Three Simple Reasons This Fiat is Better than its Ferrari Sister! - Fiat Dino Spider
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- I get to drive the Fiat Dino Spider once owned by Pininfarina himself and explain why it is a better car and better buy than the Legendary Ferrari 246 Dino. Costs, Rarity and Driving Pleasure are all factors I consider.
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I just love the sound, I own a blue 2.4 l Coupé and would never ever sell it!
That Fiat Dino still looks stylish! I’d have one like a shot.
Clever stuff, Jack. Making a serious point in your own style. Thanks for becoming a valuable voice.
One interesting thing is that all of the development work on the 2L and 2.4L engines were done in the FIAT where the engine is placed longitudinally. When the same engine was placed in the Dino Ferrari transversely the fuel float bowls would now starve fuel on long left hand bends. This was only ever solved after Dino production ended with the Lancia Stratos (that used the same engine). The Stratos had different carbs and intake manifolds but sadly these cannot be fitted to a Ferrari Dino without either modifying the airbox or engine lid.
The FIAT Spider is a lovely car and as a Ferrari Dino owner myself I can accept your praises for the FIAT variant. That said the Ferrari is just so achingly beautiful that it is difficult to choose the FIAT if there is only one garage space to fill.
One small detail, that car you refer to is not a Ferrari. It is a Dino 246 GT, but not a Ferrari. It was sold as a separate brand, and you will find no Ferrari emblems on it. The engine has FIAT cast into it.
Didn’t know this. Even after two coupes and now a Spider. Agreed on the 246/Spider choice though.
Can you explain what difference in the Stratos carburetion solves the problem? There might also be a parallel with the InfluEnzo's carburetion saga.
@@pashakdescilly7517 The Dino 246GT was built on the Ferrari assembly line, Has a chassis ID plate with a prancing horse on it, and was sold through Ferrari dealerships. Even though the engine has FIAT cast into it the ID stamping is different for the 246GT. While I agree that it is not a pure Ferrari, referring to it as a Ferrari Dino 246GT is accepted terminology and in no way is an attempt to pass the car off as a Ferrari. It is funny because for years people put horse emblems on these cars to pass them off as Ferrari's and now it is the opposite as the Dino brand has more cache. Also 308 GT4 owners have recently jumped on the bandwagon with more people referring to their cars as Dino's whereas 10 years ago they would have all called them Ferrari's. I have both a 246 GT and a 308 GTB so I've heard it all before :)
@@pashakdescilly7517 The Stratos received IDF carburetors while the 246 used DCNF's. Totally different architecture and float setup. I have driven a 246GT with Stratos carbs and the difference is significant. I believe the Influenzo's misfire has been cured and it was down to an electrical problem cutting a bank of cylinders.
I am so lucky: small feet, short legs and long arms; so I love old Italian cars. I've only driven a few miles in 246 Dinos but the ride definitely wasn't harsh. In fact by today's standards it would be considered too soft, especially with those big, squidgy 70 series XWXs! Dino's and other old Ferraris do need regular exercise though and it's common to find the bushings have broken down, seized, or both. A hard riding 246 has likely just not been regularly driven.
My dad has a 246gts He used to let me drive it when I was 17 and learning to drive with him as a passenger, crazy really love that car
I always loved the Fiat Dino convertible. Another triumph for Pininfarina! You should have mentioned there is also the Coupe styled by Bertone...a very different and rather plain looking car. Be that as it may, I have a friend with two "Ferrari" Dinos, and I find them to be brilliant driving machines, and as far as the looks, I think they are second only to the Miura.
Great video. Thanks!
Nice video again, Jack! The Fiat Dinos ,both coupe (which I once owned) and Spider ,shared the same Gemmer steering box as the Fiat 125 Special ,130 and 132 models - Fiat was very good at utilising there own spares ! It produces a very smooth action in rotation of the wheel when compared to the rack and pinion set up , although heavy at parking speeds lightens up once on the move. Fiat suspension is very highly rated , although on paper not such a technical “ tour de force” as perhaps some Alfa Romeos, but should not be overlooked , as it produces good ride characteristics with good driving responses. Colour does certainly suit the car!
Same wheels too! 😁
Whole front suspension and steering is off a 125/132
Installing two way gas shocks for Argenta makes a world of difference.
I'm also pondering a 2.8 turns lock to lock power steering box from Argenta but it takes a bit of fiddling to fit a power steering pump, pulleys etc
How absolutely lovely! And for the 1st time in the history of CZcams Dino-clips, all the facts are correct!
That is one stunningly gorgeous car. It doesn't hurt that I love drop-tops. What a treat it must have been to drive.
Yes, yes, yes!!!! It’s usually the coupe that we see featured, the spider must be rarer than rocking horse poop. Beautiful, beautiful car!!
I don't know why, but when I was doing my Grand European Tour, I was passed on the road by several Fiat Dino Spiders. It must be that owners just couldn't bear to let these cars stand!
I remember seeing these cars when on holiday in Spain, 1970’s, they looked fabulous then and they still do now😍
Another great video Jack and a good comparison with the 246. Remembering that Ferrari were selling their mighty V12 Daytona at the same time which both shared that unique interior design...
Jack, interesting video, thanks for bringing this to us!
Always loved these since a kid...
Yeah, the Fiat Dino may be a better daily driver, but I'd park a Rosso Corsa 246GT in my living room just to look at it.
Wherever you fall on the main call of this vid (preference), I will say, the quality and entertainment of your videos is excellent as always. I have a tiny idea of what you put into these. I really appreciate it! Absolutely gorgeous car btw, underrated imo. Tasteful, great proportions.
One of our all time favourites at the sporting fiats club!
Another lovely Italian work of art. And this one with a great story, as well. Thanks.
I've never heard or seen one of these things before, but the curves on the body, everything about it is fantastic, very individual looking too, engine sounds so nice, love to drive it round the lake district on a sunny day 👍
Thanks for watching Simon!!
I remember seeing these in the for sale sections of UK car magazines in the 80's for 3-5k no one wanted them, mind you this is when a ferrari dino was 35k for a excellent example... should of bought a couple of each , ho hum such is life.... great video as usual cheers from New Zealand
I had a 1967 Fiat Dino 2.0 L spider.. I also owned a 77 Ferrari 308 GTB grp…
I have to say the Dino Spider was the better drive, just the sound and feel of it
The Ferrari was nice, but really Jack is right..The Fiat Dino is a fabulous drive. Sorry never had the pleasure to drive a 246 so I can’t say how good they are.
I was never a fan of the front end view of the Fiat Dino myself but it sure looked good with the hardtop fitted..
Thanks for the video much enjoyed.
I find the nose of the FIAT DINO 2000 spider less attractive than the 2400 perhaps because the tyres don't fill the wheel arches and the bumpers are skinny. I actually have a Ferrari 246 nose clip hanging in my garage and yes., its shape is stunning.
Awesome! My dad has a 71 dino 2.4L spyder and coupe… that engine sound is amazing
@@SuperDre9 ask him to leave them to you in his will 😁
@@drivinmenutsnuts3380 lol ..I appreciate these cars more as I get older. You just don’t see these cars anymore. He’s got the 84’ 308 quattrovalve which is nice but all it does is collect dust these days lol. Old Italian men for you lol
Nice video Jack. I’ve thought about this comparison for years. Cheers!
I first saw these cars in Switzerland as a 13 year old on a school trip and there seems to be several in Lucerne where we stayed. I've loved them ever since - a beautiful beautiful car-but don't remember seeing one on the road. I'm afraid they're beyond my pocket so I'll just need to love them from afar. Thanks for this.
Great vid Jack
Always thought the shape of these was very classy
9:33 I think I just got a new favorite engine sound. Man alive, that sound sweet!!!!
Lovely car, but IMO no comparison to a 206/246. The Dino is arguably the most beautiful road car ever made.
The 246 & The Jaguar E-type vie for top spot in my personal perspective.
@@markallen2984 exactly
A difficult choice. If I could choose any vintage Ferrari it would be the Dino. But the looks of this Spider also hold a special place in my heart. And the fact that it's not a Ferrari is an advantage in my book.
That’s a big call, there’s the 250gto however the jag etype and Lamborghini Miura are up there.
@@iamthebroker agreed. I think we all have taste. My top 4 for sure.
Fabulous car! Great video Jack, always loved Fiat Dinos, what a special one this is!
What a great video, we loved the story , thank you Jack. 👍🏼
Well done. Such a beautifully proportioned car with a great sounding engine. Thank you.
Another interesting topic and car choice. Executed in perfect Pegararo style.
BRAVISSIMO 👌🏻❤️
Another Italian beauty! Looks fun to drive!
Beautiful looking, beautiful sounding. What a car! You are clearly having a lot of fun.
You can pick up a decent Fiat Dino Coupe for around £50k which seems remarkable value compared to the Ferrari. I have my eye on a 130 Coupe - more in my price range!
I remember when the 130 coupe came out. I was blown away by it then and still am. Late 60s and early 70s Fiat's were stunning. The little 850 convertible of that time was another gem I'd love to own.
great yarn, but have to say I much prefer the Fiat Coupe, rather than the spider.
The engine sounds great. Not sure if I like the headlight placement, but it's got nice curves in other areas.
I love all Dino's. I'm in shock after seeing the asking price for Mike Morrises book. I spent a brilliant afternoon talking to him at his house and he signed the copy I have. We took his Dino for a blast, but I recall him talking more about the 911 Targa he had as his everyday car.
Fiat Dino’s are such good looking cars! I remember I first ever saw one on wheeler dealer in that same blue colour as the spider you’ve got there Jack and I thought wow I love that car! ……. Cracking video as always bud 👍
Thank you chap!!
It was my old coupe used on the intro of that episode. I have a black Dino Spider now.
@@prileydrums How cool is that! I’m pretty sure Mike bought a blue one? He traveled to France or Italy to buy it if I remember correctly 🧐
@@ryanmccormick2150 yep, they bought a blue coupe in Italy. They wanted to feature a well sorted example and used mine, now sadly long gone.
Great video, I really enjoyed it! Only thing we miss is those pajamas. Those were a bit iconic, to be honest.
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Nice car, good purchase. The blue look almost like a 70's z-28 color, its pretty nice Congrats!🤠
Even though I'd take a 246 every time I do appreciate seeing and learning about this car. Thanks.
Fiat is crap
Great video (as usual). A great set of facts about a little'-known classic.
Thank for watching Steve!!
The coupe (Bertone) is nice too.....that's what the bad guys drove in The Italian Job....and my dad had one back in the day.
Both a very under-valued and not properly appreciated car. But I'd prefer a proper 246 Dino
I love the Fiat Dino! The first spider I saw was Kevin McLeods at a Bristol Italian car festival about 4 years ago, that had a similar colour. The Fiat Dino I would want to own is the 2.4 litre Coupe.
The Ferrari Dino 246 GTS keeps me up at night.
A very rational evaluation of the Ferrari Dino 246 vs the Fiat Dino and you make some good points, but I know what I'd rather see in my garage.
My Uncle in Malaysia owned a right-hand-drive 246GTS for a good many years. It was in good working condition, if a little sweaty to travel in because of the Malaysian climate. In 1996, he decided to offer it for sale at the Malaysian equivalent of about 60 grand sterling. Nobody wanted it! Absolutely no one! It took him ages to find a buyer. Some time after it was finally sold, the values went stratospheric!!
It sort of reminds me of the Toyota 2000GT...an everyday name you wouldn't really associate with some of the grandest cars...it looks amazing..
Beautiful car and a great video always love your reviews so interesting. I’ve always loved the Ferrari 246 Dino but this Fiat is special.
Have you tested the Fiat 130 coupe?
Yes, this was it what I always want to have when I owned my two 124 spiders. Lovely.
like your style once again thanks .great video
I find the front end design a bit of an acquired taste. The Bertone version (coupé) is prettier, as I think it's a perfect match of the boxier style with some elegant curves. Great to see this rare car though.
Beautiful car!!! Thankyou so much for another interesting video. Cheers Andrew 😊🌈
It’s all in the eye of the beholder but the Ferrari gets my vote, reminds me of a fair few years back when a friend against my advice ignored a Dino for 50k, and then an F40 for 300k, I remind him of those two mistakes often 😂
Excellent video and beautiful car! Can you give us an update on the 308?
Coming soon!
Most beautiful car design ever!!!😍
A masterpiece of Pininfarina!
Thank you for showcasing this car.
The FIAT Dino spider has aged much better than the FIAT Dino coupe, to my eyes. Thanks for reminding me of these lovely creations.
The Dino Coupe is closer to an Aston Martin DBS
What a great looking car,lovely colour too.
The Fiat Dino is a great looking but aethsestically the 246 wins hands down, all in my very humble opinion, of course. Excellent video as always.
I personally like the Fiat Dino Coupe than the spider, but I must agree the Ferrari Dino definitely wins regarding aesthetics. I could spend the entire day staring at one ;)
@@germanguywithjumpercables7955 so could I :)!
What a great gesture of the owner, so you could share the story. Mamma mia!
...or free advertising.
Who wouldn't love the little fiat underdog? First car I ever drove was a 127 900cc
Loved the color. But once you said silver...
Gawd, what a beautiful machine! Thanks Jack. 👍
Another superb vid! Thanks.
A very pretty convertible Jack, Fiat have built, in the past, some very beautiful cars.
well trained Professional car salesman
I like the 246 more simply because of the way it looks, but I'd happily own either one.
Hope you can get a coupe version as well.
The Fiat would be all the buzz at a Ferrari social gathering.
Truly beautiful car and has a wonderful personality thank you for another surprise @
The Fiat Dino always been a wonderful car..love it. Thank you for the video
With this V6 sounding so good it makes me wonder why other V6s don't sound nearly as good as this.
I’d actually say a Busso does, if not better
@@mattbettany1174 Busso and this might be the exceptions to the V6 rule yeah.
Then again on some VQs I like the burble they have but it's definitely rare to hear a well judged/set up one
Different sort of sound altogether
Very lucky to drive that. The history of a car can make it so much more special than it being what it is
Driven a few dinos about 15 years ago when they were £40k. Thought they were crap to be honest.. but a 512bb carburettor car .. yes give me one of those
Jack it looks absolutely beautiful you would think it was a Ferrari it's design is far better especially for the year it was made
The Miata nd seems inspired by the Fiat Dino. I love the raised fenders! I drive a 2018 Miata nd, and those fenders are my favorite design aspect.
I love these cars, thanks for the video!
Nice one Jack. At a recent auction site, I did note that the big Fiat V6s looked like bargains Vs Alfa 105's let alone Ferraris
That’s true for the Fiat 130 coupe/sedan with its 3.2L V6, but alas not for the Dino coupe and Spider. These cars are now generally for sale between $100-300k plus. 105 Alfa GTVs generally sell for between $40-100k. Naturally there are the odd exception to these price range, but condition, originality, low mileage etc all play into this part of the equation.
@@1240enzo Yes, I meant the 130 but couldn't remember their model reference. Wow, I didn't know the Fiat Dino's had gone up so much.
@@seancain7305 No worries Sean. Yes, from my perspective I am disappointed that the Fiat Dinos have gone so far up in price to be well beyond my means or even dreams of having one. I missed the boat. Top condition 130 coupes and sedans are also on the rise out here in Oz let alone probably Europe and the UK. Out here now the best coupes are around $60k and sedans over $30k !! I had a sedan some years ago, sold it for next to nothing. My brother has a couple of 130 coupes and sedans. Over the years i have owned 5 x 105 series Alfa’s, Giulia’s (still have one), Berlina and a ‘69 S1 1750 GTV. Sadly i sold my GTV some years ago for $6500, it needed work but was very sound. I can’t afford a GTV anymore as they have become too expensive.
Bernard Cahier was the head of IRPA, International Race Press Association. I was the last person to join IRPA and as soon as I had given Cahier the ‘dues’, he closed IRPA down . . .
By that, time press credentials were being handled by FOCA.
wonder how much this video applies to the fiat dino coupe or is that another thing again in terms of dynamics...
As the years go by some earlier Ferrari’s become far more valuable I owned several Ferrari’s that were not expensive in their day. But today you could buy Fort Knox with them...sadly I sold them years ago Berlinetta Boxer 512 as an example I also owned a Lamborghini Contach 5000s... Sold it for £30,000 Today that particular car is heading for the £ 500,000 mark. But who knew back then !
Calm down from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia and in California and New York too
I don't disagree with anything you say. However, I would have the Ferrari any day. Not only is it one of the prettiest cars ever, it's also the first Ferrari I ever got to have a ride in when I worked as an apprentice for a Ferrari dealer when I was sixteen. I utterly adore it.
Thanks Jack, a great car to be out in!
It’s lovely car and well reasoned argument. The only niggle is that the headlights don’t sit particularly well, they look a bit goofy to my eye. I drove a 246 the year I passed my test so I wasn’t qualified to compare it but naturally it blew me away and started my love of Ferrari.
There no arguing the 246 is a better looking car! Thanks for watching Nick!
@@Number27 PS driving test passed 1975
The sitting position in this car would be perfect for me. I have very short legs, so short that I could not push the clutch in an early Countach!
I may be an idiot, but I preferred the Bertone Coupe design to the Pininfarina Convertible. It looks really like the small sibling of the Iso Grifo, a car that in my opinion is among the top five car designs of all times.
Where is the video of the back of the car??? Beautiful!
It definitely has Fiat finishes of that era. It reminds me of the 124 spider.
Good choice, I would select the Fiat over Brand F as well. Beautiful car.
I remember in Melbourne in 1990, I saw a 246 advertised for $19,000 AUD
I was also concerned when the rain came on, I could hear the car dissolving as you drove along🤣....those cars rust like no other, if this one lived in California that would be a clue to its survival, hopefully the British owner has gone through the car with a wax-oil lance because they didn't get any rustproofing at the factory.
Great contentThank you.
The 206/246 were never, officially, badged as Ferraris. Back in the late seventies, a friend had an ally bodied 206 in right hand drive, apparently, they only ever made two and his was the sole survivor, he was only an ordinary mechanic and I don't think he knew what a rarity he had so he sold it for six grand!
Only thing that boils my piss, a Dino wearing Ferrari badges or that poncey prancing horse!. Someone must have a fragile ego to put the badges on what Enzo wanted to be a tribute to his son so, a DINO not a FERRARI. Putting the wrong badges on is like pissing on Dino's grave, shame on these sad people!!. The 206 / 246 Dino is much too beautiful to be a Ferrari.
Ahhhhhh! If only there was a time machine!
@@kevinparker461 Enzo initially didn't want a car with less than 12 cylinders, but his top executives convinced him to do it as Porsche were doing well with their new 911 & Ferrari were in financial difficulty at the time (which was almost always all the time). His only concession; not to badge it as a Ferrari. Selling a car like this in high volumes & at a reasonably low price could be profitable. It turned out to be a top seller for Ferrari, with more than 4,000 made. Designed by Pininfarina, built by Scaglietti, engine & transmission by Fiat. It was something of a first for Ferrari; their first mid-engined road car, their first high volume seller & their first & only car with a cast iron engine block.
I’ve been told that any Ferrari built Dino that was badged Ferrari was badged post manufacture. Beautiful cars.
Dream car!!!! Some day….soon!!!
The one reason I’d have to give it to the Dino, is because I prefer mid engine sports cars.
First viewer 👍blessings from Glasgow 🏴✝️🙏🇬🇧😇
You make some great, rational points and what a truly desirable classic this Fiat must be. However, the Ferrari wins hands down in the looks department.
I agree the Ferrari looks prettier!!
And the (bertone) Fiat Dino 2400 Coupe too
One of my friends was given a 246 Dino by his dad when he passed his driving test at 17. They were not as expensive then as they went on to be. It was quite a car.
Wow… what a car to have as your first!!
@@Number27 I know. They were pretty well off!
Gordon was this in Sydney Australia by any chance?
@@johnmcdonald1647 No, here in Scotland.
They sound amazing
Can see where Toyota 2000 & Nissan Z got some of their inspiration.
Hey Jack, how about a 1970-ish Maserati Ghibli Spyder (not the coupe). It looks like the big brother of this one (which is a gorgeous car, BTW). I know there are a few in the UK, even though there are only 125 in existence.
The other one I’d like to see is the Bora.