Reviewing The Early 3D Sonic Games
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Let's talk about Sonic's adventurous years: for better or worse.
0:00 My Complicated Relationship With Sonic Adventure
58:21 Why I Love Sonic Adventure 2
1:42:51 Sonic Heroes is a Lovable Mess
2:19:46 The Unfortunate Legacy of Shadow the Hedgehog
3:02:40 The Unfortunate Legacy of Sonic the Hedgehog
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i've seen them all before, and you're right. im a sick freak and going to watch them all again.
wowe idc
We do @@xXDexter3000Xx
He called us out hard with that lol
@@xXDexter3000Xx Clearly you do care, otherwise you wouldn't have commented :>
@@dalttroxplays4991 i dont care if inabber has seen them and watches them again
“Not tonight, honey. Someone uploaded a 4 hour video about Sonic.”
Let me just add it to my playlist of mega essays alongside those videos about Nickelodeon kids shows I've never seen, quality content 👌
Y’know what, imma say it. Only OGs remember when this was called “Reviewing Sonic’s Adventurous Era” like 5 hours ago.
Better title. Get this to top so he restores it!
Era of Adventure I believe
Idk what jun senoue was on, but god damm were the soundtracks of these games slapped so hard
I still don't know what he's on but it probably started getting stale in Sonic Superstars.
Imagine being Arin Hanson and getting to sing city escape with jun
@@mechashadow nah it’s because bro isn’t fit for classic stuff and be using wack instruments
@@CrypticKnight10 Agreed, he wasn't even that great in Sonic 3 but widespread nostalgia claims otherwise.
One thing I love to say is that, no matter how bad a sonic game may be, the music always claps
I GOT SO EXCITED FOR A MINUTE, but i am a sick freak so this still makes good background noise
bruh
Agreed. Plus, I see you in most comment sections of videos I watch, so if you recommend it it's gotta be good.
viciously gooning while watching kingk?
During the Heroes section, he points out how Lost World released in a similar situation, where after they seemed to nail down a good formula, they randomly decided to experiment. But what's most interesting about that is that it's not the only similarity.
Because after both Heroes and Lost World came a radically different spin off with good ideas but terrible execution (Shadow and Boom), followed by a return to that older winning formula, except done worse (06 and Forces)
I think Sega might just be the perfect example of the saying "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
As a similarly aged Sonic fan with a highly similar experience throughout my years of gaming. It's very refreshing to see a lot of my own feelings put into words. The biggest tragedy of this franchise is how it got bullied into being the most down the middle, please all the fans, no story, no character, no continuity experience. I hope Sonic Team builds upon the somewhat refreshing return to form of Frontiers instead of giving us another key change akin to Lost World.
I've always admired the way you advocate detaching one's opinions on media from the general consensus. If you feel some way about some thing, nobody can take that away from you. These videos, especially the 06 one, gave me closure with this franchise that I never knew I needed. You have my sincere thanks for that. Have some well-deserved fun today :)
if u cannot argue against an opposing opinion it is extremely narcissitic to continue believing it out of personal bias. it is not admirable to refuse to change ur mind about anything.
@@xXDexter3000Xx You're misconstruing my words. I simply meant if you have an unpopular opinion you shouldn't always feel the need to defend or justify it. It's hard to "objectively" argue about opinions because they're influenced by innumerable factors in our lives. An opposing opinion isnt a bomb you have to defuse to prove your stance is right, its just another perspective.
it isnt difficult at all to objectively argue an opinion, every objective metric in existence was once considered subjective and through rigorous tests of scrutinization the truth was discovered. if an opposing opinion is inarguable, it is extremely egotistical to pretend its not to make urself feel better. this is a large part of the reason kingk's channel is so terrible now, he often goes "its my opinion and if u dont like it get over it". its absurdly childish.
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@@seematahir5970 That was a great, thoughtful response.
@@xXDexter3000Xx Mate, are you seriously trying to say that you must be able to rigorously defend your opinion in order to _like a video game?_
compilation or not, sick backgroud noise for homework. Keep up the good stuff man
Insane that I was rewatching all these this week on a whim and now this happens
"Can you imagine Generations with a proper story?"
You know, with the new Shadow stuff on that remaster, we might legitimately be getting that.
Hi, im a person who grew up with sonic unleashed. Ive always been harassed by other fans for disliking the adventure series over unleashed, and it hurts. Ive played and beat both Sa1 and Sa2 but i jusr didnt find it as enjoyable. Now before anyone tries to say "oh youre just a baby" or "you just dont like challenge and like holding one button to win." I implore you to beat rooftop run, jungle joyride, or even eggman land. That isnt a case of hold boost to win. It takes skill and is really fun. I have had moments in both sa1 and 2 where i had fun but it wasn't the same for me as it may be you. And i hate that, as a community why am I slandered and shamed for liking one game over another? I love this review because it lets me see others views on games without it being incredibly biased.
All I can say is welcome to the Sonic community. Your favorite game will always get you bashed in some way. It’s absolutely toxic and I hate it, but I don’t see an end to it in sight.
I grew up on and am an SA1 fan above all the other games, but I also LOVE Unleashed. Seeing as how you grew up on it, I can understand why you do. SA1 is just a different game fundamentally. It doesn’t offer the same breakneck speed or execution of movement that Unleashed does. Disconnecting from the collective consciousness and engaging in your favorite games in your favorite way is the only way to beat the unnecessary stress of participating in the Sonic community.
I wish you the best 🫡 and please continue loving Unleashed as you do now.
@@ChiefTakinawa "it doesn't offer the same breakneck speed or execution of movement"
Sonic's spindash and controls on adventure 1 are extremely broken by how responsive and fast they are. Who needs the boost?
I played the classic games and Adventure 2 and they feel slow in comparison. Only Frontiers can give me a similar feeling.
Well i hope to god Sonic X Shadow Generations will pull you back in again! Don't quit man hope you review it!
for him, he has to treat the Sonic franchise like it's the pokemon franchise where the recent games will never be what he wants them to be in terms of their overall quality. To get what he really wants from the franchise, he'd had to resort to fan projects and would have to glance over what's going on with the main recent games
why are u saying "fan projects" like its a dirty word lmfao @@minty6623
@@minty6623 I recommend Spark the Electric Jester 3. It's any Sonic Adventure fan's dream game.
The whole fandom needs to hear that 2nd half of the 06 video, loudly and clearly.
I WATCHED ALL OF THOSE VIDEOS AND NOW IM GONNA WATCH ALL OVER AGAIN
You sick freak, I bet you enjoyed it too didn't you?
I think its criminal that you don't have more views and subs. I honestly think KingK has the best video game content on youtube. Its so in depth and detailed. I love seeing a video of yours come out even if its about a game i dont like or never played. Keep up the great work!
"If you've watched them all before, you'll watch them again"
Aww, King! How did you know :D
Ugh the silhouette transition was amazing man well done
Giving the announcement of Sonic X Shadow Gen, this was well timed. Many might be coming into Sonic so a quick run down will be useful. Well 'quick' in relative. Love me some compilations as it saves me playlists.
Still a powerful finale at the end. One of the reasons I love these reviews is how complete they feel, giving me not just a review of the games, but of the reviewer who played them, as well, which is more genuine to me since sames are unique in that their interactive component necessitates the gamer's participation to be complete. You can't truly understand the game without the gamer that plays it.
It's the kind of thing I try to emulate with my LPs showcasing games to people, though I can only capture a fraction of the magic here.
There’s nothing like seeing something pop up in your recommended and knowing what you’re spending your listening time on. Even if it’s a compilation, love what you do, King.
I can’t ever get enough retrospective on SA, and SA2. It’s crazy how much more I appreciate these games as an adult but played them as a kid. I dropped off after Heroes until Generations, but it’s intriguing to see another gamer appreciate or review this series in the 00s . Feels like I can replay the ones I have and play through what I haven’t
I literally just rewatched all of these and you're godamn right this sick freak is gonna watch em all again
Oh boy. Here I go binging KingK again…
I had the exact same thing. Me and my friends loved Sonic and were completely oblivious to the internet hating him at the time.
Watching this reminds me why I love the early Sonic Games, especially Sonic Adventure 1&2 and yes I did like the Sonic Adventure Hub Worlds, I liked to listen to their soundtracks and relax.
I just wanted to note how the music syncs with the springs in 58:34 . That was brilliant
I just realized what makes 06 undeniably Adventure 3
In adventure 1 we get Sonic as Super Sonic
In adventures 2, we got shadow, and at the end we got both of their super forms
In 06, we got Silver, and the three of them use their super forms
So for an Adventure 4, we would need yet another new character and 4 super forms at the ending
Playing project 06 on my Steam deck. It works great if anyone else wants to try and great having 06 on the go
I completely feel you on playing some sonic music on runs. I love playing seaside hill and city escape from Heroes and SA2 on my runs
you are very good at explaining sonic 06, not much more to say, great job! got everything about the characters right
Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast was my first game ever and Sonic Heroes is one of my favorite games ever.
19:44
That glitch is exclusive to the DX versions.
If we get a SA3, I hope we get something between SA1 and SA2. I think the three gameplay styles of 2, Speed, Mech and Treasure hunting, work really well, and as long as they keep Speed as the primary gameplay, I would love to see them all return. But I would also like to see levels reused for different characters, but as a post game option. Like after you beat the game, you can replay Sonics levels with Tails to try to break them, find secrets and speed through even faster. Or Knuckles levels could be played through with Rouge/Tikal/Chaos, but they have different upgrades that change where the emeralds can be hidden. Mech levels could be like SA2 in the first run, but you could come back with Gamma under a time limit and need to hit more enemies to gain time again. Big can be an ultra optional hidden mode just for the meme if you really wanted it.
Look into Spark the Electric Jester 3. I'm sure you'd enjoy its speed and variety
How did he know I would watch it all again this man can see the future
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are still some of my favorite games ever! 💙
1:00:26 Wait. Sigma Alpha 2. S A 2. Sonic Adventure 2. How have I never noticed that until just now?
Right there with you
4 hours of the king? Let's go! SWOUP
Thanks for this
This is definitely a “have nothing better to do” type video. I’ll save it for a rainy day.
Cant wait to fall asleep watching this tonight!
2:14:25 I think they could’ve cleverly tied this fight together by having Team Chaotix pick a fight with Team Dark because Omega is the last Eggman robot that they have to destroy from the earlier mission
06 has the best ost
I watched the shadow portion of the video and realizing we might have a come back with shadow x sonic generations with doom being in shadow’s play through and back as the villain…hopefully and just maybe it will break the curse of shadow the hedgehog but also pay tribute to his game with all it’s flaws it still makes me smile when I play even with the edge and cheesy stuff involved. I just know 2024 is the year of shadow and im proud to say I’ve been waiting a long time for this.
It's been forever since ive played all of adventure one, and i never knew the level design was so similar to the classics, because the classics are my favorites!
"Why would Knuckles trust Eggman again after Sonic 3?"
He didn't. He refused to take Eggman at his word, and only believed what he saw with his own eyes. When he saw Sonic holding a green shiny, he just jumped to conclusions and into action because he's just hardheaded like that.
Ya know. After watching this again, I think I'mma go revisit Sonic Adventure 2. It's been a while.
0:30 - 0:36 The most relatable thing I've ever heard!
Your random comment about Tails randomly making a fake chaos emerald struck me as odd, since I always felt like it was a natural throughline to the background plot with Tails studying and using the Chaos Emeralds. Adventure 1 you see him gradually make improvements to his plane using a real emerald, which coupled with the logic that Tails studied the energy wavelengths of emeralds to detect them, and that Chaos Drives were a commonplace technology (remnants of ARK technology, which kind of helps reinforce Eggman's random suspicion too) it's not out of nowhere that he could develop a fake one.
lol that intro. I have watched quite a few of your vids a bit more than once.
Speaking to the part in SA1 about Tails not working, I think he should have lead more into puzzle solving like Amy. Flight makes it easy to get value out of puzzles that have more verticality, and it kinda feels in character since they decided to take Tails down the the smart boi route. Use this to transition him from trying to keep up with Sonic via speed to keeping up in different ways.
This video really resonates with me. I'm a rookie game developer, and Sonic was my favorite series when I was kid. I never had access to 06, but I always wanted to play it. I was shocked when I found out later how hated and messy it was. Now, my relationship with the series is full of mixed feelings. I still replay SA2 every year or so as a "guilty pleasure", and I spend a lot of time thinking about what draws me to it.
At the same time, I wouldn't be too harsh on modern Sonic. Frontiers has some really rewarding level design and boss fights, the open world design just needs to be honed.
I hope that some day, I can make a sonic game akin to SA2. But personally, I would make it so that the gameplay is awesome, but the cutscenes are meant to be laughed at. I think no matter what, the premise of sonic having an emotional/cinematic story is a bit ridiculous to anyone other than kids. I wouldn't want to disparage sonic, but rather display a sense of self-awareness at how cheesy it is. I think 3D Sonic could be true to its beginnings, while also having a modern context applied to it, and allowing people to laugh and lean into the fun. I'd love to know what you think.
2:54:49
Does anyone else get a little Aether Paradise feel from this song with some of the instruments?
Aether Paradise is from Pokémon Sun & Moon
The amount of possible of secret areas and hidden paths even the unintentional ones in Adventure are what I miss from the modern Sonic games, they just focus on the boost to win, when what makes you feel like a speedster is how can use that speed to skip portions of the level kinda like a speedrun. The closest I got to that feeling was with a game called Neon White.
Try Spark the Electric Jester 3. It has Sonic Adventure style gameplay with plenty of options to take secret faster routes if you're skilled enough at the game. Even faster than SA too, and not in a bad way.
Honestly i just want another chao garden
City Escape has gotta be top 10 video game tracks of all time.
If kk and bick debated Sonic Frontiers with Josh as the moderator, I could die happy.
I feel like if there's one game that warrants a remake more than every other game on the planet, it's Sonic 06. You'd have just about zero expectations, and no way of making a worse experience than the source material. If Sega did it right, it'd be brand reparation, and the internet's reaction would be legendary. Game journalists would lose so much power. Heck, if they really wanted to get crazy, then story-wise, it could just all take place in the new timeline without Solaris. Eggman would definitely find any new excuse to crash the festival, and we could potentially get an explanation as to why Silver would go on to keep showing up in games even when the Bad Future that gave him reason to go to the past was erased.
Apparently the Project 06 thing is really good. Have you tried it, @KingK ?
Silhouette by Kana-boon is now canonically the Sonic Adventure theme song. You can't change my mind.
At 18 min it sounds like silhouette from Naruto lmao. Great vid love the sonic video.
My favorite video game soundtracks of all time are from these games
3:57:53
“What I want for the future of Sonic… is tolerance. We need to be okay with the fact that there are so many different opinions there.”
**keeps taking potshots at Colors and Frontiers for most of the video**
You are ironically being the intolerant one here.
Also, you'd be happy to know that I really enjoy Colors. I just don't like its narrative direction or the precedent it set. Thank you.
3:42:10
3:57:29 - 3:57:47
I disagree. I think you clearly celebrate the Dark Ages of Sonic over the Boost Era, and went to great lengths to defend both Shadow & '06 by to downplaying their massive issues and convincing me that Colors was dogshit by comparison. You don't seem to be open to anyone who likes the Meta Era - isn't that intolerant? Though I realize was too in my first comment, admittedly.
Also, I don't think you hate Colors, but watching this would never convince anyone that's the case. Just like every other irony-poisoned Sonic fan (myself included).
Thank you for bothering to reply to me, though.
I just don't like a lot of recent Sonic games. It's not that deep. I have zero problem with people who do. It sounds like a lot of projection.
I would love to see your thoughts on unleashed. That game is my favorite Sonic game by far
So this is the “early” 3d sonic games? Are there plans for later games, like storybook saga, generations, lost world etc? Really hoping so, these games just get more interesting and i love hearing your takes
if he makes a sonic 06 video he better include project 06. it may not be a retrospective then but its the definitive way to play if you want to actually enjoy the game
Gotta go moderately quickly
A lot of the glitches from Heroes mostly happens in the PS2 version. 2nd PC & Xbox. And 3rd Gamecube.
I really enjoyed this. My love for Sonic never fades away and i'm from the same generation as you. My first Sonic game was Sonic Adventure 2 on the Sega Dreamcast and to this day thanks to that game (which is still my favourite but still prefer the Dreamcast version) i will be forever a fan. My favourite era is 1998-2005 with Sonic X and i can proudly say that i almost completed all the games 100%( excluding the boom games,the mario crossovers and a tons of mobile games like sonic cafe)
I always lie to myself that Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Advance 3 was the ending of the series and from Sonic 06 and Sonic Rush are reboot. The only thing that carries over from 06 is that Shadow now a G.U.N agent(it was implied in Expert mode)
I to this day collect japanese physical releases from this era because it gives me so much joy(Sonic X too)
The sad thing about Sonic 06 that when the game had it's first demo presentation,everyone was so hyped even those who never played sonic before. Like how the daytime changes through the level is also really cool that was scrapped in the final for some reason. I believe Elise was planned to be a "what if we carried over our original idea that instead of Amy, Sonic has a human girlfriend(Madonna) as a part of his 15th anniversary celebration." You could unlock that concept art in Sonic Gems Collection(2004)
But while madonna was more american cartoon style,Elise is a lot more anime influenced.
Still they went too far with that kiss even if at the end it never happened. I did complete the game 100% and thanks to the town missions like the apple one,i mostly hated it. S ranking all the bosses is a real chore. You have to collect all the rings and avoid any hit. That's the key. I love SA,SA2,Heroes and i do like Shadow but could not say the same to 06. But i do like the level themes they were going with.
They should combine the more open levels with the linear ones from these games for the next one. Kinda like 06 but the mach speed sections are replace with boost sections with the level design of sa2
Kinda curious on your thoughts on update 3 and the shadow trailer
Can’t wait for the next Sonic video lol
I was the poor kid who only had a PS2 for many years so Sonic Heroes was the first one I played. I didn't play Adventure 1/2 until many years later. Heroes has a very special place in my heart still even though I understand its flaws in hindsight. The music and visuals are ingrained in my brain.
Finally got around to finishing the video, It was great listening to another Tuber with similar sentiments towards the series as I gave, you're not alone with dread/worry for the future of the games; Frontiers was a skip for me as well.
Four hours of Sonic x Shadow!?!? That's hot
Wellllllll time to play some sonic adventure 2 again
What's the name of the song playing in the background from 2:00-2:25?
Gonna gwve w good shift at work today!
I mean... you're not wrong. I am going to watch it again. For the 4th time or so
I'm just glad I'm not the only one that's obsessed with sonic adventure 😂
perfect voice. thank you
Neat!
Sonic adventure 1 still have the best controls in the entire 3D series imo, which is just sad at this point. I mean, it's almost 25 years old now, c'mon sonic team 😂
Me estresa tanto que el Derki no use el item 3 cuando es necesario, sobre todo en la pelea donde hay que usar el poder de crashman
Never give up on Sonic :’(
(I’m not ready to give up hope)
Lmao I just started the video as background noise because it showed up in my recommended, I didn't even check the time. Hearing you talk about 4 hours I had to do a double take
I have an idea Tails and Knuckles gameplay. Tails levels should be vertical, in contrast to Sonic's forward momentum levels. Knuckles levels are good with treasure hunting, but can be spiced up with combat sections or just straight up combat levels. Both characters should have multiple pathways and secrets. Especially with Knuckles busting down some walls like in sonic 3.
All things considered, this videos ending worked when the 06 video was released, but this week, after it became clear SEGA are now pandering to Adventure era fans nostalgia via both the upcoming third movie and the Sonic X Shadow Generations remaster (both of which are clearly leaning back into Shadow's backstory), not to mention how Frontiers as a whole ended up being closest in tone and scope to an Adventure title (especially with the Final Horizon DLC), it just leaves the ending falling flat. It seems like the Sonic you loved, who you presumed dead is coming back.
i didnt know people hated sonic adventure till relatively recently. these games made me i was so hurt XD
you should use switch 3 more in aquatic mine, just about every emerald is reachable with it. most of the time you can clear the level with just switch 3.
Sonic adventure games were great in some ways, especially for kids, though not perfect. I think a lot of the interest is in nostalgia, and the music, story moments and chao garden lol
1:12:19
I actually like Security Breach. It doesn’t take forever to flip the switches and the level is very quick and small.
*skips major section of level*
"Wow this game is so good."
Yes
I will watch it again...I will...
I watch these videos regularly. I love hearing your takes ib the series. I'm interested to hear your opinion on Sonic x Shadow Generations
If you love the edgy hero version of Shadow the Hedgehog you should check out the TV show Sonic Prime. Shadow takes a front seat in the second season and is the best character in the show.
1:13:28
No, I don’t think it would give me that feeling. I already don’t think the short length and it being small is as bad as any of the space levels, but in the opposite sense.
Yes. I agree mostly with everything in this video and I don't like Frontiers. I hoped that at least Shadow will play like Adventure/P-06 in the future, but no, I saw boost in trailer so it's propably gonna be cyberspace gameplay. Go and try out Spark the Electric Jester 3. Also this Rolling Rascal game looks interesting.
3:53:14
I wouldn’t be bothered if they brought back Green Hill and Chemical Plant in a racing game. Only because Chemical Plant never been in one, and Green Hill hasn’t been in one since Sonic Drift 1.
Frank type beat on the anime intro section of the Sonic Adventure review.
Go play Spark the Electric Jester 3. If you liked the Sonic gameplay in these games, I guarantee you that you'll love that game. It does speed, skill, and creative pathway switching really well.