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  • @daniel26395
    @daniel26395 Před 5 lety +635

    Just so you guys at NFL Films know I would not be opposed to more full length episodes uploaded to CZcams

    • @Football__Junkie
      @Football__Junkie Před 5 lety +18

      Daniel Corral yeah, you know, upload all the old stuff that everyone is a big fan of... so I don’t have to do it and get demonetized for doing your job for you

    • @MGAF688
      @MGAF688 Před 5 lety +2

      I concur.

    • @IWantToBelieve1
      @IWantToBelieve1 Před 4 lety +2

      With how stuffy the NFL can get at times it’s nice to see the creative freedom they give NFL Films to make these things

    • @NunYa953
      @NunYa953 Před 4 lety +4

      They don't even have this stuff available on NFL Network. Their OnDemand is a joke. 24 hours of BS analysts talking about the exact same thing on every show.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 4 lety +4

      @@IWantToBelieve1 In spite of the corporate NFL's conservative image, NFL Films(what started as Blair Motion Pictures by the legend Ed Sabol, until the NFL purchased the company for his permanent services) has been an absolutely ground breaking organization in the world of sports videography and video documenting. They really changed how sports was retroactively documented, copious amounts of slow motion, a couple orchestras worth of live musicians for bespoke music, the 'epic narration', the whole thing.
      In fact, it's incredible how NFL Films' historic content holds up - it's all just so damn well written and crafted

  • @Clesterist
    @Clesterist Před 5 lety +145

    I thinks its hilarious that an NFL Production would willingly compare the NFL as big brother 😂😂😂

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 4 lety +19

      NFL Films has always been given a pretty wide, independent berth to work within, and I think that Ed Sabol probably got something in ink about such latitudes when he sold his company to the NFL.
      They've always been about the story though, in spite of how Corporate may look at times.
      Mind you, this is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to talk about when this material is 15, 20, 30+ years old - they certainly have never dove into the contemporary controversies surrounding Corporate; but, they'll for sure make a documentary about it in 20 years

    • @willmckee1632
      @willmckee1632 Před 4 lety +2

      Philip Tucker Okay that’s silly, but even if it were true, what exactly about it requires government intervention? What’s illegal about it?

    • @williamrussell8799
      @williamrussell8799 Před 3 lety +2

      @Philip Tucker your missing a chromosome

  • @richardsiemion5903
    @richardsiemion5903 Před 4 lety +108

    Being a Detroit sports fan it’s pretty sad that my city has seen more USFL championships than Super Bowls in my life time.

    • @beaujackson7699
      @beaujackson7699 Před 2 lety +2

      as a mn sports fan we have lynx n twins championships since my birth hopefully lions and vikes step up sick of Packers they need go down

    • @imgointolukins
      @imgointolukins Před rokem

      At least we have the Wolverines

    • @richardsiemion5903
      @richardsiemion5903 Před rokem

      @@imgointolukins no they folded in the 20s

    • @dynamitedingo7720
      @dynamitedingo7720 Před 11 měsíci

      A championship is a championship

    • @richardsiemion5903
      @richardsiemion5903 Před 11 měsíci

      @@dynamitedingo7720 yes I agree … it is … but not all ships are equal. A battleship is much more respectable than a fishing ship for a reason.

  • @ethanwood2397
    @ethanwood2397 Před 5 lety +546

    lmao they posted this right after the aaf got destroyed

    • @cruman87
      @cruman87 Před 5 lety +4

      Vid was posted before

    • @micanal9452
      @micanal9452 Před 5 lety +7

      The XFL is going to try the same thing with McMahon in Trump's role.

    • @Hbkdj0
      @Hbkdj0 Před 5 lety

      Hahaha

    • @rockvilleraven
      @rockvilleraven Před 4 lety +3

      @@Hbkdj0 The XFL seems to have done their homework.

    • @theriotartist
      @theriotartist Před 4 lety

      Whoever that investor was is a moron.

  • @damianm-nordhorn116
    @damianm-nordhorn116 Před 5 lety +135

    Fryar about negotiation at Trump Tower:
    "You've got all that money and you can't guarantee my contract?!"

    • @donaldpaluga
      @donaldpaluga Před 4 lety +8

      Fryar was a lousy WR! SAD!-President L Don Trumpard

    • @j-fpilote1576
      @j-fpilote1576 Před 4 lety +3

      Fryar turned out to be a real piece of trash, found guilty of multiple real estate frauds with his mother.

    • @chocolatetownforever7537
      @chocolatetownforever7537 Před měsícem

      Fake news....

  • @aaronromance
    @aaronromance Před 3 lety +10

    Steve got 40 million guaranteed from the USFL. Went to 3-16 as a starter with the Bucs, got traded to the 49ers to play back to one of the greatest QB. Steve went on to win couple Super Bowls & going to the Hall Of Fame. That’s one hell of story.

    • @craigmergenthal9291
      @craigmergenthal9291 Před 2 lety +2

      The Bucs were a bad situation for everybody- Young included. Getting traded to the Niners, to learn behind Montana for that great franchise, was the best situation Young could have possibly been in. It's possible history is completely different- maybe he wouldn't have panned out with Cincinnati in the mid 80s since he had some learning to do. Maybe he does and the Bengals beat SF in the 88 Super Bowl. It's an amazing story, full of "what ifs"

    • @TheToad075
      @TheToad075 Před rokem +1

      ​@@craigmergenthal9291 I feel like learning, basically, the same offense as the 9ers with Ken Anderson and Wyche would have worked out for Young as well

    • @Matt-cr4vv
      @Matt-cr4vv Před 10 měsíci +1

      He didn’t actually make $40M from the USFL. He made around $4.8M on that deal. The structure of the deal was he got $4M up front and then base salaries for the four years and at the end of the four years there was an annuity that would’ve paid him the remaining money of the deal over around 40 years. Young has spoken on it that the owner of the team offered to pay him the remaining $1M of the base salaries he was owed or he could fund the annuity with that money. Young chose to take the money because he says the owner insisted that the annuity had to remain in his name and not Steve’s so he took the money and moved on. A lot of the big money USFL deals that lured guys from the NFL were like that where they were big guarantees compared to the money of the day but the team owners couldn’t just pay them the money like a normal deal. They were all backloaded with long structures and none of the guys actually made what they were supposed to have made because none of the owners in that league had the money to simply pay them under normal contracts. All the USFL stuff that got top guys was just sticker advertising that nobody actually saw and then the league tanked anyways. Cool league but never had a chance to last because none of the owners had the money to last like the NFL did.

    • @chocolatetownforever7537
      @chocolatetownforever7537 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@Matt-cr4vvLOVED Steve telling the story about some LA Express fan in the stands yelling "40 million down the drain!", after he threw a pick in a game, and his mother, who was nearby the fan, yelling back at the man, "Its an annuity, dont you know its an annuity?"
      Classic.

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +45

    Boomer's football hero is Bert Jones, former BALTIMORE COLTS QB, One reason Boomer wore 7, it was Bert Jones' number.

    • @BTLAGS
      @BTLAGS Před 5 lety +5

      Its also a reason he would not want to be drafted by the colts in 1984 after they moved.

    • @Lawomenshoops
      @Lawomenshoops Před 2 lety

      @Fries You do know Boomer was a 2nd round pick? The BALTIMORE COLTS finished the 83 season with a 7-9 record. That meant the 7th pick in the 84 NFL Draft. In addition they had Denver's 1st pick, 19th in the 1st round. And they also had the 35th pick in 84. Boomer was the 38th pick in 84.
      If the BALTIMORE COLTS weren't stolen and stayed in BALTIMORE, they would have taken the Maryland QB in the 84 draft.

    • @Lawomenshoops
      @Lawomenshoops Před 2 lety

      @Fries Steve Young's $40M contract didn't help. NFL teams didn't want to get into a bidding war for Boomer. Some of the team in the top10 needed a QB, but other needs needed to be filled.

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +21

    Mike Rozier had the chance to become the first player ever to rush for two 1,000 yard seasons in the same calendar year in 85. Spring of 85 he rushed for over 1,000 yards in the USFL. Fall/winter of 85 he gained about 400 yards with the Oilers.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +2

      Reggie White did post two double-digit sack seasons in 1985: 13 with Memphis and then 11.5 more with the Eagles

    • @Jesushates6969
      @Jesushates6969 Před 5 lety +1

      @@mgb4692 remember how you thought Reggie White had 13 with the showboats and 11.5 with the Eagles? Look ma, another fail! Designated loser over here is at it again!

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety

      @@Jesushates6969 Youre right, other way around, way to catch me there........
      Now you're gonna have to make up your mind, either I don't know anything about the USFL or Im blatantly lying to make their players look better than they were. See I just made it easy for you by giving your comeback, so you can do it

    • @Mike-aka747
      @Mike-aka747 Před 5 lety +1

      How often was rozier used in the nfl is the big question. In the usfl he was the main back. More opportunities there. It’s not a question of which league was better.and yes Reggie White came into the nfl fresh from the usfl and came in kicked ass and took names. Just like nobody could block him in the usfl nobody could stop him in the nfl. A lot of usfl players came in and made an immediate impact for their nfl clubs

    • @Lawomenshoops
      @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +3

      Rozier was a highly coveted RB by the NFL. He was expected to be the workhorse! He would gain 1,000 yards for the Oilers within a couple years. He didn't have the HOF career expected but he had a good career!

  • @HoneyBadger201
    @HoneyBadger201 Před 4 lety +45

    There's a great 30 for 30 about the USFL I suggest you watch. It explains this video in greater detail, also Trump's involvement which was a major why the league folded. In addition to other factors.

    • @fjccommish
      @fjccommish Před 4 lety +2

      Trump's involvement was a major reason the league started.

    • @joediesen1
      @joediesen1 Před 4 lety +17

      Trump wasn't involved in starting the USFL. The USFL was the brainchild of David Dixon. He was the Lamar Hunt of the USFL and always envisioned it as a spring league that didn't compete directly with the NFL. He stressed fiscal responsibility to prevent the financial problems that plagued the WFL. The owners almost immediately went against his plan by paying outrageous salaries to compete with the NFL for the best college talent. This caused financial problems for many franchises. Trump bought the Generals after the USFL's first season in 1983 and he started convincing other owners that the USFL should compete directly with the NFL in the fall, and he also thought suing the NFL would be a great idea. Who knows if Dixon's original idea of spring football that didn't try to compete with the NFL would have worked out, but we do know that competing directly with the NFL and overpaying players was a very bad idea, and that was the plan pursued by several owners, including Trump.

    • @geleneceline2310
      @geleneceline2310 Před 3 lety +6

      @@fjccommish actually no

    • @craigmergenthal9291
      @craigmergenthal9291 Před 2 lety +2

      @@joediesen1 LA's owner, J. William Oldenburg, also spent a lot of money he didn't have. The USFL had several owners who probably shouldn't have been owners due to their financial situations, but also had some good owners- Bassett in Tampa was one. He passed away from brain cancer, i believe, which means the USFL lost a strong advocate of staying the course for spring football to find their own niche.

    • @aok2075
      @aok2075 Před 2 lety

      But Trump is a financial genius that turned $1 million into billions.

  • @jtstacey83
    @jtstacey83 Před 4 lety +13

    I miss how straight forward the coverage of the draft was back then.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 4 lety +3

      I've always preferred the "fly on the wall" style of presentation over the "made for TV" presentation that most of this rather straight forward and deliberate content is typically presented in. No, we don't need a DJ riffing over the comedian hired to "host the show" - just get to the damn content already

    • @Ozziemints
      @Ozziemints Před 4 lety

      Yes sir.

    • @TheHutchIsOn
      @TheHutchIsOn Před 11 měsíci

      Back in my day you whippersnappers!

  • @mikeybarboza3086
    @mikeybarboza3086 Před 2 lety +8

    Steve Young getting $40mill in 1984 would be over $100 mill today. Obv Young didn't play in todays generation but to just think about that is nuts. Also I had no idea or honestly don't remember Reggie White being in the USFL.

    • @Norcat10
      @Norcat10 Před 7 měsíci

      40 mil is 40 mil whenever. Are you high

    • @marvinolds6671
      @marvinolds6671 Před měsícem

      Yeah. Reggie played for the Memphis Showboats...

  • @brendanmccallion2350
    @brendanmccallion2350 Před 4 lety +93

    We're going to build a league. It's going to be the biggest, most beautiful league you've ever seen, believe me. ☝️ And we're going to make the NFL pay for it.

    • @gammawave1739
      @gammawave1739 Před 4 lety +2

      Ha so funny. Hes still the president though so in your face, hes still your leader and still runs this cointry better than any other president ever has

    • @jabaricrewsellis8740
      @jabaricrewsellis8740 Před 4 lety +6

      @@gammawave1739 "if the mind can be controlled, no need to control the body"

    • @UberKrispy
      @UberKrispy Před 4 lety +5

      He is only president temporarily. Sooner or later he will be gone

    • @flch95
      @flch95 Před 4 lety +1

      Brendan McCallion it’s gonna be yuuugggee!!

    • @joediesen1
      @joediesen1 Před 4 lety +3

      The NFL did pay for it. And it only cost them $1.

  • @raygordonteacheschess5501
    @raygordonteacheschess5501 Před 4 lety +33

    9:01 "Alright, the Patriots select SIX YEAR-OLD TOM BRADY...."

  • @GlobalWarmingSkeptic
    @GlobalWarmingSkeptic Před 5 lety +107

    lol poor colts, always being rejected by top picks.

    • @courtlandsmock110
      @courtlandsmock110 Před 5 lety +25

      yeah the Colts really got rejected by Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck

    • @courtlandsmock110
      @courtlandsmock110 Před 5 lety +8

      Andy S I knew what he meant just pointing out the Colts may also have the best luck of any team ever who have drafted 1st multiple times.

    • @MGAF688
      @MGAF688 Před 5 lety +13

      The Colts had a guy named Bob Irsay. It wasn't rejection of the Colts. It was rejection of Bob Irsay.

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 Před 5 lety

      @@courtlandsmock110 I didn't know that

    • @loyaldude10
      @loyaldude10 Před 4 lety +5

      Elway did not want to play for the Colts period. He and his father did not like Frank Kush's style of coaching, as well as the fact that Irsay was a drunken buffoon

  • @Eaglesden
    @Eaglesden Před 5 lety +7

    I remember Brian Sipe #17 left the Browns after the 1983 season to play for the New Jersey Generals in 1984. Kozar came in 1985 cured me. Sent McDonald back to the farm.

  • @CLuvTravels
    @CLuvTravels Před 5 lety +16

    I love old football footage

  • @SuperUkcats
    @SuperUkcats Před 4 lety +11

    If the XFL is going to survive this time, then Vince better start getting WWE shareholders to pitch in, in order to draft seniors finishing up college. Otherwise, have a nice day!

    • @noproangler9200
      @noproangler9200 Před 4 lety

      The XFL is backed by the NFL this time around. All tryouts and such are recorded into the NFL database. It is essentially the "minor leagues" for the NFL. Unsigned and undrafted players mostly. Think of it as "live game action practice". I think it will stick around this time and probably be a good thing for the NFL as a whole.

    • @SuperUkcats
      @SuperUkcats Před 4 lety

      NoProAngler - And where did you hear this garbage?!

    • @huh8896
      @huh8896 Před 4 lety

      SuperUkcats he’s saying it’s basically supposed to be the equivalent of the D-League to basketball or the Minors to baseball

    • @SuperUkcats
      @SuperUkcats Před 4 lety

      Andrew Reeve - Ha! You really expect me to believe Vince is going to bow down to the NFL when he never shows sympathy to other wrestling promoters? He’s already screwing up by being too cheap to pay for big name free agents and college graduates like the USFL did!

  • @SB-ov6om
    @SB-ov6om Před 5 lety +179

    When Donald trump creates the USFL but then 25 years later tries to get the Eagles to come to the White House after winning the Super Bowl 😂

    • @dacodawiteout4565
      @dacodawiteout4565 Před 5 lety +16

      *35 years*

    • @Musicvidsetc
      @Musicvidsetc Před 5 lety +29

      33 not 25 and Trump didn't "create" the NFL. Trump didn't purchase the New Jersey Generals until after the league had started. Try getting your facts right before commenting.

    • @stupidretard8366
      @stupidretard8366 Před 5 lety +23

      He didn't try to get them there, it's tradition that the team that wins the Superbowl visits the president at the White House

    • @jacrispiejackson69
      @jacrispiejackson69 Před 5 lety +4

      LethalDog 53 that didn’t even make any sense what’s the irony in that or what’s the funny part?

    • @THEHamBot1
      @THEHamBot1 Před 4 lety

      I dont see how theres any correlation.

  • @dayne357
    @dayne357 Před 5 lety +407

    I edited this comment so none of the replies make sense

  • @johnthesportsarchivist2600
    @johnthesportsarchivist2600 Před 4 lety +12

    How in the hell are Irving Fryar, Carl Banks, Wilber Marshall, Ernest Byner & Boomer Esiason NOT in the NFL Hall of Fame?

    • @chrishandsome4267
      @chrishandsome4267 Před 4 lety +2

      John The Sports Archivist great players just not HOF material

    • @johnthesportsarchivist2600
      @johnthesportsarchivist2600 Před 4 lety

      @@chrishandsome4267 I call BS. Carl Banks was great because LT was great. LT was often double or even triple teamed on virtually every play, which left Banks wide open to get to quarterback or whoever had the ball. And Wilber Marshall is a part of one of the best defenses of all time. Boomer, Fryar & Byner were all very underrated at their positions.

    • @joesmortgageminute8224
      @joesmortgageminute8224 Před 4 lety +3

      @@johnthesportsarchivist2600 Your first three sentences are an argument to keep Banks OUT of the Hall.

    • @johnthesportsarchivist2600
      @johnthesportsarchivist2600 Před 4 lety

      @@joesmortgageminute8224 To me, it'd be all the more reason to put him in.

    • @robertogonzales1956
      @robertogonzales1956 Před 3 lety

      Because it's called the Hall of Fame not the Hall of a couple Pro Bowls.

  • @EricGates
    @EricGates Před 5 lety +12

    Injury prone Simms...Giants draft Hostetler. 6 years later...
    That's some foresight right there.

  • @neilgoldring4832
    @neilgoldring4832 Před 4 lety +13

    9:28 =.The Irving Fryar " hey you got all this money, why can't you guarantee my contract?" quote about Trump is soooooooo believable!!!!! LOL😂

  • @PaulGaither
    @PaulGaither Před 4 lety +3

    @11:17 - Bobby Bethard was an NFL GM. His son Casey Bethard is a country mustic singer, and thegrandson is C.J. Bethard, an NFL QB, though he is only a 3rd stringer for the 49ers. He was George Kittle's team mate in College.

  • @johnj.todora4128
    @johnj.todora4128 Před 4 lety +4

    Blown away that the NFL actually filmed something that called themselves "big brother". Wow

    • @jakelaxton7869
      @jakelaxton7869 Před 4 lety

      John J. Todora um buddy they never did.

    • @johnj.todora4128
      @johnj.todora4128 Před 4 lety

      @@jakelaxton7869 The logo says "NFL Films" at the bottom buddy. The channel we are watching this is NFL FIlms . NFL FIlms is currently owned by the NFL and produces most of its filmed and videotaped content except its live game coverage. Are you saying that someone else made this and the NFL just put this on their channel?

  • @mikeyoungblood1642
    @mikeyoungblood1642 Před 4 lety +13

    The most interesting part for me is the Chargers scout at West Virginia scouting Jeff Hostetler

    • @johnthesportsarchivist2600
      @johnthesportsarchivist2600 Před 4 lety +4

      He may not have gotten as much of an opportunity in SD. With the Giants however, he was a multi dimensional player. I'm not saying he couldn't have been that in San Diego. But to be fair, they still had Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow. Unless maybe, they converted him to receiver.

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +4

    The Oilers made it 3 straight years that they drafted an OL!! The first two became HOFers- Mike Munchak and Bruce Matthews. Steinkuhler blew out a knee in the first year or two, but he certainly was talented!

    • @MrBaiyifan
      @MrBaiyifan Před 4 lety

      Man, if Steinkuhler had stayed healthy...smh. He was a beast...who could run! That OL would have murdered people.

  • @returnofthemack6295
    @returnofthemack6295 Před 5 lety +30

    NFl sure got scared because after that USFL was only to able to play just more full season in 1985 before it was canceled in 1986

    • @salamisumo2
      @salamisumo2 Před 5 lety +10

      Mackenzie Cutshaw If anything, it proved the USFL was grossly incompetent and dysfunctional to lose 163 million dollars and fold that quickly.

    • @jaimefish173
      @jaimefish173 Před 5 lety +1

      AFF never received the 250 million, it was a lie. They only got 70 million. Some believe there were ulterior motives and folding AFF was the plain all along. @@hawks8830

    • @xmbdesign7421
      @xmbdesign7421 Před 4 lety +3

      They were scared because of the leverage top football players suddenly had, having a choice of where to play. If there's anything sports leagues hate, it's giving more power to the athletes, lol. ;)

  • @swolemole69
    @swolemole69 Před 5 lety +10

    Dean Steinkuler was the guy who made the fumble rooski play

  • @marcoleone8189
    @marcoleone8189 Před 4 lety +3

    Fryar went to 5 Pro Bowls and had over 12,000 yards, 88TD Id say thats mor than a "solid" NFL career! LOL

    • @marcoleone8189
      @marcoleone8189 Před 4 lety +1

      @Harry Engel Yes, very true. But I was just talking about the statement that Fryar had a "solid" career and I was saying it was quite good.

  • @Rayeo_TNJ
    @Rayeo_TNJ Před 5 lety +9

    9:27 The Art of the Deal right there

  • @MountainDewComacho494
    @MountainDewComacho494 Před 4 lety +5

    I loved watching the USFL and even attended some games. They didn’t seem well attended. There were some great players and games. It wasn’t as good as the NFL but the USFL did stuff the NFL wouldn’t do.

  • @darkchocolate3390
    @darkchocolate3390 Před 5 lety +68

    9:25 LMAO, Trump has always been cheap.

    • @jacrispiejackson69
      @jacrispiejackson69 Před 5 lety +13

      DarkChocolate33 won’t get rich giving away money like it’s nothing

    • @Jesushates6969
      @Jesushates6969 Před 5 lety +24

      @@jacrispiejackson69 yeah he doesn't give away money even to his own workers whom he owes money too

    • @nickchristopoulos8138
      @nickchristopoulos8138 Před 5 lety +8

      @@Jesushates6969 love how liberals always claim to be compassionate and then throw around homophobic terms... the hypocrisy is amazing..

    • @afvet5075
      @afvet5075 Před 4 lety +3

      The NFL was cheaper. Trump knew that it might not work out and did not want to be on the hook for paying huge contracts like the LA Express did with Steve Young who got $40 million dollars for playing one season for the USFL.
      Trump was smart not cheap. If the USFL would have worked out he would have paid. That is called good business.

    • @schooper.
      @schooper. Před 4 lety

      Nice pfp

  • @zigwald
    @zigwald Před 5 lety +7

    Boomer was an NFL MVP in 88. started a super bowl.

    • @THETOYFROMTHESCHANNEL
      @THETOYFROMTHESCHANNEL Před 4 lety

      just want to point out that the super bowl bowl boomer started in the offense didnt score a touchdown

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +3

    They should talk about the LA Express signing three OL before signing Young. Two of the OL were projected first rounders; one was Gary Zimmerman now in the HOF . The Express also signed his best friend at BYU a TE, but he blew out his knee as a pro and didn't do much.

  • @Robert-xp4ii
    @Robert-xp4ii Před 4 lety +5

    LOL Loved seeing the high tech computer being used....
    "New England Patriots
    Irving Fryer"
    😂 That was big stuff then.

  • @holeefok2835
    @holeefok2835 Před 5 lety +37

    So the NFL had a WCW back in the day

    • @andrewarmstrong7254
      @andrewarmstrong7254 Před 4 lety +12

      WCW was actually winning at some point, this is more like TNA.

    • @MrPapageorgio10
      @MrPapageorgio10 Před 4 lety +1

      Andrew Armstrong The USFL was very successful in getting top talent to their league. If they would’ve stayed in the spring instead of listening to Trump, they wouldn’t have folded in 1986.
      The USFL definitely wasn’t like TNA!

    • @andrewarmstrong7254
      @andrewarmstrong7254 Před 4 lety

      MrPapageorgio10 Point taken. TNA still exists too.

    • @chrish931
      @chrish931 Před 4 lety

      @@andrewarmstrong7254 Yes but it wasn't the USFL it was the AFL and its now called the AFC and its the reason the Super Bowl exist.

    • @avalsonline2
      @avalsonline2 Před 4 lety

      that is unfair. WCW actually competed against he WWE for a decent amount of time.

  • @MadAngel209
    @MadAngel209 Před 4 lety +3

    The Cincinnati Bengals had a chance to sign Steve Young? That's a new one on me.

    • @williamherbert
      @williamherbert Před 3 lety

      Probably would have changed the entire history of the league

  • @Chase0370
    @Chase0370 Před 5 lety +9

    Had to absolutely suck being a Bucs fan back to back #1 picks one of which you weren't apart of. Taking the one good thing about away about being atrocious.

    • @jaycoleman6552
      @jaycoleman6552 Před 4 lety +1

      *_*a part_** , two words.
      Apart means to split.

  • @johnthesportsarchivist2600

    Imagine if the USFL had stuck around... Man, we'd have wars like you wouldn't even believe.

  • @DieYuppieScum91
    @DieYuppieScum91 Před 4 lety +2

    It's a borderline crime that Carl Banks isn't in the Hall.

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +3

    A couple players who were drafted in the 84 draft actually signed with the USFL. Leonard Coleman and Mossy Cade. I don’t think any NFL team drafted a player who had already signed with the USFL.

    • @Lawomenshoops
      @Lawomenshoops Před 2 lety

      @Fries The NFL held the USFL Supplemental Draft in June of 84. The USFL season was still going on.

  • @skwira000
    @skwira000 Před 4 lety +4

    This was not about the national anthem. It was Trump trying to get revenge.

  • @quintonmarksberry
    @quintonmarksberry Před 5 lety +5

    Seeing this as a Bengals really makes me so mad lol. We could've had STEVE YOUNG! But damn it would be hard to turn down that kind of money back in the day. They should make a NifL about Steve Young going to the Bengals instead of the LA Express.

    • @big8dog887
      @big8dog887 Před 5 lety +3

      Steve Young vs. Joe Montana in the Super Bowl with nobody understanding why this is a huge deal in a different timeline.

    • @rhumba2004
      @rhumba2004 Před 4 lety +1

      It took Steve Young like 6 years to be good; he didn't do much with the Bucs

    • @BTLAGS
      @BTLAGS Před 4 lety

      @@rhumba2004 The bucs were a bad team. Their ownership was trash and cared about making money not winning games. Their were one of those teams your career was going to end or it was your last stop. They could have had Bo jackson but they screwed him over and he didnt want to play for them after that.

  • @TickleSalty
    @TickleSalty Před 2 lety +1

    At the USFL/NFL lawsuit trial, Trump claimed he and Pete Rozelle were good friends and Rozelle had promised him he’d be the owner of an NFL franchise. Rozelle testified that he hardly knew Trump, and said Trump would never be an NFL owner and that the other NFL owners would never allow him in. The truth is, Trump had way more enemies than he had friends.

  • @The.Kyle.Scott.
    @The.Kyle.Scott. Před 5 lety +1

    It's a shame that the NFL let the AAF fold. It could have been acquired or absorbed by the NFL and used as a developmental league. Give them a 8-12 week season, cheap contracts, and ultimately players develop into NFL-ready prospects. Or they never get good enough for the NFL as players, but they still get paychecks and could become coaches/get jobs in either league. Oh well. Rip AAF

    • @BTLAGS
      @BTLAGS Před 5 lety +1

      @Rondough Howell The USFL was more about forcing a merger and beating the NFL than anything else. Thats why they were paying top dollar for players like the Old AFL did. The difference was the NFL was prepared plus The old AFL had better ownership than the leagues that have come in since. Lamar Hunt, Bud Adams, Ralph Wilson and Al Davis. The AAF was trying to become more of a developmental league for the NFL.

  • @TheSteveSteele
    @TheSteveSteele Před 3 lety +1

    No segment on Jim Kelly? Wtf? He WAS the USFL. The best QB by far. Threw for a zillion yards. 5,219 yards and 44 TDs in 1984 alone. 9,842 yards in just two years. Young, Walker, Flutie, Rozzier were ok. Reggie White was great. But Kelly was by far the stand out player. Even the Oilers wouldn’t scrimmage Kelly and the Gamblers.

  • @WoeIsLee
    @WoeIsLee Před 5 lety +9

    Sooooo what woulda happened if an NFL team just drafted said USFL player anyways?

    • @aramanon
      @aramanon Před 5 lety +3

      The Draft isn't law, just rules that NFL teams follow. If they sign a legal USFL employment contract that's it.

    • @Musicvidsetc
      @Musicvidsetc Před 5 lety

      If I remember correctly they had the rights to that player for 5 years (the length of a rookie contract back then). Irv Eatman, Anthony Carter and a few other USFL players were drafted by the NFL in the '83 draft and the teams that drafted them still owned their rights when they made their way into the NFL in '85 and '86.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety

      @@Musicvidsetc Jim Kelly

    • @Musicvidsetc
      @Musicvidsetc Před 5 lety

      @@mgb4692 Yes! That's right. Kelly too. I think he was the only HoFer to be drafted in '83 who played in the USFL first.

    • @Jesushates6969
      @Jesushates6969 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Musicvidsetc you remember them but not Steve Young, Reggie White or Herschel Walker? Christ Almighty

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 3 lety +1

    The USFL who had three player who would have been the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft- Herchel Walker, Mike Rozier and Steve Young.

  • @claudiusgreen2791
    @claudiusgreen2791 Před 3 lety +1

    I would love to see the full episode of "1984" uploaded to get the full story.

  • @ooammo632
    @ooammo632 Před 4 lety +2

    if i see another grammerly commercial im gonna pop my top

  • @FalloutProfile
    @FalloutProfile Před 5 lety +4

    First guy in that movie looks like admiral tarkin from Star Wars

    • @TheJoeyStylez
      @TheJoeyStylez Před 5 lety +3

      That's because it IS Tarkin, or rather the man who played him Peter Cushing.

    • @FalloutProfile
      @FalloutProfile Před 5 lety

      TheJoeyStylez wow he acted so long. RIP

  • @omegaman6193
    @omegaman6193 Před 5 lety +10

    I wonder what ever happened to the New Jersey Generals’ owner that was ultimately the catalyst of the league folding. He’s probably dead.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +2

      Yes J Walter Duncan died in 2009

    • @jaycoleman6552
      @jaycoleman6552 Před 4 lety

      *_*whatever_** , one word.

    •  Před 4 lety

      Trump wasn't the catalyst. He was the final nail. The owners not listening to the founder and overspending. They expanded way too much too soon. If you want to see how inept the USFL owners were, research the San Antonio Gunslingers

  • @joebarrett7651
    @joebarrett7651 Před 4 lety +2

    If generals with Jim Kelly and Hershel Walker got to NFL shall we say history would be changed

    • @gski201
      @gski201 Před 4 lety

      Kelly played in Houston, the Gamblers I think... Not in Jersey...

    • @joebarrett7651
      @joebarrett7651 Před 4 lety

      @@gski201 I thought they were gonna merge teams

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 Před 3 lety

      @@joebarrett7651 Yes, the Gamblers did merge with the Generals in the spring of 1986, anticipating a fall season. Kelly appeared on the cover of SI in a Generals uniform. But after the antitrust trial, the USFL shut down rather than play in the fall.

    • @KeithFroehlich07
      @KeithFroehlich07 Před 9 měsíci

      ​​@@gski201
      Before the last season that was never played the gamblers merged with the generals..
      He wanted to play in Pittsburgh if the league folded, he did not want to go to Buffalo.

  • @rosshoyt2030
    @rosshoyt2030 Před 5 lety +4

    I like how the NFL is comparing trump to Orwell’s 1984. Totally true. Dictatorships happen while good people are divided and distracted.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +1

      And the words antitrust exemption suddenly pop up...............

  • @hazi5961
    @hazi5961 Před 5 lety +9

    Carl Banks should be in the HoF

  • @mattchewhadaway167
    @mattchewhadaway167 Před 4 lety +2

    stop saying big brother so much, jesus I get it haha. Great vid in general though

  • @mikeschmidt4800
    @mikeschmidt4800 Před rokem +1

    I keep telling my son that NU used to be the Bama of it's time. Imagine the top 3 picks coming from one school.

  • @FrankLee-qd3hy
    @FrankLee-qd3hy Před 5 lety +4

    My Dad had season tickets for the Oakland Invaders. Warm weather football was weird...

  • @blahblahblah5155
    @blahblahblah5155 Před 4 lety +3

    Bengals fans punching air over Steve young 😂

  • @ChazSeamus28
    @ChazSeamus28 Před 4 lety +1

    the theme of this is pretty cool! Excellent writers.

  • @JacionBryant
    @JacionBryant Před 2 lety +1

    This is a certified hood classic

  • @Football__Junkie
    @Football__Junkie Před 5 lety +7

    That wasn’t Winston Smith in 1984, it was Grand Moff Tarkin

    • @Damon089
      @Damon089 Před 5 lety +2

      "I think you overestimate their chances!"

    • @Football__Junkie
      @Football__Junkie Před 5 lety +1

      Fear. Fear is what keeps more football leagues from forming. Fear of this battle station called the NFL.

  • @JStarStar00
    @JStarStar00 Před 5 lety +52

    Trump wrecked the USFL. Good work Fatboy.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +6

      Yeah ORANGEMANBAD!!!#!

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +6

      @@Jesushates6969 Learn to code

    • @JStarStar00
      @JStarStar00 Před 5 lety +8

      Anybody who knew anything about football knew Fatfckck Trump was a complete fckckup 30 years ago.

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety +1

      @@JStarStar00 Fatfckck? Fronnald Dropompf?

    • @WILLNOTCOMPLY72
      @WILLNOTCOMPLY72 Před 5 lety

      I'm sure you could have done better right looser?

  • @JosephCantu-qq1yr
    @JosephCantu-qq1yr Před 10 měsíci

    Crazy that Selmons career ended in 84. Another universe had a Bucs D with Selmons and Reggie White with Hugh Green behind them

  • @chocolatetownforever7537
    @chocolatetownforever7537 Před měsícem

    I miss the days when the draft was all on one day. Was awesome.

  • @danielkelegian5306
    @danielkelegian5306 Před 5 lety +1

    Howard Blazer said Irving Fryar had a good, solid NFL career. WTF is he smoking? I guess 851 REC, over 12,785 yds and 84 TD's is considered good and solid by some folk. He also finished with 15,594 APY.

    • @MrPhilaCuse
      @MrPhilaCuse Před 2 měsíci

      Definitely a weird comment. There have been many worse #1 picks.

  • @TiltBrook
    @TiltBrook Před 4 lety +1

    We have yet another (interesting/exiting) birth of a new league with the “new” XFL. With all the past trail and errors..including their own, and as recent as the AAF,.. you would think that this may have a shot!? It’s always cool when something comes around to make the NFL sweat at least just a little bit. All the while giving more guys a chance and TV platform...nothing wrong with that!

  • @josephdavis1704
    @josephdavis1704 Před 5 lety +12

    You realize big brother probably was just a figurehead/symbol not an actual person if you read the book

  • @REVOwolf22
    @REVOwolf22 Před 5 lety +3

    NFL Films Game Of The Week Please. Come on, you know you want to.
    DO IT!!!

  • @Fireyninjadog
    @Fireyninjadog Před 11 dny

    Irving fryar. Only the 2nd wide receiver to ever be taken 1st overall in the nfl draft. He's the only qb to catch a td pass from 19 different qbs

  • @ramram349
    @ramram349 Před 4 lety

    Looking back.............
    it was a really good group of college graduates for both leagues to choose from in 1984.

  • @Zombiejim666
    @Zombiejim666 Před 4 lety +1

    Love the house music in this

  • @carsonbeeman5796
    @carsonbeeman5796 Před 5 lety +7

    When they will make an episode on Tom dundon soon

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety

      12th of never, cause, like his scam artist mentor Mark Cuban hes one of the media's good guys, also kinda like how the UFL debacle never touched the Pelosis

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety

      @@Jesushates6969 #LOWIQBERNIEBOT

  • @toddschneck80
    @toddschneck80 Před 4 lety

    Very informative!

  • @MarloSoBalJr
    @MarloSoBalJr Před 5 lety +1

    I swear, I was born in 1993 but man the Irsays piss me off as a Baltimorean.

  • @mikewack6778
    @mikewack6778 Před 3 lety

    This was on my reccomended on the same day the USFL announced it was coming back

  • @nathanchristopherson5793
    @nathanchristopherson5793 Před 4 lety +1

    this whole video felt like a fever dream

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 Před 3 lety

      I remember as a kid reading about this stuff in Sports Illustrated.

  • @franchisefanatics6536
    @franchisefanatics6536 Před 4 lety

    Competition always brings out the best. Notice theres been no competition for the NFL in the past two decades.

  • @angrybirdz9287
    @angrybirdz9287 Před 4 lety +3

    This is the year I was born!
    How ya like dem apples? 🍎or 🍏

  • @ArtifisticA
    @ArtifisticA Před 4 lety +1

    Still miss my Arizona Wranglers/Outlaws

  • @ronniejdio9411
    @ronniejdio9411 Před 4 lety +7

    Remember the media wanted you you think this league was inferior. History tells us it was littered.w hall of famers. Usfl was great. Great players..

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 5 lety +2

    The Bucs- traded their #1 pick in 83 for a #2 pick in the 82 draft, that became Booker Reese. The story goes, the wrong player's card was turned in and instead of drafting Reese in the 1st round- they took Sean Farrell. Then instead of resigning Doug Williams, they basically told him to get lost. So, they needed a QB and traded for Jack Thompson!! What a waste of two straight #1 picks!

    • @mgb4692
      @mgb4692 Před 5 lety

      Not to mention he played in a four point stance and (usually as a result) was frequently out of position. Making this totally Bucs is that Farrell was a legit first round pick too

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 Před 5 lety

      And in '86, the Bo Jackson thing. 'Nuff said.

  • @manuginobilisbaldspot424
    @manuginobilisbaldspot424 Před 5 lety +1

    Tells you how much Osbourne blew it in the 1984 Orange Bowl allowing that great Nebraska team to lose to Miami. Top three players would've been from his team.

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 Před 5 lety +1

      That would make a good alternate history story: what if the Cornhuskers made that 2-point conversion and won the Orange Bowl 32-31?

    • @MrBaiyifan
      @MrBaiyifan Před 4 lety +1

      @@NJGuy1973 The play was there, but still never liked the call. Run the ball behind your All-World center and call it a day. Smh...

    • @MrPhilaCuse
      @MrPhilaCuse Před 2 měsíci

      Meh it was ridiculous Miami got to play those games at home.

  • @michaelleroy9281
    @michaelleroy9281 Před 4 lety +1

    SF 49ERS HAD MORE FANS AT PRACTICES THAN LA EXPRESS HAD AT THEIR GAMES

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 Před 3 lety

      The Express played their last game at some small college field.

  • @joejamros
    @joejamros Před 4 lety +2

    What if Steve Young picked NFL instead of USFL?

  • @johnharris3455
    @johnharris3455 Před 2 lety

    84 draft class of Earnest Byner, Wilbur Marshall, Carl Banks Irving Fryar deserves to be in the HOF

  • @raider8sox
    @raider8sox Před 4 lety +2

    this is the xfl's goal 😂

    • @KTF0
      @KTF0 Před 4 lety

      Nah. They won't have the money to pay for the big names. It's going to be minor league football at best. Hypothetically, You're going to have to give Tua Tagovailoa or Trevor Lawrence $20 mil a year, as an offer they cant refuse. Forget getting big names that are already in the NFL that are going to be free agents. The salaries will probably be rookie level salaries at best.

  • @KMcNally117
    @KMcNally117 Před 5 lety +2

    4:05 Steve Young: delete this

  • @michaelnewton1332
    @michaelnewton1332 Před 3 lety

    The USFL died with John Bassett. Him and Steve Spurrier were the only voices of reason that could stop Trump from derailing that train. But when Bassett died, Spurrier was on his own.

  • @garyrobinson2270
    @garyrobinson2270 Před 4 lety

    Steve Gerrad,rightside 11.14mins. Football crossover. Loving video.

  • @chickenlover5388
    @chickenlover5388 Před 4 lety +1

    Still don’t think this country is like 1984 by George Orwell?

  • @VinnieBoombatz374
    @VinnieBoombatz374 Před 7 měsíci

    Man, if only we had internet and CZcams back then. I don't think the common fan was privy to this stuff back then.

  • @jcb3393
    @jcb3393 Před 4 lety

    5:29 - amazing that he became the backup QB to Simms who ended up being the Super Bowl QB that got them through the playoffs.

    • @75aces97
      @75aces97 Před 4 lety +2

      Shows you how different the pre salary cap NFL was. If a team didn't mind spending money, they could hoard backup quarterbacks like Steve Young and Hostetler on the roster for years while some teams had to start Bubby Brister.

    • @rcreed77
      @rcreed77 Před 4 lety

      @@75aces97 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Edgar...
    @Edgar... Před 4 lety +3

    Trump said in a 1984 interview with The New York Times:
    " I could have bought an N.F.L. team; There were three or four available - that still are available, including, of course, the Dallas Cowboys. I could have bought an N.F.L. club for $40 million or $50 million, but it's established and you would just see it move laterally. Not enough to create there.
    I feel sorry for the poor guy who is going to buy the Dallas Cowboys. It's a no-win situation for him, because if he wins, well, so what, they've won through the years, and if he loses, which seems likely because they're having troubles, he'll be known to the world as a loser."
    In 1989, Jerry Jones bought the Dallas Cowboys for $140 Million. They went on to win 3 Super Bowls in less than 10 years of Jones' ownership. Forbes now estimates the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in the world, worth around $4 billion.

    • @75aces97
      @75aces97 Před 4 lety +1

      Jerry Jones sure got taken for a ride buying the Cowboys. 😄 What a LOSER!
      In all seriousness, Trump did try to backdoor his way into the NFL through the NJ Generals, which suggests the league must have blocked him from buying a team before that.

    • @realcanadianrailfan110
      @realcanadianrailfan110 Před 4 lety +1

      Trump couldn't sniff an NFL team ever... he says he could buy a team for 40-50 million, but Dallas sold for 140? So, for 40 or 50, he could have bought which team? He never had that kind of liquidity. All and any money he had was tied up long term in real estate as a slum lord.

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops Před 4 lety

    Jimmy Johnson had somebody put a number value on each draft slot. Say #1 pick is 400 points. So, if you trade that pick you should get close to those points. If you the #26 pick is worth 300 points, and you get the 35th and 55th pick, those two picks numerical value must equal to 300 points.
    So, the Bengals in 84 traded the #1 pick for the #16 and #28 and a 5th in 85 that turned out to #129. Did the Bengals get enough for the #1 pick in 84?

  • @mattchewhadaway167
    @mattchewhadaway167 Před 3 lety

    So Steve young thought the nfl would switch to nfl free agency just for him, that guy bugs the hell out of me. He had like 4 good years and now he is considered one of the greats

    • @KeithFroehlich07
      @KeithFroehlich07 Před 9 měsíci

      I thought the same thing I didn't think he was productive long enough to be an NFL HOF QB
      Ditto for Kurt Warner who in a five year span only won eight games as a starting QB.

  • @lazarbro
    @lazarbro Před 5 lety +6

    35 years from now there gonna be one of the about the AAF

    • @zacharylumpkin8016
      @zacharylumpkin8016 Před 5 lety

      lazarbro they shut down their operations till further notice

    • @idansolon4715
      @idansolon4715 Před 4 lety

      No way. Their League didn’t have anywhere close to the talent of Reggie White, Steve Young, Anthony Carter, Gary Zimmerman.

  • @KaitlynnUK
    @KaitlynnUK Před 4 lety

    Where was all the modern footage of the 1984 NFL Draft room shot? Is there a recreation of it somewhere? I tried Google with no luck.

  • @RCfromtheNYC
    @RCfromtheNYC Před 5 lety

    Great video, folks! Perhaps a more in-depth video on the NFL vs. The USFL, from the NFL's viewpoint, would be cool.

  • @Staceyatkinson4496
    @Staceyatkinson4496 Před 5 lety +7

    The Donalds motto was " let's make football great again" yeah look how that turned out

    • @dcarman686
      @dcarman686 Před 3 lety

      What do you mean? USFL was exciting as could be.