Springfield Echelon - One Fatal Flaw!

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  • čas přidán 5. 08. 2023
  • We got the gun back from Springfield, here is an update video and what they had to say about it!
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  • @264boresteve
    @264boresteve Před 10 měsíci +34

    I’ve shot my Echelon a few thousand rounds already and have dumped empty mags on the ground in 2 matches. Haven’t had the first issue at all. In fact, it’s been flawless and is very accurate. Running a Holosun 507C green dot on it.

    • @westernartifact4163
      @westernartifact4163 Před 9 měsíci +1

      The RDS weight might be alleviating the issue if it's due to an overly tight spring.

  • @XxDOUBLEWHATxX
    @XxDOUBLEWHATxX Před 10 měsíci +57

    I bought 5 extra mags from Springfield when I got this pistol. Haven’t had a single issue with any of them. Put 300-500 rounds through. Even got the threaded barrel. Love this thing.

    • @mackman8819
      @mackman8819 Před 10 měsíci +1

      How you liking that threaded barrel bro?

    • @helifanodobezanozi7689
      @helifanodobezanozi7689 Před 10 měsíci +2

      I'm sure there's a guy out there saying, "I've been a John for years and haven't got an STD yet!!! Therefore STD's can't be real!!!" Yep, It'll happen at the worst possible time buddy!

    • @cheesybeast1721
      @cheesybeast1721 Před 10 měsíci +10

      @@RallyTacticalever think u just got a lemon and you are the 1% with this problem? 😨

    • @helifanodobezanozi7689
      @helifanodobezanozi7689 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@cheesybeast1721 The same thing with the magazines happened on TFB's CZcams review. I guess here's the part where people start saying it's user error! LOL!!!!

    • @bootius_maximus8571
      @bootius_maximus8571 Před 10 měsíci +3

      ​@@helifanodobezanozi7689I mean it sort of was user error on TFBTV. James Reeves said it himself the base plate was installed incorrectly and didn't have any issues after properly assembling the magazine. NOW, it is certainly SA's fault for not assembling it correctly themselves.

  • @kennethtam7168
    @kennethtam7168 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Looks like the magazine is assembled improperly at 6:26. Metal tab on the extension seems to be on the inside of the magazine?

  • @dartanianoakley
    @dartanianoakley Před 10 měsíci +11

    Very interesting. Mine has had zero malfunctions. When i went to take my cover palte off to mount an optic, those screws were in there really tight. I had to grab the driver with a wrench to get the leverage to break em loose since i dont have a t handle torx. I have seen the issue where the baseplates are nit installed correctly by the users, but this is the first ive seen both bags just falling apart from the factory.

  • @lordofflys7017
    @lordofflys7017 Před 10 měsíci +8

    I've watched probably 10 videos on the echelon and this is the first time I'm hearing of this.

  • @theexpatgunner
    @theexpatgunner Před 10 měsíci +1

    Certainly exciting see this addition that merges innovations from multiple platforms. Will be great if they can resolve the teething issues!

  • @slim28379
    @slim28379 Před 10 měsíci +53

    I've been thoroughly impressed with my Springfield pistol. After firing around 500 rounds, it hasn't encountered a single issue. It's a true testament to its reliability. Amidst my diverse collection, including models from sig, Glock, SW, CZ, shadow system, I must admit the Springfield stands out. And when it comes to the best shooting experience, nothing beats my staccato P and the XC. Overall, a fantastic addition to my firearms lineup.

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions Před 10 měsíci

      It’s reliable because Springfield didn’t make it. It’s a Croatian import just like their “Hellion” rifle lol.

    • @OFFICIALUND
      @OFFICIALUND Před 10 měsíci +7

      You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?

    • @remingtonsiefkas2458
      @remingtonsiefkas2458 Před 10 měsíci +11

      ​@@OFFICIALUNDmight wanna do more research on that statement bud that's not how it was

    • @MrPerry61
      @MrPerry61 Před 10 měsíci

      I have a Springfield EMP4 CCC, best 1911 I've owned, even liked it better than a wilson combat EDC X9 that I ended up trading.

    • @OFFICIALUND
      @OFFICIALUND Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@remingtonsiefkas2458 Um, yes it was. Let me guess…you read Springfield’s (dishonest) press release and/or page on their website? The people who own the company and came up with the scheme STILL own the company.

  • @jamiefty
    @jamiefty Před 10 měsíci +98

    If you install the baseplates correctly you won’t have these issues. You can see they aren’t seated in the first few seconds of the video.

    • @CH-gp8cq
      @CH-gp8cq Před 10 měsíci +19

      When I bought mine, the manual online even shows a video on how to properly install the extension. People just don't like to read. Every magazine issues video I've seen has been from people not properly seating the extension.

    • @chriswheelington6592
      @chriswheelington6592 Před 10 měsíci +7

      Exactly

    • @jarreddunlap7065
      @jarreddunlap7065 Před 10 měsíci +14

      Haven't had a problem with either one of my mags...1200 in and no issues.... Zero. And it eats everything I feed it. I also installed the extended base plate on correctly.

    • @sinisapticar8500
      @sinisapticar8500 Před 10 měsíci +9

      Guys it's possible there was a malfunction or an error in production. There are thousands of reviews of Echalon to date and most are great, but sometimes these things happen. It doesn't mean that the gun is shit..as a matter a fact it is a great gun. I am sure he will be happy with it when it's back from the manufacturer repair.

    • @rigamortez
      @rigamortez Před 10 měsíci +3

      ​@CH-gp8cq right?? It looks like the metal retention plate is tucked into the mag which would allow the extension to slide right off. And whats with the extension being all chewed up at the end of vid??

  • @BoneShark420
    @BoneShark420 Před 10 měsíci +17

    Fix the baseplates and try again , the tab goes on the outside of the mag not on the inside

  • @Drixels269
    @Drixels269 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank You for the honest review. You saved me. I will wait for the next Video

  • @bigmike716
    @bigmike716 Před 10 měsíci

    Great start guys!!!

  • @HatchBackLove27
    @HatchBackLove27 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Just like the p320. It is a brand new offering from Springfield. I am excited to see how this firearm performs once these issues are taken care of. I love seeing more companies move to the FCU platform. Just Sig fanboy myself since the p320 and 365 have been my go to guns for the past years. Excited to see more companies follow pace and push the polymer wonders father and father.

    • @HatchBackLove27
      @HatchBackLove27 Před 10 měsíci

      @@RallyTactical Oh I know exactly what you mean! I believe from the factory alone, Sig offers well over like 20 variations of both the 365 and 320. Its great to have options but my wallet hates me for it! lmao

    • @hks956
      @hks956 Před 10 měsíci +1

      yep. All first year guns seem to have something wrong. I remember when I bought my first M&P when it first came out in 2004 or whatever and it was a dog until they redesigned the feed ramp and recoil spring. It's good to wait until all the issues are sorted out.

  • @ramseycattn5941
    @ramseycattn5941 Před 10 měsíci +21

    If the baseplate isn’t installed correctly it comes right off just like you showed. Once you get the little metal tab situated correctly you won’t have the problems you showed. It isn’t obvious how to do this (I had to look it up, not in the manual) but once you learn how it’s extremely easy. My buddy and I ran into the same thing on his until we learned this. Try it and let us know how it goes 👍

    • @mikemarriam
      @mikemarriam Před 10 měsíci +1

      Would you stake your life on a 'little metal tab' being in (and staying in) just the right place?

    • @ramseycattn5941
      @ramseycattn5941 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@mikemarriam It seems like the problem they were having was not what I described. Or, I wonder if they were installed incorrectly at the factory. Once you know what it is supposed to look like, its easy to know if it is right or not.

    • @WeatherAnomalies
      @WeatherAnomalies Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@mikemarriam the "little metal tab" is longer on one side stopping the baseplate from sliding off. in other vids you can see people pushing their baseplates off with ease flipping the plate around stops this from happening, I haven't heard of the sight plates coming off that's a new one I watched a durability review and the dude was banging and whackin the shit out of it and the sight never even left zero. Maybe it's just luck of the draw this was the last gun of the day at the factory and the guy putting it together was tryin to get home lol.

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks for the review. It gives me something to think about.

  • @46dgarrison
    @46dgarrison Před 10 měsíci +1

    I’d wait a couple years before I even thought about buying one. Teething problems are a real thing for most products. Glock all day everyday, thanks. Please come again

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks

  • @havenguitar
    @havenguitar Před 10 měsíci +2

    Thanks for review !!! Sorry for the issues, but like you said it’s a new gun !! If they get the bugs worked out it’ll be sweet !!!

  • @toddparsons2980
    @toddparsons2980 Před 10 měsíci +55

    When I see ammo in a Ziploc bag I get skeptical.

    • @Vester1one
      @Vester1one Před 10 měsíci +2

      Hahaha, I do this sometimes and I always get looks.

    • @Logan2070
      @Logan2070 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Good lord, plastic bagged garagemade ammo, good job.

    • @OfficerDangle69
      @OfficerDangle69 Před 10 měsíci +10

      Bro shooting someone’s reloads. Lol.

    • @ayowser01
      @ayowser01 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Bro buys them in eighths and quarters 😀

    • @DorkSyde
      @DorkSyde Před 10 měsíci +2

      Exactly! Gun seemed to run just fine for their little supercut at the beginning.

  • @bootius_maximus8571
    @bootius_maximus8571 Před 10 měsíci +2

    the music during the mag malfunctions had me rolling 🤣. My brother in law and i both bought Echelons about a week apart. Currently at 3200 on mine with no issues. BUT, when changing the 17rd mag to 20, i noticed the 20rd assembled by SA was assembled incorrectly (metal plate was inside the mag, not outside of it). I corrected it on spot and no issues. My bro on the other hand assembled the his 17 into 20 the same way SA assembled the included 20rd mag, with the metal plate inside the mag. Needless to say, about half his rounds fell forward of the firing line (indoor range) and he wasnt happy. Gun shoots and tracks very well.

  • @robkoons1891
    @robkoons1891 Před 10 měsíci +2

    New designs as stated before seem to have these issues more often than not . I believe springfield will figure this out. I'm glad I purchased my arex zero 1 t. No failures and 100 percent reliable.

  • @morningstar8018
    @morningstar8018 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Finally a honest review Gun not junk just needs refinement

    • @waynebollentin989
      @waynebollentin989 Před 10 měsíci

      Or finally someone who had issues. Haven't seen these problems with a 1000+ rounds through 2 range guns.

    • @ramos5464
      @ramos5464 Před 10 měsíci

      @@waynebollentin989right

  • @Alex-ic3zp
    @Alex-ic3zp Před 10 měsíci

    I was considering getting this and I am SO glad I did not. I know the PDP is a bit older, compared to some others, but have you done a 1000-round review on it yet?

  • @jtv913
    @jtv913 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Shot 90 rounds through one using three different types of ammo with no issues. Saw other youtubers who did not install the the 20 round base plates correctly and dropped there rounds also. Once they read the manual and installed the base plates correctly the issues went away. That ammo may work well in other guns, but I would try some other types also. I have seen other accounts of the optics plate screws coming loose, but this wasn't the case with the one I shot. Hope that info helps.

  • @viletreeve9120
    @viletreeve9120 Před 10 měsíci

    I appreciate you for helping weed out the duds.

  • @RobertH1660
    @RobertH1660 Před 10 měsíci +5

    I just got the threaded barrel echelon and put about 200 rounds through it without any issues.

  • @joeperdomo.
    @joeperdomo. Před 10 měsíci +3

    I had the same issue with the 20 round mag out of the box. Only happened once though. Hasn't happened again since I put it back together and haven't had any other issues either. I've got about 350 rounds through it so far.

  • @theccwdad
    @theccwdad Před 10 měsíci +1

    Best gun video I have seen in a long time❤

  • @DropItLikeItsScott
    @DropItLikeItsScott Před 10 měsíci +1

    Good information, and it's good to know all of the issues before making this purchase. I also subbed your channel. keep rocking it bro.~Drop it like it's Scott

  • @davewylie654
    @davewylie654 Před 10 měsíci +2

    And the only failures continue to be the two or three people who cannot seem to put the extension on the mag right.

  • @SpyStaMia
    @SpyStaMia Před 10 měsíci

    This was eye opening. Thank you, now for the next modular offering …

  • @LyleH-13
    @LyleH-13 Před 10 měsíci

    im really intrigued to see what Apex and othet trigger custom workers are able to bring to the table.
    Did yall have issues with the black finish on the slide not being durable?

  • @marcusinfestus1333
    @marcusinfestus1333 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Lmao I have NEVER seen a pistol do that! Thank you for the laugh, SA; I could never have predicted a malfunction like that! Hahahahaha

  • @TexanApollyon
    @TexanApollyon Před 10 měsíci

    Appreciate the input

  • @jmo7193
    @jmo7193 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Awesome review guys, keep them coming!
    Maybe a 1000 round review on the PSA Jakl or original Canik Rival (not steel)?!

  • @Silidons91
    @Silidons91 Před 10 měsíci

    Were the magazines completely stock, put together by Springfield? Did you try the standard magazines or just the extended ones?

  • @LeadSlinger_
    @LeadSlinger_ Před 10 měsíci +4

    This is just user error same thing happened to me and it was because the baseplate on the mag was not seated properly. No big deal. Once it was installed correctly i haven't had any issues.

    • @lancelemay6971
      @lancelemay6971 Před 10 měsíci

      The first thing I did with my Echelon was install the +3 baseplate on the second mag. I’ve run a few hundred rounds through the gun and it has performed flawlessly. I’ve mostly been using Blazer 115 grain but other ammo has worked fine also. It’s possible it doesn’t like the ammo you are using in spite of that same ammo working ok in other guns. I have several guns that are finicky about the ammo. The mag issue you are having is just weird - I wonder if the standard baseplate would have that same issue for you. I am experiencing none of those problems with mine.

  • @davidmurray8882
    @davidmurray8882 Před 10 měsíci

    Great video, what holster were you runnin.

  • @johnprice327
    @johnprice327 Před 10 měsíci +2

    BOTTOM PLATE HAS TO BE INSTALED CORRECT. NO PROBLEM SHOOTS PERFECT.

  • @yellowmanusa
    @yellowmanusa Před 10 měsíci

    Most excellent review. You saved me a lot of money as I am in the market for a good match pistol for competitions. To hell with that pistol. Thanks again for the review.

  • @user-wb8bz8un6z
    @user-wb8bz8un6z Před 10 měsíci +4

    Thank you so much for the vid I will stick with a G19

  • @SpruceGoose79
    @SpruceGoose79 Před 10 měsíci

    Love the Tenet moment at the end

  • @aboutmyfathersbusiness6907
    @aboutmyfathersbusiness6907 Před 10 měsíci +3

    That's why you always wait for the common people to do reviews that buy the gun themselves rather than sponsor or the ones that Springfield sends free guns to them........ You only hear everything is great just like The prodigy, but once people got the prodigy it was a different story, should be small fix it's only a mag

  • @RedEyePergo
    @RedEyePergo Před 10 měsíci +2

    Are these Mec Gar made or Sprungfield in house mags ? Because ive owned several mecgar mag guns like Canik, Walther , Beretta , Sig excetra and theyre the best on the market imo

  • @pedroflores9205
    @pedroflores9205 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I like the pistol , today I shoot almost 400 rounds and never make any malfunction. The trigger is better than Glock or Sig , very accurate 👍

  • @rockdocpalmcoast4189
    @rockdocpalmcoast4189 Před 10 měsíci

    I was seriously looking at the Echelon but decided on the full size M&P 2.0. I'm glad I did.

  • @KP-vk5js
    @KP-vk5js Před 10 měsíci +1

    My favorite part is when you pull the "are you tired of your rounds falling out of your magazine?" Infomercial maneuver by pushing your hand forward on baseplates that you know dont have the correct floor plate installed. 2k followers. 60k views. You got exactly what you were after.

  • @ROYZARMY
    @ROYZARMY Před 10 měsíci +1

    Those must have been monday morning mags they qc'd after a ruff weekend of drinking😂 thanks for bringing this to light because i was about to buy one i think i will wait until its ironed out!

  • @GraydonMcKee
    @GraydonMcKee Před 9 měsíci +2

    Yours isn’t the only review that I’ve seen with these problems. Personally, I’m a huge SA fan. I carry the SA MilSpec EDC and have a Saint Victor as my long gun. I’m also old school in preferring hammer fired over striker fired. I really want to like the Echelon. I’ll wait a year or so for them to work out a few kinks though.

  • @jflan8536
    @jflan8536 Před 10 měsíci +21

    I have to say, this review is so much different than my experience with the Echelon. I purchased mine on the first day or release. Currently have a minimum of 400 rounds through it with absolutely zero issues. Should also mention, I have never cleaned it. Only thing I changed was I installed a red dot (Vortex Defender). I also have a Walther PDP and I actually think the trigger on the Echelon is better. In fact I had both of them at the range together this past weekend. The grip texture on the Echelon is perfect in my opinion, just fits my grip perfectly. I feel that the action is so much lighter and smoother on the Echelon as well, over any other striker fired I have to include Glock, Sig, or Walther. I have had so many people stop me at the range to ask about it. Of course I offer to let them shoot a few through it and everyone has been ecstatic about it. Perhaps the one you reviewed just has its issues, because really I am enthusiastically impressed with mine.

    • @PPSChadwick
      @PPSChadwick Před 10 měsíci +1

      You have 400 rounds through it AND you never have cleaned it. Thank you for doing such an exhaustive torture test on this new pistol.

    • @jflan8536
      @jflan8536 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@Diabolus_Musica I have both. This is not making a statement having never shot one or the other. Literally had the Echelon and PDP at the range together Saturday and Sunday of this past weekend. I am tell you, in my opinion the Echelon is the better trigger.

    • @jflan8536
      @jflan8536 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@PPSChadwick Gun folks on CZcams kill me, really do. How many people do you know who don't have a CZcams channel have more that 250 rounds through their weapon a month after release date. Come on! Anyone you know goes to the range in July and just shoots through $250-$300 worth of ammo on a Saturday, who aint getting compensated for it.

    • @andershilmo1866
      @andershilmo1866 Před 10 měsíci

      @@RallyTactical yea especially with my pdp PRO trigger lol. I don’t think any striker fired trigger is going to beat that anytime soon. I am not fired up about the texture on the Echelon either. It’s ok just not going to beat Walter pdp. Or my cz p10. Probably can be fixed when someone comes out with a new grip module.
      I will wait a year tell I buy one if I do so. I waited a year with my p10c my 365 macro and my pdp pro. No issues with any of them. Wait a year and find out has served me well.

    • @jflan8536
      @jflan8536 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@RallyTactical Not disputing there are people out there who will speak favorably about this gun due to compensation or sponsorships. I am not one of those. Just simply sharing my experience with mine after 400 rounds (min). There are duds in every thing that is manufactured, if not there wouldn't be a need for quality control engineers.

  • @BLACKNIGHT8990
    @BLACKNIGHT8990 Před 10 měsíci

    Are these malfunctions happening only with the 20 rounder base plate or with the 17 rounds as well?

  • @Citizen2ACitizenLLC
    @Citizen2ACitizenLLC Před 9 měsíci +1

    Bro, I have been watching firearm review videos on CZcams for probably over 10+ years and by far, this is the FUNNIEST, most HONEST and REALEST review that I have ever seen. Love the "Threesome" comparison! The good the bad and the ugly all rolled in one. had to watch it 2x! Thanks for doing this. Just sub'd. I won't rule it out just yet.... I'll just wait a year like I did with the Prodigy. Great video!

  • @n54power44
    @n54power44 Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks for the review. I guess I will just wait a year or two until Springfield fixes any issues if they have. A great looking gun though. Can’t wait to have one in my hand.

  • @user-qk9yi6ro4s
    @user-qk9yi6ro4s Před 10 měsíci +3

    Something I've observed too - a lot of people need to change their grip hold on the pistol as they put pressure on teh slide release, causing it to not lock back on last round

    • @SHOOTERS_G.n.B
      @SHOOTERS_G.n.B Před 10 měsíci

      If you shoot well and have a high grip it may not be effective to change grip…different firearms fit different hands if you have the issue with the majority of the firearms you shoot then yes maybe adjust your grip.

  • @twrol
    @twrol Před 10 měsíci

    I’m pretty anti Springfield across the board, but do you think wrist flicking your mags to the other side of the state may have something to do with your mags falling apart?

  • @jerryboyer5200
    @jerryboyer5200 Před 10 měsíci

    I was seriously debating between the Echelon & the FN 509 MRD-LE.... After seeing your video I just made my mind up. Thanks for the view.

  • @NVTaz1975
    @NVTaz1975 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I did build one of my extra 17 round mags (only ones I could find in stock lol) wrong I didn’t load it with ammo. I loaded into gun and exploded apart. Thought I had it built right. I rebuilt with instructions and it has not done it again.

  • @coreyvernaccini3875
    @coreyvernaccini3875 Před 10 měsíci +43

    Not the first time I’ve seen this issue with it. But teething issues are to be expected with a brand new design. I think it’s definitely the best striker fired pistol feature wise on the market. A very forward thinking pistol and I think once it gets it’s initial hick ups fixed, it’ll be an excellent pistol.

    • @beasmode18
      @beasmode18 Před 10 měsíci +2

      ". But teething issues are to be expected with a brand new design" Walther pdp

    • @socmonki
      @socmonki Před 10 měsíci +7

      ​@@beasmode18the pdp isn't a brand new design. It's an evolution of the ppq, which was an evolution of the p99.

    • @Dressed2KillTaye
      @Dressed2KillTaye Před 10 měsíci +5

      Dude imagine getting off 1 shot & your magazine explodes that's totally unacceptable 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @AverageGIJoeOutdoors
      @AverageGIJoeOutdoors Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@socmonki 100%... the Walther pistols are way more pistol than the Echelon. Honestly should not even be talked about in the same conversation....LOL.

    • @socmonki
      @socmonki Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@AverageGIJoeOutdoors I'm still going to get an Echelon. I love my PDP, and think it's ergos and accuracy are 2nd to none. I do wish Walther would have gone full modular with a fire control group, but I guess beggars can't be choosers. But I like variety. I don't plan on getting rid of any of my pistols, I enjoy them all. The Echelon is just another flavor imo.

  • @bartmaster2
    @bartmaster2 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I've never been a fan of springfield pistols... however I decided to give this one a try and actually really like it. I personally havnt had anyone these issues. From what I've seen and heard if the base plates are not seated correctly this is when you run into these issues. I have even ordered and tested 2 new mags so I have 2 extended and 2 17 round mags and havnt had any issues

    • @OFFICIALUND
      @OFFICIALUND Před 10 měsíci +2

      You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?

    • @timmidboe311
      @timmidboe311 Před 9 měsíci

      Lol, I hope you've never purchased a Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Don't eat at Burger King or Subway. Don't use Yeti or Levis. Etc. Etc.@@OFFICIALUND

    • @MrSatelit28
      @MrSatelit28 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@OFFICIALUND Man, you gotta try it. The best gun in the world!

  • @its23skidu
    @its23skidu Před 10 měsíci

    LOL, I almost spit my coffee out when you "mag dumped".

  • @slb_clip
    @slb_clip Před 10 měsíci

    Reversing the bullets back into the gun at the end gets bonus points from me. 😂

  • @SpyderWebbX
    @SpyderWebbX Před 10 měsíci +2

    The grip has a weird angle, you will have to hunt for your red dot each time. If you shoot M&Ps or even 1911s, your sight or red dot is directly on your eyeline when you are drawing out. With the Echelon, your barrel and red dot naturally points up, much worse than the grip angle of a Glock. So you have to consciously bend your wrist down each time to aim or else you will have to hunt for the red dot. With M&Ps - straight from the draw, your red dot is there. No need to adjust your pointing angle, just pull the trigger. I hope they make a frame that has a more natural grip angle and in Glock 19 size that still takes the same slide, barrel and guide rod as the original. Fix the grip angle and it's ready for competition. Not a single feeding issue on mine. No play on the optic mounting. No problems on my 4 mags. 800+ rounds.

  • @blackicekck9family379
    @blackicekck9family379 Před 10 měsíci

    I’m still getting one and I’m sure the mag can be fix I hope the Xdm mags work wit it

  • @jeffmather728
    @jeffmather728 Před 10 měsíci

    This is the first video i have seen with issues. Hopefully they fix it like they did with the prodigy issues.

  • @DennyBob521
    @DennyBob521 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I have a Hellcat and have been seriously considering the Echelon based off my experience with that Springfield/HS Product firearm some other reviews I've seen/read. I would of course rent one at a range first, and I was also going to wait until a peanut butter colored version (FDE) comes out. The Hellcat has been flawless, with 5,000+ trouble-free rounds through it, mostly 115 & 124 Blazer and Winchester white box target ammo, but also a couple hundred rounds of Sig M17 124Gr +P and the Sig V-crown and Pilgrim hollow points I carry in my defense mags, just to ensure they work well too. I've used it and a G19 for carry, depending on my clothing choice/weather with no issues at all.
    I want a full-size gun for range time, and this seemed like one to check out. Hopefully Springfield sorts out the issues or you just got a lemon and they replace/repair it.

  • @kingandqueenturben8293
    @kingandqueenturben8293 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I swear, when the video started I was like that sounds weird, my wife agreed
    Then when the bloopers started my wife was like; you called it. 😂😅😢

  • @canal10centrado
    @canal10centrado Před 10 měsíci

    I gave you my sub, all the way from Portugal land and a fellow guntuber.

  • @2ACops
    @2ACops Před 10 měsíci

    Slowed down the parts of the video where your mag comes apart to 0.10 speed and it looks like the mag mat not be assembled correctly. As the mag explodes and everything comes out, it appears as if the black metal base plate retainer comes out loose on its own, but it is supposed to be attached to the spring. I don't own one so I have no skin in the game, but I do know Springfield released a how-to video for the extended base plate install because lots of people were putting them together incorrectly.

  • @arlissyoung8899
    @arlissyoung8899 Před 10 měsíci +2

    My experience is to wait on most all "New Kids" on the block like this one for this very reason. Number one, TY has become nothing but a Paid for advertisement for most of the gun mans. in todays market. The first thing I noticed was they sent them all out with a massive light strapped on them to tame down the recoil. I asked a number of Super Tubers why they didn't take the light off and give a TRUE review of the gun. The gun will NOT come with a $350.00 to $400.00 light at the price point they clamed. All the ones I have seen have NO light on them for sale. Having said all that, can people truly believe someone will give a TRUE review of a gun that was given to them for T&E that will cost street people $600.00 + dollars. I wait and see by word of mouth from other shooters for this very reason. IMO it's all become a Cash Cow / Bank Roll for all other than the end user. That doesn't mean people don't put time and effort into making videos but what's it has become now days is another thing.

  • @tboneaja
    @tboneaja Před 10 měsíci +2

    Its always best to wait at least a year before you buy
    the newest gun right after its released, gives it time for the manufacturer to fix any issues if they care to do so.
    Im gonna wait, im content and happy with my Hellcat for the time being..

  • @bearlbc13
    @bearlbc13 Před 10 měsíci

    I was thinking about getting this firearm. What would be better,the Echelon or the XD-M?

  • @jonniemactyler7929
    @jonniemactyler7929 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The mags probably just got angry that you were pointlessly flipping them out of the pistol like that.

  • @pointyshineygreentip8718
    @pointyshineygreentip8718 Před 10 měsíci

    I’ll wait to get one. Nice posting.

  • @jamesandthangs1234
    @jamesandthangs1234 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I bought mine about a week ago and haven’t had any issue up to about 200 rounds. I’ll be back in the country Sunday to put another 100 or more through it. Up to this point is been amazing

    • @RallyTactical
      @RallyTactical  Před 8 měsíci

      Thats good to hear! Our issues were primarily with the 20rd magazines.

  • @hellboy9994
    @hellboy9994 Před 10 měsíci +3

    springfield armory rock river arms made campaign contributions to anti gun rights politicians
    They also discontinued importing the HS2000 pistol, renamed it the XD, and then upped the price a few hundred dollars. And they charge out the ass for the M1A, which is at best a budget M14.

    • @OFFICIALUND
      @OFFICIALUND Před 10 měsíci

      Preach. All the Springfield Simps are here advertising that they support a company that pushed gun control.

  • @Dylan-nv9sc
    @Dylan-nv9sc Před 10 měsíci +12

    Are you positive you installed the basepads correctly? Everyone that’s had the same issue with mags falling apart like that had their basepads installed incorrectly.

    • @jeepninja1
      @jeepninja1 Před 10 měsíci +3

      Looks like you're only having issues with the extended mags. The common denominator for others with the issue, was the baseplate was installed incorrectly.

    • @rich1958
      @rich1958 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Multiple
      1000 rd reviews with no issues…. Except yours. I guess I’d you want to be the 1001 reviewer you need something different to attract clicks. Lol

    • @stephandelaney4097
      @stephandelaney4097 Před 10 měsíci

      @@jeepninja1bruh his whole optic system flew off.
      Screw the mag problem

    • @jeepninja1
      @jeepninja1 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @stephandelaney4097 lol it was just the cover plate, not the "whole optic system" they come from the factory un-torqued and very little loctite because 99% of people take it off and put an optic on.

    • @jeepninja1
      @jeepninja1 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @RallyTactical weird because mine only came with one 20 rd mag, put together, I had to put the base plates on the others. And the tab on the baseplate is easy to put on wrong, and even easier to fix. Also weird that everyone with this issue was quickly able to identify the problem and correct it.

  • @wasdq9748
    @wasdq9748 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ive got over 500 rounds with 0 issues. Mags aside, what ammo were you using? The recoil spring is fairly lite, id expect a failure to feed before a failure to eject.

    • @OFFICIALUND
      @OFFICIALUND Před 10 měsíci

      You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?

  • @AdvancedUSA
    @AdvancedUSA Před 10 měsíci +3

    Interesting, I have a 5+ year old XD and one of the original mags stopped locking the slide after only 200 rounds or so. It’s a gun that I keep near my bed at night so I keep the good mag in the gun and the not too good one in case I need to reload. Other than that the gun has been 100% reliable with no circus tricks like dumping ammo on your feet. Any gun I own has to be 100% reliable out of the box.

  • @theccwdad
    @theccwdad Před 10 měsíci +18

    I love how the people who are not basically sponsored by gun companies give honest reviews. The hype is real with this one. Please give us an update ❤

    • @AverageGIJoeOutdoors
      @AverageGIJoeOutdoors Před 10 měsíci

      @@RallyTactical I think your video was some of the best filming I have seen. It's on par with far larger channels.

    • @AverageGIJoeOutdoors
      @AverageGIJoeOutdoors Před 10 měsíci

      @@emmanuelgoldstein8534 I was thinking the same thing. I try to tell it how it is as well. Nothing to gain from companies. My word is worth more than a free pistol.

    • @jaylc
      @jaylc Před 10 měsíci

      Is Taran Tactical sponsored by SA? Nope. Try again.

  • @Bulldogmm
    @Bulldogmm Před 10 měsíci +1

    What is that technique called when you flip your wrist and the mag goes flying across the range. I haven’t been taught that yet. Looks interesting.

  • @pro2amatt846
    @pro2amatt846 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Why I stayed away at the current price point! Too high for first gen Guinea pig . I’m glad I did .

  • @JeremyRyanFit
    @JeremyRyanFit Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome video! Keep it up

  • @Three60Crusader
    @Three60Crusader Před 10 měsíci

    How many pins are pre installed out of the box? I count 2?

  • @wlodb7170
    @wlodb7170 Před 10 měsíci

    Good video
    Thanks

  • @kevinyeager9023
    @kevinyeager9023 Před 10 měsíci

    Unfortunate to hear you having malfunctions with it. Hopefully they can get it fixed for you. Have heard good things up until this review. Thanks for being honest!

  • @GreyerShade
    @GreyerShade Před 10 měsíci +1

    That many malfunctions and reverse mag dumps is a no go. What's worse is they had to know about this issue already if they tested this model/mag combo before release.

    • @GreyerShade
      @GreyerShade Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@RallyTactical I definitely thinks its a mag issue but the fact BOTH exploded like Biden walking up some stairs says they outsourced them from somewhere that shouldn't EVER make anything AGAIN. 👍

  • @MrBubba123bubba
    @MrBubba123bubba Před 10 měsíci

    Did the FTF, FTE issues happen with factory ammo?

  • @ja163361
    @ja163361 Před 10 měsíci

    Had my Echelon for a couple of weeks. So far fired around 500 rounds and luckily not one problem. Hopefully my luck continues.

  • @TheRealStephenJ
    @TheRealStephenJ Před 10 měsíci +1

    1,000+ rounds through mine with freedom munitions 124 gr reman ball ammo, no malfunctions or issues with slide not locking back. Got 2 additional magazines from springfield and those are working fine as well. Maybe I got lucky, maybe you got lucky, I am unsure. You also seem to be slamming the magazine in a lot more forcefully which I am not doing, but if that is the cause of the issue that would definitely need to get fixed. My only issue is that it's a somewhat awkward angle for my thumb to lock the slide back because it's protected by the shelf around it.

  • @paulhowe5602
    @paulhowe5602 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I had a much different experience than yours mine has run flawless for the first 750 rounds. However, I have watched at least 2 other reviews that experienced the reverse mag dump like yours. One of them explained it as they put the extension on the way they thought it should go, but actually the lip (I guess you'd call it that) ends up on the outside of the mag to properly lock it in place. If you have it on the inside, (which is how it looks like it should go) it will cause the reverse mag dump. I couldn't see in your video if this was your issue because I couldn't see the back of the mags. Also, it appears that at least one of your mag springs was bent, this could cause the failure to lock back and is a super easy fix; you pull the spring outand bend it until it lays flat. The bent spring tends to cause an issue more often in mags with an extension on. Good review, I hope you have better luck with your gun when it comes back from Springfield.

    • @bootius_maximus8571
      @bootius_maximus8571 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@RallyTacticalOne thing to note is that even if the plate is on the outside of the magazine, you still need to make sure the metal plate is seated all the way down in the actual polymer base plate. If the metal plate isn't seated on the way down, enough force could still allow the metal plate to slide up, allowing the polymer base plate to slide forward, leading to the mag dump. Just keep that in mind when you get your Echelon back. Looking forward to your update once you get it back.

    • @Talishar
      @Talishar Před 10 měsíci

      This should confirm that the design of the mag extension is stupid and done poorly. The factory assemblers on initial runs have messed this up along with experienced shooters and armorers. It's not intuitive and appears to be made by the engineering intern who has never seen how others are designed.

  • @vomeister
    @vomeister Před 9 měsíci

    Excellent video.

  • @Tankdawg729
    @Tankdawg729 Před 10 měsíci

    I haven't purchased one yet, but I want to. I think I should wait.

  • @BanditApache-nd6lu
    @BanditApache-nd6lu Před 10 měsíci +3

    Unfortunate, I am up to 800 rounds through mine. With all different brands, grain, and a combination of JHP and FMJ. Three different magazines, not one single issue if any kind. I guess it’s the lick of the draw when things are mass produced!

  • @mr.e9727
    @mr.e9727 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Who was your ammo supplier again?

  • @willyboy4305
    @willyboy4305 Před 10 měsíci

    Sticking with my XDM Elite 3.8, flawless so far

  • @dl9955
    @dl9955 Před 9 měsíci

    Just got my Echelon yesturday. Cleaned it lubed it and took it out back. I shot 4 mags thru it with no issues except 1, the trigger was hurting my finger. Don't know why but today going to shoot it again to see if i can figure that out. Other than that it was accurate, fast and smooth shooting. Glad i didn't have any mag issues but I'll see as rounds get put thru mine today.

  • @rigamortez
    @rigamortez Před 10 měsíci

    Hol' up... Why do I not see the mag springs falling out @7:25 except the 2nd to last example where hes not slamming the mag in but pulls off the extension with 2 fingers?? And I dont see the retention plate on the spring 🤔

  • @wesleyrice8350
    @wesleyrice8350 Před 10 měsíci

    What ammo was being run in this video?

  • @chris.3711
    @chris.3711 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Assembling the magazine properly when adding the extension will solve that particular issue. That's not the gun, that is entirely on you.

  • @theziadragon4322
    @theziadragon4322 Před 9 měsíci

    Before i purchase this i contacted springfield and they stated the mag issues has been resolved. They admitted it was a faulty install of the base plate on the extended mags from the factory. However i have run damn near 500+ rounds through min with zero malfunctions, with the exception of slide no locking back. But that was quickly determined to my fault with grip because i took two other firearms with me and well I can safely say it was my fault because they did the sane thing. Quickly corrected and no problems anymore

  • @SuperSneakySniper
    @SuperSneakySniper Před 10 měsíci +1

    Just a service announcement:
    I actually do think there is someone at Springfield who is assembling the extended baseplates wrong. I bought mine, shot it, had zero issues, then installed the extended baseplate on the smaller mag, and POOF it slid off just like in this video ^ then I took a closer look and realized I installed it wrong. I proceeded to install it CORRECTLY and BAM zero issues, locked back, baseplate was solid as a rock.
    Then, I took a peek at the baseplate installed at Springfield, and it was installed incorrectly too! The same way I installed mine the first time! I took it apart and re-installed it correctly (took me a total of 20 seconds) and BAM. Zero issues for the rest of the 500 rounds. Locks open every time, baseplates solid as a rock, not going anywhere.
    Everyone, just take a second to double check that your baseplates are installed CORRECTLY and DO NOT USE Springfield's pre-installed baseplate as a model example. If they're installed right, they are to be installed much like the plastic factory +2 extended baseplates from CZ are supposed to be installed. If they can ever be "slid off", you did it wrong, try it again!
    IF you're baseplate is not installed correctly, it puts an awkward torque on the magazine spring, and I can certainly see how it may induce issues. I'm tuned in to see what exactly Springfield does to the guns that were sent in. If they change anything, or simply re-install the baseplates correctly.
    EDIT!!!
    At 0:01 I can already see that Rally Tactical's baseplate is NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY! The metal floorplate should be exposed and visible on the back of the magazine. He has his installed so that the back part is still INSIDE of the magazine box, and therefor can be slid off forward! I feel like I should upload a video of how to correctly install these just in case, so that people don't have to send their mags back.
    EDIT x2
    Ah, but at 5:12 it seems Rally Tactical has the magazine (at least the one sitting on the left) baseplate installed correctly. I'm not sure if this is a random result of having had to put it back together multiple times or not but that is interesting. Still, very interested in seeing what the issue is from Springfield. Mine has continued to run fine for another 200 rounds. Even tried the 17 round baseplate for shits and giggles for around ~100 of those rounds. I've tried to slam the mag into the gun as hard as possible, as well as forcibly slide the baseplate off, and it doesn't budge. And I can still easily take it apart for cleaning if needed. I'm confident mine are installed right.
    As a troubleshooting tip that I'm curious about, when your guys' baseplates slide off, does it only happen when the mags are nearly fully loaded? (AKA a lot of pressure on the basepadd/spring) or can it also happen when your mag is empty and you slam it in?