What To Do After a Shooting: The First Five Minutes | Personal Defense Network
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In this extended video, PDN Contributor and legal expert Marty Hayes addresses how people should handle the immediate aftermath of a critical incident. Topics include how to notify the authorities, how not to be shot by responding officers, what to expect while you are detained, what to say during that time, and much more. - Sport
I was told by my lawyer that when calling 9-1-1 after shooting in self defense only to give your name, location, description, and that you were the victim of a crime, i.e. been attacked/mugged/raped, that there has been a shooting, and to ask them to send police and an ambulance. Do NOT admit you shot someone. He also said to contact him while I am waiting for police to arrive. When police arrive you should have the firearm, cleared and in the holster if possible, on the ground in front of you along with your identification and attorney's card. When questioned you should say, "Officer, I am willing to cooperate 100%, but I would like my attorney present before I answer any questions, just to make sure that nothing I say can be taken out of context. I called him and he said he would meet me (here/at police station)" My attorney did say to point out any witnesses to police for them to question, but that I should answer no questions and give no statements on what happened without my attorney present. He said there will be plenty of time to go over the events in question with police, but not to do it on the scene. Especially since you will probably be in shock and not be able to remember what you should and shouldn't say.
Semper Fi
Rob Siciliano
Something less wordy could be something like, "I want to cooperate, but I would like to talk to my lawyer first." If you need one provided then tell them so, if you already have one tell them you need to call him (which you should have already).
You aren't asking the officer for permission, you are telling them not to question you without your attorney. You are notifying the officer that you have just invoked your 5th Amendment rights. Once you request the assistance of an attorney, police are prohibited from questioning you later without your attorney. In other words, you have the right to have an attorney present during the first, and any subsequent, talks with police. Just remember, you are innocent until they can prove you are guilty of something, don't do their job for them.
I'm not a lawyer so you should definitely talk to one yourself if you have any plans to own a firearm, or any weapon for that matter, for home defense or self defense. Its always good to know that you have a lawyer you can call if you need them, and have a way to reach them at any time if something should happen.
Semper Fi
This sounds almost exactly what was told to us in my CCW training class. My instructor was retired swat and we were lucky enough to have a defense attorney going through our class getting his CCW. The two most important things they tried to tell us was, you need to make a good decision when to use you firearm because you can't take the bullet back. The second thing is you can't take back what you say to the police.
Papa Bravo you should print that up in an ebook and sell it, great advice....hooah!!!
Thanks for the heads up bro, that’s big help for someone with no my much experience on these type of situations
Man defending your own life is complicated.
Unfortunately it can be complicated. Get training on your state's laws. If in doubt, speak to an attorney. Check out USCCA who has a very good legal defense insurance to protect you.
Right?! I'm afraid that if ever in this situation, I might hesitate to shoot for that reason. Hopefully I wouldn't, but that kind of scares me more than the actual shooting.
LMB9888 beats the alternative
LMB9888 nnhn
yup costly too, the "legal system" so called is rigged against the innocent citizen.
my attorney said not to say anything and immediately call him. I'm going to take my attorney's advice.
your attorney is smart
Agree
Defenetly!
Same here.
Your attorney wants you to call them because your paying them for their time. Not because they care if you are guilty or not.
The advice in this video goes against EVERYTHING I was told. After reading the other comments, I agree that the ONLY thing you should say is, "Officer, I will answer all your questions just as soon as my attorney is by my side."
You must remember that it is NOT in your best interest to worry if the officer is happy, sad, or pissed at you. He isn't the one who can file charges. Making him happy will almost certainly give the man with the power to take away your freedom ammunition to use against you.
He may not directly "file" the charges but the officer is very much in a position to present evidence and testimony and submit those charges to the prosecutor.
+John R Agreed. It will be treated as hearsay instead of used for you. These clowns are propagandists.
kdw75 Exactly! Most people relate to cops as child-to-parent. The cop is not your daddy. He's a government employee whose job it is to put people in cages. Trying to convince the cops of anything is pointless and dangerous.
the best reason to never say a word to him.
Wrong, of course the officer is the one who will file charges against you.
Say as little as possible; just a bare bones, factual timeline - I was attacked, I was in fear for my life and I had no choice but to defend myself, and yes, request an ambulance and sound genuinely concerned about the attacker. Inform the police that you need an ambulance, call your attorney and say nothing until he/she is present.
Great advice!!
Don’t say anything.
@@hextikwilliams1494 The Miranda rights do include the verbiage "Anything you say or do CAN and WILL be used against you." The police are not your friends in that situation.
I was trained by Marty in the late 90s at the police academy in Washington State. He isn't just an attorney, he is a firearms expert and law enforcement officer.
When questioned by any law enforcement official in any situation, just remember these two rights you have:
1) You have the right to remain silent.
2) You have the right to an attorney.
Please! Exercise these rights!
The problem is a good attorney will cost you your house, car, and life savings if any--and if you're found guilty, then not only do you go to prison for years, but when you finally get out then you're drowning in debt and have no recourse but to commit suicide.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Get CCW coverage, how’s that ?🙄
@@Colt-ii4qn I'm Canadian, we have no such thing.
Also, if you're in the USA and have CCW insurance, does it also cover defensive shootings that don't involve concealed carry? For example, a stalker comes into your home and you blast him with your shotgun or a rifle, not a weapon you were carrying concealed. Does it cover the legal defense for that?
NO ONE is gonna be in their right mind after something like this, especially if it's the first shooting they've been envolved in. The
Adrenaline will be pumping and they may even be hysterical. Suggesting trying to explain what happened to police under those circumstances may be the one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. When ur standing there in shock or at the very least hyped up on adrenaline the odds you forget some details or misspeak go up. What these guys are saying is BS, the cops are gonna look at you as the guilty party no matter what you say so just STFU and wait for a lawyer. When has the accused's statement EVER gotten them out of trouble? NOTHING you say will get you out of it but what you say can and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. At the end of the day the only thing that will get you out of it is the evidence. So make sure there is a REAL threat before you pull ur weapon. The way I see it is unless they have a weapon and are an imminent threat don't shoot. I'm sure the cops will have no trouble figuring out what happened if some dude you don't know is lying dead on your floor with his 9mm layin next to him. Take away the 9mm and now you got problems.
the Miranda is " anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law"
The first thing I’m going to care about is whether or not both parties, the officer and myself, are physically safe because neither one of us can problem solve if either one of us are in fear of our lives.
Secondly, Rob is wrong. The last thing I’m gonna care about is whether or not you’re comfortable with me protecting myself by saying less to you. I’m going to say what I need to activate the constitutional protections that I am afforded and that’s it.
Police officers give the worst advice to civilians because they want to know what happened instead of doing the investigation for themselves. Police officer unions tell police officers don’t say anything and ask for a union rep when they get into a shooting but will tell you to tell them everything.
If you word it correctly, you have up to 24-48 hours (from my understanding from classes and outsourced Handgun lawyers from those classes) to make a statement/meet with your lawyer to properly discuss what and how to disclose it. Esp in a situation after your in an elevated emotional state. give yourself time to calm down and recollect what happened
EVERYTHING you say WILL be used AGAINST YOU in a court of law.
Its your right to not say anything. No matter what the cop thinks if your guilty.
The only thing you should say is “officer I know you are just doing your job, but I am a victim of a crime that I had to use self defense, and I don’t feel comfortable proceeding until my lawyer shows up”.
My attorney has also told me NOT to say a damn thing until he is present at the precinct. You're adrenalin will get the best of you if you're not used to being in high stress situations and if you talk, you may say something that can be used to incriminate you later.
The best advice this guy gave is "Say NOTHING."
Always assert your rights, always know your rights. Always ask for an attorney and NEVER TALK TO POLICE!
First two thinks right, third not.
REALITY CHECK----------During a shooting ALL police tape record what you say (ALL the time) meaning with their personal tape recorder and body camera recorder also.............
I suggest in my opinion, you identify yourself as the VICTIM that had to defend yourself from fear of deadly bodily injury etc......Carry a laminated card with you (online) how to stay LEGALLY safe! Your blood pressure will over take common sense questions, any facts should be answered by your ATTORNEY.
Remember, you can be charged with multiple crimes if your innocent, HOWEVER, if your NOT convicted in a court of LAW it means ZERO! I highly suggest you carry that laminated card with you on how to answer a police follow up regardless if your found innocent or guilty by on scene POLICE!
If you are educated from a Police mindset or an attorney etc than perhaps you can give a few details like your name, ID etc.........Dont build a story (which might be used against you later) even though initially your were not arrested!
Never, say anything once your charged or arrested----------------They think you BROKE the law! Anything you say on a cell phone while in police car can be recorded also, along with talking with police in general!
Police can LEGALLY lie to you when fact finding! Most people dont know this LAW! If your scared, you will under react etc, and when you are in police custody they will video record everything. If placed into a jail cell, EVERyone is considered to be an ENEMY- meaning a detective can pose as a inmate and get a confession etc.......BEAWARE!
Lawyer up, sign nothing, say nothing! Have a GREAT attorney!
Refusing to talk to the police (right to remain silent) is considered an admission of guilt and will be used against you in court. "He was hiding everything from me, your honor."
@@devilsoffspring5519 SCOTUS would appear to agree with this, unless you say something like I am invoking my 5th amendment right. Then the courts probably would not allow that testimony.
@@EthosAtheos Which side are the courts on, though? Remember, they're still a part of the judicial system, and their primary objective is to get a conviction, because that's how they feel powerful.
If you're an innocent citizen and you shoot and kill a cop that's stalking and harassing you, do you really think the courts will find in your favor? Even if the cop has a lifelong history of stalking, harassment and even rape? That's not how the system works. It recognizes pecking orders, first and foremost. Not innocence or guilt.
If you're going to defend yourself in court after killing an attacker, you better be a doctor with a huge estate or a businessman with 10,000 employees and a fleet of private jets, not a plumber or machinist with an old car and a small apartment to his name.
I asked my Uncle (a career cop) about this and he said he would hold everyone and let someone else sort it out. I can understand why I would say I have been attacked and would request that I wish my attorney present before I make any further statement. The law is not so clean as this, and cops are on an adrenaline rush as well. Expect to spend time in lock up.
Welcome the police when they arrive - "Thank goodness you're hear" or "I'm glad you're here".
I was the victim of this guy with the bat. I want to press charges against this guy for..... (robbery, assault, etc.). I thought he was going to kill me. It doesn't matter if the perpetrator is deceased or not. These statements reinforce that John or Jane Public is a good person reporting a violent crime that was stopped by using force. Tell police, "I want to help you sort this all out but I need to collect myself...." Then let them know you will get with your attorney and provide a full description of the events so this can be handled correctly.
I'm a little spooky about "eye witnesses". What they think doesn't matter. Most folks walk around clueless of their surroundings. What matters is that you the victim, being a reasonable person believed that you were in immediate danger of being killed or seriously injured. That's not up for debate by "eye witnesses" and "arm chair quarterbacks" whose lives weren't nearly snuffed out. That is your right to self defense by force.
"the first 5 minutes summarized in 15 minutes." just busting your balls guys. good information, i appreciate it.
My first inclination was to object to some of the points made here. But, listening CAREFULLY to the end of this presentation has illustrated the true situation. This is a important video to anyone who might injure some one else for any reason.
When the shooting stops, YOU ARE *STILL DEFENDING YOURSELF!*
After the police secure the scene, including securing your firearm, they will most likely have you in handcuffs. The only thing you should say to them is something to the effect of "Sir or ma'am I intend to cooperate with you, but I would like to speak to an attorney before I say anything else". Be courteous and try not to sound insincere or like your statement is practiced. Remember that what you say as well as your mannerisms will be used as evidence in court.
At this point they may arrest you. But they will most likely take you to the station to allow you to speak to an attorney. The attorney will then make a statement for you and they will decide how to proceed from there.
The biggest thing to remember is that police are neither your friend or enemy. Never make any statement to them without advice of legal counsel. I have the utmost respect for Rob Pincus but he is wrong about this.
what if you can't afford an attorney?
+MannyFresh You'll get a public defender. Which isn't ideal, but is better than talking to the police by yourself. Also remember that police don't always have to read you your rights the second they put you in handcuffs, or ANY time they question you, like in Hollywood.
In order for them to be required to read your rights there must be 2 elements involved. You have to be in custody, and be questioned. Without going into too much detail, if a cop puts you in handcuffs and in the back of his car, any reasonable person would believe they are in custody. But if he already has enough evidence and probable cause to arrest you, and doesn't need to ask you any questions, he can arrest you without reading your rights. Because you're in custody but he's not questioning you.
Where this would affect most people in a self defense shooting would be where they are being questioned by police, but not in custody. One very common tactic police use is to wait a day or two, call the person
+Jimmy Nix involved and ASK them to come down to the police station to "review some information about the case". It sounds very informal and puts the person at ease, thinking the police are on their side. When the person gets to the police station the police put him at ease and tell him he is free to go at any time. That makes it a voluntary encounter with the police, therefore they don't have to Mirandize him. He's completely off guard, prone to say anything to police, and EVERYTHING is admissible in court.
Sorry if I'm rambling, but just remember to NEVER make ANY statement to police except under legal counsel. Also remember that should never be seen as a sign of guilt by the police. If they make any statements to the effect of "Well that's not necessary" or "That's just going to make you look like you have something to hide" get his name and document the day and time. Your attorney can use that in court.
+Jimmy Nix ,Thanks Jimmy for the information, since I live in California I have to kind of research these types of predicaments, since our gun laws are pretty anal. tbh if any one enters my house I'm putting a buckshot thru them no questions asked, I have warning signs around my house stating," Never mind the dog , Beware of owner" so they were warned. I have children living with me so I take no chances. Thanks
+MannyFresh While you're certainly legally justified, even in California, I think ethically and tactically you should rethink your philosophy. There are many situations where someone may break into your house, and it's not always with the intent of causing harm to you. For example, my neighbor's teenage son is severely autistic and one time I left my door unlocked and found him in my house. It was when they had first moved in and I didn't know them. Another situation would be (and I know a lot of people would disagree with this) where someone breaks into your house and just wants to steal property. The repercussions of killing a neighbor's kid over a TV will stay with you forever.
I would highly encourage you to read Rob Pincus' book on armed home defense. I bought it for like $10 at Walmart. It will really change your mind on evading vs confronting. Even if you don't agree ethically, consider the tactical advantage. Bad guys have guns too, and they have a phenomenon on
This is a much more common sense approach than all the other "clam up, shut up" videos out there. While I agree that the less you say the better (particularly after you are under arrest) I believe that certain initial statements would benefit you. Examples might include:
"His two armed buddies are still in that car over there."
"His weapon slid into that storm drain."
"That fellow that's walking away had a phone out and held it up like he was filming everything."
"I have a heart condition and I'm feeling tightness in my chest. I need to go to an emergency room."
Years ago when I was a fighter pilot, the joke was that "the first guy to the blackboard wins" any dogfighting training debrief. This is obviously different and much more serious, but if possible, I think it is beneficial - in as few words as possible - to clearly establish that you are the victim. Cops are supposed to write up their reports in a fair, non-judgmental style, assuming nothing and simply stating the facts. But they are human, and their observations can be colored by their personal perspective on what happened, inserting a tone (and maybe some assumptions) into their initial reports that will follow into the ensuing investigation.
One problem many people will experience after a shooting will also be experienced during later questioning and certainly at trial - they don't know when to just shut up. If someone in authority, be it a cop or a prosecutor, asks you a question and you answer, and then they remain silent indicating that they are waiting for more info, shut up and let them deal with the awkward silence. Same with the speed and tone of their questions - when they pretend to get all excited and start talking faster and louder (a common tactic in court), take a breath and try to answer in a calm, collected manner. You are not required to follow their emotions, although that's what most of us do, particularly us married folks.
Worse advice EVER. I don't know if it's intentional, but these guys are going to get justified shooters thrown in prison. Did they get this advice from Eric Holder?
Well look at it this way, you have a lawyer and an ex-cop giving you this advice...what do you think!
These guys must have gone to Voda Consulting.
They should listen to Bill Barr instead. His job is to cover up for criminals and make up lies to get them off. That's the kind of lawyer you want!
can't agree with this one. your all pumped up, stressed out, freaked out, and YOU give an inaccurate statement, or misuse one SIMPLE word! And you just convicted yourself all by yourself. ANYTHING you say can and will be used AGAINST you!!!
I tend to agree, I'd rather be detained and even arrested than make mistakes that will be taken down and can be used against me. Even if you say you shot twice, and in fact you shot four times but don't know because you are pumped full of Adrenalin, this can be used against you. Same thing with where you were and where the bad guy was, or what you or he said right before the shooting. Or anything going to your state of mind, etc.
David Sanford pat. Connell
Pat Conde
About right.
My about right comment was in response to John R
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in accordance to the law. - Miranda rights.
I'm a retired police officer , DONT SAY ANYTHING !
NO ONE AGREES ON ANYTHING!
IF 🧑🏾🦱👩🏾🦱🧔🏾🧓🏾👨🏾🦳👨🏽🦱🧑🏾or POOR , WE ARE SCREWED , MOST of the TIME
Right and don't let them unarmed you either. Right?
@@samreynolds3789 yes when you figure out it is A spiritual battle. Violence among men
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities against spiritual wickedness in high places against the rulers of darkness on this world. Therefore put on the whole armor of GOD
@@samreynolds3789 boo hoo. I'm a victim. Get out of that headspace
@@samreynolds3789 not true. It may seem that way because poor and people of color talk too much in most cases.
There is NOTHING you can say to a cop that will stop impending suspicion. The cops questions are specific for the purpose of convicting you of a crime. Cops are not in the business of proving you innocent EVER! Don't talk to the cops. This has bad advice.
+BikerBry I think you're right in that when suspicion is impending, it's becoming time to STFU.
The video doesn't really do the subject justice, but once you admit to shooting someone (which you've done when 911 was contacted in many situations) you do need to establish the evidence for *why* you shot someone.
I did not shoot the kid that broke into my house, but I did hold him at gunpoint and threaten to kill him. The kid told the first responder that he had come to buy dope and was robbed. While he was giving that story from the back of the car, I was showing an investigator his method of entry, pointing out the tool marks on and that the windows were relatively new, etc...
If I would have shot him, that would probably had been the kind of the end of the cooperation - giving information that gets critical evidence recorded but little (or nothing) else. Your statements themselves cannot help you but can hurt you. They can, however, direct police to evidence that you will need later.
Every situation is different and a lot would be at stake. My personal opinion if you feel objectively justified:
1. Call 911 and report the crime first (I was robbed) then the action. (I had to shoot). Do not wait for the dispatcher to ask you that question. The call is recorded everywhere and the recording will be played in court.
2. After telling them you shot someone, say the words "They may still be armed" + whatever weapon if any they had. "His gun is laying on the ground but I think he may still be armed." Do not admit on the phone if you've come to realize he was unarmed. Just say, "He may still be armed, I'm not certain." At all costs, you want to keep alive uncertainty about the person being armed unless you see his gun laying out on the ground or something.
3. On the phone, inventory the people who are with you. "Honey, where are the kids, are they safe?" If the other person calls, you want to do that as well -- loudly enough where it will be recorded. Interrupt the call if you have to.
4. Ask for an ambulance for the person who was shot, then inventory your injuries on the phone. "We need an ambulance fast. I'm scared to check him right now. I'm not sure if I'm injured or not ." or "We need an ambulance fast. I'm scared to check him right now. He stabbed me with a knife, but I'm not sure if it's serious." or "I'm scared to check him right now. I'm bleeding badly, we need EMT fast." Do not admit to being uninjured. State your injuries of state uncertainty about being injured.
5. Identify yourself confidently to the dispatcher. "My name is Ronald McDonald. I'm 6'2" and wearing a yellow striped shirt. We are at 123 Main Street. Tell the police to hurry."
6. Tell the dispatcher what the police will find when they get there. "I'm in the living room, holding him at gunpoint. I'll put down my pistol when they get get here. Tell them to hurry."
Do *not* answer specific questions about the event over the phone. If you're asked a very specific question, say "Can you tell the police to hurry." or "Honey, check the kids to see if they're hurt." You don't want to contradict yourself with questioning over the phone.
Do *not* start making stuff up in the 911 call or exaggerating to point of inaccuracy. Prosecutors turn mistakes into lies every single day and juries hate people who lie to police.
Do *not* address anything about the victim or past crimes to the dispatcher. "That bastard picked the wrong house." will be turned into ill-will hatred or spite - which is second-degree murder and a big chunk o' time. "i'm tired of getting robbed" admits that you shot out of anger and not fear. That's murder.
Do *not* apologize about shooting the person. That will be made to look like an admission of mistake.
+BikerBry Kind of like I posted before, when police get there, you want to address report the crime ("He broke in my house"), express that he may still be armed and point out if he had *anything* that was weapon-like. "When I saw him he something in his hand. I guess it was that big screwdriver there. I though he was going to kill me." You want to show them whatever evidence needs collecting "Here's where he made entry. See those shoe prints by the window." or "He grabbed the door handle. I think he touched t he door here." You probably want to identify direct witnesses, because they may well not want to become involved. Here's the thing. Cops like being the one that finds evidence. The graveyard patrol cop finds all the evidence. That means he gets called to the work the next crime scene. That gives him an opportunity to kiss the detective's ass and get promoted. No matter what you think of cops in general, point out what needs to be brought up in court. If they find the gun two days later because you didn't cooperate, your jury may never hear about it or even dismiss it because it really wasn't there at the time of the event. Two days after Zimmerman shot Martin, they found what appeared to be a burglary tool in the bushes where he claimed Martin had disappeared. We will never know if it was there that night, because no one looked there.
Also, if you have injuries, photograph them at the crime scene if you have to do it yourself or ask the police to photograph them for you. The only reason we have photographs of Zimmerman's injury is because the neighbor did not want to do a face-to-face ID. In the Brown shooting, Ofc. Wilson -- with a couple of year's experience in policing -- did not have injury photos taken because of the concern over crown control. He was taken to the hospital, washed and treated - then photographed. Do not allow anyone to wash away blood that had not been photographed.
When it becomes question time, I wold follow Ayoob's advice and say "Listen, I know you have an investigation to complete. I also understand this is a serious matter I want to cooperate. Let me call my attorney/get an attorney and I'll answer every question you have tomorrow." The police already know your attorney will not let you do that. Hell, he probably knows that *you* know that. No matter how unfavorable a court you face, though, a judge can never allow testimony concerning invoking your right and you can do it in a way that doesn't make the cop get a boner for busting you.
The point for me is that if the shooting was objectively justified, you want evidence of that being collected without subjecting yourself to confusing or repetitive questions. If you murder someone, the chances are you won;t be smart enough to evade detection. Or maybe you will. That's an awesome gamble, though.
More then likely you will be going to jail. I was in fear for my life, is what I will say only
That was a lot of info, but very well expressed.
ya think of all the innocent people that have been thrown into prison, don't trust the police
But why divulge all those details as this legal expert is suggesting? That doesn't make any sense, because the law specifically states that "remaining silent" or not talking to the cops cannot be held against you in a court of law....never! A judge will admonish the DA, or declare a mistrial if you have to appear in court, if they mentioned that you were not cooperating or talking. Can't you just say that you were a victim of a crime and leave it that that? Have your attorney do the talking for you. Who cares what the cops "think" - your constitutional rights are more important than inconveniencing a police officer because he can't fill out his paper work on time.
+John R do you have the link to this video I'd like to see it.
Tampa123 you're 100% right .. years ago when I was struggling with drugs I got arrested big time , like facing up to 10 years . And when they threw me on the ground you shut your mouth , you can tell the officer to fuck him self if you really want lol.. but when they took me to the interrogation room they sat there trying to tell me I need to tell them everything and they were acting like oh you can go home I know that isn't yours , just tell us who you were bringing it to .. I never gave a statement . They got so mad they wouldn't let me get any numbers off my cell phone to write down to call in jail.. he wanted me to unlock my phone for him too lol so they could go threw it .. fuck them make them work for it . Obviously self defense is different completely , but talking to the cops is the same . They are trying to arrest you. They will act so nice and pretend to help you, and make it seem like if you tell them what they want to hear they will save you and if you don't you are fucked.. make them do your job and call your attorney .
Great advice recently here N NC a guy answers door during domestic & officer shots them immediately agree don't have gun N hand when Leo's arrive
"Interview" room? Why not call it what it is and say "interrogation" room??
its the same reason they don't call you a "suspect" and more, and instead call you "a person of interest"...
After a serious psychological trauma like a self defense shooting, making statements is the last thing to do. It is advisable to have an attorney make statements for you. If you confess to ANYTHING, guilty or innocent, the police WILL arrest you and let the jury decide the outcome. It is your right to remain silent at any time and doing so may prevent you from being arrested and charged (unless there are witnesses). Your silence is not an admission of guilt! However, let's not forget, ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN, AND WILL, BE HELD AGAINST YOU!. So what then? Tell the police, the sooner you get in touch with your attorney, the sooner you will be more than willing to cooperate and answer ALL their questions!
And when you say absolutely nothing, they may detain and arrest you based on what they observe at the scene, which may or may not be what actually occurred, and based on what they see. So saying some limited info is in your best interest, just say the basic, then keep from expounding. This person broke into my house (as an example) and threatened me and I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE. I will discuss it more once my attorney is here.
What if your not well off enough to have an attorney on hand?
"Live long and prosper" lol great video
Man, at a circumstance like that.
You Better Call Saul !!!!
Saul Goodman
Yeah, he'll show up after a year, just when you have almost forgotten about him and lose interest.
This is BAD advice. You are not under obligation to even remain at the scene. NEVER call 911 (plenty of bystanders will do that for you) -If you do, your voice will be played back over and over again (the statements you made in the heat of the moment with your adrenaline pumping and no blood to your brain - and you will be convicted by your own words, even if you are innocent, and even if the words you say are absolutely true and correct.) You leave, call your attorney, and follow his/her advice. Police use EVERYTHING you say AGAINST you. NOTHING you say will be used by the police in your defense. That's the way they work. The police are looking to put someone in jail. Don't let that someone be you. I saw an FBI agent admit under oath before a Senate sub committee that he framed a man - knew the man was innocent - but they had to arrest a bad guy. That man spent 30+ years in prison before the truth came out via dna. Don't say anything to police or anyone else, except to your attorney.
Negative!!! You want to be the first caller to 911, unless you have someone else with you to make the call. Name, Theres been a shooting, What you are wearing, Address of the scene if possible. SALLY, IT IS ILLEGAL TO LEAVE THE SCENE OF A CRIME IF YOU ARE INVOLVED!!!
Sally Francis you're correct for sure except don't leave the scene , that is illegal.. you have to wait there for the police .
How can it be illegal to leave the scene of a crime if you are the victim
Follow your advice and your helping to dig the hole for you.
ive used my gun 3times and I got home all 3 times! There were witness' and my gun was on top of my car slide back and the magazine was beside the gun! Long story short I was able to go home those nights,
I would say 99.9 percent of people don't already have an attorney.
There are services like us law shield that are affordable and available to represent you from the bang to the end
Mercury1955:
It doesn’t matter if you have an attorney or not! Tell them you want to “call your attorney” or that you will not say more “until I speak with my attorney.” The point is that you want them to THINK that you have an attorney on retainer! That will put them on edge and make them more careful with you, eh?
When you do call one and hire him or her, then that is your attorney! See? When you hire him is irrelevant! What you want to do is give them the impression that 1) you are not alone, and 2) that you didn’t just fall off the turnip truck!
Think about this and be very clear in advance!
Oh, and don’t forget to clam up! You have the right to remain silent!
CCW SAFE is very good insurance.
However, 99.9% of concealed carriers probably do have an attorney on retainer. US Law Shield is like 12-14 bucks a month or something. I don't remember. I just pay it.
@@gurkagurkadurka6688 Thank you for the information!
Remember that ALL jail phones are recorded!!!!
I absolutely agree. Limited info and know when to pull out of the conversation due to being traumatized.
Most people would be really visibly upset and nervous when cops get there
Good video thanks, but contains a lot of space for conjecture. I have a question for you though. Your guest attorney advised against having any sort of "script by the phone" as I think you stated. Which I think is probably sound, but what if you are a customer of a company that provides this type of insurance, and in order to get that phone number you have to pull that card from your wallet.? I ask because the insurance card actually may have what could be misconstrued as a script written on the back of it? I say script, it's more like a guideline but it is still similar to what was referenced as a script placed by the phone. And a second question that comes to mind, is carrying such insurance something that could be misconstrued, twisted and used against you in court, or are you better off without it for that reason? Because I could certainly see a prosecutor or a police officer going before The Grand Jury to seek charges because they were ticked off that you wouldn't talk to them by claiming your Fifth Amendment right? In most states only a police officer or a prosecutor can seek felony charges. Obviously there are too many comments to read all of them but I haven't seen anyone yet mention The Grand Jury. Anyway I'm sorry, wound up being a lot more than a question, so apologies for writing a book here. But I am interested to know what your guest attorney thinks about my comments and questions. Thank you
Wait a minute! This guy is supposedly a "legal expert" who at 1:36-1:38 says to tell the police "I just shot a guy...I don't know if he's dead"?!?!?!?!?
I would not trust this guy to give me change from a $1.00 on a $.50 purchase.
VERY bad advice!
Glenn, what would you have told the operator? Not that I am disagreeing.
I heard that part, they do make 90 grain in 9mm I have some in my Ruger right now... Telos + P's 90 Grain
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I really don't give a fuck if a cop thinks I'm guilty. That means nothing.
when i was arrested for a fine the officer read me my miranda rights. i did not say a thing after that and when i went in front of the magistrate he told the magistrate i was uncooperative so how can you win.
If I have a tourniquet or chest seal on hand and can potentially save the life of the assailant, should I attempt to treat them?
The situation when ex Cop talking to defence attorney about what to say or do is more than suspicious and contravercial enough to do not be the way and there is why to do not trust or to follow at all.
The first 30-45. Minutes after a shooting is the most critical time in the whole case. It lays the foundation that everything else in the case is built off of
Yes I agree
This is about the worst advise I've heard.
+Catch-22 we teach concealed carry classes in Illinois which is one of the toughest shall issue states there is. we have to cover 16 hours worth of content over 2 or 4 days. one of our teachers is a full time criminal defense lawyer and she knows her stuff. you never speak to the police without a lawyer because it will be used against you. Right after the encounter you will wont be thinking clearly so you'll want to go to the hospital and let yourself calm down. even police officers get two days to calm down after a shooting before they ask them any questions.
How is it going to hurt you to tell a cop something as basic as, "That man pulled a gun on me and told me he was going to kill me. His gun is laying on the ground right there. I think those two people over there witnessed the whole thing." This gives the cops a chance to preserve evidence that could exonerate you that they could otherwise miss. Unless, of course, it is questionable whether or not a threat of death or serious bodily injury ever existed. Then, by all means, shut up!
it does do a deep research and ask the right individual when it comes to using deadly force. buddy u would be surprise that its not what all people it should be when it comes to self defense or criminal trespass etc. one miscalculation and your world will turn upside down. there is always a warning or advice from people who knows well.been there done that kind of people.its this
"always assess and observe everything before deciding to use deadly force" with exception from law enforcement of course.
It doesn't matter if the police think you're guilty, your guilt has nothing to do with them. It's their job to secure the scene. If the police want to question you talk only when you have a lawyer present.
+portaccio good point; also keep in mind, you are innocent until proven guilty! 94% of court cases never go to a full trial because convicts or defendants plea out or the charges are drop. The US court system is a mess. I was arrested 6 years ago. The police officer lied repeatedly. a internal affairs investigator later told me they did not deny or dispute my account. My court case & charges were dismissed. no conviction.
Thank you. I'm not convinced of your point of view on the subject at this time, but thank you.
Any statements made to the police at the scene or in the police station goes to the prosecutors office. It will be used against you to boost his jury record if he gets you found guilty because you said the wrong things in the original reports. I would never take the advice of the lawyer above.
Here's my advice, " I'm happy to give you a full statement of the entire event with legal counsel present " if police cant be responsible and understand that then that sucks and maybe you go to jail that night but better he assume and suspect and be angry you arent talking right now than you talk to them without counsel present and any number of things can go wrong from that like the cop misremembers what you said or you slip up and say I was right here, no oh wait I was right there. Nothing good can come from talking, you cant talk your way out of charges but you absolutely can talk your way into them.
Whatever you do, make sure your lawyer knows gun law and how to defend it!!! Using the same strategy spoken here about talking to the police and not having a good lawyer, cost a friend, 5 years and 8 months of his life!!! You can look his story up on the internet. His name is Jason Dickey and he is from South Carolina!!! Be careful what you say and to whom you say it!!!
The officer isn't there to be your buddy.
They're there to try to convict you
Total BS. The cop is there to do his or her job and investigate the incident.
9 times out of 10 the officer is there to investigate a crime and collect evidence. He isn't there to be your buddy or to convict you.
That isn't really the truth. The police are there to collect eveadence of a crime if there actually was a crime committed and present it to the prosacuter. After that it's up to him/her if there is a crime to prosacute. A civil suit is always possible but isn't likely unless you are of substantial means that belong to you. The punk or his next of kin will go to an attorney and tell him/her all about it. The attorney will say absolutely you have a case. But sence your not suing an insurance company, I get a $20,000 retainer up front. Have you got $20,000? Even if the regular working/retired person that shot you did so in his/her car insurance doesn't cover this because it wasn't an accident. Yes there have been exceptions to this, some attorney may take the case to get free news media coverage or a law firm will give it to a Jr. Partner to get trial experience or some racial social justice group might want it, but that is the normal reality of the tourt system. Even if you are actually sued what will the plaintiffs recover? Juries are not always sympathetic to scumbag that attack innocent people. Both of your backgrounds will come out in court. Espesily if you've had some documented training their contention of reckless conduct and unnessisaery force is weak. The fact that the state declined to prosacute or a Grand Jury wouldn't indicate you works too. You can't stop someone from suing you, but that should not cloud you're judgement and cause to hesitate to defend your life. It's the most pressious thing you own. I've had two SCUMBAGS girlfriend and mother go to an attorney and say they were going to sue me. I invited them to try. That's as far as it got. I told both of their attorneys I'd make them testify in open court of their knowledge and compisitey in the act which makes them an exsessiery before the fact or a co conspiriter. So bring it on. Compering our backgrounds who do you think a Jury will find the most credible
thats what investigators are for and judges can make that decision.
REALITY CHECK----------During a shooting ALL police tape record what you say (ALL the time) meaning with their personal tape recorder and body camera recorder also.............
I suggest in my opinion, you identify yourself as the VICTIM that had to defend yourself from fear of deadly bodily injury etc......Carry a laminated card with you (online) how to stay LEGALLY safe! Your blood pressure will over take common sense questions, any facts should be answered by your ATTORNEY.
Remember, you can be charged with multiple crimes if your innocent, HOWEVER, if your NOT convicted in a court of LAW it means ZERO! I highly suggest you carry that laminated card with you on how to answer a police follow up regardless if your found innocent or guilty by on scene POLICE!
If you are educated from a Police mindset or an attorney etc than perhaps you can give a few details like your name, ID etc.........Dont build a story (which might be used against you later) even though initially your were not arrested!
Never, say anything once your charged or arrested----------------They think you BROKE the law! Anything you say on a cell phone while in police car can be recorded also, along with talking with police in general!
Police can LEGALLY lie to you when fact finding! Most people dont know this LAW! If your scared, you will under react etc, and when you are in police custody they will video record everything. If placed into a jail cell, EVERyone is considered to be an ENEMY- meaning a detective can pose as a inmate and get a confession etc.......BEAWARE!
Lawyer up, sign nothing, say nothing! Have a GREAT attorney!
------Oh and the card thing!!!!!!!!!!! Let me tell you when I was driving a police officer pulled me over for driving a new car with paper tags etc........the police officer asked me were I was going.......? I said for a drive, he said where to....? I said on the street, he said where on the street..? I said did i break a law and was i being detained as i explained that my cell phone was broad casting him live on social media-------he asked me to turn it off and I said NOPE! The police officer said he got another call and ran away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Know your rights!!!!!!!!!!!!! Video record everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially, when dealing with the POLICE...............they dont want a jury or attorney general to be aware they are breaking the laws themselves that citizens can be made aware of!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As long as the police has your physical description and a brief idea of the incident ahead of time...and you're fully cooperative (w/o describing the whole incident..attempting to)...gun is on the ground away from you//magazine not in the gun....and as calm as you can be. Maybe only giving them your name which should match what the dispatcher has. Then clam up. Request a lawyer. Especially if they arrest you immediately. If that is their procedure. Even if not charged. If they want to cuff you let them. Don't panic and start fighting them "...but I'm the victim!! Let me GO!! I have rights!!".
Probably take the typical civilian a few days to clear their head to get their facts right. If t hey can remember them. Right after the shooting our adrenaline will be going "250 mph"....might even vomit...maybe we're in so much shock we can't even talk...put our our ID in front of us even...next to our gun (used in the incident) 10 feet from us but near us.
I don’t know but all insurances tells you not to say anything until your attorney is with you. Even police tell other officers to go an sit in the car and to to comment anything to anyone, and even before talking they take a couple of day just to calm down and get their thoughts together.
Thank God this man is my attorney
I´m curious. How can "This guy broke into my home, he pointed at me with his gun, so I shot him" be used against you?
BTW, I have no idea about legal stuff.
Thank you!
How? One example is you shoot him...he goes down and gun flies into the next room...you then standing over him and empty your clip to ensure he doesnt get up...threat was neutralized when he went down and gun flung away. Thats an example you requested...not being a troll. Point is you right to defend yourself ends when the threat is gone, stop shooting. Dont tell the cop "i had to make sure he was dead" happened more than you would think
This lawyer stated that the "90 grain bullet would make it a .380". That would be true until recently. You can now buy loads that are 90 grains and they could be 9mm, 10mm, 40 S&W.....
Conflicting information in this video from other attorneys on what happens, what to say right after the shooting..So who is correct...
Me interesan sus videos, porque contienen mucho material que ayuda a uno a adquirir nuevos conocimientos, pero quisiera que lo suban con la posibilidad de subtitulado en castellano para que gente que no ablamos ingles, pudiéramos apreciar mejor los contenidos volcados en los videos
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So would putting in aftermarket parts to your carry handgun not a good idea? I know a lot of people install things like the ghost trigger connector.
There are no laws regarding how heavy or light your trigger can be. I run a Glock 19 with a Glock OEM 4-lb connector. The reason I do that is so that if..... heaven forbid anyone has to use force to save a life - I do not want a heavy trigger pull to cause me to loose my aim and hit an innocent. I do it to make my weapon safer to use in case it has to be used.
A skilled prosecutor can twist anything you have done into intent to shoot people. Even the fact that you watched this video about what you should do after you shoot someone could be used against you.
Is that the guys from the movie Hackers!??! Lol
Thumbs Down: Despite the very well intentioned arguments of these men, this is an unfortunate dismissal of the 5th Ammendment during the initial minutes following a self defense shooting. That is not to say the 5th Ammendment should always be exercised - but certainly it should not be dismissed wholesale.
Exactly. Much better to be arrested and not convicted than buddy up with police as if they are all on your side and then get convicted. Respect the fact that they may have to arrest you, but anything you have said can be used against you, and you are in no state of mind to even know yourself exactly what happened. Anything that forensics show was in conflict with your account immediately after the shooting can be used against you. You say he was 12 feet away and forensics show he was 21 feet away and your defense could be harmed.
Perception is the rule, cops can lie to you they can twist what you say they can even manufacture evidence for the purpose of gaining information of even a confession from you so if they think you are guilty it doesn’t matter if you talk or don’t talk this being said it’s always good practice to say as little as possible
I don't really have "a lawyer", as I've never needed one for anything like this, so I wouldn't say "I need to talk to my lawyer", I would have to say "I need a lawyer". At that point, how does one research an available lawyer while under arrest?
Hornady does in fact make a 90 grain 9mm projectile.
It is for the .380 acp.
For all those saying to just remain silent - the US Supreme Court (in their wisdom?) have ruled in the 2010 case (Berghuis v Thompkins, 560 US 370, 382)
What to do after a shooting - what shooting ? What body ? What weapon ?
Tell The Officer that you will comply when your Attorney is present.
Keep your mouth shut.
These guy has NO IDEA what he is talking about.,
Never give the officer any information.
Be polite expect to be handcuffed .
But wait till your Attorney is present before you speak
AND LISTEN TO YOUR ATTORNEY NOT THIS CLOWN !
Not everyone has an Attorney, That handles a Self Defence Shooting etc.
NOT SAYING ANYTHING CANNOT BE HELD AGAINST YOU. DON't talk.
That's a misconception as well, if you ever have to testify on your own behalf they can then use that against you to make you appear guilty. In self defense trials you may often find it to be in your best interest to take the stand and explain to the jury over and over again with how bad you felt your life was in danger. Remember, prosecutors are some of the biggest scums to walk the earth, they are not there to seek the truth they are there to pad their conviction record, so be smart.
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You are so wrong!!!! This is such crappy advice.
I want to thank you for this. I’m an armed security supervisor and I find this information helpful to my officers.
And what about tricked out guns with the "punisher" logo, and hollow point bullets with threatening names? Personally, I go basic black edc and generic hollowpoints to avoid the accusation of being the guy that just couldn't wait to shoot someone.
Advice from a CPL class I took taught by a police officer:
First thing you do is call the police, report the crime and request an ambulance. Ask others to call police and medical help though they probably are already. When the police arrive holster your weapon if it is safe to do so (i.e. another attacker is waiting to pounce on you). Tell the police you are still armed and ask them what they want you to do though they will probably tell you right off. Tell police "I was in fear of my life and I had to defend myself".
You can point to the attackers knife, gun, club whatever. Point out witnesses. Tell the officer to please understand that you would rather not say anything else until your attorney is present. You will probably be in shock and very nervous and may easily say something stupid or get confused if you are cross examined on the spot.
Again you may be in shock but try to do as much of the following as you can. Remember it is already a very bad situation and can still get worse if you don't stay alert as possible.
There may be another attacker waiting to come at you so if you holster your weapon before police arrive you may have to pull it out again. Ask people to keep their distance from you if they look the least bit suspicious - tell them to back off. Don't stop anyone from aiding the wounded or dead attacker. You may have kick the weapon away from the attacker and stand by it. You may have to pick up the weapon but don't do it with your bare hands or smear any of the attackers finger prints if at all possible.
Make sure no-one tries to grab the attackers weapon and get it on video if possible if they try. They may be friend of the attacker or possibly involved. If they try to grab or steel the weapon (evidence) - stop them. Protect yourself. They may want to use it on you. If they come at you while you are stopping them - defend yourself.
BEFORE the police arrive take videos and pictures with your cell phone of the area, attacker, his weapons, onlookers and witnesses. Anything you say while the camera is running is evidence and they may confiscate your phone as such. There is no expectation of privacy in public areas so you don't need anyone's permission. Try to remember everything that happened.
You may have to hold your gun with one hand and your cell with the other. Tell them you are live streaming the video to the web even if you are not. You may end up have to put your phone in your pocket to keep it from being grabbed by someone else attacking you.
Try NOT to piss any onlookers off and say as little as possible. Keep repeating you were in fear of your life if you must talk. Don't say I was scared out of my wits, or anything that may infer you were not thinking as clearly and as reasonable as possible under the circumstances.
It is always better to be judged by twelve than carried by six . . .
That's my two cents on the subject.
To paraphrase Lincoln. -Better to remain silent and be thought a criminal than to open your mouth and have a cop and or prosecutor with an agenda twist your words to remove all doubt for a jury.
I believe that was Mark Twain, misquoted of course.
The guy with the red tie doesn't have a great handle on the hearsay rule.
At 4:39 he says that "if you call the dispatch and say, 'I have just been shot,' that is admissible under the excited utterance exception to the hearsay rule."
The problem with his line is that if the State is charging you with a crime, none of the statements you make to the police qualify as hearsay, so long as the Government is trying to use those statements against you. In fact, the excited utterance exception would be one of the few tools Defendants can use to introduce their own statements, without violating the hearsay rule.
Statements offered against a party opponent are non-hearsay. If you are charged with a crime, the government is your opponent. Therefore, none of the statements you have made, which the State wants to introduce against you, will be barred by the hearsay rule. However, if you are trying to introduce your own statements to the police, those statements would qualify as hearsay and your attorney would have to find an exception to justify introducing them at trial. A panic stricken phone call to the police following a self defense shooting is an exception to the hearsay rule where a Defendant would likely be allowed to introduce his own statement made to law enforcement, in order to prove that he is innocent. The State doesn't even need to look for an exception.
There are other laws which may bar the introduction of statements and confessions that you make to the police. The main one is that statements taken in violation of Miranda are inadmissible. This only happens when the police interrogate a suspect after he has been placed into custody.
Omg, I'm SO happy to live in Europe among other unarmed people. The stuff that is discussed here never even crosses our minds ...
Stefan Van pellicom battle field America,we are all trained killers
to all the intenet lawyers out there, this man has defended and been an expert witness for the defense in self defense cases for years. And works with Massad Ayoob, who has defended as an expert witness for nearly 4 decades. you need to read what actually happens in court, and how the system actually works, NOT how you THINK is should work. Read Andrew Branca, and Massad Ayoob. together have over 70 years of real life self defense, or affirmative defense, experiance. you can buy their books for the price of a box of ammo, "the law of self defense" "deadly force: understanding your right to self defense". Also you all should know, that everything you wright online is discoverable evidence and will be used by the prosecution to paint a very unfavorable picture of you to the jury. remember, it doesn't matter what you think, only what the judge and the jury thinks. Read up!
***** well then you should do more research because those cases are very real.
+John esparza Sorry but I respectfully disagree. There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE THAT YOU CAN TALK YOURSELF OUT OF TROUBLE, and since anything you say can be used AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW it only makes sense to allow your lawyer to make those statements. That's why they're paid the money they are paid.
Since they no longer mandate a civics course to graduate high school anymore, everybody needs to take a civics course or study the basic laws, such as use of deadly force in your state so you know facts, not just your uninformed opinion. Laws vary from state to state on self defense, such as some states are Stand Your Ground states and some are not. Can make a big difference. Plus, unless your a cop you have no duty to act and you have to be able to articulate why you did not take other action than shooting someone.
I've seen lots of these types of advice videos, but this one is the best.
Very helpful, thanks!
First you have to defend your life then you have to defend your freedom saving your life a few seconds saving your freedom years thats messed up
So if the victim/shooter says something to the police before they're mirandized, can that also be used in a court of law?
Makinja if they volunteer it before they are a supect, sure.
I'm confused. Isn't everyone a suspect till they figure out what happened?
Makinja no you moron, everyone is not a suspect. where do you get your nonsense?
Yes, absolutely.
"I was in fear for my life. Though I know I haven't committed a crime, I understand that it is in my best interest to say no more and let an attorney speak for me to ensure my rights and innocence are properly represented. I respect law enforcement immensely and am a law abiding citizen, so I hope that you can appreciate my concern."
End of your conversation.
So I looked up Mr Hayes bc I thought it odd they never presented him as an attorney but instead as a "legal expert." It does appear he went to law school but it's unclear if he ever practiced. I'm not saying he's not a legal expert but I am positive an honest to God defense attorney's advice would be very different. I agree that concern number 1 (after neutralizing the initial threat) is making sure you don't get shot by the police. Beyond that, I don't know that your primary concern is what some first responder or police officer "thinks" of you.
I went to law school too. I'm not a criminal attorney but every one that I know gives similar advice:
Get away from danger, get the lights on, get that gun out of your hand, call the cops, call a lawyer, STFU.
Interesting video though, thanks for posting. Agree or disagree, food for thought, expert advice and a forum to discuss is a huge public service, please Lee it up!
In the past I would have most likely tried to help anyone being assaulted or hurt by using force(my carry gun), but after how much of a mess it can cause I’m only protecting myself and my wife and kids and immediate family members/close friends. I can loose everything even if I’m completely justified in the action. Shooting someone is extremely serious and life changing with lawsuits, prison time, etc.. even if you are in the right. My advice would be to stay away from trouble and only protect your own if you absolutely have to. The system is difficult even if you are in the right you can loose your house and be tied up in court(with huge costs) for many years by the deceased family members.
good advice,
Great info.
All you need to say is there been a shooting incident..need police and EMS... that’s all you need to say at that time ....simple
I realize this is older video, BUT it is hypocritical because every time a police officer is involved in a shooting the first thing he is told is to say nothing until your attorney is present. What is ok for one and not the other is CLEARLY hypocritical.
What is sad is law enforcement isn’t really required to take law classes relevant to the officers job and what he is expectedly encounter.
While law enforcement may be just trying to do their job, District Attorney always looks at cases as how they can get a guilty verdict and not letting go morally and legally justified actions.
You have to understand that all attorneys who do give advises are getting incomes from incorrect statements of a victim who use firearms to defend themselves from a deadly threat. Alot attorney statements are more than in question but it is a matter of opinion.
I was trained by a retired Law Enforcement and they said don’t say anything except you were in fear of your life and want to speak to a lawyer. So these people are nuts
I would just say : "Mee no inglit, toak to da hen" !
This two year old post is funny even today!
Sound advice thanks
Good information.
+Patty Spencer Worse information ever. Follow it if you're not concerned about your freedom. These people are not concerned about law abiding people.
If you talk before being "Miranda", can they use what you say against you?
Please be aware that this is not legal advice, that would ideally need to come from an attorney you have established the attorney/client privilege. That said, it is generally understood that any voluntary speech or “spontaneous utterance” can be used against you (especially if not questioned). The Miranda Warning is required once someone is taken into custody and prior to interrogation.
Cop union lawyer forbids them from making a statement for 24 houre. Federal cops 72 hours.