Recorded September 10, 2012 @ 5:35 PM Another crisp view across Lake Ontario, with Toronto's skyline easily apparent, as seen from Ryerson Park in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario.
I remember being on a road trip and we went through Ontario Canada, from Niagara Falls to the Michigan border. we rode along the highway right next to the lake and I saw this gorgeous sight. Maybe I should go to Toronto one day.
To all you flat earthers who don't live or have never seen toronto, there is a place called toronto island that is not visible there, and the city looks flooded as the bottoms of major landmarks are clearly under the waterline.
Nobody asked. And besides the reason you can't see anything other than skyscrapers is because of refraction and the atmospheric distortion, as well as the swell. This is a 36 to 38km shot. You can't see any curvature at such a short distance, if you could then the planet wpuld be the same size as Ontario. Please go back to school and worry less about what nobody else even asked.
Abstract Angel Artist Preponderance of ignorance, laziness, and group think from people who watch incorrect videos for their "evidence" rather than doing their own experiments is what you meant to say.
You're definitely not wrong about the view. That is pretty sweet. Sadly, your video just got exposed to one of the few constants of life...human ignorance.
When I was a boy dad took my family and I to Cape Kennedy. Not only did I get to see Apollo 10 lift off and go into space, I also saw a cruise ship "sink". I asked dad what was happening and he said the ship is going below our line of sight as the earth curves.
The Earth curves about 8 inches per every mile, so this view - which is about 30-35 miles away from the vantage point - means it's about 20-23 feet higher than ground level. It's not surprising you can see tall skyscrapers at this distance since you're only really not able to see the bottom two stories of each building.
derklempner the math is 8 x mi x mi / 12 for ft at 30 miles we have 500+ ft drop over horizon . the tower is 1500 ft with 300 ft spire . impossible on a curve .
Why would it be impossible to see an 1800 foot tall structure with a 500 foot drop over the horizon? I do notice the roughly 300 ft tall Sky Dome (Rogers Centre) is not visible though. It should be just to the left of the CN tower. I guess it's over the horizon.
+Mylitla They are confused aren't they? The formula they are using is only valid for an observer whose eye is literally at zero feet. It's a mathematical abstraction. At that height the horizon would start at zero feet away. In the real world you have to use a different formula and it's complicated. It's all explained here. www.metabunk.org/earth-curvature-refraction-experiments-debunking-flat-concave-earth.t6042/page-3 There's a calculator here. www.metabunk.org/curve/ Using this calculator a person standing at Ryerson Park about 15 feet above the level of the lake, looking at a city 30 miles away... The bottom 425 feet of the tower would be hidden. Which is what we see. What we don't see is the Rogers Centre - the old Sky Dome. It's listed at 282 feet high. What is hiding a 282 foot high building on a flat Earth How is light not able to pass over the level plane? Someone please draw a diagram of that.
Funny to think it's a huge world-class city over there from the quiet little community where you can hear crickets chirp. With Montreal it's even more bizarre since you literally drive through the middle of nowhere. From this vantage point, Toronto seems kinda like Oz
Could you post the specifics regarding make and model of the camera and lens? Or better yet, the horizontal angle of view for the footage at the start of the video? Thanks.
+JimSmithInChiapas My camera is a JVC Everio GZ-HM300BU camcorder. Nothing fancy, and it cost me a couple hundred bucks in 2010. As far the angle -- I have no idea. I put the camera to my eye, tried to hold it steady, zoomed in on Toronto, and zoomed back out. Sorry I can't be more specific...
Really like this video since one gets to see what one would see without any magnification just looking up that way on a good day before it focuses in further.
+V Marius Seeing China..... _from where_ and what part of China are we talking about here. The amount of atmospheric refraction on Earth as it is in reality fits with its accepted size, to be able to see the east coast of China from Chile, Earth would have to be several times bigger.. At 6 X its actual size, you should be able to see all the way around the planet due to looming alone, an effect similar to a mirage. East coast of Vietnam to Hainan island, China: 360 miles. Hong Kong to Luzon: 480 miles. Yaku, Japan to Shanghai: 500 miles. Wenzhou, China to West Papua: 2150 miles..... Copiapo, Chile to Wenzhou: 11,750 fucking miles.............. Let's take another flat earther fail that was ripped right out of a unrelated video (link below) Elba island to Genoa, Italy: only 125 MILES. To anyone who actually understands what they're looking at, even at this small distance it's still a MIRAGE. So no dude, unless it's a mirage, you can't even see the coast of China from 125 miles away! Some "Close" and (really) fucking far distances to China: i.imgur.com/DOOmuEU.png Genoa to Elba distance, Google Earth: i.imgur.com/JMNTFQ7.png Photo of Elba from Genoa. Obviously a mirage. i.imgur.com/RzvdPRP.jpg The original video the flat-brains at "atlanteanconspiracy" must have taken images from: watch?v=Tg2KAoZNHA8 Angle between the height of your eyes above SEA-LEVEL and the location of the horizon (for an average 1.7 Meter tall human) is less than 0.04 degrees, Want to see more than 3-5 miles away?? Ok get in a plane, flying over or parallel to the coast of China, tell me how fucking far you can see. On a flat earth there would be no limit on the distance you could see, if you just keep zooming in with more powerful telescopes at every few hundred miles, a rough guess of a required change rate of magnification power. And _NO_ you are not bringing things "back into view" they were already in view, but TOO SMALL to be resolved with ONLY the human eye alone.
invisiblem0vement YES, THERE WOULD BE A LIMIT. It is dependent on the ILLUMINATION STRENGTH of the area that you're observing. Do you know how telescopes work? Why are some telescopes better than others? Do a little research, please. It all depends on lighting strength.
+V Marius So the light is reflecting off the buildings and coming from the sky beyond them, but the land the buildings are resting on and the shore which is even closer than the buildings is somehow dimmer?
you must account for at least 400 feet off ground from both sides combined . say 10 feet where the camera is and that leaves 390 feet from ground level at toronto side . the site line of the waters edge is clearly less than 100 feet from ground level . try it with a telescope and see for your self .
Hotel Clerk Route 66 you should have stayed in school then. In seventh grade they explained how "flat" is relative to the center of the Earth. Maybe you can re-enroll and finish up.
I believe the earth has a natural curve of about 2 =/- inches squared per mile per mile. I think Toronto is missing about 20 floors via this view. I have seen this for myself.
Bottom 1/3 of the CN Tower should be missing, according to the official size of the earth. This video proves that the official consensus of the earth is a convex sphere of radius 6371 kilometres, cannot be true. Verify here: dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=32&h0=12&unit=imperial
+GOOD Sir. Actually it is globe proof, because it's obviously a mirage. You are just too stupid to understand it... All of you flat earthers are incredibly low in your intelligence.
+GOOD Sir. This video itself is proof. Learn how to search for answers yourself in Google, I am not your teacher... Google search terms like these and you will find answers :- "superior mirage diagram" "mirage, scientific explanation" "light refraction explained"
invisiblem0vement I already look fot that and cosider it all BULL SHIT its none sence just like Gravity... and Heliocentric THEORY... are all BRAIN WASHING BULL SHIT... but thanks for the advice i do think for my self....
I remember being on a road trip and we went through Ontario Canada, from Niagara Falls to the Michigan border. we rode along the highway right next to the lake and I saw this gorgeous sight.
Maybe I should go to Toronto one day.
that vista is completely impossible on a 'globe' earth... fyi
To all you flat earthers who don't live or have never seen toronto, there is a place called toronto island that is not visible there, and the city looks flooded as the bottoms of major landmarks are clearly under the waterline.
From that distance you shouldn't see 200 meters of the skyline. Which is about half way up to the viewing deck of the cn tower
When you can’t see it’s because the atmosphere is cause a refraction
On clear days you can see more than you could on cloudy days. People have done this to the same towers from the same height just differnt days
That's why I looked up this video.
Nobody asked. And besides the reason you can't see anything other than skyscrapers is because of refraction and the atmospheric distortion, as well as the swell.
This is a 36 to 38km shot. You can't see any curvature at such a short distance, if you could then the planet wpuld be the same size as Ontario.
Please go back to school and worry less about what nobody else even asked.
Wow. I never thought this video would stir up such a debate. I just thought was a cool view. :)
look into Flat Earth while on here.... the debate is over due to the preponderance of evidence. take care. :)
Abstract Angel Artist Preponderance of ignorance, laziness, and group think from people who watch incorrect videos for their "evidence" rather than doing their own experiments is what you meant to say.
NiagaraVideoClips And it is. Let these "armchair scientists" debate all they want..
You're definitely not wrong about the view. That is pretty sweet.
Sadly, your video just got exposed to one of the few constants of life...human ignorance.
When I was a boy dad took my family and I to Cape Kennedy. Not only did I get to see Apollo 10 lift off and go into space, I also saw a cruise ship "sink". I asked dad what was happening and he said the ship is going below our line of sight as the earth curves.
So impressed with Toronto's magnificent skyline, the people of Buffalo saw no need to build one of their own.
The distance from Niagara-on-the-Lake to Toronto while looking north-northwest of Lake Ontario is 52 kilometers.
The Earth curves about 8 inches per every mile, so this view - which is about 30-35 miles away from the vantage point - means it's about 20-23 feet higher than ground level. It's not surprising you can see tall skyscrapers at this distance since you're only really not able to see the bottom two stories of each building.
derklempner the math is 8 x mi x mi / 12 for ft at 30 miles we have 500+ ft drop over horizon . the tower is 1500 ft with 300 ft spire . impossible on a curve .
he tried to prove the curve and ended up disproving it because he has been lied to about the math .
Why would it be impossible to see an 1800 foot tall structure with a 500 foot drop over the horizon?
I do notice the roughly 300 ft tall Sky Dome (Rogers Centre) is not visible though. It should be just to the left of the CN tower. I guess it's over the horizon.
+Mylitla They are confused aren't they? The formula they are using is only valid for an observer whose eye is literally at zero feet. It's a mathematical abstraction. At that height the horizon would start at zero feet away. In the real world you have to use a different formula and it's complicated. It's all explained here. www.metabunk.org/earth-curvature-refraction-experiments-debunking-flat-concave-earth.t6042/page-3
There's a calculator here. www.metabunk.org/curve/
Using this calculator a person standing at Ryerson Park about 15 feet above the level of the lake, looking at a city 30 miles away...
The bottom 425 feet of the tower would be hidden. Which is what we see. What we don't see is the Rogers Centre - the old Sky Dome. It's listed at 282 feet high. What is hiding a 282 foot high building on a flat Earth How is light not able to pass over the level plane? Someone please draw a diagram of that.
zomby woof
you are either a fool or a pathetic lier and i suspect you are both
Pretty awesome video
Do you see the Rogers Center aka Sky Dome? nuf said.
Funny to think it's a huge world-class city over there from the quiet little community where you can hear crickets chirp. With Montreal it's even more bizarre since you literally drive through the middle of nowhere. From this vantage point, Toronto seems kinda like Oz
+kinkisharyocoasters if you have ever drove from Niagara on the lake to toronto you'll encounter nothing but cities
+Krvin Smith i haven't driven but I'm aware of it, with St. Catharines and Hamilton
Could you post the specifics regarding make and model of the camera and lens? Or better yet, the horizontal angle of view for the footage at the start of the video?
Thanks.
+JimSmithInChiapas My camera is a JVC Everio GZ-HM300BU camcorder. Nothing fancy, and it cost me a couple hundred bucks in 2010. As far the angle -- I have no idea. I put the camera to my eye, tried to hold it steady, zoomed in on Toronto, and zoomed back out. Sorry I can't be more specific...
NiagaraVideoClips Thank you for the information. And for your beautiful videos.
Really like this video since one gets to see what one would see without any magnification just looking up that way on a good day before it focuses in further.
Globe Earth proof. :^)
+invisiblem0vement LOL. Even seeing China would be a globe proof in your mind.
+V Marius
Seeing China..... _from where_ and what part of China are we talking about here.
The amount of atmospheric refraction on Earth as it is in reality fits with its accepted size, to be able to see the east coast of China from Chile, Earth would have to be several times bigger.. At 6 X its actual size, you should be able to see all the way around the planet due to looming alone, an effect similar to a mirage.
East coast of Vietnam to Hainan island, China: 360 miles.
Hong Kong to Luzon: 480 miles.
Yaku, Japan to Shanghai: 500 miles.
Wenzhou, China to West Papua: 2150 miles.....
Copiapo, Chile to Wenzhou: 11,750 fucking miles..............
Let's take another flat earther fail that was ripped right out of a unrelated video (link below)
Elba island to Genoa, Italy: only 125 MILES.
To anyone who actually understands what they're looking at, even at this small distance it's still a MIRAGE.
So no dude, unless it's a mirage, you can't even see the coast of China from 125 miles away!
Some "Close" and (really) fucking far distances to China:
i.imgur.com/DOOmuEU.png
Genoa to Elba distance, Google Earth:
i.imgur.com/JMNTFQ7.png
Photo of Elba from Genoa. Obviously a mirage.
i.imgur.com/RzvdPRP.jpg
The original video the flat-brains at "atlanteanconspiracy" must have taken images from: watch?v=Tg2KAoZNHA8
Angle between the height of your eyes above SEA-LEVEL and the location of the horizon (for an average 1.7 Meter tall human) is less than 0.04 degrees, Want to see more than 3-5 miles away?? Ok get in a plane, flying over or parallel to the coast of China, tell me how fucking far you can see.
On a flat earth there would be no limit on the distance you could see, if you just keep zooming in with more powerful telescopes at every few hundred miles, a rough guess of a required change rate of magnification power.
And _NO_ you are not bringing things "back into view" they were already in view, but TOO SMALL to be resolved with ONLY the human eye alone.
invisiblem0vement
YES, THERE WOULD BE A LIMIT. It is dependent on the ILLUMINATION STRENGTH of the area that you're observing. Do you know how telescopes work? Why are some telescopes better than others? Do a little research, please. It all depends on lighting strength.
+V Marius So asshat, do you actually have any more hilarious bullshit to respond with after almost an entire week.
+V Marius So the light is reflecting off the buildings and coming from the sky beyond them, but the land the buildings are resting on and the shore which is even closer than the buildings is somehow dimmer?
I just scalled the tower on this video, there is roughy 70m of the CN Tower hidden.
you must account for at least 400 feet off ground from both sides combined . say 10 feet where the camera is and that leaves 390 feet from ground level at toronto side . the site line of the waters edge is clearly less than 100 feet from ground level . try it with a telescope and see for your self .
Its very eerie looking. Kinda spooky. But cool!
Save that for a view of lake Erie
@@Thecellist959 😁
great camera you should shoot one from water level to keep the loons from commenting.
Hotel Clerk Route 66 you should have stayed in school then. In seventh grade they explained how "flat" is relative to the center of the Earth. Maybe you can re-enroll and finish up.
I believe the earth has a natural curve of about 2 =/- inches squared per mile per mile. I think Toronto is missing about 20 floors via this view. I have seen this for myself.
Take me back pls pls pls
Fr
8 inches for every mile squared. .....square the mile first then multiply by 8
duck12579 WRONG. That's a simplistic old surveyor's estimate that isn't accurate very quickly.
Superior mirage.
Bottom 1/3 of the CN Tower should be missing, according to the official size of the earth. This video proves that the official consensus of the earth is a convex sphere of radius 6371 kilometres, cannot be true. Verify here: dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=32&h0=12&unit=imperial
lol
It’s called a superior mirage, it makes things below the horizon appear above the horizon sometimes.
I just did a digital scale and 70m is missing
I'd love to see this shot at night for the sake of refraction being a non factor for the flat earth debate.
This proves the earth is flat.
lol what
No kiddo it proves globe because bottom of that skyscrapers is hidden behind curvature:)
the skyscrapers are higher than him bro
FLAT EARTH PROFF
+Matt Norden Shills will be Shilling...
+GOOD Sir.
Actually it is globe proof, because it's obviously a mirage. You are just too stupid to understand it... All of you flat earthers are incredibly low in your intelligence.
invisiblem0vement its oviously a mirrage? can you show proff of that?
+GOOD Sir.
This video itself is proof. Learn how to search for answers yourself in Google, I am not your teacher... Google search terms like these and you will find answers :- "superior mirage diagram" "mirage, scientific explanation" "light refraction explained"
invisiblem0vement I already look fot that and cosider it all BULL SHIT its none sence just like Gravity... and Heliocentric THEORY... are all BRAIN WASHING BULL SHIT... but thanks for the advice i do think for my self....
Flat Earth proof