Aerobatics in a Bonanza
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Aileron roll and split S - does that sound like fun? It sure does to me, and I was able get a taste of these aerobatics maneuvers at the first ACCA Aviation Content Creator Awards weekend. My instructor was Scott Perdue, a retired F-15 and airline pilot who brought a Beechcraft F33C Bonanza to Stearman Field in Kansas. That’s a beefed-up version of the regular Bonanza, certified for aerobatics. Scott also has a CZcams channel called FlyWire (see link below).
Note: This video does not replace flight instruction. If you wish to try aerobatics yourself, do work with a flight instructor who knows how to do this safely, and do it in an airplane approved for the maneuvers you want to try.
0:00 Start
2:16 Take-off
5:06 Aileron roll
8:22 Split S
10:57 Stalls
Special thanks to:
* Scott Perdue - FlyWire at / scottperdue476
* Clemens Insurance, who sponsored the ACCA event www.clemensinsurance.net
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"Collect all the Go-Pros" LOL
I am sure the NTSB would appreciate a video record of what led to the in-flight break-up! 😁
Martin Pauly they can recover them from the wreckage though... 😉
I was lucky enough to have a short intro to aeros in an Airtourer, fantastic fun
I bet it was!
- Martin
I would have needed an XXXL one of those bags, and probably much sooner!. Great job Martin!! 8) --gary
Thanks, Gary. Hopefully I can get used to this type of flying so I won't need the bag in the future.
- Martin
Thanks for being willing to share being a bit uncomfortable. 40 years ago I almost quit flying because my instructor was not “supportive in building tolerance “. Fortunately I met an USAF f15 jockey on the tarmac and saw him check for his barf bag before climbing in. I figured if he thought he might get sick, it was ok for me to have the same concern. Great video, as usual.
Thank you, James. Getting used to the motion and building a tolerance is important. Probably a good reminder for me as I am beginning to train new students, now that I am a CFI. 😁
- Martin
Scott and Martin together! What a bonanza!
That was awesome Martin!! Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, Andrew!
- Martin
I had a hard time distinguishing between the maneuvers done by the instructor, and Martin’s efforts. Well done! Proof that efficiency is all about smoothness. My stomach would have likely waved a white flag after the first roll. 😳
These were easy maneuvers to fly, once I could "feel along" on the controls when Scott demonstrated them. And maybe some beginner's luck! 👍
- Martin
Great video! I love the collaboration between the Bo guys. Also Martin, thank you for being “real” enough to show us the pretty typical reaction to regular pilots doing acrobatics their first time.
Glad you enjoyed it!
- Martin
That was cool! Loved to the rolll!! Great job!!
Great video, you did very well and a great instructor coaching you along. Keep up the good work,
Thank you, Ken!
- Martin
I enjoy your channel and Martins both great stuff!
First, and foremost.. thanks to your friend for his service. The F-15 is one of the best modern fighters out there! Next, the smile on your face said it all! I remember my first time flying aerobatic maneuvers back when I was in the US Navy. Talk about gut wrenching! Fun, but I'll stick to "straight and level".
Fly safe and fly often!
Thanks, Gordon. Fun, yes - it's made me hungry for more, though I expect most of my flying will remain cross country (read: straight and level).
- Martin
I did spin training the other week and it was rough on the stomach. Good for you Martin for doing this.
Great video Martin, last time I did aerobic training, didn’t feel so well after either. Definitely have to build your tolerance. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks - I bet this will get more comfortable with practice.
- Martin
@@martinpauly When I used to take people in sailplanes for their first ride, many discovered they could not handle the tight turns inside thermals as well. You will feel some minor G-forces while doing that and some just can't handle it. But many said they were getting used to it.
! ! ! AWESOME ! ! !
! ! ! THAT’S WHAT A BONANZA “WITH AN EXCELLENT INSTRUCTOR” CAN DO ! ! !
MANY THANKS FOR SHARING ! ! !
HOPE YOU ARE ALL RIGHT AFTER THE MOTION SICKNESS ... 😁
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Nicely Done Martin! That looked like a lot of fun right up to when the bag came out. LOL! Thanks for taking us along. :)
Yes, good analysis, Mike! 😁
- Martin
Great job Martin !! - Sure looks like a lot of fun. thank you for sharing this with us !!
Thank you, Lech - it sure was fun!
- Martin
I’d go more and wouldn’t like to stop. Looks so much fun! Thank you Martin. A great lesson.
It was fun! I hope I can do more of this in the future.
- Martin
I think every pilot needs to do this and get their sailplane rating. They both teach energy management. It just makes one a better pilot!
I agree!
There are lots of things like that - including the glider rating you mentioned. Tailwheel is another one. Slow flight, spins, upset recovery training - also a great idea!
- Martin
Very nice!
I don't even like roller coasters. Very afraid of heights but flying doesn't bother me at all. Even small planes are no problem. Also have a weak stomach so this probably wouldn't be fun but I would try it once just to see. Thanks Martin.
Yeah, try it sometime - maybe plan from the start to keep the flight short, so that you can be back on the ground before things get too bad.
- Martin
Friday is my 1 year anniversary return to flight after a 5 yr rest. Logged about 30 hrs. Now closing in on 400. Did some spin training at SRQ in February, got my high performance and complex sign offs there. You’ve inspired me, can’t say how much I’ve both enjoyed & learned from you! Lots of effort on you part, thank you Martin!
Nice job. I subscribe to Scott's channel as well so it was nice to see him in one of your videos. I think the Split-S would've gotten me too. I've never been sick in an airplane, not evening spinning a C152 Aerobat (I hated spin training lol). But, never say never!
In 35 years of flying I can count on one hand the number of times I had to use "the bag". It's not pleasant at the time, of course, but I wouldn't want to have missed the aerobatics intro just to avoid it.
Best,
Martin
@@martinpauly So far, knock cranial wood, I've not needed one in the air (a boat is a different story). Not even after spin training (that I didn't enjoy). But never say never and heck yeah! If having to use the bag to experience what you did is the criteria, I'm in!
Another great video, Martin!
Glad you enjoyed it!
- Martin
Great video! Don't feel bad about having your stomach rumbled up--it happened to the best of all pilots: Bob Hoover, as one at the top. And many more.
Then there is hope for me yet! 😁
- Martin
Very well done video and shows that a Bonanza does not stall violently as some have suggested. Liked the falling leaf. One of your best videos.
Thank you, Jim - glad you enjoyed it!
I haven't stalled a V-tail yet, but the 33 and 36 models are pretty easy.
- Martin
Great job, Martin! Excited to see you experience maneuvers like this. Too bad of your stomage, but you did it!
I bet it'll get easier (on my stomach) with practice, Cindy.
- Martin
@@martinpauly I know the feeling as I were in your shoes last year, Martin. First time you don't have any idea what to expect and how your body responds, so you might be right. Maybe start with a warmup (some G turns) and a looping next time. Was great to see you smiling and don't give up! :-)
There are a few things that are very dangerous when doing aerobatics. One is overspeeding the airplane. Therefore I think the single most important item in the split-s maneuver is a speed check after rolling inverted and before pulling into the loop. If you are too fast, there is no chance to recover without overspeeding or over-G-ing. I missed that in your video.
Great flight. You stood it longer than I would have. Take care.
Thanks, John.
- Martin
Great video Martin,2 of my favorite CZcamsrs
Thank you - glad you enjoyed it! 😁
- Martin
That was so cool. You were holding on us😁
Glad you enjoyed it!
- Martin
AWESOME :D
I never knew there was an aerobatic bonanza, thanks for the informative video. Off to barnstormers to see how much they cost/dream!
Very well done, you made it look easy!
Thanks, Don!
- Martin
This is awesome. I wish I would have been a bit more daring and tried the split S. That looked fun. Sorry you got sick though.
Anything else you'd like me to write down for any future purposes? ;-) lol
The split S was fun. Definitely pulled more G than the aileron roll, though - those were benign. I should try this again on a cooler day sometime.
- Martin
Have you published a video on this yet? I haven't seen one, but then again, I've been busy the last few days. Oh, I guess I did watch it, a month ago! Oops. Memory goes when you're getting old.
@@GaryMCurran I did. Look for a video on my channel called we rolled a Bonanza. I was quite a bit more nervous than Martin but still had a lot of fun
@@JustPlaneSilly Bryan, as I said to Martin, I'm getting old, and forgetful. I watched it right after you posted it, about four weeks ago or so (according to the time stamp on the video)
Great video.
Thanks, Allan.
- Martin
Bet you are fun to watch on roller coasters and tilt-a-whirls. LOL
Great video, aero sure seems easy with a good instructor.
Thanks for sharing,
Rollercoasters: I love them! I'll ride them any day!
Tilt-a-whirl: I get sick just watching those things. I cannot handle spinning motion well.
- Martin
@@martinpauly I am the same way. ROFL
Watching in my chair I did not feel so well. Fun video
I can watch it on the screen without trouble, David. Unlike videos of tower climbers - I am terribly afraid of heights, and those videos are too much for me.
- Martin
Great video Martin. I own a Grumman Cheetah, but also I built an aerobatic Corby Starlet you see in my picture. Cuban 8’s are the most fun!
Thanks, George. I'm hungry for more now! 👍
- Martin
I would have never thought a Bonanza was approved for Aero! That’s so cool. I hope one day I’m able to make some awesome videos like this. Your videos are definitely motivating!
You can do aero in anything if you’re brave enough 😂
Chad Dossett you have a good point haha.
@@freelanceastronaut8692 ONCE!
Gary C you’re not wrong there.
Most Bonanzas aren't. This one (F33C) is.
- Martin
You’re good at this! And i’m not surprised. I remember i felt a little air sickness at the end of my first ever glider flight as your guest :-)
Oh no - I made you sick on that flight? I did not remember that.
Glad it didn't discourage you from flying gliders yourself afterwards, Frans.
- Martin
Martin Pauly after our flight i was absolutely certain to want to learn to fly gliders and i did :-) when flying with a guest of the airfield at home i would remember to give a smooth gentle glide path - except once when i had the last flight of the day on an ask-21 with a guest and i came in rather high (over the power lines along the A50 Arnhem-Apeldoorn) to a short field in front of the hangar. That called for losing height fast hard and safely which startled the guest, understandably.
Great job Martin. Your terrific pilot skills were obvious. I would have also gotten sick. One thing I’ve learned about getting sick is, once you are feeling punk, no more maneuvers because it does not get any better.
Thanks, Dennis, but this had little to do with my skills. These are fairly simple maneuvers to fly, and after having felt the controls when Scott demonstrated them, they were easy to execute.
Best, Martin
@@martinpauly You are being modest Martin, which is one of the things we love about you!
#1 Scott!
Also Juan getting a word or two in! :-)
With ya Martin had the same feeling flying a T-34 one day.
I haven't flown one of those yet, Mike - but would love to! Hopefully without getting nauseous again 😁
- Martin
Great video - viel spass in Palm Coast
Danke, Patrick! 😁
- Martin
15 Minutes is all I lasted doing this...Thanks Martin !!!
Looks like we both have something to work on, Bob!
- Martin
@@martinpauly Maybe even less than 15 min. We did a Aileron Roll, Inside Loop, and a Hammerhead and it was i could handle to not use the bag. I was ill for several days after ...LOL
Awesome flight Martin! I'm sorry your stomach let you down. I hope you didn't eat spaghetti-o's before the flight LOL!!! Now you have me lit up and ready to find an instructor and aerobatic plane. That looks like so much fun!!!
No, I didn't... 😁 This was late morning, after breakfast. It was a VERY hot day, over 100 degrees F.
And getting people excited about trying this themselves was my goal - with an instructor, of course. Go for it! 👍
- Martin
Well done. Would love to have the opportunity to get aerobatic instruction myself some time in the future.
I can highly recommend it - of course only with an instructor who knows aerobatics.
- Martin
My dad almost got one of those (an aerobatic Debonair) as a commission on a real estate transaction but the deal fell through.
Falling Leaf --- Cessna 150E!!!!!!!
You made that look so easy!!!! Me I hate rollercoasters no tolerance so no aeros for me. I am sure you will soon handle these as far as your stomach goes. just stick with it.
Hopefully I can build a tolerance over time. It was so much fun!
- Martin
Hope your doing well Martin, stay safe
Thanks, Ed - yes, doing well. I hope you are as well!
- Martin
I like doing rolls in my 172 because I get to practice engine failure right after
E330L for me. I did see and F 33 demonstration at fox field 2017
Good choice for an aerobatics airplane! 👍
- Martin
Love the parachutes....like you could get out of that thing tumbling to the ground with a wing missing....GA planes are hard to get out of sitting on the ramp completely still....
You are probably right. Still, by law, parachutes are required for aerobatics. So we didn't have a choice.
- Martin
@@martinpauly for sure. I just think it is funny. When I did aerobatic training before my CFI I had the same thought. The instructor said no doubt. Apparently the only time you are not required to wear them is when doing a spin training endorsement for a CFI. Did mine in a super decathlon...we did fallin leaf stalls and about 15 2-3 spin turns in both directions over two lessons. I was pretty near puking both times. The instructor was a lady about 75 years old and weighed 95 lbs. She could do spins all day long...
I get sick on hot bumpy days, no damn way I could do aerobatics, lol. Nice video though! I wish I could do things like that.
I should try it again on a cooler day. That day was over 100 degrees F.
- Martin
Great video und grüße aus München ;)
Danke schön - herzliche Grüsse zurück, im Moment aus Florida.
- Martin
Nice Job Martin but you probably shouldn't have had those two giant burritos before the flight. LOL! When we still lived in Oceanside, CA my wife got me a flight for my birthday in Fullerton, CA with "Air Combat USA". They flew two The SIAI-Marchetti SF.260's They are Italian light aircraft which has been commonly marketed as a military trainer and aerobatics aircraft. Each pilot in command took one passenger like myself and we flew out to sea over Long Beach and had dog fights. The planes were equipped with lasers and when your laser hit the opponents plane smoke would come out of the plane. Making it seem very realistic. I had flying experience while the other paying customer was new to flying. We pulled 4.5 G's a few times and that was about my limit. We each got 5 shoot downs in the space of about an hours flying time. The opponent had a bit of trouble lining me up so finally I flew straight and level so he could shoot me. It was great fun for me. I will never forget that birthday present. I have a video of the flight but unfortunately the audio in the plane failed to record. And yes we did have to wear parachutes.
Sounds like a fun birthday present, Preston!
As to my nausea - I wonder if part of it was the fact that it was 100+ degrees that day. It might have gone better on a cooler day in the fall.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Yes indeed it was extremely hot that day and actually all 3 days of the event.
Preston Miller did you ever get down to the Oceanside airport?
@@ronjohnson9507 All the time. Nice little airport. Used to watch the skydivers there too. We lived in Oceana just up the hill from the airport.
@@prestonmiller9552 i worked at the Oceanside airport in the 80s, i knew practically everyone there and my dad had a helicopter shop at Oceanside.
Awesome video!! I am so jealous! I was also nervous for you. Looks like the split S started your stomach down that path?
Thanks, Kristoffer. I don't think it was one particular maneuver that got me nauseous. It probably developed over time on this super-hot day (more than 100 degrees F). I'll give it another try sometime!
- Martin
Bail out, two words Cappy!
Power in the split s?
Fun one, Martin. Loved your comment about collecting the GoPros before you bailed out. Ha! Sorry about the barf bag at the end. Is the full flight (including your barfing) up on Patreon? You might improve your Patron numbers if that was one of the incentive layers.
Ha! Thanks, Martin.
Pay to see Martin fill the barf bag in full length? Nah, I think I'll let this one go... 😁
- Martin
@@martinpauly ha!
Great job
Thanks
Martin, while I may no longer be flying, medical issues, I still really enjoy watching you and others.
When I was learning in the1970's, I was learning in a 150, and stalls and spins were part of my training. Today's emphasis on stall prevention is a good thing, but pilots need to learn about stalls AND spins, how to do them and how to get out of them. IMHO, it should be a FAA requirement that students must do so many spins and so many hours of stall training to get their PPL.
We get so into the new advanced avionics and weather, and everything else that we forget basic stick and rudder skills.
By the way, I noticed a certain blue and white Grumman sitting by the runway. I haven't noticed, did Bryan get a chance to do any this aerobatic stuff?
Agreed, Gary, those are things every pilot can benefit from. And yes, that was Bryan's Grumman, and did go up with Scott as well.
- Martin
@@martinpauly Yeah, I went back and looked through his videos. I'm getting old, I guess, can't remember who I saw flying what. LOL
Martin on a completely unrelated topic, did you have any damage from the storm that hit Iowa?
Hi Ron. EVERYONE in my town (Cedar Rapids) had damage. It's a matter of how much, not it. Fortunately our neighborhood is younger and doesn't have large trees, that saved us from the worst. But we lost fences, some siding, and the TV antenna is gone. And we had power back after 48 hours - amongst the first. All in all, we faired much better than many others.
- Martin
Martin. You don’t have to feel bad about it you are in good company RJ Bob Hoover had to overcome the same thing.
Well then I guess there is hope for me yet! 😁
- Martin
Let me ask u question is airplane have special areoayic engine?
No, the engine in this F33C Bonanza is a standard IO-520 from Continental.
- Martin
Thank u man
I remember my first aerobatics briefing. Instructor told me “If I say eject, and you say ‘what?’... you’ll be talking to yourself!”
That's funny! 😂
- Martin
Would really liked to see a 1 G barrel roll...
Me, too. I see another flight coming up in the future!
- Martin
Martin Pauly GO GET’EM
Meh about the AF447 though - They were probably trained that way, and the FBW should've been able to recover in a working config by just pulling back the stick..
Meh? After how many people died there? The FBW was in a degraded more, so it didn't help. The captain, after entering the cockpit from his crew rest, was experienced enough to understand what was going on, and knew the remedy - but it was too late at that point. The type-specific training for the two occupants in the cockpit was insufficient to recognize and recover from a stall, something each pilot goes through in initial training for the private pilot certificate, before the first solo even. What Scott and I did there with the stalls and falling leaf exercise is EXACTLY the kind of training that would have saved everyone on board that flight. But the way it was, they crashed a perfectly flyable airplane into the ocean after the first level of automation failed.
@@martinpauly Oh I agree - the largest issue was and to some degree still is today that they weren't trained for recovering from a stall from cruise level, and especially with unreliable airspeed. Both pilots had probably done stalls exactly like you did in this video even after getting their PPL, but I doubt even doing it more regularly would've helped with the problem they had. Both pilot monitoring and pilot flying at the start of the event recognized they weren't flying in normal law. Remember, they weren't getting the stall clunker many times when they still were in the stall, because of the unreliable airspeed. The almost immediate panicking by the copilot (again, lack of training), the "hidden" movement of the sidestick of pilot flying to the pilot monitoring, unreliable airspeed indication - all factors which have little to do with this excercise in good visibility, with clearly moving controls to both pilots and a constantly buzzing stall indicator. As you probably know, the similar stall&CFIT of GXL888T and of course the classic - AF 296 - in every single one the pilot flying pretty much pulled back on the stick for the whole CFIT.
Sort of offtopic:
I know training today has been improved and the exactly similar type of accidents are unlikely to reoccur, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar, where the pilot just holds the stick back until colliding with terrain. At least Rockwell Collins & MS21 and Gulfstream have now started to put in active sidesticks - Too bad retrofitting them doesn't seem possible...
I hear-by declare your Bonanza ready for acrobatics. Lets see what your plane can do.
Nope - my Bonanza is not as strong as the F33C, and not approved for aerobatics.
- Martin
Wanna do aerobatics? Talk to Spencer Suderman
I think I'd reach for that bag A LOT SOONER flying with Spencer! 😂
- Martin
Ach du scheiße! Weich Eier! Lol!