@@raptor96 its actually a more thought-through response as it might seem at first since the German government set an ultimatum for the dutch government to allow German troops to secure the borders from allied landings which wasnt met (in time) and resulted in the Netherlands being occupied.
@@imGeistevereint its not really that deep. The old men whined and complained about how their people were brutalised yet made fun of the people who they themselves brutalised
@@sarubet8725 Maybe if you could understand German then you could actually understand the tone he was speaking in. Some words aren't translated as they should be iether and lead to a false image in your imagination
Because we Britain declared war so they had no choice but to remove the threat from the west which included passing through the Netherlands to do that.
As much as I respect them, it's pretty stupid saying "Geneva convention, Strafbattalion, etc." and two minutes later "war has no laws". Better to say "the Dutch were allied with the British so they'd invaded from there" or some logical argument rather than contradict themselves
I think you misread the translation. He said, "War has its own laws". Was it against the law to invade a country without a declaration of war back then?
they are neurotics. it's when the child is traumatized to be perfect, can't deal with being wrong, mistaken, fooled, deceived. this results in compulsive lying and contradicting actions and speech. they're quite simply functionally insane.
I don't respect them or you because it's all bullshit. Not only did Germany start the war, the Netherlands and Belgium also weren't allied with France and Britain. Belgium had even denied French requests at fortifying against Germany pointing at their neutrality. Invading a neutral country was simply a tool towards finishing off the aggressive war.
1. Yes, in order to invade a country “legally” you’d wanna declare war. 2. The Dutch were not allied to the British in either World War, they were neutral until the invasion in 1940
@@gottmituns1938 Well, yeah, that's why there's such a thing of "declaration of war" to begin with. Theoretically it must go through a certain diplomatic procedure.
@@paulmonn7988 damn you guys wanna talk gaza everywhere right Where were you during the syrian war? Where were you when the muslim minority in China is being killed in camps? Where were you during all the other endless conflicts in the middle east and in africa? (too many to count) You were nowhere. Now shut your mouth. Go figure
Warning this comment is somewhat long, if you don't like context and analogies of Historical Significance from a historian of 12 years study/work, stop reading now: Imagine you have two sworn enemies named Fasces and Comisky, Fasces strikes Comisky first and you see this as a grand oppurtunity for a temporary alliance against Fasces, and eventually you defeat Fasces with Comisky. But now Comisky is stronger than before and threatens and fights you while Fasces with sad amusement tells you how you chose the wrong enemy to ally yourself with. Comisky is worse than Fasces tenfold. I gave the best example of how communism came on the rise as an increased World Power. You think the Holocaust was bad? The Gulags make the concentration camps look like Camp Green Lake. America chose the worst of the enemies it faced to ally itself with. And look at us now as Americans, literal self neutering, self hatred, illogical hatred towards each other, acceptance of sexualization of children, inflation, crippling debt....all because we chose Comisky over Fasces. Comisky took over the schools to "educate" us on his agenda, and a lot of us Americans are getting fucked over by these "Educated" people because Comisky knew that he couldn't face America without heavy losses and/or defeat. Subjugate and indoctrinate the young to tear the country from the inside before invading it, because we all know that invading a country unites its people, but break the people before invasion and you have won without setting a single troop on the beaches. Not saying Fascism is better than Communism, just merely stating that Hitler had 0 interest to fight a pacifist country (America) and if Imperialism did not attack Pearl Harbor and relinquished their territorial gains, Germany and Russia would have torn each other apart, most likely Germany would have lost still, but Russia would have no power left to hold the vast territories it had held pre Cold War, therefore Communist dominance in Eastern Europe would not exist and communism would have fallen like the Russian Empire after the string of failures and losses fell on Ioseb Jugashvili (Joseph Stalin) like they had on Czar Nicholas II. In an ideal world that would've happened.
Scumbag liars. Those "Boslheviks" they were "fighting" were all in labor camps and jailed for crimes. And they started their career by German industrialists sponsoring them and hauling gold for Jewish and other mercenaries in St. Petersburg. Lenin got caught with documents that clearly show that he was an agent of German intelligence.
All of Europe united to battle Bolshevism, the Indians and Arabs included. The European Volunteer Movement. Besides that, even before the war, National Socialism was like a renaissance across Europe, and many nations formed similar movements analogous to Hitler's. It was the natural human progression, and a new Europe was forming! Unfortunately, the opposite powers were too powerful and too cunning to allow this transformation to occur.
@@Vifnis yeah cuz they are saying non sense. The same people will complain about how many young Germans were sent to siberia and forced to work. Or clear mines in Denmark
True but he still made his point clear. The Germans respected the Geneva convention at least the Wehrmacht(vast majority of the time). The Soviet regular army didnt. Partisans don’t answer to the Geneva convention and aren’t soldiers so there’s not much you can do about it other than deport their families. Allies did the same thing
@@Wilhelmofdeseret And the french, who absolutely sucked during WWII, used the Goumiers, an "army" of North africans soldiers who commited some of the most orrendous war crimes during WWII. The Americans wanted to stop them, but someone said "You are here to fight Germans, not french".
The French did not suck in World war 2 there troops in general fought very well, Their problems in 1940 were the fault of the constant change in governments during the 1930s, those Governments preferred Commanders in Chief who left them alone and Gamelin placed his headquarters in a Chateau that had no telephone lines nor radios. he had to use motorcycle couriers to carry messages to and from his communications center some 15 minutes away.
Or trying to wake people up to a more nuanced perspective out of pure moral principle, what have they to gain from social suicide? Anyone that thinks we haven't been subjected to insane propaganda regarding this war and that we've not been told heinous lies about it is a fool. "history's nothing but a fable written by the victors" I believe Napoleon said that, he should know what he was talking about.
@@ALaKouji Yet both killed civilians. Hunted for them. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old propaganda is showcasing how badly they're brainwashed.
@@ALaKoujiyet both murdered and hunted civilians and political opposition. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old lies is showing how bad they're brainwashed. All my answers are disappearing:/
I kinda felt like the germans were making a fair, educated point until she mentioned the Netherlands and they were like oh helll yea we marched into that shit lmfao
@@aurorasdawn4681 The British and french allowed germany to take austria and czechia. They even told them that if they retreated from Poland, there would be no war. But the germans refused. Then they didn't even invade germany and just sat on their asses for 6 months. That sound to you like they wanted war?
@@adrianshephard378 That's wrong. Their demands went far beyond retreating from Poland and included the secession of Austria from Germany. I.e. reversing what Hitler considered his greatest achievement which would have to be carried out against the will of the Austrian people. Also, the French already invaded Germany in September 1939 but retreated because the Wehrmacht was ordered to retreat as well without a fight. After that, it took some time to organise the Allied troops from all over the world, deploy the British Expeditionary Force, prepare the invasion of Norway etc. They attacked once they had finished their preparations in spring 1940. You're not completely wrong though. Many allies were indeed reluctant to go to war. The British government, for example, was split almost 50/50 between pro peace/pro German voices (like Edward Wood and Neville Chamberlain) and pro war/pro Jewish voices (like Leslie Hore-Belisha, Anthony Eden and Winston Churchill). But any chance of making peace was gone when Winston Churchill came to power in May 1940 since he explicitly declared to refuse any kind of negotiations with Germany.
Thats the only thing the globalist elite understands, force, yes the nationalists lost but i tell you what...... the international elite knew they had been in a real fight when it was over.
No it was a disaster German forces lost the battle of The Hague with many losses . And when the Germans not capture the city of Rotterdam they bombed it with many losses of life.
"War has its own laws"... Very convenient to ignore when justifying your own country's behavior. Even more convenient to use when trying to criticize the Russians and justify your own "necessary" invasions.
They raped women German didn’t sure some may have but there were laws on that. Bolshevism didn’t give a fuck about right and wrong. Russian Bolshevists invaded Germany and pillaged men and woman in villages in thousands. Germany never was first to invade and offered multiple peace offering to England at the same time as well. The only issue they had was that bolshevism is a dirty evil movement for years
She didn't "out" her great uncle as a "partisan," the attack that prompted the (illegal) reprisal on civilians was committed by "partisans" (a.k.a. people against the invader of their home country). There is no indication her great uncle was anything other than a civilian in the town. Defending war crimes isn't a good look.
The killing of almost the complete male population of Putten is a well known fact of the Dutch past during WWII. The men were taken away as revenge they were not all members of the resistance. What happened was that the German officer that was killed by the resistance was laying dead on the streets close to the village. That was the only reason the Germans choose Putten. It was a matter of installing fear into the Dutch population to let let them know they were never safe and that any counterattacks would be severely punished.
@@user-kj6sm1bs9k Of course... they only fought for Hitler, I'm sure they'd have an objective view on the Wehrmacht and warcrimes... I probably don't even have to ask which type of party gets your swastika in any election.
@@evanderdelarosa462 Those "ole boys" caused a whole lot more piles of dust with their actions. Piles, more like tons upon tons of dust. "It's just history" Yeah, it clearly was just history to the woman in the video, right? What's more, it's more than just history due to the relevance it has for all these Wehraboos and full-blown Nazis here on CZcams. You don't speak out against them, you make them stronger by ignoring them. What was that quote again about evil only needing good men doing nothing against it? It's in one of the Call of Duty games, even.
@@capitaldcolon1795 She is a professor at Utrecht University at the moment. Quite a good one as well actually, specialised in terrorism, the history of securization and international relations. Did two masters and a Phd so not spoiled, hard work.
it is terrifying how propaganda can stick with some people for their entire life, although they have all the means to learn how absurd their beliefs were. This is deeply anchored Edit: Let us welcome as well our guests from the parallel universe with its alternative history in this comment section. They made all the effort to come here just to proof my point. I'm honored.
The fight against communism was all but absurd. It was completely right and whole of western Europe should thank the German soldiers for saving them from this evil ideology.
And what a future they made for us. Things have definitely never been better in Europe and the US - for bankers, bureaucrats, immigrants and foreigners that is.
technically in the case of the West it was actually the losers who wrote history because it was Wehrmact testimonies that made up the basis of American history of the Eastern Front until the collapse of the USSR.
„The winners write history“ is a fairy tale told by those who try to whitewash history. You know who really writes history? Historians write history and they do so based on facts. War crimes are not for the side that lost, but for the side that committed them and from a war of aggression, over the killing of non-combatants to a flat out war of extermination, Germany and the german army committed quite a number of atrocities.
@@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN Damn I don’t know where you live, but things are definitely way better here in Bavaria know, than they were when the nazis ruled. If I have to choose between bankers, bureaucrats, immigrants and foreigners one the one hand and nazis on the other, then I‘m going for the first option. And i‘m living in one of the few places, where the nazis actually did something for people and besides killing a bunch of innocents. Oh wait, they did that here as well.
Totally bro commit genocide against millions of fucking people is just for the side that lost grrr evil allies for stopping the fucking naiz's and making ideological enemies allies. Like how the fuck do you make the USSR look like a good guy. You be Nazi Germany that's how of course! God it's people like you that make me fucking wish that you had the ability to critically think and not just go hrrr durrr BUT DEY ALLIES TOO????? The allies did not actively commit a genocide against millions of people. And start a war killing millions more.
This is what Finnish veterans always say. They protected the Nordic countries against the soviets all alone. Finland was the only German ally that wasnt conquered.
Finland did pretty well for themselves and managed to survive the winter war, allying with their Germans, and then still keeping the Soviets from taking too much of their land or occupying them. Mannerheim and Rytti had to make tough decisions but what they did was for the good of the Finnish people. Still think it’s funny that in one talk, Mannerheim smoked in Hitler’s face; being an aristocrat he saw Hitler as some devil upstart.
Finland has been let down by the rest of Europe. Perhaps because they couldn't make a commitment, or didn't want to argue with Russia at the time, which they hoped to make an ally. Germany was an aggressor, but Russia had already set its eyes on Finland and Northern Europe. The tensions were there much earlier. Finland protected itself and they were brave people.
@@Salsadans123 Even as a non nazi sympathizer, you can`t deny that germany saved europe from the soviet union. Obviously with their own interests in mind and not out of pure protectionism but still. Without germany the warswa pact would have ended with spain.
My grand- grand fathers both fought for the Wehrmacht, one of them was deployed in Africa and the other one was part of the Barbarossa operation ( invasion of USSR) where he sadly died in a bomb attack. The other one who was deployed in Africa nearly died as well because he got a death sentence because he refused to fight but this sentence got dismissed later on because he was a good blacksmith and he was a good use for them to mentain weapons and such.
But in reality, IF it was only about Bolshevism then they wouldn't have done everything else 🤦♂️ If they were ONLY trying to stop the spread of communism then they could've easily negotiated deals and alliances with France, UK, USA, and all of the rest of anti-communist Europe. But because it was never just about stopping the USSR and communism, they didn't. Their argument makes sense... until you consider EVERYTHING ELSE they did.
@@tobyalder42 Why should they be sorry for fighting as commanded, and in a mostly civilized manner against Anglo-American forces? Our own ground troops were mostly civilized in return.
@@Morrigi192 Because they fought for Hitler and the Nazi regime, have you heard about that? Because their fight led to the occupation of their country? Bombing cities has nothing to do with "mostly civilized manner".
My father was a Wehrmacht Veteran of the Eastern Front. He survived the Battle of Kursk. He'd had told you pretty much the same thing if he were alive today.
This is why I have zero sympathy for Germany as a whole from that generation. This is how they felt, my grandfather was at the Battle of the Bulge, he said most felt just like this. I’ll take his word over theirs.
@@lifefordummies I actually found out further down in the comments: it's called "On the Threshold of Oblivion" and is available for rent on Vimeo. I highly recommend it.
@@NorthernWolf910 Your English teacher was incompetent, then. "It's" with an apostrophe is a contraction of "It is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun.
2:27 I bet that Guy wanted to say "Ausschreitungen von einzelnen Soldaten hat es gegeben, aber nicht in diesem großen Maße" "Incidents from some German Wehrmachtsoldiers happend but not in this dimensions"
@@14Hans88 thanks, but I hope you have to pay some day for your beliefs as well. your name says it all. I despise you, I bet you're not even German, are ya?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putten_raid en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Christiansen The raid on Putten was ordered by Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Friedrich Christiansen. In response to attacks by the Dutch Resistance, he ordered reprisals against Dutch civilians such as the Putten raid. He was also responsible for the Dutch famine of 1944-1945 that resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians after ordering an embargo on all food transports to the western Netherlands. After the war, Christiansen was arrested and convicted of war crimes.
Americans don't have the consept of the nation nor the motherland. In most other parts of the world, people go to war to defend their countries, wives and children. There're no such politics more important than your motherland and your family. At least that's what is most important for me or someone who is not American.
@@efe9625 BULLSHIT - what tree did you fall out of, Efe? Must have hit your head VERY hard and can’t think straight anymore. Get yourself off to a brain doctor, you need a lot of help.
When I was a senior in high school (USA, 1995-96) my Geometry teacher was from Austria and fought for the Reich. Every Friday after our test, he would tell us stories about the war from the German side. I only remember how emotional everyone got and how much we enjoyed the stories. Unfortunately, I can't remember any specifics of what he told us. He was a wonderful teacher though, and the best math teacher I ever had. He called our homework "Your entertainment for this evening." Most students nicknamed him "Grandpa Schwarzenegger," because of his accent.
In the early to mid 1990's I met my extended born German family members and a few WW II veterans. Other than the shakes you can get from old age, they all had shell shock.
Aeschylus.....In War the first casualty is the truth.......Senator Hiram Johnson is credited with the more modernized...Truth is the first casualty in War
The Chinese and Japanese veterans are still arguing about what happened during WWII in Asia. War is hell, and it is initiated by a few and suffered by many.
The winner can dictate to the world what is written in history books and what isn't. And they can of course blame the defeated party, claiming they were "innocent" themselves. Just look at the bloodthirsty history of the British and the Americans and their Communist dictator friends, and you'll see how "Innocent" they are. Lol Allies are warmongers and liars.
@Osas Saso Take it easy and relax. Internet can be traced back to 1960's, and later on Bill Gate, Steve Jobs, - - - , etc. and many talented scientists and Engineers all contributed to the success of its worldwide applications. It is a powerful tool thanks to those western allied countries who made it happened.
they were somewhat "allies" at the beginning and the Soviets even had the Germans test their military tech in Russia to avoid detection from the Western countries. All before the war broke out of course.
It wasn't. F-34 gun was designed in Gorky design biro. There were also normal optical sights installed, not a bad one too. 1500m was pretty hefty effective range for a gun of that era. He made up story from a whole cloth, like a used car salesman.
@@CirKhan The Germans were also never making first round hits at ranges like that. Nobody was during WW2 with tanks consistently. As you said, total fabrication. I'm sure there were some German manufactured cannons somewhere in the Soviet Union, but not tens of thousands of them arming every Soviet tank.
This whole conversations is really eerie and chilling. The comment section is truly something else. It also made me think about how when you're taught about WW2 and the rise to power of the nazis, it all sounds like this grand and sudden event, and yet, the situation we're in doesn't seem all that different than the 30s upon some consideration. But yeah, going back to the conversation; a lot of people in the comments seem to praise these men for how eloquent they are, but their rhetoric is just pathetic; sure, an interesting historical document, but what they are saying is so awful, what makes it digestible and for some even appealing, is the context and their manners. When I got to the end, I felt the need to give that woman a hug, what a disturbing situation
@@evs251 @evs251 Did I say that? No. I didn't. I said "whole conversation", not a specific statement. If that's what you understood, you might as well have asked me if the fact that the lady is from Putten is eerie.
They should have asked permission, it's obvious they wouldn't have received it but the gesture would have gone a long way with average Dutch people and as a consequence could have recruited far more Dutch people to help them in the east.
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng read full history about Indonesian history. How Netherland came into southeast asia. I think you still don't know/understand about Indonesian and southeast asian history
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng really? Your vision about Indonesia being better if it had remained a dutch colony indicating how little you know about the history. At first, VOC is the one who run the entire thing, it means all its purpose is just to have wealth as much as they could. One of obvious thing is : Indonesian education during netherland era was so bad, so many workforce, slavery, etc. Meanwhile, when England colonized a country, they educate the people, giving them a better chance. Then i'm taking your first comment, just to clarify, Indonesia only allied with Japan in the first arrival of Japan in Indonesia. Before that, there were a lot of resistance done by Indonesians. Indonesian allied with Japanese just because Indonesia don't have much choice knowing the netherland had a better technology. Indonesia declared its independence alone without support from both Japan and Netherland (Japan forbade the declaration of independence). And fight the invading netherland without Japan. So what is your extensive knowledge about?
Dutch soldier when my country(dutch colonies back then and now indonesia) invade by them again ,they force women to be they're wife because they not had any women or far from netherland.Still no one put them in jail ,there is some incident i sulawesi ,around 45.000 men killed by the dutch ,well i belive if dutch still in they're colonies ,there will be a racial problem and communism will easy take over all the east asia because they want to kick out imperialism such as dutch.
Many of them after the war supported the Soviet Union over the US as they believed liberalism and not Marxism-Leninism would be the downfall of Europe, how right they were.
@@unclejoeoakland waaaay less pithy though. One also need to express that. But I appreciate this comment a lot more than the one where the silly moo was telling me the "laws in Brussels are not the same as in Cicero" or something to that effect... Gotta love the internet, eh
@@yummydragon8533 Yeah, true. I guess it wouldn't be fair to murder countless German civilians in the Danzig massacres nor to deliberately starve to death 1 million axis POWs in Eisenhower's Rhine Meadow's death camps and it certainly wasn't fair to expel 16 million German civilians from their homes in the East - the majority of which never arrived at their destination.
They seemed so worried about following the Geneva convention but when confronted at the end about invading another sovereign country suddenly “War has its own rules”.
There were hundreds of thousands of Russians fighting with Germany against bolshevism too. They were naïve not to realise average Russians would have saw it as an invasion of their home
@@whomstdvent4844 You're naive for assuming that the Germans weren't just using them as expendable bodies. It's well known they weren't fans of Slavs. Many crimes would have been committed in eastern Europe even if the Russians were communist.
@@radacious29 I'm not denying that, only the 3rd wave of the Waffen-SS viewed Russians and Slavs as equal, most high ranking Germans despised Slavs and Russia. I'm saying that to not expect resistance to an invasion of their homeland was naïve, as if magically they were going to denounce bolshevism and throw flowers at their feet like they did in Ukraine.
@@whomstdvent4844 There weren't nowhere near "hundreds of thousands of Russians" among German ranks. It's questionable if there were any at all. Quit selling this narrative that Barbarossa was some liberation of the Slavic people from communism. The Nazis hated Slavs and planned to eradicate and enslave them (Generalplan Ost).
Patton and Churchill were strong advocates of the immediate rearmament the German people. They had a devastated population, but the German experience of fighting the Soviets was seen as an invaluable asset. Both Churchill and Patton agreed, after Germany surrendered, the time was perfect to press into the USSR and end Stalinism, German advisors being critical to that effort. The human race almost became endangered, possibly extinct if the Cuban missile crises had gone the other way, luckily it didn’t. Patton was assasinated, Churchill was forced out of office.
"It's said that in the first week after they (Soviets) took Berlin all women who ran were shot and those who didn't were raped.I could have taken it if I had been allowed." General Patton.
@@wewillovercome2133 Exactly, and when you say this people think it is a conspiracy. You can see it's affects on America today with the rise of Bolshevism and Marxism.
@@wewillovercome2133 In May 1945, General Eisenhower (who had publicly promised to abide by the Geneva Convention)illegally forbade German civilians to take food to prisoners starving to death in American camps.He threatened the death penalty for anyone found feeding the prisoners.
there is no punishment for the Germans for raped and killed soviet girls on eastern front.According to user @Heinisauerkraut said: My Grandpa was a military pastor with a rank of a major in the German Wehrmacht . Then | was a young boy ( about 1980 , I was 10 ) he took me and my older brother hiking , because he mapped wild graves of unknown soldiers who were fallen in the last days of the war , mostly from strafing fighter planes . He organized that they were put in proper graves in local graveyards and was later honored for this work . There he told us many stories about the war , especially in the east . Until almost the end of the war he had no own front line experience , but many soldiers came to him to confess their own experience to get some relive from the horrible things they saw or did . It took some years to really understand the things he told us . He told us , that the main difference between the campaign in France was , that you were at risk to get court martialled and shot if you stole only a chicken . In Russia you could steal , rape and murder without any punishment , because of the Führerbefehl . He told us , that most soldiers wouldn't have done it normally , but they almost did never anything against these crimes , and sometimes they helped or even joined , because of peer pressure . Some commanders forbade their soldiers to rape and kill civilians , but the only thing they could do was to put these soldiers into other units . And even the commanders who acted against rapes and murders , allowed or even encouraged to confiscate any food from the civilian population , so that they were condemned to starve to death . The result was almost the same in the end . He told us , which is now in accordance to my own experience , that were are only a few people are really evil , but on the other side there are also only a few people morally good . Most people are opportunists , and they act according to the circumstances , and if the circumstances allowing to do otherwise socially unacceptable acts , they will do it , if they get an advantage from that . So my Grandpa really know about the crimes on the eastern front , and because of that he tried not to get in soviet captivity . 1945 he was on leave at home south of Frankfurt , then he decided to dessert and hide in the woods . A thing he only told his children and later his grandchildren , and did not even write in his own memoirs . That is telling something about the German mindset , even long after the war . It was counted as more shameful to desert your unit , than to obey orders from a criminal regime . The military police told my grandmother , that if he returns he wont be shot , and in the end the pressure on was to high , and he surrendered two weeks before the Americans occupied his viage . He was court martialled ,degraded to the lowest rank and put into a penal battalion . His unit stand against the " Russians " in the area around Berlin . The Russians used loud speakers to demand the surrender , and after that someone in the unit shot the commanding officer , and the whole unit surrendered without a fight . My Grandpa was at this time quite sick from his time in the woods , and then they were inspected by a soviet female doctor , she asked him if he has children . He answered correctly that he has 8 children and showed photos of them . After that he got his release papers , and was allowed to go home . So in a lucky twist of fate , he survived his short time as soviet POW . If he were captured as military pastor in a rank of major , his fate would have been for sure much darker . I am very thankful for that experience with my grandfather . But even for me , it took some time , to remember the stories of my grandpa , then in the late 80's the discussion about the crimes of the Wehrmacht came up . This was the first time realized the full weight of the information in my head . Maybe it was so convenient to blame the SS and other nazi party organisations for all the bad things happened in the war
I rather fight these guys than the Japanese. At least you could surrender to the Germans and live to tell about it after the war. They didn't starve our POW 's to death and forced them on any "Bataan death marches" like the Japanese did. I have respect for the German soldiers none for the Japanese.
The Japanese atrocities propaganda is so hilarious, a group of small hats make sci-fi movies like "Schindler's list" and "Man behind the sun" and now we have npc's taking it as reality... Apparently 99% of people watch Hollywood movies and go like "yeah, that must have happened exactly like this" MOVIES ARE NOT REALITY, THEY ARE MADE BY HISTORICAL LIARS WITH SMALL HATS, WAKE UP
It depends on who you are, if you were British or American you would get treated much better by the Germans, however if you were Russian or a guerrilla fighter in a slavic country, you are probably better of dying than getting captured alive. The Japanese really didn't care and treated everyone equally terrible, and consequently they received what was coming to them
@@user-gj5mz4xo3o Japan atrocities propaganda is so hilariously stupid, if the small hats tell you that Germans created soap bars out of humans will you believe that as well? Damn you are duuuuuumb
@@theoderich1168 it’s something I personally couldn’t fathom. Europe during the war . Makes problems/events that have happened in recent decades look microscopic
@@JoboMcFakeAF you are absolutely right, it takes a lot of courage. I have been trying to imagine what it must have been like to have lived in those days - it is almost impossible. Already as a kid I have been interested in ww2, in Germany it is present all the time and still almost no one I knew spoke about it. My mother never spoke about her father who died at the front in Holland in 1944, that did not make things better for the younger folks living with a taboo they could not grasp.
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." Winston Churchill - Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145
I give this crazy piece of a shit state of the current world about 10 years and this will happen again. Ironically the people who suffered the most from this war are also the people who constantly line up the world for conflict.
My grandfather on my mother's side was a Scotsman who fought for Australia's 2/28 th and was captured by Rommels forces at Tobruk. He was well treated by the Germans and spoke highly of Rommel.
My father was deported from Holland traveling by cattle wagon to Germany. Slight issue was he was born in Hamburg but his father was Dutch. His mother moved to Holland when he was six so he was considered legally Dutch. He had a few stories to tell but also one's of the positive side of human nature while a prisoner also, including a German guard that refused to carry a firearm and their being allowed to raid a railway yard for coal for their stove, he reckoned the German guards just looked the other way. His older brother once they clued up to his heritage was 'invited' to join the army on the Eastern front. Taken prisoner he managed an escape with a group and were successful. They had learnt that their life expectancy was not long. Later he was again a POW of the British, I think? But escaped again.
@@dibaldgyfm9933 That's a good comment, they were. Interestingly they had another brother that never saw conflict till after the war. He was drafted into the Dutch Imperial Army, he caused so much trouble that those senior to him addressed him as 'Mr Hart', and ask him if he wanted to what ever task was at hand, he would apparently normally decline. My father said his brother was invited to join MENSA so I think he used his smarts to get his own way.
my grandpa whom i didnt get to meet as he passed before i was born was in holland as well, were deutch, he was like your uncle 'invited' to join the military. He ended up in a resistance group that would smuggle american and allied pilots who were shot down and survived back to friendly lines. He was caught with an american pilot i believe and was sent to a concentration camp. He had some gnarly scars on his neck from a experiment they did on him there. He told my mom about how they would have hidden pockets in their coats to try to smuggle food back to their family, he got caught with a thing of milk and they poured it out in front of him. Ultimately he was liberated when the camp was bombed if i recall correctly either that or allied troops jsut showed up and he was able to escape in the fighting. He came to america afterward but i still have a lot of family in Holland and Poland. We still have a old nazi trench coat he took off a dead soldier
It such a refreshing change NOT to hear "we were just following orders." Its important to show this film because it is truth, how many Germans thought in the post war world. This is important for remembering real history in the future.
@@brettm7345 you know what you're right, I was conditioned to believe I don't deserve to die because I'm not white. It's all because I was conditioned that I considered this wrong.
yea I think it’s important we not hear excuses and lies that make all these soldiers seem innocent, when in reality many held the same beliefs as schmitler
@@MC32595 thats fucking bullshit the wehrmacht was 18 million men strong most of them were between 17 and 25 years old which means that most couldnt have possibly voted for adolf hitler in the first place ( who by the way only very closely wont the election ) they were soldiers who had a job to do thats it
Honestly, they regretted that they lost. IF they won, History would be different today. We probably might not have communist Cold War but some other things. IDK but for sure it would be different.
In a way, I felt sorry for her. After being told by a German WW2 veteran, "War has its own laws". He walk away but turned around and gently patted her on the back.
They tried to quote international laws to defend themselves. And when they couldn't, they said "War has its own laws". Those people believed they did nothing wrong till the day they died.
"The good guys will always be seen as the bad guys and the bad guys will always be seen as heroes" Example, people hating on the US for being "Imperialists" and people believing in communism.
@Dogu Kilickap Communism is the bad guy, but always seen as good guys, I can easily ask anyone about what he thinks about the bolshevik trash, and they'll actually talk good about them, meanwhile if I talk about what they think about America, they'll say it's imperialistic, trashy and stinky.
TurnOffThe Talmudvision Don’t forget that they also ignored the Soviet occupation of Poland AFTER the war was over. Defense of Poland was only ever an excuse
Kind of reminds me of the saying 'war doesn't determine who is right, only who is left' (alive).All sides used propaganda and it's entirely possible these German soldiers were fighting in their various units, theatres and experiences and never saw any war crimes. It's also possible they were brainwashed or did see such atrocities. Remember, the war involved literally millions of people from all over the world and each person who participated, lived and even died had their own individual story. It's important to study history so the same mistakes are not made again but in saying that, you also need to use caution when applying perspective to how you view history especially with those who lived, breathed and experienced it firsthand.
Britian killed around 10 million indians during world war 2. France killed around 3 million Algerians and 2 Million Moroccans. But they dont teach this in schools. They brainwashed everyone thinking only germany committed genocides.
@@speartongamer6080 first, the number is debatable, second that conflict was for a period of more than 10 years... every single country has committed atrocities towards others
Don't got any German relatives, but my great uncle is a Ukrainian volunteered for them when they were invaded. Bolsheviks killed most of his family in the interwar period and hatred for them and a lust for revenge is really all that was driving him at that point in his life, so he joined the German invasion, and never had any regrets for it.
Yeah, many Ukraines received the Germans as liberators and stuff but as soon as they realized what Nazis really wanted to do there (mass executions of civilians, whole cities burned to the ground, mass starvations , mass rapes) they joined the Partisans and the Red Army en masse. Yeah, a psychopath like Stalin was actually better than Nazi rule. You know Nazis had plans to exterminate 50% of Ukrainian population, don’t you? If you really think Ukraine would be better under Nazi rule, you are dreaming. As for your grandfather (collaboration with people who wanted to exterminate his own) the Nazis considered the their local collaborators inferior. Heydrich even had this written. The Slavs closer to Aryans were those fighting and resisting against the Germans. Collaborators were considered the lowest scum from the scum. Maybe your grandfather wasn’t like this, but collaborators took part in the mass murder of civilians, including very young children.
@@alisp.4384 Well, you must keep in mind people then and there didn't have 75 years of information to look back through as it was unfolding, and most of what we know of what occurred in (what would become) the Eastern Bloc nations/SSRs is based off Soviet records as the West was not allowed to investigate. With that in mind, I'll tell you what I was told. My great uncle lived is a smaller village in the Rivne Oblast, the Germans would eventually reach it, after reaching it he witnessed no rape, the town wasn't razed, and none of the civilians were killed. Resources, however, were seized. At the time there were no actual Soviet military in the town so the Germans sort of just walked in (for lack of a better term). I think it's safe to assume, whatever a Nazi party member was plotting back in Berlin, the Wehrmacht that entered the town was completely unaware of, so to my great uncle there appeared to be no ill intent. The Germans lifted the restrictions on religion the Soviets imposed, and it was not long after he volunteered since the Germans were taking them. He was aware the Germans were not saints by any means, but he maintained a "better them than the reds" attitude. He never personally witnessed any of the atrocities often cited with the exception of Soviet POWs being executed (which didn't bother him), most of his time was either laboring or fighting the Red Army. He never had any dealings with the SS (or any that he spoke of anyway) though. So, stop and think for one moment. A brutal regime kills most of your family and starves your people, then another brutal regime comes, but doesn't seem _as_ brutal (there was no internet, or phone, or TV, or w/e people today take for granted to know what happened in Poland), and the soldiers have not personally mistreated you or your neighbors. So who do you side with? The regime that killed your family and starved your people? Or the regime that is killing them? I can only assume it was a no brainer. You are not going to gaslight me in to thinking my great uncle was a bad man because he sided with "muh nahtzees!". War isn't black and white.
@@SilencedReflex I know he remained in Ukraine for most of his life, I always assumed he kept the fact he defected a secret, as he would have been imprisoned at least, but most likely executed, had the state known. He's been dead for about two decades now so I can't ask for details.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark First of all, that is not what “gaslight” mean. Look up what it really is. Second, don’t be so naive. Your great-uncle was a collaborator. What the Nazis (and this includes Wehrmacht) did in Eastern Front was brutal. What I told you wasn’t taken from Soviet books, but from Western books and papers peer reviewed and published with first hand witnesses accounts and revised numbers. It took decades for the US to take a look at the Eastern Front, since many the crimes were committed not by SS, but Wehrmacht and the politics at the time was the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth. The Nazi plans for Ukraine (at least 50% of the population murdered by mass starvation) was taken from German records . The Nazi hated the Slavs and considered them sub-human, not much better than the Jews. But you’re right. At first the German just walked into villages, taking some of the food , chatting with the locals, being received as liberators. At first. Ukraine was one of the countries who suffered one of the greatest civilian losses, massacres, atrocities, (together with Poland, Belarus and Russian). Do you really think your great-uncle would admit any of of this, to his own family, including his young nephew the atrocities that happened during the war? I find it very hard to believed he didn’t even heard what was happening. I just told you collaborators took part in many of these atrocities. I’m not saying your uncle did those things, but he certainly wouldn’t say to his own family all that he witnessed. Soldiers rarely talk to their family the things they witnessed, much less did, during the war. I’ve watched an interview with a German Wehrmacht soldier who told the interviewer he took forty year to admit to his family what he had witnessed in the Eastern Front. He didn’t even told the interviewer what he did witnessed, but his lips were trembling , he was stuttering and almost crying just remembering it. I’m not saying your uncle was a bad man, maybe he was in denial. War do terrible things to people. But there no heroes here.
Urss ACTUALLY WON the cold war later...i mean their idea today is carried on by the Chinese. The marxists won. If you are in th west today look around you. Only a blind man cant see that they won.
@@AK-vs9nr They didn't really win, they managed to infiltrate academia because the population became pinkos. It'll probably kill the USA but that doesn't mean the west will fall, a lot of countries are turning away from the poison in the last few years.
The narcissist's prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not our fault. And if it was, we didn't mean it. And if we did, you deserved it.
@Real Man Die Another edgelord. Have you ever genuinely considered the fact that you might not have the best ideas if your thought process just boils down to "genuinely support the bad argument for the meme"?
@Real Man Die I'd be angrier if they invaded my country. Don't invade, and you won't get blown to pieces by partisans. They were justified. The Wehrmacht was not. Should have stayed home.
Yeah the problem is not that one guy there was defending Hitler and spewing textbook Nazi propaganda about the biggest mass murdering in human history, it would only be problematic if he shouted...
No it didn't; it was a very clear choice. You either participated in the war crimes, or you didn't. Obviously these men could care less how many civilians they murdered on their way into and out of the Soviet Union.
Imagine being a Jewish heritage German soldier. Someone who trained and believed in the glory of Germany and the expression of her values after proving your metal as a boy in the Great War. Must've sucked balls
@@marcuspoosz2190 Yeah that's not an excuse at all. Getting a transfer to the police battalions and Einsatzgruppen was voluntary, and executing civilians isn't war. It's a war crime. We tried, convicted, and executed the officers that ordered it.
They're still waiting for Steiner's counter attack
underrated comment lol
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Corporal Steiner didnt care about his cross of iron.
"I understood that reference..."
"what do you mean Steiner's counter attack couldn't make it?"
Many German veterans only regretted one thing about World War Two. They regretted that they lost.
Same with Japanese vets
I mean look at the world now. The degeneracy. Marxism. Global capitalism. It kind of is regrettable they lost.
we regret it too
They should regret the war crimes thay they did commit and the jews they killed.
@@patrickgrant6389 They’re even worse.
This illustrates how Germans have mastered sarcasm. "That's right...we marched in without asking permission"
That aint sarcasm. Its real talk
@@joaquinvelazquez4710 I know it's real talk. They were ordered to march in, but there's sarcasm in "...we matched in without asking permission"
@@raptor96 its actually a more thought-through response as it might seem at first since the German government set an ultimatum for the dutch government to allow German troops to secure the borders from allied landings which wasnt met (in time) and resulted in the Netherlands being occupied.
@@imGeistevereint its not really that deep. The old men whined and complained about how their people were brutalised yet made fun of the people who they themselves brutalised
@@sarubet8725 Maybe if you could understand German then you could actually understand the tone he was speaking in. Some words aren't translated as they should be iether and lead to a false image in your imagination
"German soldiers didn't do that. If they did, they were sent to the Strafbataillon"
Meanwhile in the Strafbataillon:
That's what I was thinking.
Germans barely did this even if it happened, Americans were far worst more than 1M rape just in France.... and so were the Russians...
what happened in the Strafbataillon?
@@omicrontheta38 Watch the movie "Come And See"
@@omicrontheta38 riggity rape
It's so weird to see a internet argument take place in real life.
I wonder what emoji could be used for the face on her at the end!
Especially for being filmed in looks like the early 80'z
Internet arguments are real life too you know
Oops.Amit is working overtime🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure you'll find many internet arguments down here.
"U guys invade Netherlands."
The old folks reply with sincere smile: "we marched in without permission"
Those men really dgaf 😂
You killed million innocents.
We took their life without permission.
@@jake.s7065 yeah, took me a second to realise.
Because we Britain declared war so they had no choice but to remove the threat from the west which included passing through the Netherlands to do that.
@@jake.s7065 Yet we didn't declare war on the Soviet Union who invaded our supposed ally in 1939 or 1945 when they refused to give it up.
As much as I respect them, it's pretty stupid saying "Geneva convention, Strafbattalion, etc." and two minutes later "war has no laws".
Better to say "the Dutch were allied with the British so they'd invaded from there" or some logical argument rather than contradict themselves
I think you misread the translation. He said, "War has its own laws". Was it against the law to invade a country without a declaration of war back then?
they are neurotics. it's when the child is traumatized to be perfect, can't deal with being wrong, mistaken, fooled, deceived.
this results in compulsive lying and contradicting actions and speech. they're quite simply functionally insane.
I don't respect them or you because it's all bullshit. Not only did Germany start the war, the Netherlands and Belgium also weren't allied with France and Britain. Belgium had even denied French requests at fortifying against Germany pointing at their neutrality. Invading a neutral country was simply a tool towards finishing off the aggressive war.
1. Yes, in order to invade a country “legally” you’d wanna declare war.
2. The Dutch were not allied to the British in either World War, they were neutral until the invasion in 1940
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Well, yeah, that's why there's such a thing of "declaration of war" to begin with. Theoretically it must go through a certain diplomatic procedure.
“That’s right, we marched in.” 💀
@@paulmonn7988 Not a comparison.
@@paulmonn7988 We don't care about your opinion Mohamed, it doesn't have anything to do with WWII.
@@paulmonn7988 damn you guys wanna talk gaza everywhere right
Where were you during the syrian war? Where were you when the muslim minority in China is being killed in camps? Where were you during all the other endless conflicts in the middle east and in africa? (too many to count)
You were nowhere. Now shut your mouth. Go figure
"Bland statement" -skull emoji-
It's like you zoomers operate off a script.
@@SkeletonXin sounds like u a gay.
Ordinary Soldier: I fought against the Russians
Woke Soldier: I fought against *bolschevismus*
@HITLERDIDNOTHINGWRONG care to explain?
Warning this comment is somewhat long, if you don't like context and analogies of Historical Significance from a historian of 12 years study/work, stop reading now:
Imagine you have two sworn enemies named Fasces and Comisky, Fasces strikes Comisky first and you see this as a grand oppurtunity for a temporary alliance against Fasces, and eventually you defeat Fasces with Comisky. But now Comisky is stronger than before and threatens and fights you while Fasces with sad amusement tells you how you chose the wrong enemy to ally yourself with. Comisky is worse than Fasces tenfold. I gave the best example of how communism came on the rise as an increased World Power. You think the Holocaust was bad? The Gulags make the concentration camps look like Camp Green Lake. America chose the worst of the enemies it faced to ally itself with. And look at us now as Americans, literal self neutering, self hatred, illogical hatred towards each other, acceptance of sexualization of children, inflation, crippling debt....all because we chose Comisky over Fasces. Comisky took over the schools to "educate" us on his agenda, and a lot of us Americans are getting fucked over by these "Educated" people because Comisky knew that he couldn't face America without heavy losses and/or defeat. Subjugate and indoctrinate the young to tear the country from the inside before invading it, because we all know that invading a country unites its people, but break the people before invasion and you have won without setting a single troop on the beaches. Not saying Fascism is better than Communism, just merely stating that Hitler had 0 interest to fight a pacifist country (America) and if Imperialism did not attack Pearl Harbor and relinquished their territorial gains, Germany and Russia would have torn each other apart, most likely Germany would have lost still, but Russia would have no power left to hold the vast territories it had held pre Cold War, therefore Communist dominance in Eastern Europe would not exist and communism would have fallen like the Russian Empire after the string of failures and losses fell on Ioseb Jugashvili (Joseph Stalin) like they had on Czar Nicholas II. In an ideal world that would've happened.
Scumbag liars.
Those "Boslheviks" they were "fighting" were all in labor camps and jailed for crimes. And they started their career by German industrialists sponsoring them and hauling gold for Jewish and other mercenaries in St. Petersburg.
Lenin got caught with documents that clearly show that he was an agent of German intelligence.
All of Europe united to battle Bolshevism, the Indians and Arabs included. The European Volunteer Movement.
Besides that, even before the war, National Socialism was like a renaissance across Europe, and many nations formed similar movements analogous to Hitler's. It was the natural human progression, and a new Europe was forming! Unfortunately, the opposite powers were too powerful and too cunning to allow this transformation to occur.
Bolshevism exists today now its technology . Bolshevism is anything that destroys
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bro she is just standing there, stunned... completely unable to process the moment...
@@Vifnis She was too stunned to speak, it appears
@@Vifnis f*id stunned from facts and logic. Many such cases.
@@Vifnis yeah cuz they are saying non sense. The same people will complain about how many young Germans were sent to siberia and forced to work. Or clear mines in Denmark
Now we see from how arrogant the Germans are, that those treatments from the soviets were deserved
Wermaht killed 100 Serbians for every 1 killed on their side...
Beginning: Soviets sucked because they didn't respect the laws of war.
Ending: "War has its own laws"
True but he still made his point clear. The Germans respected the Geneva convention at least the Wehrmacht(vast majority of the time). The Soviet regular army didnt. Partisans don’t answer to the Geneva convention and aren’t soldiers so there’s not much you can do about it other than deport their families. Allies did the same thing
Aye, and the soviet didn't respect those laws
@@Wilhelmofdeseret And the french, who absolutely sucked during WWII, used the Goumiers, an "army" of North africans soldiers who commited some of the most orrendous war crimes during WWII. The Americans wanted to stop them, but someone said "You are here to fight Germans, not french".
@@Wilhelmofdeseret The Germans did not respect the Geneva convention, the Wehrmacht was complicit in most of the atrocities in the east.
The French did not suck in World war 2 there troops in general fought very well, Their problems in 1940 were the fault of the constant change in governments during the 1930s, those Governments preferred Commanders in Chief who left them alone and Gamelin placed his headquarters in a Chateau that had no telephone lines nor radios. he had to use motorcycle couriers to carry messages to and from his communications center some 15 minutes away.
"War has its own laws," is one of the most chilling statements I have ever heard...and been true.
Like a fraudulent election then
"The most dangerous thing in war is a pissed-off eighteen-year-old with a rifle." - Anon
Wrong. Killing civilians because they are Jews is NOT a rule of war. And people like you who try to rationalize it should be ashamed of themselves.
@@alienlife7754 Has someone claimed otherwise? You are the kind of people who should shut up, or educate yourselves.
Yep
They're not telling you these excuses, they are telling themselves
Absolutely
''They'' are your betters,
Oh chosen monkey
Or trying to wake people up to a more nuanced perspective out of pure moral principle, what have they to gain from social suicide?
Anyone that thinks we haven't been subjected to insane propaganda regarding this war and that we've not been told heinous lies about it is a fool.
"history's nothing but a fable written by the victors" I believe Napoleon said that, he should know what he was talking about.
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When the argument is that "it was not the army it was the police ". Like "no we had other people doing that, another Department
He did make a fair point, police and the army are two totally different things with different abilities and rules
@@ALaKouji Then you got the Nazi.
Probably wasn't the Nazis, otherwise the girl would have mentioned that.
@@ALaKouji Yet both killed civilians. Hunted for them. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old propaganda is showcasing how badly they're brainwashed.
@@ALaKoujiyet both murdered and hunted civilians and political opposition. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old lies is showing how bad they're brainwashed. All my answers are disappearing:/
I’ve always wondered what the old timers in Germany thought of the war.Very interesting.
I kinda felt like the germans were making a fair, educated point until she mentioned the Netherlands and they were like oh helll yea we marched into that shit lmfao
Absolute madlads
@@aurorasdawn4681 The British and french allowed germany to take austria and czechia. They even told them that if they retreated from Poland, there would be no war. But the germans refused. Then they didn't even invade germany and just sat on their asses for 6 months. That sound to you like they wanted war?
@@adrianshephard378 That's wrong. Their demands went far beyond retreating from Poland and included the secession of Austria from Germany. I.e. reversing what Hitler considered his greatest achievement which would have to be carried out against the will of the Austrian people.
Also, the French already invaded Germany in September 1939 but retreated because the Wehrmacht was ordered to retreat as well without a fight. After that, it took some time to organise the Allied troops from all over the world, deploy the British Expeditionary Force, prepare the invasion of Norway etc. They attacked once they had finished their preparations in spring 1940.
You're not completely wrong though. Many allies were indeed reluctant to go to war. The British government, for example, was split almost 50/50 between pro peace/pro German voices (like Edward Wood and Neville Chamberlain) and pro war/pro Jewish voices (like Leslie Hore-Belisha, Anthony Eden and Winston Churchill). But any chance of making peace was gone when Winston Churchill came to power in May 1940 since he explicitly declared to refuse any kind of negotiations with Germany.
@@adrianshephard378 churchill denied a half dozen peace offers from hitler
@@aurorasdawn4681 shhh that's too red pilled for most leftists in this comment section...
Hahaha “that’s right, we just marched in. “ Savage.
Serves that girl right. She has no business commenting on something that happened before her lifetime.
Thats the only thing the globalist elite understands, force, yes the nationalists lost but i tell you what...... the international elite knew they had been in a real fight when it was over.
@@DaleTuck31 That'll teach her to complain about the invasion of her country! Now let me complain about the Russian invasion of my country . . .
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No it was a disaster German forces lost the battle of The Hague with many losses . And when the Germans not capture the city of Rotterdam they bombed it with many losses of life.
'Defended our country and Europe against bolshevism' is the most wild example of copium I've ever heard
If Blazkowicz could see what his country looks like today, he would have joined the Germans
You mean, because it ended up winning anyhow, and we now live in a society of Neo-marxist bullshit?
"War has its own laws"... Very convenient to ignore when justifying your own country's behavior. Even more convenient to use when trying to criticize the Russians and justify your own "necessary" invasions.
They raped women German didn’t sure some may have but there were laws on that. Bolshevism didn’t give a fuck about right and wrong. Russian Bolshevists invaded Germany and pillaged men and woman in villages in thousands. Germany never was first to invade and offered multiple peace offering to England at the same time as well. The only issue they had was that bolshevism is a dirty evil movement for years
The purest hypocrisy!
@@lukeskywalker6985 The human mind does amazing things to avoid admitting it can be a monster.
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The germans had probably the best conduct of warfare in the entire war. tf you talking abt?
That is the best answer I've ever heard of war crimes. "Is there evidence of this?" "Yeah...he never came back..."
The fucking partisan could have died in combat. In war.
@@davidbastardo4154 the 600 taken were not partizans , but the locals taken for labor.
@@davidbastardo4154 watch your language young gentalmen
@@davidbastardo4154Go fly your Nazi flag elsewhere, Adolf Jr. 🖕😐
@@geoms6263 What do you expect from a boy calling himself a bastard?
There are three side to every story. Your side, their side & the truth.
cobra kai?
Really just two, the truth doesn’t exist.
@@littleferrhis that's stupid, what if both people lie about a tomato being blue? you know it's red so the truth is that it's red,the truth does exist
Ain't that the truth🙄
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Wrong
I love how they look so skeptical then when she outs her great uncle as a partisan their eyes all light up in understanding.
She didn't "out" her great uncle as a "partisan," the attack that prompted the (illegal) reprisal on civilians was committed by "partisans" (a.k.a. people against the invader of their home country). There is no indication her great uncle was anything other than a civilian in the town. Defending war crimes isn't a good look.
@@jsquared1013 im sure you understand it better than them...they only fought it youre a guy online
The killing of almost the complete male population of Putten is a well known fact of the Dutch past during WWII. The men were taken away as revenge they were not all members of the resistance. What happened was that the German officer that was killed by the resistance was laying dead on the streets close to the village. That was the only reason the Germans choose Putten. It was a matter of installing fear into the Dutch population to let let them know they were never safe and that any counterattacks would be severely punished.
@@user-kj6sm1bs9k Of course... they only fought for Hitler, I'm sure they'd have an objective view on the Wehrmacht and warcrimes...
I probably don't even have to ask which type of party gets your swastika in any election.
@@jsquared1013 if you were from a town that had partisans YOU were a partisan. that's sound thinking in war.
I lived with Germans at uni, they said History is written by the victors.
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What you laughing at retard?
ok so what?
@@marvin2678 nothing slave. keep consuming lies
Then how they know the true story yet they remain alive? Unlike in fascism
I like how the old timers think to themselves “well no shit” when she explains about the ambush.
You like their smugness and their justification of reprisals?
Lol seriously
@@gasperpoklukar8372 dude chill, it’s history. These ole boys are piles of dust now..
I’m not trying to justify anything, just making an observation.
@@evanderdelarosa462 Those "ole boys" caused a whole lot more piles of dust with their actions. Piles, more like tons upon tons of dust. "It's just history" Yeah, it clearly was just history to the woman in the video, right? What's more, it's more than just history due to the relevance it has for all these Wehraboos and full-blown Nazis here on CZcams. You don't speak out against them, you make them stronger by ignoring them. What was that quote again about evil only needing good men doing nothing against it? It's in one of the Call of Duty games, even.
That faces she makes when he says "war has its own laws." Priceless.
THOTS trying to lecture men that are veterans on what happened in war.....
@@capitaldcolon1795 can’t tell old Germans nothing, they’ve been right for 80 years about everything.
@@capitaldcolon1795 She is a professor at Utrecht University at the moment. Quite a good one as well actually, specialised in terrorism, the history of securization and international relations. Did two masters and a Phd so not spoiled, hard work.
@@kennetheo neonazis are sooo sad LMAO
@@tequestaorangejuice6673 Facts don’t care about your feelings LOL
it is terrifying how propaganda can stick with some people for their entire life, although they have all the means to learn how absurd their beliefs were. This is deeply anchored
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Let us welcome as well our guests from the parallel universe with its alternative history in this comment section. They made all the effort to come here just to proof my point. I'm honored.
Yeah, like how can people be against sex change surgery for teens and young adults?
The fight against communism was all but absurd. It was completely right and whole of western Europe should thank the German soldiers for saving them from this evil ideology.
@@JesusIsKingAndSavior u are late for church
@@JesusIsKingAndSavior people can choose to do whatever they want with their own bodys. you wana be a cool cyborg? well this is how it starts.
and what propoganda?
War crimes are for the side that lost. The winners write the history and plan the future
And what a future they made for us. Things have definitely never been better in Europe and the US - for bankers, bureaucrats, immigrants and foreigners that is.
technically in the case of the West it was actually the losers who wrote history because it was Wehrmact testimonies that made up the basis of American history of the Eastern Front until the collapse of the USSR.
„The winners write history“ is a fairy tale told by those who try to whitewash history.
You know who really writes history? Historians write history and they do so based on facts. War crimes are not for the side that lost, but for the side that committed them and from a war of aggression, over the killing of non-combatants to a flat out war of extermination, Germany and the german army committed quite a number of atrocities.
@@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN Damn I don’t know where you live, but things are definitely way better here in Bavaria know, than they were when the nazis ruled. If I have to choose between bankers, bureaucrats, immigrants and foreigners one the one hand and nazis on the other, then I‘m going for the first option. And i‘m living in one of the few places, where the nazis actually did something for people and besides killing a bunch of innocents. Oh wait, they did that here as well.
Totally bro commit genocide against millions of fucking people is just for the side that lost grrr evil allies for stopping the fucking naiz's and making ideological enemies allies. Like how the fuck do you make the USSR look like a good guy. You be Nazi Germany that's how of course! God it's people like you that make me fucking wish that you had the ability to critically think and not just go hrrr durrr BUT DEY ALLIES TOO????? The allies did not actively commit a genocide against millions of people. And start a war killing millions more.
My grandfather died in a concentration camp.
He was drunk and fell off his guard tower 😢
Ayoo 😂😂
🥶
😂😂😂😂😂
The other guards were drunk too...they just didn't fall
Ahhh yes the movie Postal.
This is what Finnish veterans always say. They protected the Nordic countries against the soviets all alone. Finland was the only German ally that wasnt conquered.
Well Finland quite literally switched sides
Finland did pretty well for themselves and managed to survive the winter war, allying with their Germans, and then still keeping the Soviets from taking too much of their land or occupying them. Mannerheim and Rytti had to make tough decisions but what they did was for the good of the Finnish people. Still think it’s funny that in one talk, Mannerheim smoked in Hitler’s face; being an aristocrat he saw Hitler as some devil upstart.
Finland has been let down by the rest of Europe. Perhaps because they couldn't make a commitment, or didn't want to argue with Russia at the time, which they hoped to make an ally. Germany was an aggressor, but Russia had already set its eyes on Finland and Northern Europe. The tensions were there much earlier. Finland protected itself and they were brave people.
Welll Finland turned down around 20k soldiers from norway Denmark and sweden. And recived weapons from the above named Allies
@@Salsadans123 Even as a non nazi sympathizer, you can`t deny that germany saved europe from the soviet union. Obviously with their own interests in mind and not out of pure protectionism but still. Without germany the warswa pact would have ended with spain.
My grand- grand fathers both fought for the Wehrmacht, one of them was deployed in Africa and the other one was part of the Barbarossa operation ( invasion of USSR) where he sadly died in a bomb attack. The other one who was deployed in Africa nearly died as well because he got a death sentence because he refused to fight but this sentence got dismissed later on because he was a good blacksmith and he was a good use for them to mentain weapons and such.
We defended our country against bolshevism... we had to fight Americans in Italy, Africa and France
But in reality, IF it was only about Bolshevism then they wouldn't have done everything else 🤦♂️
If they were ONLY trying to stop the spread of communism then they could've easily negotiated deals and alliances with France, UK, USA, and all of the rest of anti-communist Europe. But because it was never just about stopping the USSR and communism, they didn't.
Their argument makes sense... until you consider EVERYTHING ELSE they did.
Tbf, they didn't get to decide over any of that
@@reasonablyserious they don't seem to be sorry about that
@@tobyalder42 Why should they be sorry for fighting as commanded, and in a mostly civilized manner against Anglo-American forces? Our own ground troops were mostly civilized in return.
@@Morrigi192 Because they fought for Hitler and the Nazi regime, have you heard about that? Because their fight led to the occupation of their country? Bombing cities has nothing to do with "mostly civilized manner".
For anyone wondering, the name of the full documentary is On the threshold of oblivion. You can find it online.
Thanks , I will look for it. : - ))
Thanks!
Hi, I just searched for it on CZcams but I can only find short version, not more than 5 minutes long
@Austrian Painter I don’t know if I can trust an Austrian painter 😏
Dank u wel. Ik ben een Amerikan. Ik like de Nederlandse taal. But I probably butchered it a bit there.
My father was a Wehrmacht Veteran of the Eastern Front. He survived the Battle of Kursk. He'd had told you pretty much the same thing if he were alive today.
I mean the Wermacht were simply soldiers fighting a losing war. It was those SS bastards who killed the innocent.
So was mine. Don't know which battles he was in though.
So he was an unrepentant Nazi, too?
@@chrisd2051 Yeah, no. The Werhmacht committed war crimes pretty much everywhere they went.
@@gasperpoklukar8372 moy drog imma need evidence
This is why I have zero sympathy for Germany as a whole from that generation. This is how they felt, my grandfather was at the Battle of the Bulge, he said most felt just like this. I’ll take his word over theirs.
What was this documentary/report called? Is the full version available?
just commenting here in case someone posts a link, so I get a notification!
@@johannlabertaler6095 same
@@lifefordummies I actually found out further down in the comments:
it's called "On the Threshold of Oblivion" and is available for rent on Vimeo. I highly recommend it.
Same
Word
"War has it's own laws." Deep, yet true.
Silent enim leges inter arma
Its*
@@hollowpoint894 We were tought in English class that "it's" always has an apostrophe. Otherwise, it's just an I, T, and S.
@@NorthernWolf910 Your English teacher was incompetent, then. "It's" with an apostrophe is a contraction of "It is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun.
@@NorthernWolf910 PS. Taught*
I wish the guy with the green hat would had the opportunity to speak his mind.
2:27 I bet that Guy wanted to say "Ausschreitungen von einzelnen Soldaten hat es gegeben, aber nicht in diesem großen Maße"
"Incidents from some German Wehrmachtsoldiers happend but not in this dimensions"
@@GermanPredatorHawk Tief
you mean Uncle junior from the sopranos
I don’t believe you need to open his mouth to speak his mind you can see everything you needed to hear his face
@@kennetheo LMAO! That was a slick move. I love TGSNT!
I want the whole documentary, where do I find it?
On the Threshold of Oblivion.
u have to pay to watch it
@@14Hans88 thanks, but I hope you have to pay some day for your beliefs as well. your name says it all. I despise you, I bet you're not even German, are ya?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putten_raid
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Christiansen
The raid on Putten was ordered by Wehrmachtbefehlshaber Friedrich Christiansen.
In response to attacks by the Dutch Resistance, he ordered reprisals against Dutch civilians such as the Putten raid. He was also responsible for the Dutch famine of 1944-1945 that resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians after ordering an embargo on all food transports to the western Netherlands. After the war, Christiansen was arrested and convicted of war crimes.
War is old men talking, young man dying
End of war is old men talking, young crying.
Well not the same as 3rd reich
Americans don't have the consept of the nation nor the motherland. In most other parts of the world, people go to war to defend their countries, wives and children. There're no such politics more important than your motherland and your family. At least that's what is most important for me or someone who is not American.
@@efe9625 muh freedom!!1!
@@efe9625 BULLSHIT - what tree did you fall out of, Efe? Must have hit your head VERY hard and can’t think straight anymore. Get yourself off to a brain doctor, you need a lot of help.
No, War is about poor men dying and old rich bastards giving orders behind the scenes. It's about rich and poor not young and old.
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napolean Bonapart
He did not say that because his empire was inspired by the history of other empires
Cool quote but Napoleons liberal views were gay.
Stupid quote because Napoleon never said it and it's not true. Especially disturbing when the quote is being utilized for the context of this video...
@@matushova1779 Napoleon literally did not consider women to be humans wtf are you talking about?
@@Thug_Nuts1 No, In Napoleon's view women were destined to play a domestic role, inside the family, rather than a public one.
all they really said was that war has no political correctnes..
Justified? I dont see it that way. They offer a different perspective.
When I was a senior in high school (USA, 1995-96) my Geometry teacher was from Austria and fought for the Reich. Every Friday after our test, he would tell us stories about the war from the German side. I only remember how emotional everyone got and how much we enjoyed the stories. Unfortunately, I can't remember any specifics of what he told us. He was a wonderful teacher though, and the best math teacher I ever had. He called our homework "Your entertainment for this evening." Most students nicknamed him "Grandpa Schwarzenegger," because of his accent.
In the early to mid 1990's I met my extended born German family members and a few WW II veterans. Other than the shakes you can get from old age, they all had shell shock.
Respect for both of your veterans
@@falloweroftheoneyoushouldh7974 Many thanks.
Hopefully he was just a regular Soldier and not involved in any War crimes. Too bad he fought for a lunatic.
@@kbanghart Luckily he wasn't involved in any war crimes. He was just a standard infantryman with low rank.
"The first casualty in a war is the truth" I forgot who said that.
socrates
Thank you.
I think Taylor Swift said that.
Wasn’t that Master P?
Aeschylus.....In War the first casualty is the truth.......Senator Hiram Johnson is credited with the more modernized...Truth is the first casualty in War
Oy gevalt, shut it down!!!
All the comments telling the truth have been deleted.
Then what is the truth?
The good guys lost ww2@@florimond1816
I wonder who is deleting them...
@@florimond1816 İslam Tek Hak Dindir
@@ZackFrisbee me
The Chinese and Japanese veterans are still arguing about what happened during WWII in Asia. War is hell, and it is initiated by a few and suffered by many.
U sure they ain’t dead bro?
The winner can dictate to the world what is written in history books and what isn't. And they can of course blame the defeated party, claiming they were "innocent" themselves. Just look at the bloodthirsty history of the British and the Americans and their Communist dictator friends, and you'll see how "Innocent" they are. Lol
Allies are warmongers and liars.
@@fureuropa-gegennwo1259 Thanks to those allies you now can spew your nonsense here.
@Osas Saso Relax. We are all free to express our own opinion everywhere. Thanks to the freedom our western allies brought to us after WW2.
@Osas Saso Take it easy and relax. Internet can be traced back to 1960's, and later on Bill Gate, Steve Jobs, - - - , etc. and many talented scientists and Engineers all contributed to the success of its worldwide applications. It is a powerful tool thanks to those western allied countries who made it happened.
Apart from all the politics, it’s crazy that the guns for the Soviet T-34 were designed by Krupp!
During Weimar Republic there was huge tech transfer from Germany to USSR. The AT guns Soviets were using were copies of German ones.
they were somewhat "allies" at the beginning and the Soviets even had the Germans test their military tech in Russia to avoid detection from the Western countries. All before the war broke out of course.
@@catharperfect7036wrong it happened also during the Nazi-Soviet Alliance
It wasn't. F-34 gun was designed in Gorky design biro. There were also normal optical sights installed, not a bad one too. 1500m was pretty hefty effective range for a gun of that era.
He made up story from a whole cloth, like a used car salesman.
@@CirKhan The Germans were also never making first round hits at ranges like that. Nobody was during WW2 with tanks consistently. As you said, total fabrication.
I'm sure there were some German manufactured cannons somewhere in the Soviet Union, but not tens of thousands of them arming every Soviet tank.
What movie or documentary did this come from?
This whole conversations is really eerie and chilling. The comment section is truly something else. It also made me think about how when you're taught about WW2 and the rise to power of the nazis, it all sounds like this grand and sudden event, and yet, the situation we're in doesn't seem all that different than the 30s upon some consideration. But yeah, going back to the conversation; a lot of people in the comments seem to praise these men for how eloquent they are, but their rhetoric is just pathetic; sure, an interesting historical document, but what they are saying is so awful, what makes it digestible and for some even appealing, is the context and their manners. When I got to the end, I felt the need to give that woman a hug, what a disturbing situation
you're such a puss lmao
Your comment is eerie.
@@toast2610 your existance is eerie
Them being against R*pe is eerie in your opinion? Alrighty
@@evs251 @evs251 Did I say that? No. I didn't. I said "whole conversation", not a specific statement. If that's what you understood, you might as well have asked me if the fact that the lady is from Putten is eerie.
"We march without permission"
Based grandpa's
They complain about Russians committing war crimes while bragging about invading a neutral country.
Sounds more like they're grasping at straws
@@TheMasterTelevision i smell that your account is freshly made. Seems like a troll born from codes i see. Your comment will be nothing.
@@doctorchaotic3415 Can’t handle the truth or what? How anybody justifies what the nazis did has to be braindead
They should have asked permission, it's obvious they wouldn't have received it but the gesture would have gone a long way with average Dutch people and as a consequence could have recruited far more Dutch people to help them in the east.
@Charles Martel Who in their right mind is gonna listen to a absolutely horrendous 2 and a half hour long speech? Dude, condense your info.
Netherland : "German did bad things first against us!"
Also netherland : *invade southeast asian countries*
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng read full history about Indonesian history. How Netherland came into southeast asia. I think you still don't know/understand about Indonesian and southeast asian history
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng really? Your vision about Indonesia being better if it had remained a dutch colony indicating how little you know about the history. At first, VOC is the one who run the entire thing, it means all its purpose is just to have wealth as much as they could. One of obvious thing is : Indonesian education during netherland era was so bad, so many workforce, slavery, etc. Meanwhile, when England colonized a country, they educate the people, giving them a better chance.
Then i'm taking your first comment, just to clarify, Indonesia only allied with Japan in the first arrival of Japan in Indonesia. Before that, there were a lot of resistance done by Indonesians. Indonesian allied with Japanese just because Indonesia don't have much choice knowing the netherland had a better technology. Indonesia declared its independence alone without support from both Japan and Netherland (Japan forbade the declaration of independence). And fight the invading netherland without Japan.
So what is your extensive knowledge about?
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Dutch soldier when my country(dutch colonies back then and now indonesia) invade by them again ,they force women to be they're wife because they not had any women or far from netherland.Still no one put them in jail ,there is some incident i sulawesi ,around 45.000 men killed by the dutch ,well i belive if dutch still in they're colonies ,there will be a racial problem and communism will easy take over all the east asia because they want to kick out imperialism such as dutch.
@@hafizhmanaf1459 kasih tau bro ,mereka buta akan kekejaman Belanda di indonesia ,mereka cuma antek kapitalis.
- They didn't sign the Geneva Convention
- Well you guys also broke the rules by invading Netherlands
"War has its own laws"
The international red cross did regular inspections of all concentration camps and never found any wrongdoing, you ignorant ape
@@damianoasteriti8530 yeah? show me documents about regular inspections of Auschwitz, Treblinka etc.
Does anyone know the documentary
title this came from?
It's called "On the Threshold of Oblivion"
I never expected Germans to argue about something so grave... yet remain so civil! No shouting matches like we have in the US.
Very common attitude in Germany and Scandinavia. The other way around happens in Southern Europe, though, specially in Spain and Italy.
They aren't obnoxious like the brits or yanks.
These are literal Nazis you chode.
Ikr
This was a different time. People had more manners in the US and UK too.
Imagine what would they say If they saw how Europe is today
@Adolf Hitler I thought you were behind the moon with your dinosaur army
@@HUNKresi4 He actually came back...he played in the german movie Look Who's Back
Many of them after the war supported the Soviet Union over the US as they believed liberalism and not Marxism-Leninism would be the downfall of Europe, how right they were.
@@alwayswas8155 both suck , both are evil
@@19dollarfortnitecard35 Yeah, liberalism and Marxism-Leninism are pretty cringe
Germany was a beast it was fighting against the world by itself 🗿
Did they delete the original?
What the actual fuck CZcams. How dare we hear the other side of the story???
hmmmmmmmmm
Interim Ikr such bullshit, youtube deletes a lot of ww2 footage here on youtube but it’s just history like come on!
They are deleting everything that tells the other side of history. People are starting to learn the truth.
Of course they did. Little bitches can't handle opposing viewpoints cause there position is so weak
"In time of war, Law falls silent" - Cicero
"War is continuation of polocy by other means" -Von Clausewitz
Well more properly the saying would be rendered as, "In the clamor of arms the law is unheard."
@@unclejoeoakland waaaay less pithy though. One also need to express that. But I appreciate this comment a lot more than the one where the silly moo was telling me the "laws in Brussels are not the same as in Cicero" or something to that effect... Gotta love the internet, eh
And that is the music of life
@@Sassenhaim The music of life can be found here; czcams.com/channels/MSQ-Qb_BIkhQ9v2P9X8leA.html
War has its own laws, smiles and pats her back. I'm speechless. Her face is priceless.
"All is fair in love and war" - have you never heard that?
Tell that to the old Germans. Angry of how the Russians destroyed their country, while leaving out the four years before that led to that occupation.
@@silverbullet2008bb a proverb used to excuse unnecessary crimes
@@yummydragon8533 Yeah, true. I guess it wouldn't be fair to murder countless German civilians in the Danzig massacres nor to deliberately starve to death 1 million axis POWs in Eisenhower's Rhine Meadow's death camps and it certainly wasn't fair to expel 16 million German civilians from their homes in the East - the majority of which never arrived at their destination.
@@yummydragon8533 You mean like the firebombing of Dresden?
They seemed so worried about following the Geneva convention but when confronted at the end about invading another sovereign country suddenly “War has its own rules”.
Since when is war considered and illegitimate policy decision?
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 Was there much legitimacy in their decision to invade the Netherlands?
holland isnt "another sovereign country" bla its german province with exiled former empereror residing, also ,i.e., these times
To cloud the issue more, there were over 500,000 thousand volunteers from the rest of Europe whole divisions were from Sweden Denmark etc.
The Latvian Waffen-SS had up to 80,000 people if I'm not mistaken
There were hundreds of thousands of Russians fighting with Germany against bolshevism too. They were naïve not to realise average Russians would have saw it as an invasion of their home
@@whomstdvent4844 You're naive for assuming that the Germans weren't just using them as expendable bodies. It's well known they weren't fans of Slavs. Many crimes would have been committed in eastern Europe even if the Russians were communist.
@@radacious29 I'm not denying that, only the 3rd wave of the Waffen-SS viewed Russians and Slavs as equal, most high ranking Germans despised Slavs and Russia. I'm saying that to not expect resistance to an invasion of their homeland was naïve, as if magically they were going to denounce bolshevism and throw flowers at their feet like they did in Ukraine.
@@whomstdvent4844 There weren't nowhere near "hundreds of thousands of Russians" among German ranks. It's questionable if there were any at all. Quit selling this narrative that Barbarossa was some liberation of the Slavic people from communism. The Nazis hated Slavs and planned to eradicate and enslave them (Generalplan Ost).
when patton got to berlin he said "We have deafeated the wrong enemy"
Patton was certainly silenced !
Patton and Churchill were strong advocates of the immediate rearmament the German people. They had a devastated population, but the German experience of fighting the Soviets was seen as an invaluable asset. Both Churchill and Patton agreed, after Germany surrendered, the time was perfect to press into the USSR and end Stalinism, German advisors being critical to that effort. The human race almost became endangered, possibly extinct if the Cuban missile crises had gone the other way, luckily it didn’t. Patton was assasinated, Churchill was forced out of office.
hey brandon88 there was no marching to Moscow by the allies, the Russians had the greatest land army ever assembled at that point
Then patton was assassinated basically
@@jamesgall475 Yes he was. The U.S. Government killed Patton.
What documentary is this from?
You have to at least admit that they can truly discuss history calmly, the way it is supposed to.
"It's said that in the first week after they (Soviets) took Berlin all women who ran were shot and those who didn't were raped.I could have taken it if I had been allowed."
General Patton.
The Allied forces were complicit. They knew what the Red Hord was going to do on their way to Berlin and did nothing to stop them.
@@wewillovercome2133 Exactly, and when you say this people think it is a conspiracy. You can see it's affects on America today with the rise of Bolshevism and Marxism.
@@wewillovercome2133 In May 1945, General Eisenhower (who had publicly promised to abide by the Geneva Convention)illegally forbade German civilians to take food to prisoners starving to death in American camps.He threatened the death penalty for anyone found feeding the prisoners.
there is no punishment for the Germans for raped and killed soviet girls on eastern front.According to user @Heinisauerkraut said: My Grandpa was a military pastor with a rank of a major in the German Wehrmacht . Then | was a young boy ( about 1980 , I was 10 ) he took me and my older brother hiking , because he mapped wild graves of unknown soldiers who were fallen in the last days of the war , mostly from strafing fighter planes . He organized that they were put in proper graves in local graveyards and was later honored for this work . There he told us many stories about the war , especially in the east . Until almost the end of the war he had no own front line experience , but many soldiers came to him to confess their own experience to get some relive from the horrible things they saw or did . It took some years to really understand the things he told us . He told us , that the main difference between the campaign in France was , that you were at risk to get court martialled and shot if you stole only a chicken . In Russia you could steal , rape and murder without any punishment , because of the Führerbefehl . He told us , that most soldiers wouldn't have done it normally , but they almost did never anything against these crimes , and sometimes they helped or even joined , because of peer pressure . Some commanders forbade their soldiers to rape and kill civilians , but the only thing they could do was to put these soldiers into other units . And even the commanders who acted against rapes and murders , allowed or even encouraged to confiscate any food from the civilian population , so that they were condemned to starve to death . The result was almost the same in the end . He told us , which is now in accordance to my own experience , that were are only a few people are really evil , but on the other side there are also only a few people morally good . Most people are opportunists , and they act according to the circumstances , and if the circumstances allowing to do otherwise socially unacceptable acts , they will do it , if they get an advantage from that . So my Grandpa really know about the crimes on the eastern front , and because of that he tried not to get in soviet captivity . 1945 he was on leave at home south of Frankfurt , then he decided to dessert and hide in the woods . A thing he only told his children and later his grandchildren , and did not even write in his own memoirs . That is telling something about the German mindset , even long after the war . It was counted as more shameful to desert your unit , than to obey orders from a criminal regime . The military police told my grandmother , that if he returns he wont be shot , and in the end the pressure on was to high , and he surrendered two weeks before the Americans occupied his viage . He was court martialled ,degraded to the lowest rank and put into a penal battalion . His unit stand against the " Russians " in the area around Berlin . The Russians used loud speakers to demand the surrender , and after that someone in the unit shot the commanding officer , and the whole unit surrendered without a fight . My Grandpa was at this time quite sick from his time in the woods , and then they were inspected by a soviet female doctor , she asked him if he has children . He answered correctly that he has 8 children and showed photos of them . After that he got his release papers , and was allowed to go home . So in a lucky twist of fate , he survived his short time as soviet POW . If he were captured as military pastor in a rank of major , his fate would have been for sure much darker . I am very thankful for that experience with my grandfather . But even for me , it took some time , to remember the stories of my grandpa , then in the late 80's the discussion about the crimes of the Wehrmacht came up . This was the first time realized the full weight of the information in my head . Maybe it was so convenient to blame the SS and other nazi party organisations for all the bad things happened in the war
@@didih3339 Two thousand civilians murdered in 5 days.
I thought that was pretty civil, compared to U.S. citizens.
That bcuz were proud Americans. Get it right
@@JoeDiGiovanniIV bruh
Joe DiGiovanni IV 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
USA: We've proudly killed millions of innocent people in the name of globalism... I mean democracy and freedom! USA USA USA!!!
@@Bristecom too bad we didn't get you too
What is the complete documentary called?
I rather fight these guys than the Japanese. At least you could surrender to the Germans and live to tell about it after the war. They didn't starve our POW 's to death and forced them on any "Bataan death marches" like the Japanese did. I have respect for the German soldiers none for the Japanese.
The Japanese atrocities propaganda is so hilarious, a group of small hats make sci-fi movies like "Schindler's list" and "Man behind the sun" and now we have npc's taking it as reality...
Apparently 99% of people watch Hollywood movies and go like "yeah, that must have happened exactly like this"
MOVIES ARE NOT REALITY, THEY ARE MADE BY HISTORICAL LIARS WITH SMALL HATS, WAKE UP
You really think nazis treated captured soldiers good?
It depends on who you are, if you were British or American you would get treated much better by the Germans, however if you were Russian or a guerrilla fighter in a slavic country, you are probably better of dying than getting captured alive. The Japanese really didn't care and treated everyone equally terrible, and consequently they received what was coming to them
@@user-gj5mz4xo3o Japan atrocities propaganda is so hilariously stupid, if the small hats tell you that Germans created soap bars out of humans will you believe that as well?
Damn you are duuuuuumb
Takes guts to keep fighting knowing your out numbered and out gunned
You're
Did anyone have an option in those days ?
It's live or die - there was no escape for 99,9999 % of the people.
@@theoderich1168 it’s something I personally couldn’t fathom. Europe during the war . Makes problems/events that have happened in recent decades look microscopic
@@JoboMcFakeAF you are absolutely right, it takes a lot of courage. I have been trying to imagine what it must have been like to have lived in those days - it is almost impossible.
Already as a kid I have been interested in ww2, in Germany it is present all the time and still almost no one I knew spoke about it. My mother never spoke about her father who died at the front in Holland in 1944, that did not make things better for the younger folks living with a taboo they could not grasp.
Axis started the Eastern front with 8 million troops.
The Red Army had 6 million troops.
Public statistic.
For fuck sake.
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." Winston Churchill -
Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145
Well done.
Taken out of context.
By the way, every war between nations is aimed against its people.
Karl Heven “Taken out of context” lol funny how they recoil when we throw history back in their face.
@@karlheven8328 shut up you liar
Churchill was a demon
There is no evidence Churchill ever said this
What year was this filmed? Had to be a while ago I recon
I give this crazy piece of a shit state of the current world about 10 years and this will happen again. Ironically the people who suffered the most from this war are also the people who constantly line up the world for conflict.
My grandfather on my mother's side was a Scotsman who fought for Australia's 2/28 th and was captured by Rommels forces at Tobruk. He was well treated by the Germans and spoke highly of Rommel.
Los que ganan escriben la historia
@@ChrisWZMfacts
Danke...deutschland!
@@dagmarvandoren9364 ❤️
Too bad Jews didn't see Germans the same way.
Those first 55 seconds are pure class, haha what a bloke.
the Germans xDDD
So proud
My elevator in my building in Belgium is made by Krupp
No kidding
@@malinwa4ever315 mijn oma heeft ook een van krupp🤣
@@malinwa4ever315 The Ikea in the Heerlen ( NL) has a Schindler's Lift...... LOL
He kinda talks like Jeremy Clarkson in a way
Wish i could watch the whole documentary! Anyone with a link or suggestion?
It’s called On the Threshold of Oblivion.
Also try "Europa: The last battle"
My father was deported from Holland traveling by cattle wagon to Germany.
Slight issue was he was born in Hamburg but his father was Dutch. His mother moved to Holland when he was six so he was considered legally Dutch.
He had a few stories to tell but also one's of the positive side of human nature while a prisoner also, including a German guard that refused to carry a firearm and their being allowed to raid a railway yard for coal for their stove, he reckoned the German guards just looked the other way.
His older brother once they clued up to his heritage was 'invited' to join the army on the Eastern front. Taken prisoner he managed an escape with a group and were successful. They had learnt that their life expectancy was not long. Later he was again a POW of the British, I think? But escaped again.
This is a deeply touching family history. Sending my thoughts to your father and his brother ❤ They were geniuses of survival.
in the WW2 time most of my grandpas were children...
@@eduardkalmanawardze Wow. How many do you have?
@@dibaldgyfm9933 That's a good comment, they were. Interestingly they had another brother that never saw conflict till after the war. He was drafted into the Dutch Imperial Army, he caused so much trouble that those senior to him addressed him as 'Mr Hart', and ask him if he wanted to what ever task was at hand, he would apparently normally decline.
My father said his brother was invited to join MENSA so I think he used his smarts to get his own way.
my grandpa whom i didnt get to meet as he passed before i was born was in holland as well, were deutch, he was like your uncle 'invited' to join the military. He ended up in a resistance group that would smuggle american and allied pilots who were shot down and survived back to friendly lines. He was caught with an american pilot i believe and was sent to a concentration camp. He had some gnarly scars on his neck from a experiment they did on him there. He told my mom about how they would have hidden pockets in their coats to try to smuggle food back to their family, he got caught with a thing of milk and they poured it out in front of him. Ultimately he was liberated when the camp was bombed if i recall correctly either that or allied troops jsut showed up and he was able to escape in the fighting. He came to america afterward but i still have a lot of family in Holland and Poland. We still have a old nazi trench coat he took off a dead soldier
It such a refreshing change NOT to hear "we were just following orders." Its important to show this film because it is truth, how many Germans thought in the post war world. This is important for remembering real history in the future.
@@brettm7345 you know what you're right, I was conditioned to believe I don't deserve to die because I'm not white. It's all because I was conditioned that I considered this wrong.
yea I think it’s important we not hear excuses and lies that make all these soldiers seem innocent, when in reality many held the same beliefs as schmitler
@@MC32595 oy vey
@@MC32595 Defending their home country and killing partisans, nothing wrong with that.
@@MC32595 thats fucking bullshit
the wehrmacht was 18 million men strong
most of them were between 17 and 25 years old
which means that most couldnt have possibly voted for adolf hitler in the first place
( who by the way only very closely wont the election )
they were soldiers who had a job to do
thats it
Honestly, they regretted that they lost. IF they won, History would be different today. We probably might not have communist Cold War but some other things. IDK but for sure it would be different.
Horrors yet unimagined at scales so vast it would make the human mind short-circuit and call it all fake is what. One shudders at the thought.
where i can find the complete documentary?
„On the threshold of oblivion“ said someone somewhere online
"lol we just marched right in!" fkn based...
They both flew in (Falschrimjägers, paratroopers.) And marched in lol
Evil pieces of shits. You can tell these old men were the simple-minded brainwashed troops from back in the day.
@@taterowe2023 Ok buddy you are probably a leftist.
@@drazam6608 Yup. Like the ones who won the war, loser nazi bitch
@@dorkmax7073 they ain't Nazis fucktard
What is it with Americans saying lefties and righties just stfu so annoying
In a way, I felt sorry for her. After being told by a German WW2 veteran, "War has its own laws". He walk away but turned around and gently patted her on the back.
I feel bad for her too
Nazis were too brutal
I understand revenge for a partisan attack but out of 700 only 49 returned!?
@@Reaper13765 I mean the soviets committed even more atrocities
@@ashdown4441 Even if that were true, it does not in any way excuse German atrocities.
@@Reaper13765 The Stasi repaid in kind the children of the nazis who stayed behind the red blood iron curtain.
@@ashdown4441 & even after the war by their stasi thugs.
They tried to quote international laws to defend themselves. And when they couldn't, they said "War has its own laws".
Those people believed they did nothing wrong till the day they died.
“There were good people on both sides” Donald J Trump
rent free
General Patton .."We have defeated the wrong enemy".
Then he died in an "accident" a couple of months later.
Please stop
"The good guys will always be seen as the bad guys and the bad guys will always be seen as heroes"
Example, people hating on the US for being "Imperialists" and people believing in communism.
@Dogu Kilickap Communism is the bad guy, but always seen as good guys, I can easily ask anyone about what he thinks about the bolshevik trash, and they'll actually talk good about them, meanwhile if I talk about what they think about America, they'll say it's imperialistic, trashy and stinky.
TurnOffThe Talmudvision Don’t forget that they also ignored the Soviet occupation of Poland AFTER the war was over. Defense of Poland was only ever an excuse
Kind of reminds me of the saying 'war doesn't determine who is right, only who is left' (alive).All sides used propaganda and it's entirely possible these German soldiers were fighting in their various units, theatres and experiences and never saw any war crimes. It's also possible they were brainwashed or did see such atrocities. Remember, the war involved literally millions of people from all over the world and each person who participated, lived and even died had their own individual story.
It's important to study history so the same mistakes are not made again but in saying that, you also need to use caution when applying perspective to how you view history especially with those who lived, breathed and experienced it firsthand.
Britian killed around 10 million indians during world war 2. France killed around 3 million Algerians and 2 Million Moroccans. But they dont teach this in schools. They brainwashed everyone thinking only germany committed genocides.
@@speartongamer6080 first, the number is debatable, second that conflict was for a period of more than 10 years... every single country has committed atrocities towards others
@@embalmertrick1420 not my country
@@urban4493 what’s your country?
@@embalmertrick1420 10 million is quite a conservative number tbh.
Hi. In what year was this filmed? What is the title of the full documentary?
Thanks
2003
full link of this ?
Don't got any German relatives, but my great uncle is a Ukrainian volunteered for them when they were invaded. Bolsheviks killed most of his family in the interwar period and hatred for them and a lust for revenge is really all that was driving him at that point in his life, so he joined the German invasion, and never had any regrets for it.
How did he survive after the war?
Yeah, many Ukraines received the Germans as liberators and stuff but as soon as they realized what Nazis really wanted to do there (mass executions of civilians, whole cities burned to the ground, mass starvations , mass rapes) they joined the Partisans and the Red Army en masse. Yeah, a psychopath like Stalin was actually better than Nazi rule.
You know Nazis had plans to exterminate 50% of Ukrainian population, don’t you? If you really think Ukraine would be better under Nazi rule, you are dreaming. As for your grandfather (collaboration with people who wanted to exterminate his own) the Nazis considered the their local collaborators inferior. Heydrich even had this written. The Slavs closer to Aryans were those fighting and resisting against the Germans. Collaborators were considered the lowest scum from the scum.
Maybe your grandfather wasn’t like this, but collaborators took part in the mass murder of civilians, including very young children.
@@alisp.4384 Well, you must keep in mind people then and there didn't have 75 years of information to look back through as it was unfolding, and most of what we know of what occurred in (what would become) the Eastern Bloc nations/SSRs is based off Soviet records as the West was not allowed to investigate. With that in mind, I'll tell you what I was told.
My great uncle lived is a smaller village in the Rivne Oblast, the Germans would eventually reach it, after reaching it he witnessed no rape, the town wasn't razed, and none of the civilians were killed. Resources, however, were seized. At the time there were no actual Soviet military in the town so the Germans sort of just walked in (for lack of a better term). I think it's safe to assume, whatever a Nazi party member was plotting back in Berlin, the Wehrmacht that entered the town was completely unaware of, so to my great uncle there appeared to be no ill intent. The Germans lifted the restrictions on religion the Soviets imposed, and it was not long after he volunteered since the Germans were taking them. He was aware the Germans were not saints by any means, but he maintained a "better them than the reds" attitude. He never personally witnessed any of the atrocities often cited with the exception of Soviet POWs being executed (which didn't bother him), most of his time was either laboring or fighting the Red Army. He never had any dealings with the SS (or any that he spoke of anyway) though.
So, stop and think for one moment. A brutal regime kills most of your family and starves your people, then another brutal regime comes, but doesn't seem _as_ brutal (there was no internet, or phone, or TV, or w/e people today take for granted to know what happened in Poland), and the soldiers have not personally mistreated you or your neighbors. So who do you side with? The regime that killed your family and starved your people? Or the regime that is killing them? I can only assume it was a no brainer. You are not going to gaslight me in to thinking my great uncle was a bad man because he sided with "muh nahtzees!". War isn't black and white.
@@SilencedReflex I know he remained in Ukraine for most of his life, I always assumed he kept the fact he defected a secret, as he would have been imprisoned at least, but most likely executed, had the state known. He's been dead for about two decades now so I can't ask for details.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark
First of all, that is not what “gaslight” mean. Look up what it really is.
Second, don’t be so naive. Your great-uncle was a collaborator. What the Nazis (and this includes Wehrmacht) did in Eastern Front was brutal. What I told you wasn’t taken from Soviet books, but from Western books and papers peer reviewed and published with first hand witnesses accounts and revised numbers. It took decades for the US to take a look at the Eastern Front, since many the crimes were committed not by SS, but Wehrmacht and the politics at the time was the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth. The Nazi plans for Ukraine (at least 50% of the population murdered by mass starvation) was taken from German records . The Nazi hated the Slavs and considered them sub-human, not much better than the Jews.
But you’re right. At first the German just walked into villages, taking some of the food , chatting with the locals, being received as liberators. At first.
Ukraine was one of the countries who suffered one of the greatest civilian losses, massacres, atrocities, (together with Poland, Belarus and Russian). Do you really think your great-uncle would admit any of of this, to his own family, including his young nephew the atrocities that happened during the war? I find it very hard to believed he didn’t even heard what was happening. I just told you collaborators took part in many of these atrocities. I’m not saying your uncle did those things, but he certainly wouldn’t say to his own family all that he witnessed. Soldiers rarely talk to their family the things they witnessed, much less did, during the war. I’ve watched an interview with a German Wehrmacht soldier who told the interviewer he took forty year to admit to his family what he had witnessed in the Eastern Front. He didn’t even told the interviewer what he did witnessed, but his lips were trembling , he was stuttering and almost crying just remembering it.
I’m not saying your uncle was a bad man, maybe he was in denial. War do terrible things to people. But there no heroes here.
Still has the grindset, after all these years
sigma grindset
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Reichset
@@redrumreverse964 That's an entire different level from Sigma lol.
4:15 The only regret the Nazis have is they lost.
yup
The documentary called Europa:The final battle was a really interesting take on WW2.
neo nazi
Even General Patton understood the Russian threat
You ealize he wanted to kill the NAzis and then keep going onto the Soviets, right? he didn't want to ally the Reich.
Patton wanted to rearm the germans to fight the soviets as an united front. Coward politicians did their best to push him away from command.
I'm glad Truman fired some of these crazy war mongering generals after ww2. Patton would have been one of them.
Urss ACTUALLY WON the cold war later...i mean their idea today is carried on by the Chinese.
The marxists won. If you are in th west today look around you. Only a blind man cant see that they won.
@@AK-vs9nr They didn't really win, they managed to infiltrate academia because the population became pinkos. It'll probably kill the USA but that doesn't mean the west will fall, a lot of countries are turning away from the poison in the last few years.
The narcissist's prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not our fault.
And if it was, we didn't mean it.
And if we did, you deserved it.
@Real Man Die Another edgelord. Have you ever genuinely considered the fact that you might not have the best ideas if your thought process just boils down to "genuinely support the bad argument for the meme"?
@Real Man Die I'd be angrier if they invaded my country. Don't invade, and you won't get blown to pieces by partisans. They were justified. The Wehrmacht was not. Should have stayed home.
@Jesus Is Lord Don't invade peoples homeland and you won't get ambushed lol
@Jesus Is Lord Jesus would smite you, false Christian
@@jesusislord1153 "justified bro" - the words where even the last person knew that your father failed in life.
What’s the name of this film?
So strange to see an argument take place wihtout any name calling or insults. Why cant everyone be like this
They aren't civilized.
@@erajal-wasi9318 I first I thought you meant the Germans here weren't civilized, but I see what you meant now.
Yeah the problem is not that one guy there was defending Hitler and spewing textbook Nazi propaganda about the biggest mass murdering in human history, it would only be problematic if he shouted...
History is the most important subject ever.
wym by that
@John S. False.
Bless you for that... restored my faith in the internet/humanity just a tiny little bit
Genius
@@mashedpotato4465 what you mean by wym
Being a German solider back then sure put you in a precarious position
and see how we forget that today..
No it didn't; it was a very clear choice. You either participated in the war crimes, or you didn't. Obviously these men could care less how many civilians they murdered on their way into and out of the Soviet Union.
@@DasGeneral12 if they decided they wouldnt want to, they would be executed for treason. simple as that. Kill or be killed.
Imagine being a Jewish heritage German soldier. Someone who trained and believed in the glory of Germany and the expression of her values after proving your metal as a boy in the Great War. Must've sucked balls
@@marcuspoosz2190 Yeah that's not an excuse at all. Getting a transfer to the police battalions and Einsatzgruppen was voluntary, and executing civilians isn't war. It's a war crime. We tried, convicted, and executed the officers that ordered it.