How Did MINAS ITHIL Become MINAS MORGUL? | Middle-Earth Lore
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- Today we are having a look at the once great Gondorian City of Minas Ithil and how it later became known as Minas Morgul, like we see in The Lord of the Rings!
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Imagining Orcs hanging over the walls, like skyscraper window washers, painting them black and adding extra spikes
Possibly one of my favourite locations alongside Carn Dum. The Witch King simply has the best castles.
He definitely knows how to make an intimidating one!
It's really not fair that the most evil people or entities have the coolest architecture and aesthetics. Both in fiction and non.
@@johns1625 same can be said in real life. Name a more aesthetic, stylish army than the German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS. Not just the uniforms, but the marching style, tanks, planes etc.. Perhaps there is a subconscious part in our brains that makes us feel this way.
Earnur is a fun one to muse, because it can't be unproven. But given Morgoths (and therefore presumably also Saurons) method of chaining people to mountains to watch the awful fate of their people unfold, wouldn't it be dark if Sauron or the Witch King had granted long life to Earnur and trapped him in the tower of Minas Morgul to witness Gondor fall. Worse still, if the witchcraft kept him alive into the time of the war of the ring and when the witch King fell the spell was broken and Aragorn giving the order to seal the land off was the final nail in his coffin, and the former King was never to be rescued but wither in his prison never to be redeemed...or worse still, is still there now!
After Aragorn becomes king, he bans anyone from visiting Minas Morgul. But, after many years he will order it to be restored and it will be renamed Minas Ithil Again. At least, that's what I read happened.
"The Palantiri were like phones, only cooler". Yeah, face-timing with Sauron turned out so well for Denethor!
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Despite much of its lore-breaking, I love that Middle Earth: Shadow of War explains the Time of Watchful Peace as Talion's keeping Mordor in a perpetual state of civil war to hold evil at bay for as long as possible. Of course, the game severely crunches timelines and says he held the forces of darkness back for decades, when really it would be centuries, before he fell.
Regarding Eanur, I suspect he suffered a fate similar to what Hurin endured when captured by Morgoth. This could have entailed him being turned into a wraith, artificially kept "alive" to helplessly watch the fall of Gondor until the destruction of the ring and the Nazgul set his spirit free.
On a side note, one thing I love about Tolkien is he doesn't feel the need to explain absolutely everything, unlike most modern story-telling. He left much to his readers' imagination, which is part of the enjoyment. He never even hints who the Witch King was, nor tells Eanur's fate. He never mentions what was happening in Mordor during the centuries of watchful peace, allowing for fan theory stories like in Shadow of Mordor / War.
Honestly I think people freak out a little too hard about how much the Shadow games break lore.
@@andrewmaderer1989 I feel its lore-breaking is no worse than Peter Jackson's adaption of the novels, and that with so much material it would be near impossible to make an exact replica of events from novels to films.
@@djdomain I completely agree. And a lot of the lore changes are both not that big of a deal and also not bad.
I genuinly believe thats the goal he had, to leave much for fans to imagine and fill in. That is why I love the movies and games, the new show not so much, black dwarves and woke bullshit isn't for me
@@thecpt6265 Oh boi here we go man I wonder what he has to say about “forced diversity” or some shit. Do you people ever shut up? But you know I agree with the rest of what you said lol.
Videos like these always makes me think how amazing it is that Tolkien was able to create this amazing place that has so much deep history and stories. It’s just fantastic
He used history as template, change its names and places, then add some imagination.
A lot of authors tried that formula, and Tolkien was one of the best in it.
I really loved the part about Minas Ithil in Shadow of War. Yes I know its not canon or anything, but I just love those games no matter what! :D
Often the most scary and disturbing stories are the ones that leave it up to the imagination to fill in the gaps...
So true!
I think the answer to the fate of the king lies in that passage in the video..wich to me is like a riddle of some sort..It says he and afew horsemen dissapeared and there was no proof of the Kings death..therefore it is clear he was transformed..🗡️One of my favourite scenes in return of the king is the Minas Morgul scene...Epic and excellent directing.
It’s definitely a fun theory to think he was turned!
Keep up the great work Mellon! always good to watch you's guys
Thank you so much!
I like the LOTRO version of his fate, he was stabbed with a morgul blade and became the "Steward of Angmar" under the Witch king in the days of the war of the ring.
I'm playing a character in Adventures in Middle Earth who is an heir to Minas Ithil, so this is a great resource! Thank you!
What game is that?
@@punngoon9124 it's a role-playing game using the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons as a base
I still wonder if Earnur might not have been killed but might have been transformed into a lesser Wraith? The knowledge of the Wise concerning morgul-knives had to come from somewhere.
Great explanation. I always thought that it took much longer for Sauron to conquer it. Excellent graphics too!
Turned into a wraith, like Frodo was going to be, makes more sense. Death, as torturous as his might've been, is still an end. Turning him into a wraith would be far worse, as it can go on as long as they do.
The corruption of Minas Ithil sounds eerily like that of a radioactive zone like Chernobyl.
Great start to my day! many thanks for all the hard work you put into the videos!!
Thank you 😁
One day I was out with my family having a day out before Christmas and the last activity I didn't want to go to so while they went their I went to the cinema and the film I picked to watch fellowship of the ring after the movie my family said I made the wrong choice cause they had so much fun but I couldn't even begin to talk about the movie was still in shock at what I just seen I mean how's a ten year old going to explain a wizard taking on a balrog so I just sat their the full way home with this shocked look in my face now years later I regret nothing still the best trilogy ever and was worth abandoning my family to go see and that's how I went down the middle earth rabbit hole
I love all of your videos. I often listen to them when I need to feel calm or rest. I have learned so much about LOTR from you and I find your videos so helpful for my mental health and relaxation. I have listened for a long time now. Thank you! Would you ever consider recording a reading of the books?
12:08 King Earnur and the Witch King became drinking buddies at a haunted pub in London..
Another excellent video!! I was wondering what is happening with the table top alliance? Been 2 months without a vid. Are you still uploading? Love all your channels 👍🔥👍
On Saturday 2nd we unveiled our Blue Plaque dedicated to JRR Tolkien on the former Gedling Railway Station in Nottingham. He visited his aunt, Jane Neave here, and wrote his poem Earedel, the evening star, and we all know what happened after that. This was the culmination of 16 months work
It was the Kings spirit, among others trapped in the Barrow Downs as Barrow Wights. The Witch King himself was a Necromancer, which is why the Wise thought Sauron was a Nazgul.
Nice finally seeing notifications from this channel
Would love a video on Sauron turning Saruman evil
awesome. always wondered what that cities deal was. thanks
Awesome video
LOTRO's suggestion of Earnur's fate is very convincing.
Perhaps King Earnur was one of the statues supposedly witnessed.
I enjoyed playing the trrough the fall of Minas Ithil in Shadiw of War. Was pretty cool, even if non-cannon.
Thanks for the video I had a bad day today! I got a really bad seizure and passed out ✋this had made me feel better! Thank bro! And I think that Earnur had a long and tortured death I just feel like witch king would torture him
I can see the fool-hearty king being a victim of elongated torture...perhaps kept alive through sorcery and used as a labrat of sorts...to test newer and deadlier weapons for Sauron's Army..
Sadly so can I… not the nicest thought!
cool video James enjoyed it we might see Minas Ithil fall in the Amazon Show that would be cool its always been an interesting place for me I hope if they bring it into the show they do it justice
If by "do it justice" you mean something along the lines of: the city falling bc it's disgusting lack of diversity made it weak or it's armies hateful and ignorant barring of women, who make up the strongest, fiercest, best soldiers as we all know, from it's ranks led to an easy victory for it's attackers. Then yes, I'm sure the show will deliver. This very channel (The Broken Shill) are backers themselves.
In the books saruman was in it for himself and desired the ring to use for his own purposes
I’m not sure if you’ve done one already but one covering the hobbits returning to the shire like in the books rather than the film. Very different ending… would be great to see what details you can add to what I recall from reading it a while back. Thank you.
You make amazing middle earth videos but it is naïve to expect anything lore worthy from Rings of Power. I am happy with Minas Morgul and surrounding map area in LOTRO.
Probably turned into a wraith. We do not know how much the Witch King was able to make Morgul Blades back then, hundreds of years before the War of the Ring. Perhaps Earnur was a subject of experiment. Who knows? It is very likely that he was turned into a wraith, if the Witch King could do it. Perhaps he comited suicide upon realising what his fate was. Yet, if turned into a wraith, it would be interesting to know how much of his former self and free will was kept. Perhaps he, eventualy, succombed to the treatment he got, regardless if he became a wraith or not, and found true death.
They say, that Eärnur was more than capable swordsman. Would his talents get wasted when he's chained up on a mountain wall?
I bet he was stabbed with a morgul blade and turned to something useful for the forces of darkness.
But there again, Hurin was even better fighter than Eärnur, so perhaps the mountain wall rings some bells after all.
Or then witch king just beheaded him. You have a choice here, Eärnur had'nt
Wow. The witch king and his evil entourage didn't play it straight when Earnur and folk walked into an unbelievably obvious trap. Who could have seen that coming....
I really expected a known trickster and cheater to play fair. Imagine my shock.
@@ElessarMMA Honestly, if you can't trust the Witch-King of Angmar, who CAN you trust?
@@thatguywiththeface2444 Exactly my sentiment. The day we can't trust that man is the day I lose faith in mankind.
A video on the origins of sauron would be nice like who he was before and during his servitude to morgoth
Perhaps Earnur became Shelob food. But after years of torment at the hands of the Witch-King I'm sure.
Sauron had a penchant for sick ironic humor. He'd love the idea of using a King like Earnur as a veritable meat puppet for his perversion of "diplomacy".
I would love to see a video about the seeing stones. When were they built, when, by who, how many, and what happened to all of them?
If interested, they have a video for that content in the channel,
There are other videos on the Palantir...
@@eb1247 Not on this channel that I can see: czcams.com/users/TheBrokenSwordsearch?query=Palantir
@@eb1247 * palantiri * is the correct plural name of the seven stones.
Feanor son of Finwe, the first King of the Noldor created them in Valinor. the master-craftsman who later crafted the Silmarils of living Light.
What if Earnur and his men were captured and used to create the Uruk?
You guys should do a video on the ghost nation...
I dont think Witchking made a wraith of Eanur, but if Sauron and Witchking could have sent the corrupted last king back to Minas Tirith to corrupt the city from inside. Could have been a powerful move from Sauron.
I hope Sauron (or the Witch King) paid the guy who redecorated Minas Morgul well since he turned a beautiful city into an evil looking one.
Definitely got time and a half for that.
@@RogerRockmore Do you think Sauron paid overtime or was he turned into a Nazgul or something.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader He was the dark lord not a monster. Sauron definitely paid well. I'm sure he gave benefits such as sick pay and plenty of annual leave as well.
The green underlighting effects were top notch for sure.
Minas morgul have some sick LED lighting. I bet it can do RGB
The millennial version would for sure!
Great job.
I think that Earnur died but the vision of LOTRO is good.
If you ever played Lord Of The Rings Online, Earnur was transformed into the Wraith called Mordirith, the False King and Steward of Angmar.
That was the game interpretation of events. Nothing against it, but I believe the question was more aimed to a canon possibility.
Yeah it’s a fun take! Sadly it was never written by Tolkien though
@@TheBrokenSword Oh yes, I fully agree, it was an interest twist because he is the main villain in 'Shadows of Angmar' , brave hero to a corrupted villain.
Do you have any knowledge about Arwen's jeowl? what She gave to Aragorn
How in the hell did they build these cities in such a short time with limitedpopulations right after the alkalabeth?Minas Ithil, Minas Arnor, Osgiliath, and Fornost
It is never stated that those settlements were full cities when they were first founded. Sure, Númenórëans had great skills, greater than other Men, but they were not the Flash.
@@leonardofaber5823 I would advise to not use "kkk" as a expression of laughter. It only makes sense in portuguese but can be catastrophic to the unaware.
@@awal7994 thanks, I'll keep that in mind
I will say it because no one else will the kkk was a group of white supremacists in the US who did some awful things. That is why it is seen as bad.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader thanks for the explanation
I'm going to sculp Minas Morgul out of Stoneware Clay besides I fell in love with the structure of that building besides I told my friends if I ever hit the lotto I'm having a castle 🏰 built like Minas Morgal lmfao 😂😂😂
Hey I love your content I got into Lotr after Elder scrolls I love both with a passion
I'm going to go with he was turned into some sort of wraith and existed in that form until either the destruction of the Witch King or Sauron's final downfall.
The Map of Middle Earth by KLARADOX at 0:58 ...is that meant to be a German translation of Gulf of Lhun as Golf Von Lhun ?
I believe it was indeed an error while the person was making the art
the same way sauron turn tol sirion into the isle of werewolves
The Brohirrim!, lolz
First!!!
I think King Eanur became corrupted by Sauron and turn into the mouth of Sauron. Aragorn killed him at Gate.
That'd be cool and epically ironic, since Aragorn is his heir and relative (descended from Isildur).
King Earnur for sure didn’t die. A king of such a bloodline. You don’t kill that off. Dead is not useful.
It's why I like the Mouth theory. Adds some layer to "Is there no one here with the Authority to treaty with me?" Because who could treaty with a King, but another King? Thus the Mouth's initial distress at meeting Aragorn at the reveal.
My dork senses are getting excited to listen to this on the ride home.
I think he was turned into a wraith
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They turned him into Mouth of Sauron :)
But they left the palantir behind for Sauron ....
So I have a question; how do orcs sustain themselves? How do any of the evils in Middle Earth eat if the lands they touch become withered and die?
The lands around Lake Nurn in southern Mordor were fertile and slave run plantation farms produced food, also there was tribute/trade from Harad and Easterlings.
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I thought the Witch-King was a numenorean?
Maybe he was a numenorean, but it isn't sure, we know ony that 3 nazgul are numenorean.
Well first they had to apply to the Middle - Earth town planning and name change Committee.
Earnur became wraith -Gothmog lieutenant of the Witch King - that's what I like to believe :)
Minas Ithil is a unique location in Middle Earth Shadow Of War and when it became Minas Morgul . I enjoyed playing the Middle Earth games : Shadow Of Mordor and Shadow Of War .
I liked how much exploration it was to visit Minas Ithil in Shadow Of War and learn more about the LOTR lore 🙂
Could someone steal the palanteer from minus morgul?
What if king Earinor, never went to minus morgol
Wait... minas Ithil fall twice? So in Shadow of War, it was supposed to be the second falling?
in the game is "the time" when it falling
The tale is told by the prophet Robert in the tale of evermore from the land of zeppelinmore the queen of light took a bow then she turned to gold the prince of peace embraced the gloom and walks the nights alone
TLDW; they added a bunch of spikes 😆
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Since he was a king and human king became Wraith I think he became a Wraith. Also I believe they did not retake minutes Marvel because a bell rock slept there are quite possibly something more evil
This is just me, but I've always been a big fan of the LOTRO theory that Earnur was stabbed with the Morgul Blade when dueling the witch king, turning him into the figure later known as Gothmog, the Lieutenant of Morgul. This would make his return to Gondor at the Pelennor a lot more symbolic in the story, having the last king return from Minas Morgul, leading the garrison from the city.
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Your change of picture confused me 😂
@@TheBrokenSword lol
I think he suffered a long and slow death. Insult to injury by the witch King.
I am worthy of Mordor
I think he might have been tortured and turned into a servant.🤕
Minas Morgul has better light design you have to grant the evil eye that …
I don't like the idea it was destroyed after the war.
City of isilidur. I'd like to imagine they repopulated it after aragorns death
I feel the same! I’d like to think they retransformed it!
@@TheBrokenSword
Yeah like after decades.
The idea the city was forever lost makes me sad because that would imply to me that Sauron had the last laugh..
Isengard was redeveloped from Saurmans evil and I can imagine celeborn rebuilding and cleansing dol guldor back to amon lanc
i wonder if we'll see the fall of minas ithil in amazons tv show.
Minas is used too much XD
Those palantiri are really Just big phones
I don’t want to see any depiction of Minas Ithil by the wokesters at Amazon, based upon their attacks on fans and hatred of Tolkien, in essence viewing him as a sexist and racist.
Their words, however, have no power here. Or viewers, as they’re about to find out
Indeed.
YOU FOOL
ARAGORN WENT BACK AND CLEAN IT AND IT BECAME CAPITAL OF ITHILIEN AGAIN BRO WTF
King Earnur was stabbed by the Witch-King's Morgul Blade, thus adding the last 9th Black Rider to the Nazgul. Earnur is short form for Earendil. Earendil became the Silmaril Star of the Sky (Venus). Therefore he was Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Assuming Phosphorus' Association with Venus as a Red Colour); the Last 9th Reindeer to join Santa's (Satan's Alternate Form→Sauron-Annatar's) Sleigh.
I doubt they will tell this amazing story in the Amazon series!
No the Amazon series is all about gender politics and transracial middle earth
They let one bad apple through their door...
A lesson to all nations..
Keep the Foulness out and the wars in other lands..
He couldn’t make his own people, own language own city. I knew “Morgoth” growing up, he’s not as bad as everyone says. Let’s just say they he wasn’t listened to ever.
Are you projecting? Either that, or you fundamentally don't understand Morgoth at all.
So you're an Amazon shill. Too bad.
Not going to watch Rings of Power. Amazon doesn't give a crap about honoring the lore.