciated but since KT was part of the interview a question in this direction remains my prerogative. You can have an opinion and that's fair dinkum too
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Sounds very logical.
Indira Gandhi respected the law, international conventions and even the opposition parties in India. Not rush slipshod over them and do whatever she wanted to do. An amazing patriotic and sensible leader.
important @ 13:00
Hindsight is a great help to peel one's eyes and liberate one from the shackle of responsibility as a chronicler. This kind of anecdotal history is really no guide to the future.
This myth also needs to be broken, that 93000 Pakistani soldiers were POWs. That was the total of soldiers and civilians. There were only two divisions comprising 32000 soldiers and 15000 para military personnel making it total 45000 and the rest were civilians.
No. 93000 Uniformed Personnel which includes Army, Navy, Air force, Paramilitary, Civil Personnel includes the ones who served as clerks, Barbers, drivers, Police and other staffs. It also includes the mercenary forces like Razakkars & Al-Badr volunteers.
The UN Records state post the Pak armed personnel arrived Calcullta reads Pak Army -54514, Navy - 1831, Airforce - 883, Paramilitary -22553, Govt. Civil Personnel - 12768,
India + Bangali + Russian against Pakistan Army.. in 1971... Still indian subcontinent is divide into three states... So still who is the looser..😂
What does the book say on how & why Indira & Co. squandered the golden opportunity to fix the Kashmir issue?
Many thanks to Indira Gandhi for using the Indian Army to help us in our freedom movement.
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It's typical trait of most to pick and choose events
That expound theories or cover-up a lapse
But a story is written better when these writers
Have no axe to grind and be unbiased
Leaders fail when out of touch of reality
Feel there is no morality needed to hold on to power
The sarkaris snug in their ivory towers
Be into sycophancy, mislead our planners
Life is not about winning at all cost battles
No wars be holy just for defining borders
For all wish to live in peace and harmony
Blighted rulers make us their cannon fodder
Quite apt !!!
As a Pakistani myself I think the ground realities were much different.
Yahya Khan and Bhutto were in Struggle for Power no matter what the Lamb appeared to be East Pakistan.
The role of Prime minister gandhi although important is a bit exaggerated
freedom for kashmir according to un security council resolution and wishes of kashmiris........................
What war won for India in 1971..better BRAINS BEHIND STRATEGIC PARTNER. IN FACE OF CHINA AND INDIA,WHO WANTED A TWO FRONT.ONE ALREADY LOST.
India played a main and central role to make the situations to ultimately break the neighboring country in two parts. Similarly India played the same role of interfering and deeply execute terror attacks in Karachi, Punjab and KP provinces and tribal areas by spending huge amount at the rate of one billion per year (18 Billion dollar in total) to damage all forms and fronts from Economy to terrorism through their agents in Afghanistan. All women, children and army men about 60,000 were killed in these attacks. So that's why now again making all possible efforts to give soul to the northern alliance. The Russia has received its fate already by breaking into 23 parts 30 years before by others including Pakistanis.
He cleared miscinception created and propagated by narrow minded politicians. Any misadventure in West Pakistan could have led to possible Chinese involvement and open support of West to Pakistan. Even to intervene in East Pakistan, we had many hurdles in UNO and USSR helped us to come out.Now,we have minions as our leaders and can not achieve a similar victory.
His father was army during 1962 fiasco
Diplomats came to know that, they are required to do some thing, before start of war, how funny?
What is funny in that. Our diplomats performed extremely well in those testing times.
Dec 17 th 1971 Indira speech Vs . Modis chest beating that he is the only Macho guy … reflects the inner core of leaders .. unfortunately indian youth don’t spend time to know truth , prefer whatsapp tutoring
Yes it did because 2000km away from west Pakistan people from east Pakistan were not treated with respect and fairness however Indian only interests were to break Pakistan that why Indra Gandhi famously said today we drown 2 nation theory in bay of Bangal how ever that’s giving Pakistani ideas and Pakistan started in Kashmir Punjab Siri lanka that’s keep Indian poor latest report on hunger index shows Indian are with poor African nation and world happiness index as well what comes around go around think on chicken neck I mean southern Tibet you have some one of your size
Indira could've bargained to get back right,
So it is clear there was no Pakistan war with india in 1971. It was india who interferred in a Pakistan internal matter, it was the rulers in east Pakistan who conspired with and invited india in to gain independence.
Karan Thapar and his family is an old time beneficiary of Congress system
It’s sad that even after india helping Bangladesh gain independence from Pakistan there is so much of Hindu - Muslim violence in Bangladesh. What should, india do to lessen this violence?
Not carry out brutal riots in Tripura and arrest criminals. Not have Assamese journalists jump on dead bodies of Muslims. Not have Home Minister Shah call Bangladeshis 'termites.' These would be good places to start.
@@anshuecon so keep your Bengalis in your west bengal.
Stop communalism in its land and lead the way
@My Bro Lol it's easy for you to agree. Shobai nijer desh er bhool dekhte chayna, onno der ke blame korte chay. You are doing the same if you are from BD. My comment was meant for Indians.
@@anshuecon i agree as a Bangladeshi secular🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩
When muslims in india treated badly, extremists in Bangladesh also try to do the same in 🇧🇩.
The gains of the war were let go at Shimla in 1972. It is such acts of rash randomness that has come to bite us. Warfare is not just kinetics but more importantly the manoeuvres before and after the kinetic part of the war.
What gains? did you watch the full video? soviet union wasnt supportive of indias territorial expansion also as per geneva convention POW cant be used as bargain chips.
The very first part of this interview seems weird.. FM Manekshaw himself said that Indira Gandhi wanted an invasion soon.. this gentleman was himself present in the meeting and must be getting the information from some secondary sources... Who should one believe, the person directly involved or the other individual interpreting some secondary source information...
The main Dispute between Pakistan & india is Jammu & Kashmir.
1965 War : Reason J&K
1971 War : Reason J&K
1999 War: Reason J&K
Future Wars: Reason J&K
Why india wanted plebiscite for Junagarh despite it's accession to Pakistan.
But it does not want Plebiscite for Jammu & Kasmir??
Why india wants accession to be accepted for Jammu & Kashmir, but not accession of Junagarh to Pakistan?
How is it fair in relations according to international Law?
might is right.... as simple as that...
donot cry morality... if you have means and brains you do same and achieve your goals ... no one will hear your appeal to morality, truth and justice...
Pakistan was only 23years old how come maps be 50 years old.
Nahi tha interesting and captivating.
India didn't needed maps. Because East Pakistan was totally unprotected.The East Pakistan border was not protected as West Pakistan. Indians took the advantage of that.Mrs Gandhi who was a very smart PM organised the international support and toured Russia to get the positive nod.
We're much better because of the seperation. A far less powerful neighbour.
Rewriting history to cover up blunders
We all know 1980 don't need to brag about it karan
Hello Mr Thapar. Can you please share your email address? I wish to seek your opinion on the comparison between Islamism and Hindutva [or Mawdudi and Savarkar].
Paid news promoting book.
Cope?
Indeed a very insightful and revealing interview.
Dasgupta's book will give a clear picture of 1971 war, but now a days all believe their own party leaders version, we have become a political country not otherwise. 👍
Very true.
Karan Thapar earlier did an interview with Gauhar Ayub to bring about the point that Maneckshaw as brigadier sold war plans to Pakistan. That too failed and this attempt will go in dustbin of history.
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POOCHTA HAI BHARAT ?
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Honorable Ambassador is speaking of GENEVA conventions of an ARMY that gang raped and committed GENOCIDE against its own citizens a fact confirmed by non other than the US Ambassador to Pakistan He is defending the actions taken by the then government of which he was part of other wise there would not any Pakistan Occupied Kashmir now - A lost opportunity
Karan is pushing bar further high for India journalists .. so unfair.
Kawa chala Huns ki apni bi gy he he.
सामरिक जीत को इंदिरा गांधी राजनीतिक जीत मे नहीं बदल पाई।। पाकिस्तान बिना कुछ खोए अपने 90000 सैनिकों को बचा ले गया।।
waise bhi 90000 ko wapas karna hi hota according to geneva convention....prison of war ko rakh nhi saktey....itna toh maloom hi hoga
The seeds of today's politics are in 1971. India has been looser since long and the same continued. Today's problem of Bangladeshi refuses started in 1971 and what's more people of India paid tax by refugees ticket. During that period Bangladeshi Muslims had scattered in small groups in almost all major cities. And with the help of locals and congress they established and prosperoured. Bangladeshi Muslims have been main force behind CAA. Second is Kashmir..before 1971 war Kashmir was not in lime light as all the leaders of Pakistan have started vigorously this issue. Perhaps India would have been in better position economically, politically and communally. The issues which BJP has been coined..the root cause is 1971 war i.e. illegal migrants and Kashmir. Economically India had suffered a lot. Since then USA has been openly started anti India stand on international level.
i was a little girl when i see two war in my life 1965 and 1971, i really hated those wars as i see people are dying and Indan bomb Sialkot bus station , bus full of people blow up and lots of innocent people die .
are you Indian proud of that?
what you Indian get out of that?
Your older did not teach you how to live peaceful with other?
What you do its show how was your forefather and what they were teaching you... I really feel hate in my heart for you Indian but as I am Muslim and my Forefather teach me to forgive other , I forgive you but not forget until you change your way.
really , if you indian have brain think? really i have doubt but still think....
We didnt start the wars we just fought them. Wouldnt you have been proud of your victory had you won d war
@@sonimatrisal5359 PROUD to kill people for land? tell me how many people will die for this land which no one will take with them.
these all war are for people who want to have power .not for humanity and not for anyone rights. I have brain to think and i do think a lot. i wish we all think and stop killing each other for nothing.
Ask your army these questions who raped women and killed children.
All ingoemation given by Mr. Dasgupta may be correct. However all the cridibility of the book is lost when he seconded Karan that Shri Vajpayee called Indira Gandhi, "Durga".
Here is the proof from shri Vajpayee himself that he never called her Durga. But youbwould still propogate stories that he indeed call. That given the fact now, who will believe that Indira has already decided about invading in November and Sam Manekshaw made stories that he persuaded Indira and so on.....
Even after pakistan lost the 1971 war, the Two Nation theory is still there. Peace between Pakistan and India will not be achieved until just resolution of Kashmir according to the wishes of the Kashmiris through plebiscite.
That'd a disaster for Kashmiris. Pakistan and China will immediately move in to install a puppet government! 😔😔😔😔😔
Kashmir will become a den of terrorist camps. Although I condemn Modi's atrocities, he does not represent the true nature of Indian state and society. He's an anomaly. When he's gone things will be much better for all of us. 👍
india should let kashmirit decide their own future, not india, China and pakistan will respect that.
@@bobinpune indians say the same thing for Pakistan that it has a puppet government.
Does it make sense?
It's kashmiri people's decision if they want a Pakistani government in Jammu & Kashmir.
If they are happy and agree with it, how is it wrong?
Jammu& Kashmir is land of Kashmiri people and they should have right over their land.
Pakistan respected decision of people of Junagarh to join india even after the ruler of Junagarh signed accession to Pakistan.
Would you indians have approved if Pakistani government had treated hindus of Junagarh the way india is treating muslims of jammu & Kashmir?
Even if kashmir and all borders states are given to Pakistan it won't resolve because without conflict Pakistan army will loose its grip on the country. They can't afford that. Countries have army but Pakistan army has a country
@@bobinpune what atrocities has Modi committed ? Don’t act and behave apologetically before the Pakistanis. Have some self-respect.
Separation of East west Pakistan was blessing in disguise but India intervention was on communal lines or humans line will be answer in history
Both are Congress acolytes.
Anchor too fond of his voice ! Irritating.
karan one line u say truth shall comeout but otherline u endorse false calling IG Durga refering to Atal ji , which he already clarified that he never said so , that was congress ploy, which u r pushing as truth at cost of truth, why?
Not much light thrown. Only repeatedly utterances of "Absolutely" or "Precisely" in response to longish statements made by Karan Thapar. No reference to the sources for claims that no plans were needed or made for operations in the Western sector. If the plan was to invade and occupy Dhaka, why did we labour on the point of self defence in the wake air attacks by Pakistan? Again, the interview does not shed light on Soviet pressure for quick end to war after the GA vote or about the diplomatic missteps in the UN. Sorry to say, the usual interrogative Karan Thapar is sorely missing in this episode.
it's a book advert, so yes
India lost peace after gaining independence how sad
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1971 war in which bengalis got their homeland bangladesh it also made Pakistan a sixth biggest nuclear military power. This war also created Pakistan 2 in the east and now bangladeshi is eating away Assam , West Bengal and rest of the north east india.
Kashmir Banega Pakistan - Arunachal Pardesh Banega China - Aur - India Banega Kabristan - Inshallah
Sindh banega India - Balochistan banega Balochistan - Aur Pakistan banega Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or Punjab.
Har Har Mahadev 🚩🚩🚩
Indira accolites who are trying for give her credit for war victory.
So, your generals and diplomats admit that they planned to dismember Pakistan and create Bangladesh, right? It gives Pakistanis the right to support separation movements in India, right? India set the precedent, now it's time to face the music from Punjab to Assam. Pakistani's, their ISI will do everything they can to disintegrate India, be prepared for it. They have shown their commitment against Russia in the Afghan War that resulted in the USSR disintegration.
Bangladesh was your own making, admit it.... The massacre of unarmed Bengalis, raping their women just to impose urdu?
Fact is Mujibur won more seats than Bhutto, still you held him captive and unleashed horror on your fellow countrymen.
Thanks to our intervention otherwise your 90,000 men would have been butchered by the liberation Army who in a moment's trifling surrendered.
The 90,000 jokers disguised in military uniform failed you.
@@soumenpanda8460 Bangladesh was not my own making. Anyway, 90,000 were captured, not all military, it was humiliating for the Pakistanis and still is. However, it showed them the way to go nuclear. Now, they are a pain in your neck, will remain till you come to terms with what India has done to them in Bangladesh. Anyways, neither India is the same powerful country as it was and nor Pakistan is a weak country the way it was in the 70s. What do you think, hundreds of thousands of Indian security personnel doing duty in Kashmir are normal people now? They are not, these men will go back to their villages and city, they are done just like Americans came back from Vietnam and Afghanistan recently. Illegitimate occupation has a cost, I am afraid, India may disintegrate as a country. Its never been a country in the first place, historically princely states in that geographical reality. However, it's a five thousand years old civilization, it hurts to see it going to waste under the hard-line Hindu government. You Indians need to put your act together and come to terms with the realities of the day, US is not going to fight your war against China, Pakistan is also not a walkover.
@@zaffazad4040 I believe we have a shared history of 5000 years, just the last 100 years saw the dichotomy of civilisational co-existence. Regarding Kashmir, I believe occupations of Pakistan too is deemed illegal. Chinese challenge is real and it's a civilisational one as much as for India as for Pakistan. Remember your theocracy stands in opposition to the godless communists, the uligur experience must have made it clear now.
Extremists from either sides, left or right is posing the biggest challenge in the subcontinent- India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan are all being engulfed by them.
@@soumenpanda8460 You are right about the shared history. We can't do anything about the 100 years old realities or 4000 thousand years old civilization, the problem as of today is that China has been able to eliminate poverty. They have resources to engage with adventures and misadventures with USA, Taiwan or Glawan for that matter. The rest of the region, as you have spelled out still faces profound challenges. This region needs peace and stability to prosper. India has to avoid a military conflict with China, it is madness otherwise. Indian people are very hardworking, they don't deserve a useless conflict, India should spend money on education, infrastructure, R&D to achieve technological breakthroughs. Spending money on French fighter planes and Russian missiles is not what the people of India need. Indians are very capable, they can come up with technology that can enhance health, increase life expectancy, improve AI, and curtail environmental challenges. Being stuck with teaching a lesson to Pakistanis or facing China is not a wise thing to do. Giving technology to neighbouring countries, helping them learn and learning from their experience is the way to progress, creating and sharing opportunities among all the people that live here.
@@zaffazad4040 China eliminated people too.... Uplifting people from a crisis and eliminating people to hide the crisis is not the path indian took.... We successfully uplifted a major proportion of our population from poverty, I agree the past few years we aren't performing good. But trust me this India you are witnessing at present is but an abberation from the normal, we will certainly win over this temporary dip.... Regarding China, better be careful the dragon has a huge appetite, the jets is to tame it's fangs from spreading!
Remember the gujral doctrine, and we are still committed to no first use policy, I hope going nuclear gives great powers but even greater responsibilities which India has certainly demonstrated in its policy of restraint, a lesson which Pakistan must emulate for confidence building. Our defence imperatives are necessary for an aspiring superpower . We are also equally committed to indegenisation of our defence technologies, the LCA tejas, Howitzer are proof of that. We are catching up.
I know despite our politics, we civilians don't hate each other, we share the same food, culture, bigotry, minority hatred etc.
I just hope the subcontinent prospers in the future and peace prevails. Imagine all the money spent on defence architecture in the subcontinent by India,pakistan,bangladesh combined being utilized to fight poverty, disease, ignorance and illiteracy, a new dawn of civilisational excellence would emerge which can even put the Western nations to shame. However, the power politics would just push this as wishful thinking of a privileged boy wasting his time on CZcams comments with a pakistani.
Greetings from Pakistan occupied kashmir
India lost peace after JN became PM, Jinnah the most powerful man on earth is natural choice,
Million books but Quran Majeed is the best💟💟💟
Stop Killing Kashmiri