Battle Of The Iommi Sg Specials: Epiphone Vs. Gibson - The Ultimate Showdown

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  • @Yougotadollar
    @Yougotadollar Před 6 měsíci +8

    I think they sound very similar. Cool video.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      I agree, sound is pretty similar. It's not something that could not be matched with a little EQ. Big differences were in the looks and playibility .

  • @bretspangler8717
    @bretspangler8717 Před 6 měsíci +4

    I am an Epiphone fanboy. My first guitar was an Epiphone Prophecy SG, it was an excellent guitar and I ended up getting several others, I have 3 SGs, 2 LPs a Flying V, and an Explorer in Korina plus and a few Firebirds. I have an SG Special with P-90s in sparkling burgundy. I considered getting the monkey but it isn't a perfect reissue and overpriced for what you are getting.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Nice! Maybe I'm just spoiled playing the Gibsons that I have? I've just never found an Epi that I like. I have other import guitars that I like fairly well though. So I'm not a complete snob. 🤣

    • @FizzzieCat
      @FizzzieCat Před 2 měsíci

      I have a Sparkling Burgundy SG Special and while I like it, the Epi Monkey and it has a stronger feeling neck (it's thicker), adjustable individual saddles and a decent hard case. It may not make up the difference in price, but I always go to the Epi Monkey before the Sparkling Burgundy.

  • @drapp1477
    @drapp1477 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Great video. Really liked the side by side comparisons while playing. Now I'm curious what brand your Chinese knock off is?

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      No idea. I found a company of DH Gate that had decent reviews and asked them to build a guitar for me. But i didn't want Gibson on the headstock. So they inlayed OMEB. I had to have it repainted because they painted it brown. Not a perfect guitar, but gets the job done. I actually do a comparison video with it. Those Jaydee pickups are NICE!
      czcams.com/video/0VTZmeUTqHs/video.html

  • @Zabba5
    @Zabba5 Před 6 měsíci +7

    I like the way you cut from on to the other gives a great reference for comparison.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks, that's what I hoped to accomplish. :)

  • @michaeld2716
    @michaeld2716 Před 24 dny +1

    Great playing.

  • @davidmagazzi514
    @davidmagazzi514 Před 6 měsíci +5

    i noticed a slightly flatter sound/gain loss and loss of some sustain almost right away

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +3

      I agree, it's really noticeable when I'm palm muting at the beginning of fairies wear boots. But, in the same breath, I could probably just up the gain to compensate for the difference. Is a subtle difference.

  • @plantesounds8836
    @plantesounds8836 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I love the epiphone Iommi. In fact I loved it so much I’m having p90s installed in my Gibson SG Standard 61 . I’ve had a couple Gibson SGs and a couple epiphone. The feel of the Gibson’s can’t be beat. They are both incredible instruments though. I may be biased, but in this demo I preferred the epiphone. I definitely don’t think there’s 1500.00 difference between these guitars. You could buy the epiphone Iommi and a Gibson SG Special for almost the same money as the Gibson Iommi.

  • @jimotten3780
    @jimotten3780 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Good vid! Got a Gib standard and a special but recently wanted to try iommi Epi. I get that it feels a bit cheaper than a Gibson but all the right parts are in there. I really like the big thick neck but yeah, the poly finish kills the resonance. That said. I think this is a really good guitar for the buck. Sanding time😜👍🏼

  • @ronklijn5454
    @ronklijn5454 Před 18 dny +1

    Sonically day and night.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před dnem

      I could love with the sonic difference, not the playability.

  • @sams.4388
    @sams.4388 Před 5 měsíci +2

    How do the neck profiles differ between these two guitars? I've heard the Gibson has a chunkier C profile, whereas the Epiphone has a slimmer C profile

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I felt the opposite. I'm not a fan of big necks, the Gibson is very comfortable to play. The Epiphone wasnt nearly as comfortable. Very thick around neck joint.

    • @FizzzieCat
      @FizzzieCat Před 2 měsíci

      I'm a Iommi nut and have an Epi Sparkling Burgundy SG Special, an Epi Monkey SG Special and the Gibson Monkey SG Special. The neck on the Epi Monkey SG is not a slim C profile like the Epi Sparkling Burgundy SG. The Epi Monkey SG has a thicker neck, similar in feel to the Gibson Monkey SG. The Gibson Monkey SG does feel better overall compared to the Epi Monkey SG, but I would not say it feels twice as good as the Gibson Monkey SG price tag implies.

  • @TomTobin67
    @TomTobin67 Před měsícem +1

    My wife has the original iteration of the Iommi Epiphone. She was not impressed by the weight ( way too heavy for a 4 foot 11 woman). She gave me cart Blanche to mod the crap out of it,so I did. She met Eddie van Halen and he autographed for her and had it sealed in it.

  • @Gravity-Free
    @Gravity-Free Před 6 měsíci +3

    Amazing intro!!!

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it. Try to keep it short and sweet. Nothing worse than listening to someone unrehearsed babble on forever when its not necessary

  • @sixbladeknife44
    @sixbladeknife44 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The Gibson def. sounds thicker/girthier, but the Epi sounds good still and seems like a nice deal for the $799. I have the Gibson version and it has a very thick neck, a shade larger than my R8 Les Paul. The Epi neck as thick? I lucked out w/ my Iommi, it has an unusual highly figured top, sides and back…it’s pretty striking. Nice pickin’ and thanks for the a/b!

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I returned the Epiphone. The neck did feel like a baseball bat. The way the neck was seated in the one I had just made it so uncomfortable to play.

  • @jessebrigden2920
    @jessebrigden2920 Před 6 měsíci +2

    A proper comparison!

  • @perkins1439
    @perkins1439 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Epiphone pickups a tad bit brighter it may be the meds I wouldn't complain I love playing That Old Black Sabbath 2 man you're good

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you. I agree the Epi seems less saturated to me. Which might come off as brighter. Sabbath is awesome

  • @nohero178
    @nohero178 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Most guitars sound quite similar in a mix and that's no different here. Nice playing!

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you. And I agree... a little eq and compression, you couldn't tell difference

  • @FizzzieCat
    @FizzzieCat Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have a Gibbo Monkey and an Epi Monkey. The Gibbo's bridge posts are sunk right in the the body of the SG; I guess this is to permit the use of the replica Badass wraparound bridge, which sits higher on the body than the period-correct Lightening bridge. On the other hand, for the Epi, it seems they compensated for the higher bridge by setting the neck higher in the body recess.
    I think the Gibbo sounds a little fatter than the Epi, but he Epi is not bad. I love P-90s and the extra resonant harmonics often missing from humbuckers.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 2 měsíci

      I think the Epi sounds comparable, but playability is worlds apart.

  • @hotanimalmachine79
    @hotanimalmachine79 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great playing and tone! I love my Gibson Iommi, the Epiphone doesn't sound too different as well.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you. The Epi sounds close but it was not a joy to play. And the color was off. I'd rather spend the extra

  • @johnnysix7162
    @johnnysix7162 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Nothing wrong with Epiphones at all, just personally not a huge fan of them, I've played quite a few, but it's usually the necks that turn me away, has nothing to do with the sound of them, as you hear in the video, they sound very close in the mix. Gibson just having a tiny bit more girth. It's hard to notice in a mix, unless you're listening closely. But live amp in the room situation Gibsons always just flat out sound better. But sound means nothing if you don't like the feel of the guitar, and there are people who actually prefer Epiphone neck profiles and poly finishes. Just not for me. Great comparison.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I've played a couple good ones, but I would agree most I've had a problem with the neck. This was the worst one i have ever played.

    • @johnnysix7162
      @johnnysix7162 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@DrOMEB Yeah, Epiphones usually always have the steeper neck angles which effects the setup and feel quite a bit on top of the profile and finish. I've just never been impressed by one. I honestly prefer a Chibson over an Epiphone. Atleast with a Chibson you get $300 worth of guitar for $300, as with a typical Epiphone you get $300 worth for $1000. It's been 20 years or more since I've played a Korean Epiphone, but by memory I don't recall them being as bad as the MIC are.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@johnnysix7162 that was my biggest complaint about this guitar. The neck was sitting SOOOO high in the body.

  • @user-vq6vk8zi8z
    @user-vq6vk8zi8z Před 6 měsíci +1

    No surprise, generations change as well as instruments. Back then peavey, pearl drums were unknown now you see them on stage. SONOR my choice since childhood is considering a CZ Custom as well as a sawtooth. Sounds exceptional enough to me

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      Overseas quality has mostly improved a lot. So, for most it's good enough. I think the Epiphone is good enough if it's all you can afford. However, you are paying for the high quality and fine details on the higher end instruments.

  • @Guitarnivore
    @Guitarnivore Před 6 měsíci +1

    Nice. I liked the Epiphone version and recently reviewed it myself, but it just wasn't for me (Not at that price anyway). I'm sure the Gibson version is really nice too and I like the darker cherry finish. I'd really like A Gibson SG, but I'm holding off for the right one.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Nice review on your page!! The color and the neck issue were a deal breaker to me. Sonically it sounds pretty close to the Gibson.
      I think it was interesting the pickguard spacing on the Epiphone that you pointed out. Another difference that I didn't point out, the Gibson doesn't have the long adjustment screws on the bridge either. Lot's of inconsistencies between the two that seem like easy and obvious fixes.

    • @Guitarnivore
      @Guitarnivore Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@DrOMEB Thanks! I had no idea until I watched your video that the Nitro had that affect on the wood grain. Probably one of the main reasons Epiphone does that ugly veneer on their cherry SG's.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      When i started reading about why they looked so diff i found that info. I think i always noticed but never paid attention

  • @reneacosta9402
    @reneacosta9402 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great comparison. I'd probably get the Epiphone and remove that thick poly finish and do woodstain 😎

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 5 měsíci

      That's definitely an option, but this one just didn't play well.

  • @booshting3520
    @booshting3520 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Bit of tweaking and theyre almost interchangeable. The Gibson alwayswins on feel though. I learned this when i bought Gibson LP after years of Epiphones

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah, i could tweak the tone, but not the playability.

  • @jbenedict967
    @jbenedict967 Před 21 dnem +1

    look , ive measured the offset on the bodies, bevels , neck , body dims are all different, gibson wins on everything

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 21 dnem

      I agree with everything you said

  • @Brycereigle2000
    @Brycereigle2000 Před 5 měsíci +1

    You rock man!

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you so much!

  • @jbenedict967
    @jbenedict967 Před 21 dnem +1

    maybe now but, ive had both and gibson still is better from fret job work ive had to do on all my epis

  • @christopherguzzi1316
    @christopherguzzi1316 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I disagree about the finish. Guitar makers can make a poly finish that still shows the wood grain underneath. Just look at Fender and higher end Squier guitars. I believe Epiphone purposely puts a crappy opaque milky finish on some guitars so the Gibson's look all the better.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 2 měsíci

      That's a good point. It's definitely laid on thick. Maybe double the thickness of a Gibson finish. That's probably part of it.

  • @aldersmoke1
    @aldersmoke1 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Epiphone sounds better on the bridge pickup. By "better" I mean truer to Sabbath. I have a black '93 Gibson SG. I also have 2 Epi SGs, one a Special with Teg Vig P90s and one is one of the original Prophecys (from 2010ish, with Dirty Fingers, not Fishman's). Long story short, I play the Epis more. A lot more.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      Maybe I just got a bad one? I thought it sounded OK, but really didn't play or feel all that great.

  • @cuda426hemi
    @cuda426hemi Před 5 měsíci +1

    strikingly old fart blossom here - multitrack fool in retirement, old since 1970's (I'm 70) Gibson SG fan. The 50s CV Squier Strats and Teles made in China a few years ago are ridiculous keepers compared to dbl cost Mexican 'ders. But Epi?? I find the most fun and value in their $179 SG Special w/2 nasty ceramic buckers and a trick factory gimmick tone knob that doubles as push KILL SWITCH! plus "rosewood" board wha?? My Epi Muse SG and '58 LE Explorer had Laurel and Pau Ferro but the $179 has rosewood? Ohhhh kay, Bottom line the laurel and pau ferro were deal killers at $450-$650 respectively for SG and Ex - you can make ANY POS guitar sound good recording - I KNOW because I DO IT but if you are taking it on stage or want to actually feel quality luxury and ghost frets the action is so low - you can't beat the plek'd, fret-nibbed Gibson Iommi SG - like driving a Plaid S v an old hoopdee. Thanks to Epis stupidity in coming out with the $1300 Explorer which is a slightly less accurate version of a '58 than my '22 LE BOTH identical Korina and gold except the new one has Gibson pups - well mine cost $650 so I was able to sell it at slight profit which will NEVER happen with any Epi used. No more $500 + Epis, no more laurel. I found a MINT Iommi $800 off list with a case more luxurious than any Epi guitar is lol loaded with birth photo, leather strap, multi-tool, sticker, bridge screws - the pups are marked P90 Tony Iommi if you open it up - that means maybe they ain't generic Gibson P90s. My only greedy pet peeve is they don't put the zero fret on it like the $20k version and Tony's original had - don't care they left off the poly on fretboard too. My 2¢ stretched out too long. Bad bad riffin' there dude - I strongly recommend you crank that Monkey up and jam to the fantastic Aretha Sabbath on YT if you want to dig some rude SG. 👍🏻

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 5 měsíci

      The main bass i use for recording my tracks is a Squire. It's amazing and only cost $250. I'm still not convinced on the Epiphones, I've never played on that I like.

    • @cuda426hemi
      @cuda426hemi Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@DrOMEB That's funny for recording I'm using a $200 Walnut (veneer) Ibanez 5 string Bass and one of those fat ass Dean acoustic/elec Basses that sound nice acoustic but actually RIP when you plug it into a DAW or Amp- stupidly nice axe. Am thinking about adding Squier J or P Bass in future. ☮ 🎸!

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@cuda426hemii have a Squire p bass. Maybe fender has just figured it out better?

    • @cuda426hemi
      @cuda426hemi Před 5 měsíci

      @@DrOMEB I think so, there mid line is "better" and has a higher quality feel than Epi. I loved the fancy Epi SG Muse with push/pull, bound neck but it boiled down to the damn laurel and that other pau ferro on the Explorer - if either or both had even what's claimed to be rosewood on the $179 SG Special I would have an entirely different opinion because the neck and fretboard is THE thing I care about, the comfort, ease, QUALITY and "x" factor. Sandy, gritty dry just weird was my opinion. It's why when I found the mint Iommi with all the goodies $800 off list that was the final straw - the Epis tried hard but all but the $179 kill switch l'il bastard SG can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned. P Bass ey? I played the real one on the road last century in a different time and space, that may be the Squier I get. There is a reason practically any song worth a damn in the classic times of studio recording from 50s to 2000s the Fender P or J Bass was the Go To when it was money time. ☮

    • @cuda426hemi
      @cuda426hemi Před 3 měsíci

      What a blabbermouth I am. I just noticed that you really can't slight the Epi for 2 piece body at least, the Gibson Monkey is 2 piece too, lol. But that's about where it ends. 👀

  • @FortessofShred
    @FortessofShred Před 3 měsíci +1

    I love Epiphones. But I agree, this Epiphone looks cheap.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci +1

      It feels the way it looks for sure

    • @FortessofShred
      @FortessofShred Před 3 měsíci

      It seems to even be a different shade of red than the other as well, with no wood grain. I'm assuming it's a laminate or veneer top? The Indian Laurel board was the deal breaker for me, though.

  • @jbenedict967
    @jbenedict967 Před 21 dnem +1

    gibson better thats it

  • @davidszabo4679
    @davidszabo4679 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I think the Gibson sounded much better.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci

      Agreed

    • @FortessofShred
      @FortessofShred Před 3 měsíci

      Different pickups. Not like the ebony SG Custom.

  • @IMPULSOESTATICO
    @IMPULSOESTATICO Před 6 měsíci +3

    6 figures of student loans 🤣🤣🤣

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +3

      Yep, 3 degrees ain't cheap.

    • @JoeBlack1108
      @JoeBlack1108 Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@DrOMEB and here you are on CZcams that is free. 😁 not making fun. I hope it was worth it my friend. Nice playing

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci

      @@JoeBlack1108 It got me a VP of Marketing job (I left that recently) and It's allowed me to teach at the University level. A part time teaching gig pays as well as a lot of full time jobs. That allows me time to make content, do music and try to build my channel. I guess it's paid off so far.

  • @kimL93
    @kimL93 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Gibson thru iem is totally diff

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 3 měsíci

      I would pick the Gibson every day of the week

  • @daverutherford6401
    @daverutherford6401 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bought my Gibson SG from Tony through a music shop contact in Newcastle England (Rock city Music) way back in 1978 and yes i'm left handed ;) so owned now for 46 years and still my number 1 and yes i am still a Gibson snob :) still plays beautifully! one question though, why do you have the guitar strap button on the horn of the guitar ? looks out of place to me, obviously mine is where they were originally located behind the neck/body.

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Very cool! I bet that sg is awesome.
      Tony had his strap buttons moved to the horn. So all Tony's models have the buttons there. Honestly, it really helps with the SG neck dive issue.

    • @daverutherford6401
      @daverutherford6401 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@DrOMEB I thought about neck dive but dismissed it as i never had a problem when gigging, honestly i paid a fortune for it , £550 back in the day was a heck of a lot of money, you would think Tony would have cut a fellow lefty a deal , i mean he had a few ;) but i love it and will never part with it .

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@daverutherford6401 Even Tony had issues back in the day getting a lefty guitar in the UK! I bet it's worth a small fortune now, congrats!
      As far as the neck dive. I've noticed it a lot. I've actually moved the strap to the horns on a couple of my other SGs... but I am a Les Paul player usually. It just seems more comfy there.

  • @jimotten3780
    @jimotten3780 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Good vid! Got a Gib standard and a special but recently wanted to try iommi Epi. I get that it feels a bit cheaper than a Gibson but all the right parts are in there. I really like the big thick neck but yeah, the poly finish kills the resonance. That said. I think this is a really good guitar for the buck. Sanding time😜👍🏼

    • @DrOMEB
      @DrOMEB  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Haha! After you refin have Jaydee build real monkey pickups!