Springfield Echelon - Be careful!
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- After all the issues we had in our last review (see link below) we were excited to finally get this gun back from Springfield to do an update video. Unfortunately Springfield decided to make some bold claims, first being that there is nothing wrong with our gun and that it was the ammo we were using that was causing the problems, with that said, they decided to keep our 20 rd mags(which is what we thought was causing the problem) and replace them with x2 17rd mags. The gun runs fine now, even with the Pistol-Pete ammo that they claimed would not work in their gun, but sadly we could not test if the 20rd mags worked or not.
We will provide more info if Springfield updates us.
Initial review of the Springfield Echelon
• Springfield Echelon - ...
#rallytactical - Jak na to + styl
If you have not seen our first review of this gun, go check it out, it goes into a lot more detail and also highlights some of the great things about this firearm.
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Ok you might be the guy to as I can’t find anything about this gun with +p+ ammo. Can it handle it
As a rookie in the gun buying market this is the best purchase I made runs flawless and I followed the directions to properly add the extension to my magazine
Glad to hear that!
With ammo being as cheap as it is from reputable manufacturers why are we testing with no name, shit ammo? Mag Tech, Blazer, Fiocchi, Federal.. stick with them.
It makes content for his channel
I have two echelons and if you install the extension correctly you’ll have zero issues also I’ve never had a jam.
I agree. I abuse the hell out my Echelon and have 3x17 rd. and 3x20 rd. mags. Not one problem ..... EVER !!!!!! Topped with a 508T, an Olight Baldr Pro R and heavy recoil rod from Apex. It's a damn BEAST !!!!! 🙂
@@TheAmerican1963 6 months later and I still haven’t had issue with mine 💪🏽
Did they install the baseplates the wrong way or was it the factory ? These guys know guns a little bit bout firearms , and you would think they would’ve noticed how loose those baseplates were , and that was not right .
@@kcMan7938 they were installed wrong by the users, the firearm doesn’t really come with instructions to install the mag extension. Theres a metal plate that goes on the base of the mag spring and if not properly attached it will cause the extension not to seat properly. If installed correctly, it functions flawlessly.
1350 rounds through mine.
It has run flawlessly with absolutely zero issues
Happy for you. After we got it back she’s running pretty flawless too… minus the 20rd mag we didn’t get back.
Have you tried installing the parts correctly?
The plate popping off is the rapid unload function.
I absolutely love my echelon! It’s ran flawlessly for me! It’s crazy how there’s just a lemon from time to time
all that for a 2 second fix of the 20rd mag baseplate lol. Yea it should have came correct from the factory, all it was is that the metal locking tab on the extension wasnt fully seated
Josh. Just out of curiosity. Are you located in Florida? If you look at my name, did I buy 2 holsters from you guys the last time I was there?
I have 10 extra 20rd mags for mine, so 12 total, not a single problem with any of them, including the base plates I installed, properly of course.
Good to hear, Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags.
@@RallyTacticalits kinda embarrassing that a youtuber with “gun experience” cant figure the solution out. My friend got an echelon the first week it was available. His had the base plate installed wrong. Did some googling and found out it was wrongfully installed.
Made the corrections and never had any issues since.
This is how you lose subscribers or you never get them in the first place. Requested youtube to not recommend vids from you.
Peace
Can this gun handle +p+ ammo
I’ve watched a few times and it appears from the recap that you -only- had trouble using the 20 rounder, is that correct? I have had zero magazine issues in about 2800 rounds, however, I did have 2x double feed condition; a failure to extract, and subsequent chambering. One of them was a 115 grain, another was a 147, both were within 1500 rounds and only one of them was in the 20 rounder. Sent to S/A they ran 100 rounds through it, no malfunctions. That 20 round mag has had 2x failure to lock back the slide as well.
I believe they are using the same 17 round spring in the 20 round extended mag, which is not ideal.
BTW, I also had the optics plate come loose and more than once.
Honestly, I think it very well could be ammunition related. It doesn’t take a lot in for the tolerances to be bad on a round and create a malfunction and I’ve definitely had defective rounds both from major new ammunition makers and reloads. With reloads, the case is always a variable. It may be a minor variable or major. It could be once fired brass, or it could be fired and reloaded more than a dozen times. The case mouth could be out of spec, the primer not seated fully, powder charge variance could have gone out of spec - all of these things and much more can happen during ammunition production.
Same as yours, I’ve gone through as many rounds after getting the Echelon back and it’s not malfunctioned. At least they cleaned your Echelon !
Thanks for the feedback. We actually decided to move forward with reviews with pistol Pete AND new ammo as well. Think it will add value and show people if they have options or not. In addition like you said issues were really all fixed one Springfield took a look at it.
And just like that, after 4,780 rounds, I reloaded the 20 rounder and it spontaneously disassembled, spitting all 20 rounds out the bottom
I got new replacements, which look improved. No other malfunctions.
Thanks for the research - So echelon with the 17 round mags per se.... only. And 124 grain ammo only.
Did they ever give the base plate back😢 with real explanation
That’s messed up they should’ve sent you another 20 round magazine. I love mine zero malfunctions after 500-600 rounds , but noticed that their 20 round magazines have been out of stock since they got released and I’m wondering if there’s a fix that they’re doing and that is why 20 round magazines can’t be found.
They finally reached out. Magazine design had to be upgraded and they’re sending us two 20rd mags 🤙 glad they got it fixed
Mine is still going just fine, even with the 20 rounders. So I trust this over something that has been known to go off in a holster.
I can't lie it did happen to me. I had to go on youtube to fix it. I have run rounds and it's been working fine.
all of your issues were likely due to the 20 round mag extension being put on the magazine body wrong. You showed footage of the base pad yeeting off and rounds falling out multiple times, this can only happen if you werent putting the steel insert on the backside of the magazine and instead sticking it up inside the magazine body. The extension can not be pushed off the magazine body if the steel insert is installed correctly. That steel insert prevents the extension from sliding off the magazine body. You were reinstalling it wrong every time and the magazine extension was probably moving around on the bottom of the magazine during recoil and causing rounds to not feed properly, and causing binding issues as the rounds try to slide up the magazine body.
This pistol is one of the 9mm I am currently considering. Maybe I could deal with a magazine issue, but he poor customer service might be a deal breaker.
I haven’t bought a Springfield since I had nothing but issues with my prodigy. They also had more magazine issues with those pistols. That gun would not run any ammo. 2 warranty repairs later I still had issues so I sold it.
I’m got lucky then,as I have over 2500 rounds and zero malfunctions. No issues with the magazine as of yet.
No problems here. Over a thousand rounds and still looks like new also no problems with the Springfield saint as well, if you take care of them they'll take care of you 😉
This is literally the first "bad" review ive seen of this firearm, hes got great grip and recoil management, but the magazines have been an issue for some... havent seen it in mine. If youve installed the extension wrong, you will have mag issues.
Not true. You just seen five videos of different youtubers having the same issue and you still don’t believe Springfield or HS Product is at fault? Like any fault??
@@HighStimuli I've seen almost 9 bad reviews on it. 3 of them were after the so called correct installation.
They corrected the design and sent us some new 20rd mags. So far so good 🤷🏻♂️
Havent had any issues with my 20 round mags.
Good to hear.
An update would be appreciated
It’s bad on Springfield for letting their mags go out improperly installed. That being said it’s been covered pretty thoroughly how to install the 20rd base properly. Again , we shouldn’t have to. But once installed correctly it’s runs flawlessly. Took a two day course had zero issues , mag or gun related. ✌🏻
Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags. Point is our mags were installed correctly, everyone wants to quickly assume we just dont know what we are talking about, but the reality is, we've built plenty of guns from the ground up and have dealt with all kinds of different mags, it was clear what the issue was right from the beginning, and Springfield just verified it but updating the design on their 20rd base plates.
You thought you how to change the base plate for the 20 mag. NOT. It's not a football either
How about a full disassembly of the firearm. Let's see how long it takes to completely break down this pistol. Including the COG.
Sadly youtube has strict policies against assembling and breakdowns of firearms.
Well there is always Rumble. @@RallyTactical
@@RallyTactical theres other youtubers like Military Arms Channel that did break it down.
If the 20 round mag has the baseplate installed wrong, it will perform just like the issues you experienced. I can replicate it every time by putting it on incorrectly. No fault of the gun. I shoot mine in IDPA competition since new and right out of the box with my 147g reloads making 133000 PF. I have yet to experience a single issue. Between practice sessions and matches Ive put 2000+ rounds through it.
If it was just improper installation, why did Springfield change the design of the magazines without telling anyone?
@@bertgardner6570 You will have to ask SA that... All I can vouch for is mine runs like a precision sewing machine. Zero issues with close to 4000 rounds through it now. Zero mag issues as well.
Man this is a great gun
There's definitely something up with the 20 round magazines. Just yesterday i had a 20 round magazine fall apart in my pocket and after reassembling the exact same thing happened again today.
…..make sure you putting it together right
@@watchyoutube9553 I was putting it together right. I contacted Springfield and they told me there was an issue with some of the metal baseplates that shipped out. I should be receiving the updated plate today. Hoping this fixes my issue
It does. We got the replacement too
It’s cause you did it wrong… try again
@@30Cal-Cam Nope. I contacted Springfield and they confirmed the original baseplates were incorrectly designed. They've sent me two replacements and they've both been functioning perfectly. And yes, I compared them to the originals and they are in fact different.
Instead of complaining they “stole” your mag, shouldn’t you have reached out to them and asked them about it?
We did. Now we got 3 😘
My 20 round clip explodes apart at the range while loading it!!! 17 is fine with all ammo
The bottom just blew out of mine today, after about 2k rounds. No I didn't install the baseplate wrong.
install mag plates correctly and they wont fall off
Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags with stronger tabs, we will put out an update when we receive the new mags.
It appears that anyone can get on CZcams and test firearms without being knowledgeable with the product they are using. Nothing wrong with the 20 round magazines. Just operator error on assembling the magazine. Sorry guys.
Appears anyone can make an uneducated comment. Updated cover photo coming with Springfield’s admission and email to us that the magazine design had to be changed 🫡
I've got about 2500 rounds through mine in
From what I can tell the 20 round clips some were made wrong .
To everyone bashing this guy about correctly assembling the mags. If it was just user error....why did Springfield quietly update the magazine design?
I suspect they upgraded the design so that even unskilled kitchen gunsmiths can not assembly them incorrectly.😉
So great gun, minus the 20 rounds mags, and the fact that Springfield made it... got it.
Have had mine for a year now no issues 5000 rounds later. Seems like you never assembled or tried to make sure your base plates were properly put together lmao. All this complaining for user error.
So far( Knock on wood) i haven’t had an issue with mine.From what i hear the newer batches are fixed so i guess im good..(for now)😂
lol you should be good….. I hope… (jinxed it) 😂
Use standard 17-round mags. I don't like a pistol that looks like it has a harmonica sticking out the bottom of it. I don't trust those 20-rounders at all.
Also, maybe stop slamming your mags into your pistol like that. Not necessary.
81 years combined SA/HSP > PistolPete 's 15 years. that being said that self disassembly mag is trash lol
Is ammo technically self disassembling? 🤔
Mine ran flawlessly
👍👍Like it
I like the Cap lol, but I didn't have any issues with any ammo it eats all 115 and 124 reload factory. Maybe some of them are just bad due to QC. shot out Thank you for the video.
She’s running flawlessly after we got here back. Just passed 2k rounds
I don't see CZ 20 rounders dumping shit all over the ground. I also don't see Glock 33rd fun sticks dumping rounds.
You shouldn't buy a gun right out of the gate. I'm convinced most manufacturers are doing a large part of their testing on their customers.
He doesn’t look like he know what he doing foreal smh 🤦🏽♂️
He doesn’t look like he knows what he’s spelling. 👆
Right the gun is great but the mags /baseplates are ass. You guys and theSensibleShooter were the first I seen point it out. People are mad at you and the same thing happened to other people who reviewed the gun! Keep up the good work @Rallytactical
Thanks for the feedback. Honesty is punished nowadays.
Love the hat🤣
Thank you for your explanation and expertise and for trying to save our time and money 💰 ❤
Happy to help! Excited to see them make the fix and make this a top contender in the 9mm game
Popcorn!!! That was funny!!!
Who the hell is pistol pete?
Definitely thank you for showing this video, I like honest reviews, definitely is what I have seen the 20 round mags are the issue not the bullets ,
The magazine issue is just plain poor QC, and for tools that are literally intended to be used in life and death scenarios, I can't give them a pass on that. Also, in 2023 ammo sensitivity at that level where I have to rely on specific ammo, that's a no-go for me. Any CCW or home defense gun for me needs to be able to run crappy ammo of all common bullet weights in both FMJ and defensive ammo. If it can't do that, it's a range toy for me.
This comment 🔥🔥
Um. Why did you not push Springfield to replace the the 20 round mag. Not surprised. I had Springfield buy back an XD. Never would own a Springfield or Ruger again. No problems with HK, Walther, Sig
Put you mag extension together properly....
Updated cover photo coming with Springfield’s admission that the magazine design had to be changed 🫡
Dude, I NEED THAT HAT!!!!😍🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍🥰
I love that hat 😂
Where can I buy the used underwear of the shooter? Asking for a friend, don't worry Gage I won't say your name.
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@@RallyTacticalGot 5 on the way. 😂😂😂
The gun comes with a heavy spring rated for 9mm nato eventually after shooting or leaving the slide locked back for a few days it will begin to run lighter loads with more regular reliability. This is true for other eruo milspec gun such as the apx a1. Click bait or ignorance?
Would you consider a Glock a Euro milspec gun? What about CZ or HK? How come they don't have issues?
I've had my Echelon for several months. Not a single issue
Sounds like u love pistol pete, and you mentioned 8 times u didnt get a magazine back from springfield. 😂
Get a disingenuous feel from you not saying you're a bad guy but why not mention it's only been issues with the 20rnd mags and not the 17. Also adding in clips from other creators after all had mention the fix. I mean then again that is what got you the most views is this gun alone so maybe trying to push for more views.
Possible bad mags
Ha !!! It’s a great gun !!
It is. Mags are the problem
Never heard of Pistol Pete. Probably bad rounds in the batch.
Nope, we put around 350 rounds through the gun in our last video, kept swapping back and fourth and the rounds would work fine in our other guns, just not the springfield. The point of the video isnt bad ammo, its bad mags. Springfield actually just sent us an email and verified there is a design flaw in their original mag, and though not everyone is experiencing the issues, they are updating the mags.
Does your wife have to change your flats?
🫡
Who the hell is Pistol Pete? 😂
basketball player
No name, shit ammo..
No name, shit comment 👆
Buy a new mag spring and assemble the mags correctly. It’s not rocket science.
I’m sensing…. Daddy issues.
Ummm, sure. Nailed it.
Some defect with 20 round mag. Don't use 20 round mag and that's it.
Not defective at all. Installed incorrectly by Springfield or ignorant people who can't follow directions
I don’t identity as either. Please respect my decision or I’ll deem it as violence
Stop using reloads..
Yea well i got one and it has been flawless. Best pistol i got
This guys a cry baby lol first video I ever watched and all he did was cry about the mag extension
Go ahead and hit that unsubscribe button for gun Tubers that don’t know how to follow simple magazine assembly instructions. 😢
Stop complaining and follow directions
blazer hi power dude the crap you have must be so bad ''pistol pete '' wow ..blazer is the lowest stuff you can buy
Ok so let’s use Winchester or Sig 9mm (2 active recalls), or fiochii 9mm which is normally $3-5 more per box of 50, or federal premium 9mm which people don’t actually find on the shelves.
I love how everyone is "ammo expert" when they don't have a clue how to or have ever made ammo. 😂😂
Find the video to be somewhat disingenuous. I picked up mine assembled the 20 round mag and it didn’t look right. Did a quick search on the old internet and found that I was installing it wrong. Corrected my mistake and mag doesn’t have any issues. To assume that you are infoulable and that they are hiding something because they kept your mag for further review. I dunno. Just seems like no other firearm has ever had mag issues
lol a lot of butt hurt Springfield owners in these comments.
Feeding off their tears and comments 🤤
@@RallyTactical yum yum. Great video bud. God forbid you give an honest opinion.
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*I tried to convince people about these crap guns from big manufacturers.*
*Believe it or not, it's hard to get sponsor material when you keep calling all new guns junk.*
*So I just got out of the industry instead. I don't need the money. Or headache.*
*And I am not going to lie to strangers just to make money.*
This is exactly how we feel, as much as we would love to be sent free stuff from manufacturers, we are always going to share our true opinions, we do this for fun, and its no fun if we have to lie. Thanks for watching!
Mine has been perfect. This is for VIEWS…👎
Views don’t pay. No real benefit to lying for views in this industry and tbh the honeys don’t care if I have 2k subs… I did this cause I care. About viewers like you. Specifically you…
I love you. Terez! Take me back!
I’m not a fan of the present president of the united states….. Still the hat was tacky as hell. Hope your kids never see this video.
Gotta hide the reseeding hair line. I know you’d understand.
Dumb hat, Shakespeare. Language.