S2: Wheel of Time show vs book: all the differences (E1)
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Today we look at episode one of season 2 of the Amazon Prime show Wheel of Time and how it compares with the book, The Great Hunt by Robert Jordan. Did I skip any differences you wanted to talk about? Tell me about it in the comments below!
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - Nobody is in the right place
01:53 - Plot changes
09:52 - My opinion on the changes
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Im pretty sure it is Siuan who does the freezy air stuff to Nynaeve.
It absolutely is, how could I have forgotten, she’s a queen.
That was a great scene in the book
@@ludovannieuwenhuizen9013it's such a great scene in the show too. Liandrin owns that scene and they've even added in extra nuances
Yup, pretty sure it’s Siuan on a boat?
yup siuan , and the warder scene is a call back to how siuan mocks her about warder training making a sword out of air etc in that scene. Its when egwene and nynaeve are going to the tower from fal dara. Elayne makes her own way and meet them at the tower.
The fight between Nynaeve and the Aes Sedai was in the boat with the Amyrlin Seat while traveling to the white tower.
Ok I KNEW it was in a boat! But I kept googling it and only nynaeves other very important scene on a boat kept coming up and I was so annoyed 🤣
I'm finding the series SO hard to follow - there are so many changes to the order of things that I keep getting confused between whether it's a deliberate change or I just can't remember things happening because everything feels unrecognisable. Thank you for doing these videos because this series has me questioning my sanity 😂
For sure. The books already were difficult to follow because of all the characters and places. For these writers to go and make it more confusing by putting people in wrong places at wrong times it’s basically a pointless endeavor to watch this and waste time on it
One huge thing they changed from the books is how difficult it is to kill a fade. In the books it takes hours for them to die and they flail around wildly while doing so. Additionally, you have to cut their head off even to kill them at all. But in this, she was just able to stab it under the chin and kill it.
That’s why finding the fade nailed to the door was a HUGE deal. Like HOW?
but here it’s like it probably tripped into somebody’s knife I guess.
@@johnny2003 that got me too. I had to pause the show to explain the significance to my girlfriend because she didn't think it was a big deal. As you said, it's a huge deal especially for someone who is thought of to be just a simple dark friend even after the events of the prison earlier in the book. A fade is a whole different deal
One huge thing? The entire story is not the Wheel of Time. It's nothing, and it's terrible. So sad that they destroyed this.
You are right, but to be clear, technically a headless Fade is dead, but it still operates like a headless chicken for until sunrise.
The changes…like, wtf? Why? WHY???!!!
Did anyone see any marketing for the second season? I wouldn’t have realized that a new season is out without this video.
They must be saving all the money that they can consolidate -- because perhaps they sense a drought in their future.
I'm too ~in the scene to miss it, but so many people have said this, so clearly marketing was LACKING
A couple minor things. Elayne wasn't at Fal Dara, the girls met her when they got back to the tower. Also, the Seal that Bayle had ended up in the hands of the Seanchan after he was captured by them.
Yeah I knew that the Seal had ended up in Seanchan hands! That's why I was pretty sure moiraine got it on her own ,but I was worried I was forgetting him getting it back or something haha. And yes, I totally forgot that Elayne wasn't at Fal Dara, duh.
I believe it ended up with Turok in Falme, along with the dagger and Horn of Valere, which is where/when Our Heroes recovered it after Rand defeats Turok
@@davezdude3200 yeah. Honestly, I just couldn't remember his name when i was typing the original comment.
A couple of minor...??? What? This show has the title and the some of the characters have the same name. Pretty much from there on it's been a sh*t show of girl boss, lesbian heroics with 1000% more Liandren than anyone wanted or needed. This show is an insult to WoT.
@@jiminycricket9862 I wasn't trying to address everything wrong with the show, did you even read my whole comment? I was just addressing a couple of factual errors about the book in the video, which imo were pretty minor.
So glad you're taking one for the team and watching this so I don't have to.
Bruh
@mikesbookreviews I’ve been waiting for your review. 😢
Well, you don't have to, but you definitely should cause it's great.
Oh, I remember you! I like your reviews.
Happy to help 🤪 Only potentially trading my sanity. Seems like a fair trade
Wow I’m amazed you’re even attempting this Herculean task with how many differences there are-I love how frantic this was, and frankly it was more fun to me than watching this slooooooow episode.
One thing you mentioned that I think isn’t a difference: I’m almost certain that women who have access to saidar do actually see visible weaves in the books as others are making them and that characters teach others visually as in this kitchen scene by demonstrating so others can see and copy.
Nothing is going to end up at the right place at the end of the season. Not the characters, not the plot, not the vision. I have no hope left for this show, unfortunately.
Finally! A great breakdown by an actual fan of the books. Well done!! The changes are super weird. Can’t get behind most of them
I’ll just stick to the books though I appreciate your videos on the series.
Makes sense! it's def making me want to reread them sooner rather than later 😂
@@Bookborn i just restarted this week. 😊
Putting RoP and Kenobi on blast within first 30 secs. dying
I actually liked Rings of Power more than I liked what was done with the Wheel of Time season one; strangely.
I can't help it, I'm still angry I wasted that many hours of my life 🤣
@@Bookborn :)
Of the two travesties on Amazon that are RoP and WoT, RoP is definitely the travestier of the travesties, but that in no way diminishes the travestiness of WoT. Utter rubbish, both.
The women may get their story arcs from the books. The guys won't. The show has been doing this since the beginning and hasn't been subtle about it at all. The guys have had their best scenes from the books removed or given to the women. Don't expect that to change because the core 'creative' team behind this show hasn't changed.
At least One Piece stuck to the source Material :)
For sure. The books are crazy heavy with women BUT the three main main characters are men and we’ve seen far too little of them at this point.
this episode made more for the worldbuilding and character relations then the previous 8 episodes =P
Yeah, I especially like Elayne!! I feel like they nailed her so far. Well, really the girls in general, I think Nynaeve and Egwene had some great character building as well.
@@BookbornElaine??
I would like to know number of story points they kept vs what they changed. It seems like more is changed than was kept. #WheelOfRafe
It's like a new story following rough outline of book. Probably what happens when a show is made from a book where author has already passed. 😢
I think you mean #WheelOfWaaaman
Yea honestly, stuff is so overwhelmingly "woke", when the source material is already so progressive in and of itself. God forbid they let a man be a protagonist lol @@x3dominator28
The more this thing progresses, the more I think they should have called this show _Aes Sedai_ and not TWoT. It would have played much better with the amount of screentime the sisters are getting.
The writers do be replacing friendship and platonic partnership with romance and sexual tension every opportunity they get. I do be wondering if it should mean something... Is friendship not visually interesting enough?
I see them struggling to solve the Matt drama from the end of season 1. I don't know where they will be going now, but I sympathise...
By the way the one that harasses Nyneave, then gets pinned to the wall in return is Siuan.
Omg yes SIUAN!!! Thank you lol
Also that’s so funny last season I said the same thing! I said they should’ve just called it “The Tower” and focused on the aes Sedai. Then it wouldn’t feel so weird that it doesn’t feel like an exact adaptation
I see what you're doing with how you're speaking/typing 😂
Yeah I'm not liking all the sexualisation, it feels off.
I do be appreciating how you said this. 😉
The lesbian romance between Siauan and Moraine is, especially bad because the books make it pretty clear they are like sisters, and that they are straight.
I know that as a big book fan I'm biased but this show is not good. The only things that are similar to the books are the names and places. This show feels like the Riverdale writers took the names and places and wrote something completely different. All the good writing from the books has been thrown away and replaced with garbage.
At this point, it might be easier to make videos about what's the same between the books and the show. The videos would be much shorter, though.
I think this video would be 30 seconds long if she did that 😂
wahhhhhhhh
Thanks for this - very interesting and helpful commentary!
You didn't mention the biggest change! Perrin is actually communicating with people he had to leave! And in 14 books I'm not sure anyone was ever an effective communicator to people not right in front of them lol.
My guess with Liandren is they'll be combining her with Galina not Elaida. Or potentially combining her with Alviarin. Rafe has said Elaida will be her own character.
LMAOOO! Ok but actually I remember reading the books and getting so frustrated by lack of communication 😂
@@Bookborn yes! The thing that gets me too is that the books introduce many different methods of instant or fast travel and then no one uses them for communication! Elayne and aviendha spend the last 5 books with constant knowledge of where Rand is and the ability to get to him but eh better not. Lol.
I was immediately disappointed with the opening. I always pictured that scene in the book being like a creepy gathering in a giant castle hall akin to Eyes Wide Shut, not just a tiny handful of easily identifiable people sitting quietly around a small table. Wheel of Time is supposed to be sprawling, yet there is no sense of grandeur in the show. Everything feels small and the sets are unimpressive.
I'm confused about the fades. Why were they waiting for Moraine? Like multiple fades, with no fists of trollocs. Then, how is Moraine able to take out a fade with a knife? It's a big deal to kill a fade in direct combat. They need to be beheaded like Lan does, usually by some one of blademaster skill, or the best Aiel fighters. Even then they will thrash around wildly. There are instances of fades killing multiple Aiel in the books. This is why I feel blade masters like Lan and Tam are very underated in this show. During this encounter both Moraine and Lan are injured by the fades swords, who's blades are lethally poisoned. Their blood is even a corrosive acid. It takes very skilled healing to survive that. How were they healed by a brown and a green so easily? Probably the same way Loial was?
I also thought that entire scene was weird, I hated it tbh. Moiraine isn't dumb enough to go off on her own in that circumstance, I mean she can't channel! And then to see her easily take one out, idk the whole thing didn't make sense.
@Bookborn isn't she? That's exactly what she does in Illian when she goes snooping around figuring out that Sammael's there. Sure she can channel but I don't think that'd be enough at all.
It seems like they did away with the poisoned blades (possibly on the dagger, too) and the fade's weird way of dying. Which would have looked bad on screen. They do seem more lethal otherwise. Fading in and out of shadows mid fight.
She can channel which, imo, is a HUGE difference. She can defend herself!@@csarmii
I will add that in the books Lan can duel 2 fades simultaneously and win when it's slightly more is when he struggles.
He just gets clobbered by 2 fades and uses a thakandar forged blade in duel wielding...
Aside from my curiosity about how the writers are absolutely dismantling Robert Jordan's vision for the sake of their own and where that will eventually lead, all I feel toward this show at this point is indifference.
I kind of felt like this entire episode was an inaccurate waste of time that was sprinkled with a few name drops to get people excited. The scene with Nynaeve and Siuan is one of my favorite from the books so I was glad to see it in the show though a little upset to see it changed.
I'm surprised because it seems like they want to give Suian a larger role - they gave her more of a relationship with Moiraine than that point in time in the books, but now we've completely ignored her. Where is she??
@@Bookborn Suian has a huge role in the books especially after she is stilled and escapes the Tower and goes on to meet up with Gareth Byrne. .but maybe I'm getting ahead of what you are talking about.
So, are the seals giant manhole covers in the ground? That's going to have repercussions later.
I was assuming those weren't actual seals once i saw them all like that. Perhaps just representations of which ones are broken? That was my thought.
I wish Elaida took Liandrin’s role as the big bad Aes Sedai
I'm still not convinced we won't meet Elaida but maybe I'm just way too hopeful lollll
I know we should treat new experiences with grace, and allow for opportunities for growth... but I honestly kinda get fed up of it bc it only ever seems to go one way.
Rafe and the "show fans" don't see to extend that grace to their critics, so I have a hard time accepting that it should be extended to them. And considering the *continual* abandonment of the source material and the inclusion of ENTIRELY new sub plots despite the complaints that "there are too many plots and characters to include in a show" I just feel there should ALWAYS be a level of condemnation as a start point.
I STILL want the show to succeed. I STILL hope they will course correct.
But I just don't REALLY see it happening.
And in a world of superpowered women who run the show, the writers sure do like to push for even MORE "girl power" as if they entirely missed the allegory that the "matriarchal imbalance" was an inversion of patriarchal structures through history. It would be more like if Handmaid's Tale had made the fundamentalists the good guys...
And I *honestly* aren't much of a book snob.
I remember watching Divergent and thinking "the book should be amazing, I can see the flaws a novel could easily resolve!" and then reading the first book and acknowledging... the movie is better.
I remember friends pointing out silly scenes in LoTR and expecting fan outrage from me... but Tolkien was whimsical af. I could point out a million things that Jackson did wrong (my boy Faramir most of all) but they're still beautiful, brilliant movies.
I've liked multiple videogame adaptations too, despite the huge flaws there.
... I'm not that difficult to please...
Hell, my major criticisms circle around the obvious identity politics agenda... but I love the books BECAUSE of the progressive politics, my favourite character is Nynaeve and I generally love badass women in fiction (from Buffy to Granny Weatherwax and everything in between)
It's the zero sum game I see being played where the boys are being "adapted" WILDLY differently to the girls... to the detriment of them all in different ways. Perrin seems to have come out of it best, and they STARTED him by fridging a wife and engineering a dumb romance with Egwene for drama. When you can't improve on the romance of WoT, you're failing hard as even I (sucker than I am for romance) acknowledge it's a weakness.
One difference I didn't see mentioned in the video or the comments is Moirane/Lan fighting a fade instead of a draghkar. It would've been a great point to introduce draghkar but instead they throw a Walmart fade at them.
I think I finally put my finger on what bugs me about this show. It reminds me of the Avatar Movie (The Last Airbender) They are completely ignoring the story from the books, and just making up whatever they want. The channeling only looks marginally better than the movie, and that was years ago, and they have WAY more budget. Watching this show just makes me angry and sad at what could have been. Who's taking the over/under on what month this year they announce it's been canceled?
There's 14x1000+ page books. There is literally no way to adapt that for the screen (and a lot of stuff in the books wouldn't translate very well to the screen). I bet they've been given a max of 8 seasons to wrap this up so they've got to have massive artistic license to adapt and combine characters/storylines. I think if you go into this wanting a true adaptation of the book then you're going to be sorely disappointed.
There are more than 1000 EPISODES of one piece, the story of a rubber pirate. If netflix managed to take this material and make 8 coherent episodes that keep practically ALL the main points of the first saga, amazon would be able to do the same with 14 books.
The issue here is that they don't want to. They clearly feel they have a better story to tell with these characters.
@@petelea3462 And yet somehow they managed to get nothing from the books into the show. EVERYTHING was changed. They didn't leave anything from the books but the names. They had to get their dirty little fingers on every single thought, idea, plot point, or character trait and just do ANYTHING ELSE besides what was in the books. Can't blame this crap on Covid anymore. Turns out these muppets just don't know how to write fantasy. Maybe they should have used the source material, that, you know, SOLD MILLIONS OF COPIES. JFC
@@petelea3462 well the obvious choice is if they can’t reasonably adapt 14x1000 pages will reasonable coherence, they either adapt a smaller chunk of it more faithfully OR don’t attempt to make the show at all but make some original show.
Sheriam is younger in the books, with red hair.
Kate Fleetwood is killing it with her portrayal of Liandrin.
She truly is. A stand out performance.
Despite the changes which you put across well, this season has been a big step up for me from S1 (especially e3 which i wont spoiler you on). Importantly this feels like WOT, oh and it was Siuan who shields Nynaeve. She took a turn training them (the great hunt). Finally have to express my admiration for the actress playing Nynaeve. She is smashing it.
Yes, I'm going to mention how it's a step up in quality in my next ep! I was sort of in a haze and forgot to talk about the things they are doing well (like Elayne!) I'm 30 min into episode 3 and am blown away so far so I hope it keeps it up!
@@Bookborn I hope you enjoy it! And yes ironically i found book Elayne quite annoying a lot of the time but quite like show Elayne.
Absolutely! The WoT "feel" is absolute perfection and that's more than enough for me to forgive various narrative choices to manage the difficulty of taking millions of words and compacting them into a finite number of visual media episodes.
@@thane9 yes it feels like the WOT world to me as well. I am not so sure i could say that in S1 partly down to the poor sets and effects.
No just no
I'm so glad I found your channel before S2 started! I have been reading the books for the first time this year (about 70% done with lord of chaos) and watching the show yesterday I was so massively confused by all the changes. I can't for my life tell if they're good or bad changes, because I don't have the whole picture of the series yet... but I'm mostly confused about what they're doing with Moiraine. Looking forward to the rest of these! Hopefully you'll be able to shed some light on it.
(A bit of a spoiler for the books, don't read further if you've not read the books! I'll try to stay vague... I saw a theory that they were giving a certain character, their yellow development through this change.. and that makes some amount of sense, but that also doesn't quite work since the other character is still present, unless they're meaning to cut Elaida altogether (?!) (sorry if that made no sense))
I think the showrunners are confused about what they're doing with Moiraine too. She has top billing for the show -- it wouldn't be too surprising if they just threw all cards to the wind and decided to make Moiraine the Dragon Reborn and make Rand the Dark One's avatar.
I dislike a lot of the changes, and I think some were bad choices, but some of them now seem to be to shorten the story for the time allowed.
I'm speculating that they may be ending Lan's relationship with Moiraine, and starting his with Nynaeve earlier. My only reasons for this are that they became intimate earlier, and a lot of things seem likely to be happening earlier than in the books.
welcome! Ok, yes, I was theorizing too that this might be a certain characters work towards yellow; but that makes me sad only because like you said, the other character is there and I just love that storyline. It also means that...what happens to Moiraine in book 5... I guess doesn't happen? Which is pretty significant.
@@Bookborn right… my goodness so many implications too. Like if they cut Elaida and that entire branch of the story, what happens with Egwene? I’m so confused about their decisions 😭
@@fine_nib_witch Egwene gets nibbed by the Seanchan and she escapes and becomes a crusader against the Seanchan and the entire White Tower rallies behind her against the threat of the insect helmeted dwellers of the outer Texas?
I was so apprehensive about Moiraine being stilled/cut off at the end of season 1, and this episode has not convinced me that it was the right move. I just don't really understand why the show is so Moiraine centric, and I say this as someone who loves Moiraine. It's just a weird choice IMO - she's the mentor character, she's not the one in desperate need of character development.
I do sort of wonder if they're replacing a certain other character's stilling later in the series with Moiraine here.
Makes one wonder what they will do with the other character...
Because she is the one bringing all the non book readers to the show. She is the “big name” in the show and its not easy to sideline a recurring big character after just one season. Its not the books where characters disappear for 4 5 books without any issues. In an adaptation many things have to be considered while casting people.
YES, I totally agree. They have not convinced me it's the right move, and I'm still not convinced. I am worried that they are replacing that storyline, which is a bummer since i Love that character, but ALSO, does that mean they will be ignoring what happens to Moiraine in book 5 as well...
@@smol6193
All they had to do was interject some of what Moiraine might have been doing while Rand washunting the horn & dagger. These writers are selfish & terrible at writing & critical thinking though.
@@agarthastudio6005 You are coming from a book fan perspective. Yes all the main characters running around unknown lands searching for the same thing might work in a book series but tbh in a tv medium it will be quite repetitive and boring because it will be the same thing for the whole season. Having too many characters in the same place and having same mission can mean seriously lack of character growth for any of the other characters than the main that is Rand. Which was the problem with the books anyway.
I agree that there are better ways to tell the story but at this point they are just making up for the mess they made in season 1.
This “forget that” is just funny. 😂 I will not watch this but these videos will be fun. I watch One Piece instead. Even if you are not manga reader it’s really fun to watch! 🫡 Excellent adaptation. Btw you are right that trapping scene is in book 5-6? And by an outcast…. If I’m correct.
Hey if they want to conveniently "forget" their bad choices and move on, I'll give that to them LOL
@@Bookborn comes with the old age… and extremely bad show runners… both are serious things. 😂
Most of these changes are just moving things around imo. Rand is doing a mix of his book 2-3 storyline, Perrin a mix of books 1-3, and Mat closer to his book 3 plot im guessing. The girls are closest to book 2 plot.
The only wholly new things re Moiraine being cut off and Liandrins extra depth. Even Moiraine and Lan tension is just a bit of an expanded/dramatized version of things in book 5ish.
I still think Moiraine is being way more of a jerk than she was, even in book 5 - I've thought that since season 1, though, as much as I love Rosamund Pike.
I think things aren't the same, BUT I agree that it's still not so far off that everybody can't end up in the same place, which is why I'm still watching!
So is a Rand a secondary character again this season?
Yup. Unfortunately that's what happens when you hire actors with egos who have no shame in destroying an IP for the sake of getting their screentime
@@Dovieandi_Se_Tovya_Sagain I really think it's the writing and the head showrunner that are the problem; not the actors.
@@gilian2587 Rosamund Pike is a producer on the show. Pretty sure she had a say in how much screen time she got.
@@Dovieandi_Se_Tovya_Sagain Consider how they are using that screentime in season 2. Moiraine is becoming an unlikeable character in how she's treating Lan. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Rafe has been playing the whole fandom of the Wheel of Time for fools.
EDIT - Spoiler warning so I've moved this question down to avoid spoilers for later books.
Am I correct in remembering that the 3 boys being ta'veren could sense each other to some extent or at least sense the pull of each other, mainly M and P being pulled towards Rand? If so, Perrin would know that Rand isn't dead?
Book spoilers
This doesn’t happen until later. The first mention of this pull is in book 4 with Mat not being able to leave rand. Perrin doesn’t feel it all and is able to leave. Much later, around book 9 or 10, every time they think of each other, they see colours that coalesce into a vision of what that person is doing right now. But it’s too early for that sense to develop yet.
That develops a bit later on and it varies for each one of them. In TSR Matt cannot leave because of the pull of Ta'veren. Perrin has no issues. It depends on what the pattern needs.
Thanks for the reminder! I added a spoiler warning to my question as well. @@Arezoo298195
Thanks for the reminder! I added a spoiler warning to my question as well. @@nonProfitJoeRo
Everyone has answered for me haha! They haven’t really gone in to ta’veren yet I feel like. They mentioned it but I feel like we haven’t seen it beyond that first episode tbh
While I think this season is a step up in quality so far, it is still so far removed from the books that I can't even compare it any longer. It really is just the WoT world and character names and everything else is different
Details are recombined. But how can you say things are completely different?
@@csarmii Because is is completely different? A large majority of everything that happened in episodes 1-3 did not happen in the books. The story is basically completely rewritten
It's definitly very different right now (especially for storylines happening outside of the tower) but I do think there is a way to get it to the end of this season in the same location everyone is at the end of the Dragon Reborn or the great hunt. IDK, Rafe claimed that this season would be off the books so that next season itw would be closer. Do I necessarily trust him? nah. But it could be!
@@Bookborn Thank you for the wonderful videos
@roscoe2311 and why is that a problem? They do have the same elements, by the way. They are just recombined and put into a different context in some cases. There's a nod to the books in every scene.
This seems absolutely necessary, by the way - they have to combine two books into one so how would you not do that.
I haven't watched the new episodes yet so ofc I haven't watched this video yet either, but ahhh the return of seeing this video series in my CZcams feed just feels so *right* 😅😆
ITS TIMEEEEE is our Myydraal friend ready
@@Bookborn yesssss he's SO excited, we're gonna buddy watch it together
Not gonna watch the second season, just your reviews
You're missing out. It's great so far.
@@csarmii You're one of the few show apologists left. I salute you good individual; not because I agree with your conclusion, but because battle-hardened and weary and against all evidence to the contrary, you are steadfast in your convictions. There is something noble in your tragedy.
@gilian2587 I'm really not. The show has an overwhelmingly positive reception in a lot of places. Especially among dedicated, hard-core fan communities centered around podcasts about the wheel of time
. Even season one, although lots of people feel that episodes 7-8 were hit very hard by covid and made some bad choices.
As for season two - they love it. And everyone seems to agree that it's way better than season one.
It was okay…. Still not sure..
The fight with the Fades was a cool show off of their shadow stepping ability. Kinda wish they would have talked to Moirane cuz they're always super creepy. Guess they don't have super super poisonous blades anymore though or else Lan and probably Moirane would have been goners.
Fades, famous for taking hours to die and continuing to try to kill everything as they refuse to die even after they get beheaded, now killed by a powerless woman with a dagger to the jaw...
One thing I “LOVE” is how many scenes happen in total darkness. Those are so fun to watch!
I've only watched the first one, but it's better than season 1 so far imo
Set up the season and everyone's arches, but not much to get excited by.
But it did its job of not making me switch off and give up on the show.
Let's hope episode 2 builds on that now.
Also, I'm not sure how the book v show format will work for you going forward. But I look forward to watching the rest of your reviews as I catch up
Yeah, it's getting far from the books, but I can still talk about the inspirations/where they are pulling stuff from anyway. I agree that Season 2 so far isn't convincing me to like it, but it also isn't turning me completely off yet.
Nice try to make sense of the show. Once the rest of the season comes out I suspect you will have been too kind as they are not going to "get back on track" with the boys storylines. Even where they include book content it is in the wrong place, wrong context, wrong character... Thank you again for watching this so us book fans don't have to!
I'm def reserving judgement right now! These first two episodes looked better than the last eight, at least, so I think that's already an improvement. I'm not over the moon about these episodes by any means, but I also think they could be good starting places for future episodes. We'll see.
Why would they have to be get on track at all? These episodes are awesome by the way. You're missing out by not watching them.
@@csarmiia book lover isn’t gonna think this is awesome. It’s awesome to ignore that it looked the the Ogier died at the end of season 1 but he’s totally fine now? With no explanation? The fight scene with the Fades was pretty but made no sense. But hey, enjoy the show, ignorance is bliss, but you keep telling book fans they’re missing out. On what? A show that barely resembles the books they love?
@elliotjmorales well, 90% of the book lovers I know think this is awesome, so yes, they would. In every major discord channels i frequent which are, by tge way, full of hard-core fans
You don't represent the book readers. And as a big book fan, I have e ery right to state my opinion.
@elliotjmorales and the show very much resembles the book. Characters feel the same. We have the dame beats. We have the same events even, just recombined.
You can go on hating for whatever reason - it's your miss, not mine.
My canon says Padan Fain stabbed Loial in a book that was stuffed in his pockets.
Perfect, send notes to the writers so they can have him mention it
I'm giving this series a shot, just like the book to show adaptation of Foundation (which is turning out to be my fave show that is also different to the books). I only read up to Winters heart back in the 90-00's, so have forgotten a lot, so it is great when someone or something happens and i remember what's going on.
Re: Lan wanting to leave. It seems Moiraine is trying to protect Lan, by insulting him to leave. When she told him that their relationship was never as equals, she meant that she put him ABOVE herself or that he was really the one in charge. After all, an Aes Sedai cannot lie.
On my second watch of the series currently. It feels like the last 15 min of Season 1 never happened. Season 1 did so much work to establish Lan as stoic, only expressing feeling with the death of the other warder. Now they have him bickering with Moraine like a married couple who are trying to hold together an unhappy marriage.
Lol I too was happy with the retcons. Forget nynaeve and loyal appeared to be mortally wounded
It was Suian who got pinned to the wall on the boat, its also the first time we see shielding
I'm just a bit sad that they changed so much. Like I kind of see the story still but it is just so different
As book readers, it's always hard!
Where is Rand? I seem remember him being fairly central to the story.
What makes you think Rand is central to Rafe's story?
☠️☠️☠️ why would you think the main character of the series is important
I'm a book reader and I was completely lost. I thought the episode was shot poorly, there was too little dialogue, the fight scenes were too dark, and overall very badly done episode. I'm hoping the season gets much better.
I’ll agree about things being too dark. I could barely see the clips as I was putting them in this vid!
By time you get to the final episode of this season, it becomes pretty clear that they want to give everything Rand accomplishes in the books to one of the women.
Imagine instead of shelving Perrins powers for later they actually write scenes for him to talk about what he’s thinking or going through. Instead of literally nothing!
I just figure that the reason we the viewers can see the weaves is that we're primarily seeing the sisters from the perspective of other female chanelers, who CAN see them.
I'm also wondering if they're going to change the lore a bit (given the scene with Logain in S1) so that male chanelers can in fact see female's weaves rather than just sense them. It'd be easier to depict in this medium than the skin prickling effect.
They probably added the mat stuff to get us familiar with his recast.
The weaves can be seen in the books. But only by other people who can channel(Saidar and Saidin respectively).
"So we can get to the right places in the end." That's very optimistic.
I’m an optimistic person, what can I say lol
@@Bookborn there's nothing wrong with optimism, but you're playing a dangerous game. If you fly too high, the fall is going to hurt more. This show will let you down. It'll use you up and throw you out, just like the writers did with the books.
In all seriousness, it is utterly insane how much they are changing the story. We are not talking about condensing a story ... but literally changing it. Not to mention how they are rewriting the definable qualities of so many characters. It is like they kept the names, but wrote their own characters. There is such a disregard for the source material that it is painful to even watch, at this point.
siuan sanche did that to Nynive on the boat from Shienar to Tarvalon
Thanks for the content. Am I just super old now or was it really hard to hear the dialog on this episode??
Well I'm old too because I had to turn it up ALL THE WAY and even then I had to go back sometimes to catch everything
I am suprised how much I enjoyed episode 1! My non-book reader girlfiend found it a little slow which I can totaly see but she is really excited to watch the next too after work today... definilty not during work...
There is sooooo little that is the same. Your struggle is real.
Aside from Moraine’s disrespect for Lan the emphasis on Liandrin is the most jarring change - where is that going given later books…
The Green's romantic aspects are leading up to a particular act by a Green later, one that is controversial. Showing this aspect early kind of sets the audience up for that event.
I think it's something similar with Liandrin, there are aspects they are setting up for later in the season.
I mean I know what you’re talking about but it still feels excessive to me 🤔 especially since I feel like we are lacking setup in rands storyline, arguably the most important. Of course, it wouldn’t take much to get his story making sense for me again
Im enjoying the second season because I can’t remember the book as well. 😅
Lol... you're brave to watch Season 2 since Season 1 was so horrible. I'm just going to wait until Season 2 is over and watch recaps to see if it's worth the time to continue.
Not a bad way to do it; that's what I've started doing with STar Wars lol, I wait until someone else tells me it's good enough to watch.
So far it's great. But there's 5 episodes left.
That's exactly what I had planned on doing. : )
Did someone say The Barrels of Ages is on amazon??
ADELEAS and vandene are twins also their arc is important in later books
i watched the show and i loved it!! but i haven't red books, book readers do u liked the series??
Book readers are very split! Many hate the show, some feel it’s ok with both good and bad (that’s me), and some love it lol
Siuan does the air stuff to Nynaeve
And vice versa.
Having read the book it’s hard to enjoy this because it’s so different and much of it needlessly so. Apart from that it’s just bad writing to make it seem like the Ogrier is dead and then he’s perfectly fine with no mention of how he got healed. Same with the Egwene resurrection situation. Outside of those things it just seems to be a sub par fantasy show.
Yup you're right. The only thing I would say different isn't that it's so different it's not the same at all. They have some characters with the same names is all that I can say is the same. Even things that are in the books that they attempt to put in the show are so wrong
I have to say that like you, I defended the first season up until the last few episodes and then I just couldn't anymore. It was kind of a dumpster fire. But I am more impressed with this season being at least more "Wheel of Timey" then the first season. I do have my gripes. But I am kind of glad they ignored most of the episodes 8 garbage. It makes continuity errors. But I'm with you I'm happy to forget it. I don't like that they combined Vandene and Adeleas, then made that combo Verin's sister. Thats weird. Mostly because Verin is one of my favorite characters. But I think you are right they combined the sisters and made them green because Verin is brown. But making this many changes to Verin makes her not be Verin. Like when we meet Verin she seems completely lost in her books, oblivious to the world around her and scatter brained. Then when there is real danger and she needs to act, she acts ruthlessly. That is NOTHING like this version of Verin. Now we who have read the books know better. But I just don't like it this isn't Verin. Its just Vandene but brown Ajah. Also apparently Aes Sedai composure is just not a thing in this show. Aes Sedai seem to have trouble controlling even their own pettiest of emotions.
Remember that the show is following a simple formula of messiah-fication and cretin-ization for it's characters.
These are the rules:
If the character is male - cretinize the character by a small factor.
If the character is a male member of the EF 5 - cretinize the character by a factor of a few seal-clubbings.
If the character is female - messiahfy by a small factor.
If the character is a female member of the EF 5 - messiahfy by a factor multiple units of Lazarus.
Is it just me or did nothing happen in the first episode? It always amazes me how tv adaptions can do so little in so much time. Nyneve is blocked, establishing that fain is being hunted, and thats really it. Everything else is probably cuttable without much loss
Mat's health is the stated reason hes being held in the tower, but the more likely reason is because Suiane wants to keep the Taveren close to hand, and because of another spoiler reason
Well yeah but Mat thinks it’s because of health in the book haha! But in the show Suiane isn’t anywhere to be seen so I don’t think that’s gonna be their stated case
In the show it was Moiraine who sent the message out to the White Tower that they should find Mat and keep an eye on him; I believe that was S1E7 where that happened. Why keep an eye on him? At the time; Moiraine does not know that Mat isn't capable of channeling. She does know that Mat is 'close to darkness'. So keeping Liandrin on him to make sure that Mat doesn't become a darkfriend might be a prudent thing to do. All of this is assuming, of course, that the showrunners are even attempting to coherently think this storythread through. There's a good chance that the show-writer's incentives are too localized and immediate for them to even care if the stories they write make sense.
Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but any woman who can channel (and that now includes all three girls) can see another woman channelling. So, as the scene is from the girls' point of view, we see the weaves. I think we saw them in S1E1 because it was from Moiraine's point of view.
I've only watched Ep 1 so far and was so confused I thought I'd missed an episode and whilst the show still has a great look, the dialogue is so clunky it hurts at times.
I think the creatives behind the mess of Season 1 got so burned by the backlash that they are well into retcon territory now and are trying a course correct to get them back towards the source material.
It's still a bit of a mess.
If the novices are drawing earth from the stones of the tower… wouldn’t that shred the stones weakening the building?
Darkfriend social, was meh....loved they DID it, but was underwhelming. Ishy being all bad with the girl and trolloc didn't hit with me. Not a fan of the Moraine/Lan drama...and that goes back to her being shielded. Why? Thought the transitions between scenes was really smooth and done well. Love Elyas. The Matt kept in the tower that way was weird, but I know they had to do something since things got messed up with the actor, so I get it. They had to do something. I thought the ep was solid overall.
I agree about Ishy and the girl, it was sort of weird but eh whatever. I also think the show LOOKS much better than season 1 already. My favorite part of this ep was Egwene walking through the tower. It felt really full and active and I really liked it!
@@Bookborn totally agree on the look thus far. Much better. Maybe (still) to clean outside of the White Tower? Eh...small thing though.
We have very similar drama in the books. Down to the point where Moiraine tries to leave Lan behind several times in these books. And she does actually leave him behind too.
@@csarmii The dynamic was never like this though.
@tr_vmi4844 in what way do you find it different?
Suin sanche (spelling) on a boat going to Tar Valon from the borderlands bringing the girls to training
I went into season 2's first episode with expectations and it didn't let me down.
I hate-watched every minute, so frustrated with, well, all of it. They changed so many things with the first season that there's no turning back. I'm going to hate it all. Which sucks.
I'm a bit miffed that they're describing Nynayeve as a super sayen, like 10 times more powerful for egwene, no she was stronger than her but not by that much, another thing Elayne came to the tower at the same time as the girls not months after they were there
Canonically in the books, Nynaeve is as far ahead of Egwene as Egwene is ahead of Moiraine in strength
@@Wolfinator234 oh i admitted that Nynayeve was stronger but it wasn't 10 times the strength as that would put her beyond rand all thors strength which she also isn't,
I'm surprised they didn't make Nynaeve the Dragon Reborn while they were at it...
It's kinda weird how much they're leaning into Aes Sedai and Warder relationships given that Aes Sedai can literally force their Warder to sleep with them... In general with the Warder bond it's real iffy that there can be any consent or at least not any informed consent since you can't exactly know what you're getting into when you agree to the bond (if you're even given the chance to agree).
So, obviously you can't do a direct 1:1 adaptation of a story from one medium to another. Little changes have to be made so it can work. I accept this. When you have a not-so-short book that you're adapting and a short season of television to adapt it to, a lot of condensing is necessary. Ok, fair, you can still have the essence of the story and adapt it quite effectively.
But some of the changes they're making just baffle me. I'm sure they have their reasons, and hopefully in a while I'll be saying "ok, I get why they dramatically (pun intended) departed from the original story for X, Y, and Z" because it's going to payoff somehow. Really hoping. Especially with Moiraine. She has always been one of my favourite characters in the books.
We shall see. The Wheel weaves as The Wheel wills...
Wait...s2 is out?
Surprise! Lol. First three episodes dropped yesterday :)
Book for sure got totally confused jiggling everything up in the series totally as well
Main difference. The book was about rand, the series is about girl power
In 'New Spring' it's established that the Blue Ajah aren't allowed to marry - in a Green Ajah only has one Warder, she is probably married to him.
Elaine wasn't on the ship from Fal Dara. They didn't meet her till they got to the tower. The Amyrlyn went there with an Aes Sedai contingent why wouldn't have brought a Novice with them? Easy mistake to make those three names are always being mentioned together in those books lol
Ok duh. I was so focused on Rand and Elyane meeting that I forgot Elayne goes to the tower first. Thank you!
In order for me to watch this series and not get mad at the many many unnecessary changes, im just going to think of this show as a parallel timeline in another dimension through the portal stones
I'll try that, because whatever this is I'm watching is trash.
Is that working? lol
@Arcanon10 kinda lol. Still annoyed but it makes it a little more bearable
@@AngryBaldyGaming 😆
Just watched the episodr, and I feel like soon it will be faster to make videos about all the similarities
Et tu jake, et tu?!
@@Bookborn si.
I wont spoil for those who didnt watch the first 3, but did you yet?
I’ve watched two so far and will watch the other one today!
@@Bookborn I have the short term memory of an ant lol. I won't say anything until you finish all 3 because they all blur together for me.
SPOILERS!
I think Warders can be woman, right? Doesn't Elayne bind Birgitte?
"Season One was absolute dogshit, but WoT is getting a lot of views, so here we go!"
I enjoy your videos more than the show itself. Not even sure I watched the last three episodes of S1.
For me them all being in different places is really confusing. For someone who has not read these early books since maybe a year before Robert Jordan passed away. It’s just confusing by them changing the story.
So like all adapatations Amazon has done they have totally screwed this so bad that fans of the books can’t hardly recognize it. I saw the first two episodes of this season and basically didn’t recognize anything from the books …though I did read these first ones over 25 years ago. But no it wasn’t my memory that was wrong, just the show. Why don’t these people simply call these derivative works based on the source material?
i really love what they did with the weaves... however the darkfriend social was a bit of a fail. Love what they did by splitting everyone early on cus they need to grow by themselves. Really enjoyed it so far because i feel the changes match the characters' theme in the books a fair amount more than in s1.
Yeah I'm def not like THESE WERE AMAZING but I also think we could possibly be set up well for the next few episodes, so I'm reserving judgement.