I’ve shot my Echelon a few thousand rounds already and have dumped empty mags on the ground in 2 matches. Haven’t had the first issue at all. In fact, it’s been flawless and is very accurate. Running a Holosun 507C green dot on it.
Very interesting. Mine has had zero malfunctions. When i went to take my cover palte off to mount an optic, those screws were in there really tight. I had to grab the driver with a wrench to get the leverage to break em loose since i dont have a t handle torx. I have seen the issue where the baseplates are nit installed correctly by the users, but this is the first ive seen both bags just falling apart from the factory.
I bought 5 extra mags from Springfield when I got this pistol. Haven’t had a single issue with any of them. Put 300-500 rounds through. Even got the threaded barrel. Love this thing.
I'm sure there's a guy out there saying, "I've been a John for years and haven't got an STD yet!!! Therefore STD's can't be real!!!" Yep, It'll happen at the worst possible time buddy!
@@cheesybeast1721 The same thing with the magazines happened on TFB's CZcams review. I guess here's the part where people start saying it's user error! LOL!!!!
@@helifanodobezanozi7689I mean it sort of was user error on TFBTV. James Reeves said it himself the base plate was installed incorrectly and didn't have any issues after properly assembling the magazine. NOW, it is certainly SA's fault for not assembling it correctly themselves.
Good information, and it's good to know all of the issues before making this purchase. I also subbed your channel. keep rocking it bro.~Drop it like it's Scott
When I bought mine, the manual online even shows a video on how to properly install the extension. People just don't like to read. Every magazine issues video I've seen has been from people not properly seating the extension.
Haven't had a problem with either one of my mags...1200 in and no issues.... Zero. And it eats everything I feed it. I also installed the extended base plate on correctly.
Guys it's possible there was a malfunction or an error in production. There are thousands of reviews of Echalon to date and most are great, but sometimes these things happen. It doesn't mean that the gun is shit..as a matter a fact it is a great gun. I am sure he will be happy with it when it's back from the manufacturer repair.
@CH-gp8cq right?? It looks like the metal retention plate is tucked into the mag which would allow the extension to slide right off. And whats with the extension being all chewed up at the end of vid??
Just like the p320. It is a brand new offering from Springfield. I am excited to see how this firearm performs once these issues are taken care of. I love seeing more companies move to the FCU platform. Just Sig fanboy myself since the p320 and 365 have been my go to guns for the past years. Excited to see more companies follow pace and push the polymer wonders father and father.
@@RallyTactical Oh I know exactly what you mean! I believe from the factory alone, Sig offers well over like 20 variations of both the 365 and 320. Its great to have options but my wallet hates me for it! lmao
yep. All first year guns seem to have something wrong. I remember when I bought my first M&P when it first came out in 2004 or whatever and it was a dog until they redesigned the feed ramp and recoil spring. It's good to wait until all the issues are sorted out.
I had the same issue with the 20 round mag out of the box. Only happened once though. Hasn't happened again since I put it back together and haven't had any other issues either. I've got about 350 rounds through it so far.
Bro, I have been watching firearm review videos on CZcams for probably over 10+ years and by far, this is the FUNNIEST, most HONEST and REALEST review that I have ever seen. Love the "Threesome" comparison! The good the bad and the ugly all rolled in one. had to watch it 2x! Thanks for doing this. Just sub'd. I won't rule it out just yet.... I'll just wait a year like I did with the Prodigy. Great video!
Shot 90 rounds through one using three different types of ammo with no issues. Saw other youtubers who did not install the the 20 round base plates correctly and dropped there rounds also. Once they read the manual and installed the base plates correctly the issues went away. That ammo may work well in other guns, but I would try some other types also. I have seen other accounts of the optics plate screws coming loose, but this wasn't the case with the one I shot. Hope that info helps.
I was considering getting this and I am SO glad I did not. I know the PDP is a bit older, compared to some others, but have you done a 1000-round review on it yet?
Those must have been monday morning mags they qc'd after a ruff weekend of drinking😂 thanks for bringing this to light because i was about to buy one i think i will wait until its ironed out!
im really intrigued to see what Apex and othet trigger custom workers are able to bring to the table. Did yall have issues with the black finish on the slide not being durable?
This is just user error same thing happened to me and it was because the baseplate on the mag was not seated properly. No big deal. Once it was installed correctly i haven't had any issues.
The first thing I did with my Echelon was install the +3 baseplate on the second mag. I’ve run a few hundred rounds through the gun and it has performed flawlessly. I’ve mostly been using Blazer 115 grain but other ammo has worked fine also. It’s possible it doesn’t like the ammo you are using in spite of that same ammo working ok in other guns. I have several guns that are finicky about the ammo. The mag issue you are having is just weird - I wonder if the standard baseplate would have that same issue for you. I am experiencing none of those problems with mine.
I did build one of my extra 17 round mags (only ones I could find in stock lol) wrong I didn’t load it with ammo. I loaded into gun and exploded apart. Thought I had it built right. I rebuilt with instructions and it has not done it again.
Most excellent review. You saved me a lot of money as I am in the market for a good match pistol for competitions. To hell with that pistol. Thanks again for the review.
I've been thoroughly impressed with my Springfield pistol. After firing around 500 rounds, it hasn't encountered a single issue. It's a true testament to its reliability. Amidst my diverse collection, including models from sig, Glock, SW, CZ, shadow system, I must admit the Springfield stands out. And when it comes to the best shooting experience, nothing beats my staccato P and the XC. Overall, a fantastic addition to my firearms lineup.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
@@remingtonsiefkas2458 Um, yes it was. Let me guess…you read Springfield’s (dishonest) press release and/or page on their website? The people who own the company and came up with the scheme STILL own the company.
the music during the mag malfunctions had me rolling 🤣. My brother in law and i both bought Echelons about a week apart. Currently at 3200 on mine with no issues. BUT, when changing the 17rd mag to 20, i noticed the 20rd assembled by SA was assembled incorrectly (metal plate was inside the mag, not outside of it). I corrected it on spot and no issues. My bro on the other hand assembled the his 17 into 20 the same way SA assembled the included 20rd mag, with the metal plate inside the mag. Needless to say, about half his rounds fell forward of the firing line (indoor range) and he wasnt happy. Gun shoots and tracks very well.
If the baseplate isn’t installed correctly it comes right off just like you showed. Once you get the little metal tab situated correctly you won’t have the problems you showed. It isn’t obvious how to do this (I had to look it up, not in the manual) but once you learn how it’s extremely easy. My buddy and I ran into the same thing on his until we learned this. Try it and let us know how it goes 👍
@@mikemarriam It seems like the problem they were having was not what I described. Or, I wonder if they were installed incorrectly at the factory. Once you know what it is supposed to look like, its easy to know if it is right or not.
@@mikemarriam the "little metal tab" is longer on one side stopping the baseplate from sliding off. in other vids you can see people pushing their baseplates off with ease flipping the plate around stops this from happening, I haven't heard of the sight plates coming off that's a new one I watched a durability review and the dude was banging and whackin the shit out of it and the sight never even left zero. Maybe it's just luck of the draw this was the last gun of the day at the factory and the guy putting it together was tryin to get home lol.
Are these Mec Gar made or Sprungfield in house mags ? Because ive owned several mecgar mag guns like Canik, Walther , Beretta , Sig excetra and theyre the best on the market imo
I have to say, this review is so much different than my experience with the Echelon. I purchased mine on the first day or release. Currently have a minimum of 400 rounds through it with absolutely zero issues. Should also mention, I have never cleaned it. Only thing I changed was I installed a red dot (Vortex Defender). I also have a Walther PDP and I actually think the trigger on the Echelon is better. In fact I had both of them at the range together this past weekend. The grip texture on the Echelon is perfect in my opinion, just fits my grip perfectly. I feel that the action is so much lighter and smoother on the Echelon as well, over any other striker fired I have to include Glock, Sig, or Walther. I have had so many people stop me at the range to ask about it. Of course I offer to let them shoot a few through it and everyone has been ecstatic about it. Perhaps the one you reviewed just has its issues, because really I am enthusiastically impressed with mine.
@@Diabolus_Musica I have both. This is not making a statement having never shot one or the other. Literally had the Echelon and PDP at the range together Saturday and Sunday of this past weekend. I am tell you, in my opinion the Echelon is the better trigger.
@@PPSChadwick Gun folks on CZcams kill me, really do. How many people do you know who don't have a CZcams channel have more that 250 rounds through their weapon a month after release date. Come on! Anyone you know goes to the range in July and just shoots through $250-$300 worth of ammo on a Saturday, who aint getting compensated for it.
@@RallyTactical yea especially with my pdp PRO trigger lol. I don’t think any striker fired trigger is going to beat that anytime soon. I am not fired up about the texture on the Echelon either. It’s ok just not going to beat Walter pdp. Or my cz p10. Probably can be fixed when someone comes out with a new grip module. I will wait a year tell I buy one if I do so. I waited a year with my p10c my 365 macro and my pdp pro. No issues with any of them. Wait a year and find out has served me well.
@@RallyTactical Not disputing there are people out there who will speak favorably about this gun due to compensation or sponsorships. I am not one of those. Just simply sharing my experience with mine after 400 rounds (min). There are duds in every thing that is manufactured, if not there wouldn't be a need for quality control engineers.
Thanks for the review. I guess I will just wait a year or two until Springfield fixes any issues if they have. A great looking gun though. Can’t wait to have one in my hand.
New designs as stated before seem to have these issues more often than not . I believe springfield will figure this out. I'm glad I purchased my arex zero 1 t. No failures and 100 percent reliable.
I have a Hellcat and have been seriously considering the Echelon based off my experience with that Springfield/HS Product firearm some other reviews I've seen/read. I would of course rent one at a range first, and I was also going to wait until a peanut butter colored version (FDE) comes out. The Hellcat has been flawless, with 5,000+ trouble-free rounds through it, mostly 115 & 124 Blazer and Winchester white box target ammo, but also a couple hundred rounds of Sig M17 124Gr +P and the Sig V-crown and Pilgrim hollow points I carry in my defense mags, just to ensure they work well too. I've used it and a G19 for carry, depending on my clothing choice/weather with no issues at all. I want a full-size gun for range time, and this seemed like one to check out. Hopefully Springfield sorts out the issues or you just got a lemon and they replace/repair it.
I've never been a fan of springfield pistols... however I decided to give this one a try and actually really like it. I personally havnt had anyone these issues. From what I've seen and heard if the base plates are not seated correctly this is when you run into these issues. I have even ordered and tested 2 new mags so I have 2 extended and 2 17 round mags and havnt had any issues
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
Just got my Echelon yesturday. Cleaned it lubed it and took it out back. I shot 4 mags thru it with no issues except 1, the trigger was hurting my finger. Don't know why but today going to shoot it again to see if i can figure that out. Other than that it was accurate, fast and smooth shooting. Glad i didn't have any mag issues but I'll see as rounds get put thru mine today.
I’m pretty anti Springfield across the board, but do you think wrist flicking your mags to the other side of the state may have something to do with your mags falling apart?
1,000+ rounds through mine with freedom munitions 124 gr reman ball ammo, no malfunctions or issues with slide not locking back. Got 2 additional magazines from springfield and those are working fine as well. Maybe I got lucky, maybe you got lucky, I am unsure. You also seem to be slamming the magazine in a lot more forcefully which I am not doing, but if that is the cause of the issue that would definitely need to get fixed. My only issue is that it's a somewhat awkward angle for my thumb to lock the slide back because it's protected by the shelf around it.
Yours isn’t the only review that I’ve seen with these problems. Personally, I’m a huge SA fan. I carry the SA MilSpec EDC and have a Saint Victor as my long gun. I’m also old school in preferring hammer fired over striker fired. I really want to like the Echelon. I’ll wait a year or so for them to work out a few kinks though.
Ive got over 500 rounds with 0 issues. Mags aside, what ammo were you using? The recoil spring is fairly lite, id expect a failure to feed before a failure to eject.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
I bought mine about a week ago and haven’t had any issue up to about 200 rounds. I’ll be back in the country Sunday to put another 100 or more through it. Up to this point is been amazing
Something I've observed too - a lot of people need to change their grip hold on the pistol as they put pressure on teh slide release, causing it to not lock back on last round
If you shoot well and have a high grip it may not be effective to change grip…different firearms fit different hands if you have the issue with the majority of the firearms you shoot then yes maybe adjust your grip.
Hol' up... Why do I not see the mag springs falling out @7:25 except the 2nd to last example where hes not slamming the mag in but pulls off the extension with 2 fingers?? And I dont see the retention plate on the spring 🤔
I've had prett good experiences with mine so far but I haven't ran it as hard as you have either. It's only got around 350 rounds through it. I did have the same issue with the cover plate but once I got my RMR and installed it that hasn't been a worry.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
Slowed down the parts of the video where your mag comes apart to 0.10 speed and it looks like the mag mat not be assembled correctly. As the mag explodes and everything comes out, it appears as if the black metal base plate retainer comes out loose on its own, but it is supposed to be attached to the spring. I don't own one so I have no skin in the game, but I do know Springfield released a how-to video for the extended base plate install because lots of people were putting them together incorrectly.
Its always best to wait at least a year before you buy the newest gun right after its released, gives it time for the manufacturer to fix any issues if they care to do so. Im gonna wait, im content and happy with my Hellcat for the time being..
Thanks for your review! Good to see another smaller channel moving up in the world. Something is definitely wrong with those magazines. I would just add that you mention Springfield and the quality control issues (Prodigy). The Echelon is imported from HS Produkt...which is why it appears to be far more reliable than Springfield manufactured products (Prodigy). They import the XD, Hellcat, Hellion, and Echelon.... Springfields most reliable offerings. It's a shame you had such a bad experience with such a great firearm. We over here wish you nothing but success with the channel brother!
That's why you always wait for the common people to do reviews that buy the gun themselves rather than sponsor or the ones that Springfield sends free guns to them........ You only hear everything is great just like The prodigy, but once people got the prodigy it was a different story, should be small fix it's only a mag
I had a much different experience than yours mine has run flawless for the first 750 rounds. However, I have watched at least 2 other reviews that experienced the reverse mag dump like yours. One of them explained it as they put the extension on the way they thought it should go, but actually the lip (I guess you'd call it that) ends up on the outside of the mag to properly lock it in place. If you have it on the inside, (which is how it looks like it should go) it will cause the reverse mag dump. I couldn't see in your video if this was your issue because I couldn't see the back of the mags. Also, it appears that at least one of your mag springs was bent, this could cause the failure to lock back and is a super easy fix; you pull the spring outand bend it until it lays flat. The bent spring tends to cause an issue more often in mags with an extension on. Good review, I hope you have better luck with your gun when it comes back from Springfield.
@@RallyTacticalOne thing to note is that even if the plate is on the outside of the magazine, you still need to make sure the metal plate is seated all the way down in the actual polymer base plate. If the metal plate isn't seated on the way down, enough force could still allow the metal plate to slide up, allowing the polymer base plate to slide forward, leading to the mag dump. Just keep that in mind when you get your Echelon back. Looking forward to your update once you get it back.
This should confirm that the design of the mag extension is stupid and done poorly. The factory assemblers on initial runs have messed this up along with experienced shooters and armorers. It's not intuitive and appears to be made by the engineering intern who has never seen how others are designed.
I’d wait a couple years before I even thought about buying one. Teething problems are a real thing for most products. Glock all day everyday, thanks. Please come again
1150rds in no malfunctions or issues with magazine or anything I wonder if they got a lemon idk but a lot of ppl around me had purchased one because of me and trust me if it was issues I would of been mad AF but it’s running like a tank for us
Interesting, I have a 5+ year old XD and one of the original mags stopped locking the slide after only 200 rounds or so. It’s a gun that I keep near my bed at night so I keep the good mag in the gun and the not too good one in case I need to reload. Other than that the gun has been 100% reliable with no circus tricks like dumping ammo on your feet. Any gun I own has to be 100% reliable out of the box.
They need to beef up the magazine tabs and spring strength. Also the the extractor spring and it’s hook needs to be beefed up to. Either way the pistol is a zero with these issues.
The magazine issues are worrying especially since Springfield is marketing the Echelon as a duty pistol. I wonder if the issues are just with the 20 round base plate and spring. Did you experience the malfunctions running the 17 round base plate and spring?
I did the same thing. I didn't have the extension installed properly. When I disassembled it and put it back together I heard and felt when it snapped into place correctly. Over 500 rounds and no issues.
My favorite part is when you pull the "are you tired of your rounds falling out of your magazine?" Infomercial maneuver by pushing your hand forward on baseplates that you know dont have the correct floor plate installed. 2k followers. 60k views. You got exactly what you were after.
Following just to get part two of this. I was really looking forward to this pistol, but very hesitant of all the normal guntubers who likely got handpicked gear. Very curious how Springfield addresses this.
But then Honest Outlaw does his review and practically destroys the gun to see how much damage it can take and still work… and not a single thing went wrong
Unfortunate to hear you having malfunctions with it. Hopefully they can get it fixed for you. Have heard good things up until this review. Thanks for being honest!
You can come to our range and try it out. I’m not a Springfield fan by all means but day 1 of our range getting it we had close to 500 rounds through it and that was last week and it had no issues at all.
The grip has a weird angle, you will have to hunt for your red dot each time. If you shoot M&Ps or even 1911s, your sight or red dot is directly on your eyeline when you are drawing out. With the Echelon, your barrel and red dot naturally points up, much worse than the grip angle of a Glock. So you have to consciously bend your wrist down each time to aim or else you will have to hunt for the red dot. With M&Ps - straight from the draw, your red dot is there. No need to adjust your pointing angle, just pull the trigger. I hope they make a frame that has a more natural grip angle and in Glock 19 size that still takes the same slide, barrel and guide rod as the original. Fix the grip angle and it's ready for competition. Not a single feeding issue on mine. No play on the optic mounting. No problems on my 4 mags. 800+ rounds.
I took my plate off, cleaned it good underneath and added blue loctite. I don’t think out of the box the plate screws have much if any loctite to make it easy to get an RMR on out of the box. You are the 2nd or 3rd person who mentioned the plate screws backing out.
I had to use a t10 driver to get them off because i was afraid of stripping with a allen. Mine were “springfield tight” (Have to grunt to get them) tight. The sights are the same way. Most sight pushers aren’t strong enough to push the sights off. I ordered mine and had it sent to my ffl though. It never hit gun store hands.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
The mag issue is a huge issue for many people but I'm sure they will sort it out it's a brand new gun. I also think most of your issues might of stemmed from the mag as well but we will see. Great and honest video
The extention on the mags droping free might of been caused due to being improperly installed. I have 374 rds through mine and thankfully haven't had any issues.
I’ve shot my Echelon a few thousand rounds already and have dumped empty mags on the ground in 2 matches. Haven’t had the first issue at all. In fact, it’s been flawless and is very accurate. Running a Holosun 507C green dot on it.
The RDS weight might be alleviating the issue if it's due to an overly tight spring.
Looks like the magazine is assembled improperly at 6:26. Metal tab on the extension seems to be on the inside of the magazine?
Fix the baseplates and try again , the tab goes on the outside of the mag not on the inside
Very interesting. Mine has had zero malfunctions. When i went to take my cover palte off to mount an optic, those screws were in there really tight. I had to grab the driver with a wrench to get the leverage to break em loose since i dont have a t handle torx. I have seen the issue where the baseplates are nit installed correctly by the users, but this is the first ive seen both bags just falling apart from the factory.
I bought 5 extra mags from Springfield when I got this pistol. Haven’t had a single issue with any of them. Put 300-500 rounds through. Even got the threaded barrel. Love this thing.
How you liking that threaded barrel bro?
I'm sure there's a guy out there saying, "I've been a John for years and haven't got an STD yet!!! Therefore STD's can't be real!!!" Yep, It'll happen at the worst possible time buddy!
@@RallyTacticalever think u just got a lemon and you are the 1% with this problem? 😨
@@cheesybeast1721 The same thing with the magazines happened on TFB's CZcams review. I guess here's the part where people start saying it's user error! LOL!!!!
@@helifanodobezanozi7689I mean it sort of was user error on TFBTV. James Reeves said it himself the base plate was installed incorrectly and didn't have any issues after properly assembling the magazine. NOW, it is certainly SA's fault for not assembling it correctly themselves.
Good information, and it's good to know all of the issues before making this purchase. I also subbed your channel. keep rocking it bro.~Drop it like it's Scott
Thanks for review !!! Sorry for the issues, but like you said it’s a new gun !! If they get the bugs worked out it’ll be sweet !!!
Thanks for the review. It gives me something to think about.
If you install the baseplates correctly you won’t have these issues. You can see they aren’t seated in the first few seconds of the video.
When I bought mine, the manual online even shows a video on how to properly install the extension. People just don't like to read. Every magazine issues video I've seen has been from people not properly seating the extension.
Exactly
Haven't had a problem with either one of my mags...1200 in and no issues.... Zero. And it eats everything I feed it. I also installed the extended base plate on correctly.
Guys it's possible there was a malfunction or an error in production. There are thousands of reviews of Echalon to date and most are great, but sometimes these things happen. It doesn't mean that the gun is shit..as a matter a fact it is a great gun. I am sure he will be happy with it when it's back from the manufacturer repair.
@CH-gp8cq right?? It looks like the metal retention plate is tucked into the mag which would allow the extension to slide right off. And whats with the extension being all chewed up at the end of vid??
Certainly exciting see this addition that merges innovations from multiple platforms. Will be great if they can resolve the teething issues!
Just like the p320. It is a brand new offering from Springfield. I am excited to see how this firearm performs once these issues are taken care of. I love seeing more companies move to the FCU platform. Just Sig fanboy myself since the p320 and 365 have been my go to guns for the past years. Excited to see more companies follow pace and push the polymer wonders father and father.
@@RallyTactical Oh I know exactly what you mean! I believe from the factory alone, Sig offers well over like 20 variations of both the 365 and 320. Its great to have options but my wallet hates me for it! lmao
yep. All first year guns seem to have something wrong. I remember when I bought my first M&P when it first came out in 2004 or whatever and it was a dog until they redesigned the feed ramp and recoil spring. It's good to wait until all the issues are sorted out.
Thank You for the honest review. You saved me. I will wait for the next Video
I had the same issue with the 20 round mag out of the box. Only happened once though. Hasn't happened again since I put it back together and haven't had any other issues either. I've got about 350 rounds through it so far.
Bro, I have been watching firearm review videos on CZcams for probably over 10+ years and by far, this is the FUNNIEST, most HONEST and REALEST review that I have ever seen. Love the "Threesome" comparison! The good the bad and the ugly all rolled in one. had to watch it 2x! Thanks for doing this. Just sub'd. I won't rule it out just yet.... I'll just wait a year like I did with the Prodigy. Great video!
@@RallyTactical yessir. Gotta support the community
Shot 90 rounds through one using three different types of ammo with no issues. Saw other youtubers who did not install the the 20 round base plates correctly and dropped there rounds also. Once they read the manual and installed the base plates correctly the issues went away. That ammo may work well in other guns, but I would try some other types also. I have seen other accounts of the optics plate screws coming loose, but this wasn't the case with the one I shot. Hope that info helps.
Awesome review guys, keep them coming!
Maybe a 1000 round review on the PSA Jakl or original Canik Rival (not steel)?!
I was considering getting this and I am SO glad I did not. I know the PDP is a bit older, compared to some others, but have you done a 1000-round review on it yet?
Those must have been monday morning mags they qc'd after a ruff weekend of drinking😂 thanks for bringing this to light because i was about to buy one i think i will wait until its ironed out!
Great start guys!!!
Best gun video I have seen in a long time❤
I just got the threaded barrel echelon and put about 200 rounds through it without any issues.
im really intrigued to see what Apex and othet trigger custom workers are able to bring to the table.
Did yall have issues with the black finish on the slide not being durable?
This is just user error same thing happened to me and it was because the baseplate on the mag was not seated properly. No big deal. Once it was installed correctly i haven't had any issues.
The first thing I did with my Echelon was install the +3 baseplate on the second mag. I’ve run a few hundred rounds through the gun and it has performed flawlessly. I’ve mostly been using Blazer 115 grain but other ammo has worked fine also. It’s possible it doesn’t like the ammo you are using in spite of that same ammo working ok in other guns. I have several guns that are finicky about the ammo. The mag issue you are having is just weird - I wonder if the standard baseplate would have that same issue for you. I am experiencing none of those problems with mine.
I did build one of my extra 17 round mags (only ones I could find in stock lol) wrong I didn’t load it with ammo. I loaded into gun and exploded apart. Thought I had it built right. I rebuilt with instructions and it has not done it again.
Most excellent review. You saved me a lot of money as I am in the market for a good match pistol for competitions. To hell with that pistol. Thanks again for the review.
This was eye opening. Thank you, now for the next modular offering …
I've been thoroughly impressed with my Springfield pistol. After firing around 500 rounds, it hasn't encountered a single issue. It's a true testament to its reliability. Amidst my diverse collection, including models from sig, Glock, SW, CZ, shadow system, I must admit the Springfield stands out. And when it comes to the best shooting experience, nothing beats my staccato P and the XC. Overall, a fantastic addition to my firearms lineup.
It’s reliable because Springfield didn’t make it. It’s a Croatian import just like their “Hellion” rifle lol.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
@@OFFICIALUNDmight wanna do more research on that statement bud that's not how it was
I have a Springfield EMP4 CCC, best 1911 I've owned, even liked it better than a wilson combat EDC X9 that I ended up trading.
@@remingtonsiefkas2458 Um, yes it was. Let me guess…you read Springfield’s (dishonest) press release and/or page on their website? The people who own the company and came up with the scheme STILL own the company.
Great video, what holster were you runnin.
the music during the mag malfunctions had me rolling 🤣. My brother in law and i both bought Echelons about a week apart. Currently at 3200 on mine with no issues. BUT, when changing the 17rd mag to 20, i noticed the 20rd assembled by SA was assembled incorrectly (metal plate was inside the mag, not outside of it). I corrected it on spot and no issues. My bro on the other hand assembled the his 17 into 20 the same way SA assembled the included 20rd mag, with the metal plate inside the mag. Needless to say, about half his rounds fell forward of the firing line (indoor range) and he wasnt happy. Gun shoots and tracks very well.
If the baseplate isn’t installed correctly it comes right off just like you showed. Once you get the little metal tab situated correctly you won’t have the problems you showed. It isn’t obvious how to do this (I had to look it up, not in the manual) but once you learn how it’s extremely easy. My buddy and I ran into the same thing on his until we learned this. Try it and let us know how it goes 👍
Would you stake your life on a 'little metal tab' being in (and staying in) just the right place?
@@mikemarriam It seems like the problem they were having was not what I described. Or, I wonder if they were installed incorrectly at the factory. Once you know what it is supposed to look like, its easy to know if it is right or not.
@@mikemarriam the "little metal tab" is longer on one side stopping the baseplate from sliding off. in other vids you can see people pushing their baseplates off with ease flipping the plate around stops this from happening, I haven't heard of the sight plates coming off that's a new one I watched a durability review and the dude was banging and whackin the shit out of it and the sight never even left zero. Maybe it's just luck of the draw this was the last gun of the day at the factory and the guy putting it together was tryin to get home lol.
When I see ammo in a Ziploc bag I get skeptical.
Hahaha, I do this sometimes and I always get looks.
Good lord, plastic bagged garagemade ammo, good job.
Bro shooting someone’s reloads. Lol.
Bro buys them in eighths and quarters 😀
Exactly! Gun seemed to run just fine for their little supercut at the beginning.
Lmao I have NEVER seen a pistol do that! Thank you for the laugh, SA; I could never have predicted a malfunction like that! Hahahahaha
I’m still getting one and I’m sure the mag can be fix I hope the Xdm mags work wit it
Are these Mec Gar made or Sprungfield in house mags ? Because ive owned several mecgar mag guns like Canik, Walther , Beretta , Sig excetra and theyre the best on the market imo
I have to say, this review is so much different than my experience with the Echelon. I purchased mine on the first day or release. Currently have a minimum of 400 rounds through it with absolutely zero issues. Should also mention, I have never cleaned it. Only thing I changed was I installed a red dot (Vortex Defender). I also have a Walther PDP and I actually think the trigger on the Echelon is better. In fact I had both of them at the range together this past weekend. The grip texture on the Echelon is perfect in my opinion, just fits my grip perfectly. I feel that the action is so much lighter and smoother on the Echelon as well, over any other striker fired I have to include Glock, Sig, or Walther. I have had so many people stop me at the range to ask about it. Of course I offer to let them shoot a few through it and everyone has been ecstatic about it. Perhaps the one you reviewed just has its issues, because really I am enthusiastically impressed with mine.
You have 400 rounds through it AND you never have cleaned it. Thank you for doing such an exhaustive torture test on this new pistol.
@@Diabolus_Musica I have both. This is not making a statement having never shot one or the other. Literally had the Echelon and PDP at the range together Saturday and Sunday of this past weekend. I am tell you, in my opinion the Echelon is the better trigger.
@@PPSChadwick Gun folks on CZcams kill me, really do. How many people do you know who don't have a CZcams channel have more that 250 rounds through their weapon a month after release date. Come on! Anyone you know goes to the range in July and just shoots through $250-$300 worth of ammo on a Saturday, who aint getting compensated for it.
@@RallyTactical yea especially with my pdp PRO trigger lol. I don’t think any striker fired trigger is going to beat that anytime soon. I am not fired up about the texture on the Echelon either. It’s ok just not going to beat Walter pdp. Or my cz p10. Probably can be fixed when someone comes out with a new grip module.
I will wait a year tell I buy one if I do so. I waited a year with my p10c my 365 macro and my pdp pro. No issues with any of them. Wait a year and find out has served me well.
@@RallyTactical Not disputing there are people out there who will speak favorably about this gun due to compensation or sponsorships. I am not one of those. Just simply sharing my experience with mine after 400 rounds (min). There are duds in every thing that is manufactured, if not there wouldn't be a need for quality control engineers.
Thanks for the review. I guess I will just wait a year or two until Springfield fixes any issues if they have. A great looking gun though. Can’t wait to have one in my hand.
Were the magazines completely stock, put together by Springfield? Did you try the standard magazines or just the extended ones?
New designs as stated before seem to have these issues more often than not . I believe springfield will figure this out. I'm glad I purchased my arex zero 1 t. No failures and 100 percent reliable.
I gave you my sub, all the way from Portugal land and a fellow guntuber.
I was thinking about getting this firearm. What would be better,the Echelon or the XD-M?
I've watched probably 10 videos on the echelon and this is the first time I'm hearing of this.
I've seen 3 complaining about mags exploding.
Stop using reloads..
I have a Hellcat and have been seriously considering the Echelon based off my experience with that Springfield/HS Product firearm some other reviews I've seen/read. I would of course rent one at a range first, and I was also going to wait until a peanut butter colored version (FDE) comes out. The Hellcat has been flawless, with 5,000+ trouble-free rounds through it, mostly 115 & 124 Blazer and Winchester white box target ammo, but also a couple hundred rounds of Sig M17 124Gr +P and the Sig V-crown and Pilgrim hollow points I carry in my defense mags, just to ensure they work well too. I've used it and a G19 for carry, depending on my clothing choice/weather with no issues at all.
I want a full-size gun for range time, and this seemed like one to check out. Hopefully Springfield sorts out the issues or you just got a lemon and they replace/repair it.
I was seriously looking at the Echelon but decided on the full size M&P 2.0. I'm glad I did.
I've never been a fan of springfield pistols... however I decided to give this one a try and actually really like it. I personally havnt had anyone these issues. From what I've seen and heard if the base plates are not seated correctly this is when you run into these issues. I have even ordered and tested 2 new mags so I have 2 extended and 2 17 round mags and havnt had any issues
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
Lol, I hope you've never purchased a Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Don't eat at Burger King or Subway. Don't use Yeti or Levis. Etc. Etc.@@OFFICIALUND
@@OFFICIALUND Man, you gotta try it. The best gun in the world!
I appreciate you for helping weed out the duds.
Just got my Echelon yesturday. Cleaned it lubed it and took it out back. I shot 4 mags thru it with no issues except 1, the trigger was hurting my finger. Don't know why but today going to shoot it again to see if i can figure that out. Other than that it was accurate, fast and smooth shooting. Glad i didn't have any mag issues but I'll see as rounds get put thru mine today.
I’m pretty anti Springfield across the board, but do you think wrist flicking your mags to the other side of the state may have something to do with your mags falling apart?
1,000+ rounds through mine with freedom munitions 124 gr reman ball ammo, no malfunctions or issues with slide not locking back. Got 2 additional magazines from springfield and those are working fine as well. Maybe I got lucky, maybe you got lucky, I am unsure. You also seem to be slamming the magazine in a lot more forcefully which I am not doing, but if that is the cause of the issue that would definitely need to get fixed. My only issue is that it's a somewhat awkward angle for my thumb to lock the slide back because it's protected by the shelf around it.
Are these malfunctions happening only with the 20 rounder base plate or with the 17 rounds as well?
I was seriously debating between the Echelon & the FN 509 MRD-LE.... After seeing your video I just made my mind up. Thanks for the view.
Thank you so much for the vid I will stick with a G19
Yours isn’t the only review that I’ve seen with these problems. Personally, I’m a huge SA fan. I carry the SA MilSpec EDC and have a Saint Victor as my long gun. I’m also old school in preferring hammer fired over striker fired. I really want to like the Echelon. I’ll wait a year or so for them to work out a few kinks though.
LOL, I almost spit my coffee out when you "mag dumped".
i had the same issue with plate with my 20 round mag im able to fit 21 rounds but no functionality issues so far. knock on wood
Thanks
Reversing the bullets back into the gun at the end gets bonus points from me. 😂
Ive got over 500 rounds with 0 issues. Mags aside, what ammo were you using? The recoil spring is fairly lite, id expect a failure to feed before a failure to eject.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
I bought mine about a week ago and haven’t had any issue up to about 200 rounds. I’ll be back in the country Sunday to put another 100 or more through it. Up to this point is been amazing
Thats good to hear! Our issues were primarily with the 20rd magazines.
Something I've observed too - a lot of people need to change their grip hold on the pistol as they put pressure on teh slide release, causing it to not lock back on last round
If you shoot well and have a high grip it may not be effective to change grip…different firearms fit different hands if you have the issue with the majority of the firearms you shoot then yes maybe adjust your grip.
Hol' up... Why do I not see the mag springs falling out @7:25 except the 2nd to last example where hes not slamming the mag in but pulls off the extension with 2 fingers?? And I dont see the retention plate on the spring 🤔
How many pins are pre installed out of the box? I count 2?
I've had prett good experiences with mine so far but I haven't ran it as hard as you have either. It's only got around 350 rounds through it. I did have the same issue with the cover plate but once I got my RMR and installed it that hasn't been a worry.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
@OFFICIALUND whichever flavor your mommas got handy. She's good with her mouth so I try not to fuss much over the details.
I'd be looking at the ammo and improper assembly of the mag.
Every video I’ve seen with this issue has been user error by installing the base plate incorrectly.
Did the FTF, FTE issues happen with factory ammo?
Slowed down the parts of the video where your mag comes apart to 0.10 speed and it looks like the mag mat not be assembled correctly. As the mag explodes and everything comes out, it appears as if the black metal base plate retainer comes out loose on its own, but it is supposed to be attached to the spring. I don't own one so I have no skin in the game, but I do know Springfield released a how-to video for the extended base plate install because lots of people were putting them together incorrectly.
Its always best to wait at least a year before you buy
the newest gun right after its released, gives it time for the manufacturer to fix any issues if they care to do so.
Im gonna wait, im content and happy with my Hellcat for the time being..
This is the first video i have seen with issues. Hopefully they fix it like they did with the prodigy issues.
What is that technique called when you flip your wrist and the mag goes flying across the range. I haven’t been taught that yet. Looks interesting.
Maybe call it the Wick Flick or the Taran Twist? 😎
Awesome video! Keep it up
Thanks for your review! Good to see another smaller channel moving up in the world. Something is definitely wrong with those magazines. I would just add that you mention Springfield and the quality control issues (Prodigy). The Echelon is imported from HS Produkt...which is why it appears to be far more reliable than Springfield manufactured products (Prodigy). They import the XD, Hellcat, Hellion, and Echelon.... Springfields most reliable offerings. It's a shame you had such a bad experience with such a great firearm. We over here wish you nothing but success with the channel brother!
Appreciate the input
Love the Tenet moment at the end
Who was your ammo supplier again?
That's why you always wait for the common people to do reviews that buy the gun themselves rather than sponsor or the ones that Springfield sends free guns to them........ You only hear everything is great just like The prodigy, but once people got the prodigy it was a different story, should be small fix it's only a mag
Had my Echelon for a couple of weeks. So far fired around 500 rounds and luckily not one problem. Hopefully my luck continues.
I had a much different experience than yours mine has run flawless for the first 750 rounds. However, I have watched at least 2 other reviews that experienced the reverse mag dump like yours. One of them explained it as they put the extension on the way they thought it should go, but actually the lip (I guess you'd call it that) ends up on the outside of the mag to properly lock it in place. If you have it on the inside, (which is how it looks like it should go) it will cause the reverse mag dump. I couldn't see in your video if this was your issue because I couldn't see the back of the mags. Also, it appears that at least one of your mag springs was bent, this could cause the failure to lock back and is a super easy fix; you pull the spring outand bend it until it lays flat. The bent spring tends to cause an issue more often in mags with an extension on. Good review, I hope you have better luck with your gun when it comes back from Springfield.
@@RallyTacticalOne thing to note is that even if the plate is on the outside of the magazine, you still need to make sure the metal plate is seated all the way down in the actual polymer base plate. If the metal plate isn't seated on the way down, enough force could still allow the metal plate to slide up, allowing the polymer base plate to slide forward, leading to the mag dump. Just keep that in mind when you get your Echelon back. Looking forward to your update once you get it back.
This should confirm that the design of the mag extension is stupid and done poorly. The factory assemblers on initial runs have messed this up along with experienced shooters and armorers. It's not intuitive and appears to be made by the engineering intern who has never seen how others are designed.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the Play?
I’d wait a couple years before I even thought about buying one. Teething problems are a real thing for most products. Glock all day everyday, thanks. Please come again
I’ll wait to get one. Nice posting.
1150rds in no malfunctions or issues with magazine or anything I wonder if they got a lemon idk but a lot of ppl around me had purchased one because of me and trust me if it was issues I would of been mad AF but it’s running like a tank for us
So glad to see this video. I was getting ready to pull the trigger and buy one.i need something reliable.
Interesting, I have a 5+ year old XD and one of the original mags stopped locking the slide after only 200 rounds or so. It’s a gun that I keep near my bed at night so I keep the good mag in the gun and the not too good one in case I need to reload. Other than that the gun has been 100% reliable with no circus tricks like dumping ammo on your feet. Any gun I own has to be 100% reliable out of the box.
And the only failures continue to be the two or three people who cannot seem to put the extension on the mag right.
They need to beef up the magazine tabs and spring strength. Also the the extractor spring and it’s hook needs to be beefed up to. Either way the pistol is a zero with these issues.
Sticking with my XDM Elite 3.8, flawless so far
What ammo was being run in this video?
BOTTOM PLATE HAS TO BE INSTALED CORRECT. NO PROBLEM SHOOTS PERFECT.
Finally a honest review Gun not junk just needs refinement
Or finally someone who had issues. Haven't seen these problems with a 1000+ rounds through 2 range guns.
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The magazine issues are worrying especially since Springfield is marketing the Echelon as a duty pistol. I wonder if the issues are just with the 20 round base plate and spring. Did you experience the malfunctions running the 17 round base plate and spring?
He installed the extension wrong. He's a re ard
@@Loyal69that is what happened to me as well, then I actually read the instructions. Lol
I did the same thing. I didn't have the extension installed properly. When I disassembled it and put it back together I heard and felt when it snapped into place correctly. Over 500 rounds and no issues.
I know Guns4Less is near me in Cape Coral! Great store, and Pistol Pete ammo is good stuff too!
I haven't purchased one yet, but I want to. I think I should wait.
My favorite part is when you pull the "are you tired of your rounds falling out of your magazine?" Infomercial maneuver by pushing your hand forward on baseplates that you know dont have the correct floor plate installed. 2k followers. 60k views. You got exactly what you were after.
Following just to get part two of this. I was really looking forward to this pistol, but very hesitant of all the normal guntubers who likely got handpicked gear. Very curious how Springfield addresses this.
But then Honest Outlaw does his review and practically destroys the gun to see how much damage it can take and still work… and not a single thing went wrong
Unfortunate to hear you having malfunctions with it. Hopefully they can get it fixed for you. Have heard good things up until this review. Thanks for being honest!
You can come to our range and try it out. I’m not a Springfield fan by all means but day 1 of our range getting it we had close to 500 rounds through it and that was last week and it had no issues at all.
The grip has a weird angle, you will have to hunt for your red dot each time. If you shoot M&Ps or even 1911s, your sight or red dot is directly on your eyeline when you are drawing out. With the Echelon, your barrel and red dot naturally points up, much worse than the grip angle of a Glock. So you have to consciously bend your wrist down each time to aim or else you will have to hunt for the red dot. With M&Ps - straight from the draw, your red dot is there. No need to adjust your pointing angle, just pull the trigger. I hope they make a frame that has a more natural grip angle and in Glock 19 size that still takes the same slide, barrel and guide rod as the original. Fix the grip angle and it's ready for competition. Not a single feeding issue on mine. No play on the optic mounting. No problems on my 4 mags. 800+ rounds.
I took my plate off, cleaned it good underneath and added blue loctite. I don’t think out of the box the plate screws have much if any loctite to make it easy to get an RMR on out of the box. You are the 2nd or 3rd person who mentioned the plate screws backing out.
Yeah I’m not shooting an optic….yet so decided to be safe and loctite them down. I have seen several people post videos of the plate coming off.
I had to use a t10 driver to get them off because i was afraid of stripping with a allen. Mine were “springfield tight” (Have to grunt to get them) tight. The sights are the same way. Most sight pushers aren’t strong enough to push the sights off. I ordered mine and had it sent to my ffl though. It never hit gun store hands.
You bought a Springfield? Why? Supporting them is the equivalent of supporting gun control since they lobbied for it (and got it in the end) in Illinois. Tell me, what is your favorite flavor of boot polish?
The mag issue is a huge issue for many people but I'm sure they will sort it out it's a brand new gun. I also think most of your issues might of stemmed from the mag as well but we will see. Great and honest video
The extention on the mags droping free might of been caused due to being improperly installed. I have 374 rds through mine and thankfully haven't had any issues.
@@RallyTactical huh. That's strange.