Ghost Kitchens Are Scamming You
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- Today, Josh and Nicole take a deep dive into the world of Ghost Kitchens and explain their view of the problematic virtual restaurant industry.
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0:00 Intro
0:49 What is a Ghost Kitchen?
1:57 Eddy Burback is Iconic
3:00 Mr. Beast Sues Virtual Dining Concepts
4:03 Reckoning with the Definition of a Restaurant
5:15 Josh Loves Dystopian Cyber Punk Fiction
6:20 Getting Catfished by a Ghost Kitchen
11:24 Mr. Beast Sues Over Quality
12:45 The Real Housewives Menu
13:40 Josh Wants YOU to Not Get Scammed
14:17 Should Mythical Kitchen Open a Ghost Kitchen
15:18 Rural America and the Need for Media Literacy
16:20 The Writers & Actors Strike
16:45 Uber Killing Taxis
17:29 Has the Food World Gone Too Far?
17:44 Wiz Khalifa's Ghost Kitchen
18:19 Josh Hasn't Seen Barbie?!
19:00 Restaurants That Are Actually Ghost Kitchens
20:23 Watered Down Branding and Slinging Wings
21:51 Ghost Kitchen Quality Control?
23:02 Food Trends 10 Years Ago
24:16 Lost Respect for Restaurants
26:44 Are We Old??
27:13 Snoop Dogg Doesn't Like Spotify
28:40 Thanks to Better Help
30:08 Opinions Are Like Casseroles
30:41 Poll Dance
31:38 Nicole Had Ghost Kitchen Ramen Yesterday
34:57 Voicemail 1 - Drag Queen Asks Nicole For Advice
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"Ghost Kitchens are ripping you off"
"This episode is brought to you by the therapy equivalent of ghost kitchens."
OMG I just left a comment about this, can't believe someone else caught that 😂. Licensed therapist here and thank you for saying something 🤗
It's called better help.
its even worse, atleast ghost kitchens have to have food inspections (in the uk they have to display their hygiene ratings and theyre the same as the resteraunt they operate from). better help anyone can just say theyre a therapist. i know there have been cases on delivary apps where food is coming from someones house, but the vast majority are just delivary only kitchens which have existed for ever with pizza brands
The problem with ghost kitchens is the opacity of the process. If I search pancakes I dont want to be surprised that my order from "Polly's Pancakes" is actually from the 1 star yelp reviewed Dennys three towns over, but for twice the price.
The burger den on doordash is also Dennys 😂
I started paying attention to the addresses to catch on to them.
We have a Polly's Pancake's here in northern NH that serves the best pancakes!
I always look at the street view to check, and when I have it my way I'm ordering direct from the place
Opacity....somebody thanks they are smart.
As for the mom & pop restaurants, if they really were trying to help them, then they would license their burgers to the restaurant. So it would be like "Mom & Pop Cafe now serves Mr. Beast Burgers!" That could draw people in that would then look at the rest of the menu as well, thus bringing them more business.
I agree. Otherwise I feel like it’s no different than what happened to businesses that outsourced to Amazon and went out of business because people started getting used to shopping on Amazon instead of the actual retailer.
That's how it should be. If I try ordering off of the Mr Beast Burger menu it should show a list of the restaurants nearby that sell those items and have me order it from an actual restaurant. If they want to have their custom branding and whatnot, that's fine, just make it very transparent where that food is actually coming from.
its a brand
29:39 Spends 20 minutes dissecting and exposing the problems with overly convenient online kitchens. Then immediately cuts to an advertisement for overly convenient online therapy… Chefs kiss.
Terrible terrible online therapy no less lmao, the ghost kitchen of therapists.
Even worse: these online therapy platforms often use marketing language in their ads that is along the lines of "they helped me through some issue and that led me to explore my passion (with the direct implication that their passion is specifically something that has been monetized)". They are selling therapy as this tool to help you make more money, which is deeply disturbing and not the point of therapy. I worry that there is going to be a whole trend of people seeking therapy purely because they see it as some element of this grind lifestyle and only using it for its ability to allegedly make them money.
atleast the ghost kitchens have some level of licensing and food hygiene standards. better help doesnt even have a way to check their therapists are qualified
Just woke up, had a dream about a parking lot full of free Corgis. That is all. Thank you for video.
Damn
Glorious 😻
W dream
I had a dream that my partner threw my cat outside and we had to chase her down to get her back
Sounds amazing.
I’m in the UK, in a relatively small town, and I noticed the other week two new chicken places opened up. One claiming to be American and then another one claiming to be Korean. I look through the menu and they are selling the exact same items right down to the menu formatting and the photography. And I was unaware of what ghost kitchens are, but immediately assumed that they were in the same building. So we absolutely have them starting up in the UK too.
i'm in Glasgow and there's quite a few places popping up near me that work out the same address - there's 3 different takeaways that operate out of a pub kitchen near me, for example 😱
I think I've been ordering from a loaded fries menu that's a restaurant or kitchen space in a local pub - no issues with that, of course, and it helps that it's good food. It's the brand deals (without quality control) and the repackaging of food to pretend its not something else that's the real problem - like a place with the same menu but pretending to be two different countries takes on food as above.
i have one of those where i live, theres 3 though, american, korean and then just generic chicken. the menue layouts are slightly different on the korean one but they are identical. and then theres 1 chippy that has a new ghost kitchen each month they are now up to 9 i think including the chippy itself. i dont see much of an issue with it because i can just do research on them and they have reviews shared accross them all. its at worst just a bit dishonest, they saturate the apps but other than that there isnt that big of an issue, its still food
I worked at Red Robin, who’s a ghost kitchen for both Mr beast burger and a pizza chain. It was the exact same ingredients from Red Robin….. just prepared how the beast burger was asked to be. And the pizzas are just frozen pizzas we throw into an oven lol
And no, nobody taught us how to make anything. They built the pizza oven and sent us mr beast boxes and gave us one sheet of paper with a little diagram on how to make it.
Ok this is going to sound so stupid but basically Red Robin’s is making me Beasts burgers for Doordashers or GrubHub to pick up??!
hell
to be fait thats not far from the majority of fast food places. does a chef really need to be told how to make a burger? also frozen pizzas atleast have a basic level of quality control, it is atleast consistant and isnt going to wildly cary from location to location, its why fast food becomes popular, even though its crap its atleast the same crap everywhere
Ghost kitchens could be a force for good if they were just used to reduce costs by sharing kitchen space and staff and offer a cheap alternative to traditional eating out. But, at least in the case of VDC places, the goal is clearly to increase the prices by tying them to a brand deal or just use delivery apps that make it more challenging for consumers to know where their food is coming from and whether they are paying a reasonable price.
i think people are smart enough to know if theyre paying a reasonable price. the worst case scenario the place has 0 reviews, in which case youre taking the same risk as ordering from anywhere. if it has reviews you can read them and see what others say. but at the end of the day you can order it once and if you dont like it never order again, if every customer does that the place wont last very long. you can also look at the location and just check on google maps, if its run out of an already established brand then you know if that brand is decent or not. really all it is doing is allowing kitchens to diversify their menu as they dont have to stick to the theme of the venue. a place called "papas itallian pizza pies" couldnt get away with also selling bao buns or whatever the next big trend is going to be, but if they make them and just sell them online then they can expand more and use the empty kitchen space and make more money
Describing Eddy Burback as the Hunter S Thompson of our day except for Margaritaville and Rainforest Cafe made me irrationally happy
I sit sad on my couch ordering from apps, mainly because I'm practically wheelchair bound due to severe arthritis. I'm too young to qualify for the 'Meals on Wheels' program.
I think it depends on which State you live in. Maybe call them and ask if you can be accepted due to your condition and proof from a Doctor. Maine helps people like yourself.❤
“I’m too young to qualify for a program that exists specifically to help people like me” is a deeply American sentence and I hate it. Bad. They should let you.
It shouldn't be age related, it should be need related... 🤦♀️ here in the UK 🇬🇧 it's need related and free... I hope this changes in your country it's not just the older generation that need help ❤ good luck
Josh can we have an episode on the beef industry and how it’s pretty much controlled by like 3 companies? As a rural Nevada rancher. Would 100% appreciate
I just want to say a huge thank you for making AHIAS into videos. I have APD (audio processing disorder) which makes podcasts inaccessible to me: with the simple addition of a couple of cameras I can now listen to / watch these really interesting discussions. I don't know if you did this to make your podcasts accessible to a more neurodivergent audience or if this is simply am unintended benefit but, either way, thank you!
Being someone who was a chef in a kitchen that has an actually in person location but we were also ghost kitchen 4 18 different companies it explotes the workers. I was cooking for my restaurant for in person and tobgo orders on top of doing to go food for 18 other "companies" all with different menus nothing was the same. Only 5 of us in the kitchen. Not getting paid more for all the extra work. Plus the companies would have fake customers who order just to make sure we were making the recipe to speck and packaging how they wanted it. Most of the time, we would run out of of the sticker and boxes they wanted and would have to use our own plain restaurant Togo boxes and we would get in trouble.
The difference between pop-ups, food trucks, and ghost kitchens is that people LOVE pop-ups and food trucks, but people generally dislike ghost kitchens, at least the ones like Pasquali's run by a larger chain. Other than MrBeast Burger, I had no idea about the other VDC brands-maybe people like those. But the cool thing about pop-ups and food trucks is that a lot of them eventually turn into brick-and-mortar restaurants-operating on a small scale first gave them the opportunity to develop their product and brand recognition. Ghost kitchens don't have that aspiration. If we want ghost kitchens to go away, we just need more of these exposés. You're right to call them a scam, and people don't want to feel scammed.
I had no idea ghost kitchens were a thing until this episode. I live in a small rural area though, so maybe that's why? I know the food truck craze started taking off here about 3 years ago while cities have had them for many, many years.
Pop ups and food trucks are also literal physical things, and they’re very transparent about what they are. They’re also very organic usually just based on the nature of their being. Sometimes sure brands do pop ups, but they rarely do food trucks; pop ups and food trucks often arise from an inability to afford the brick and mortar resources (as you said they sometimes move into those later when they can afford to.)
@@thenovicenovelist It probably comes down to the numbers for some of these companies. If your area doesn't have much of a GrubHub/Uber Eats/etc. presence, big chains like Outback, Denny's, Chuck E. Cheese are not incentivized to add their ghost kitchens to the app. I always thought MrBeast Burger functioned kind of like some franchises do: you want to open a ghost kitchen "location," you could do that-you already have your other restaurant to fall back on if the ghost kitchen doesn't work out. Now I realize that may have been naive of me. VDC probably aims to have a certain presence in well-populated areas and strikes a deal with whatever mom-and-pop or commissary wants to branch out.
@@Lucifersfursona Exactly.
I learned how to avoid ghost kitchens in my area by checking the address. Beast Burger was located at Smash Burger and so on.
One thing you may have never recognized about the value of restaurants is that it's a place for the homeless to exist. When you're homeless, you obviously can't be in people's home nor in many public spaces because of hostile architecture. One of the few places that you can actually sit and get warm even eat is a restaurant, and as long as you're buying food they're generally okay with that. I was homeless for years before the pandemic, and thanks to ghost kitchens, many restaurants haven't even opened up now that the pandemic is largely over. It always sucked being homeless, but it's just all the worse now.
Any Soup Kitchens nearby? I was lucky to have one in my hometown. Prayers to you.❤
@@nobo2979 Sure, there were soup kitchens, but they were only open during lunch and dinner hours. What the homeless need more than anything else is merely a place to exist, because nearly anywhere they hang out -- even just on the sidewalk -- is a place where they are unwanted and shooed away from. The fact that restaurants would simply give the homeless somewhere to be for hours made them more valuable than soup kitchens as a place to eat.
Plus, on a personal note, I worked overnights and so soup kitchens were only useful for dinner but otherwise I wasn't awake to take advantage of them.
WAIT this is a great point I hadnt considered!! And it exists with the whole trend of malls (and brick & mortar stores) closing in huge numbers! There's so many fewer places for houseless people to exist now that a lot of consumption is completed in the online platform... damn, what another dark aspect of us moving so much of life to the digital space:/
I live in Alaska, and it's funny how usually food trends are vaguely theoretical to me. We don't get big chains until WAY after they start getting popular, and trends like gastropubs are always late to us (we were only just starting to get them when COVID hit). Ghost Kitchens are extremely NOT theoretical here, and having that direct experience feels very weird to me.
I’ve been working in the fast food business for a couple decades and I find places like McDonald’s have more in common with an assembly facility then an actual restaurant. There’s just no love that goes into making the product it’s really just about how fact can you serve the customer and collect the money by the hour. That’s why I’m in the process of opening my own restaurant that specializes in home style meals to go. In a community dominated by burgers, pizza, and shawarma, I’m certain what I have to offer will be a hit, because unlike most restaurants I can tailor my menu how ever I like and what I have to offer actually requires that food be transformed into a meal rather then assembling meat and vegetables onto a bun.
I remember when Wendy’s were having a second go at trying to crack the UK market.
They started appearing on Uber Eats, but didn’t have any physical locations.
I used to work around the corner from one of the ghost kitchens and it was so weird to see temporary Wendy’s banners strung up on a nondescript, windowless building in an industrial park in Northern England.
We have 17 physical Wendy’s locations now, but pretty much exclusively in the south of England. I’d love to be able to check out a meal from a ghost kitchen and a meal from a physical location side-by-side.
I think your desire to taste a ghost kitchen and physical place side by side are all this should boil down to.
I had Beast Burger once, and it came from an Arby's. I can promise you that in any way it wasn't good, neither was the Arby's. I don't think the location is necessarily tied to the quality. There are plenty of gross physical restaurants.
As someone who lives in rural America I can tell you I have never bought anything from a ghost kitchen and went to a local farmers market yesterday to get fresh fruit for cheaper than a supermarket
I discovered two ghost kitchens.
One was Pasta Americana, which is actually Applebees. I recognized it because of I had the same thing at Applebees.
The other was Chinese food that I ordered through door dash. After comparing the map on Doordash with google maps, I discovered that the physical location sold pizza.
"We'd love to turn food into even MORE of a corporate nightmare"
I used to work for a bar that was a ghost kitchen for an unnamed famous persons taco shop and literally from what I understand they would literally just send us a pamphlet with the recipe and on occasions call to do business, like I don't believe we ever actually ever physically met anyone involved in that business.
It's funny they compared it to catfishing because the time I actually got hit with a ghost kitchen was some place called "Catfish Kitchen" which turned out to just be Captain D's. I figured it out when they apparently ran out of stuff because the order was just full of stuff labeled for Captain D's.
Another argument for Josh revisiting nyc properly: he has never watched Ghostbusters. There is one scene in the og ghostbusters that always stays in my head, and perfectly embodies the environment of nyc then. They are all sitting around trying to decide what to have for lunch… “Malaysian? Nah we had that the other other day, Thai? Indian?…” they just keep listing, its a perfect bit but also why nyc was/is the culture hub it is. That was a perfectly normal conversation for a new yorker then (1980s) since so much diversity exists there, not so much elsewhere until recently. Also all the subtle observational humor is right up your ally as a comedy fan, its the birthplace of that stuff
I think Nicole missed that the 40 different fish sandwichs didn't just look the same, it was the SAME STORE just advertising at 40+ different brands to get more customers. IHOP and Denny's have gks too, but at least its usually 1 or 2 and not hundreds
Edit: If you have the Chili's wings ghost kitchen its been amazing
Yea she's not the smartest person it seems.
she didn’t miss that part because Josh had just said “44+ restaurants” right before she started talking about the fish sandwiches. why repeat it when josh had just said it?
@@Gaby-bx3cv It seemed liked she missed the point that the 44+ was actually one restaurant serving one sandwich from the same location, not just all carbon copies of the same sandwich "like goo". Sorry if I misinterpreted
@@wooaahh23let’s not come for her intelligence.
@@xxtramom Well if she didn't act ignorant, and try to adapt this new extra personality for the camera then we wouldn't have to
There's one place I think is a ghost kitchen that I order from because it's allergy friendly. There are like 4 or 5 iterations of it, similar concepts, and I've ordered basically the same thing from each one just to see how similar it is. It's identical. This passes as entertainment when I'm sick. *They all have the same address, so it wasn't a surprise.
I guess I don't have to worry about being ghosted by a kitchen because I really don't order delivery anymore. It was great during the pandemic but now you end up paying more for the multiple fees and tips than you do for the actual food. Far too expensive. I'll pick it up myself, make it at home or buy a pre-prepared dish from the grocery store. I'm kind of sad about it because I did like the variety of food I could get delivered but I just cannot justify the expense.
I was personally victimized by Denny’s. When I worked overnight shifts, I used delivery apps a lot and one night I saw some burger place opened up. Ordered the burger and set for pickup to save on fees. When I pulled up to Denny’s and found out it was just a fake restaurant to trick me into eating there I felt truly damaged
if you know ghost kitchens are a thing its not really a trick. if a place ive never heard of and dont recognise pops up on deliveroo and i fail to do any research into it like look at the reviews and the location on a map then im not really being tricked im just blissfully ignorant in where my food is coming from
There were a bunch of ghost kitchens pre beast burger, I remember summer of 2020 in nyc there was this one spot in the lower East that must’ve had like 6 kitchens in one and it wasn’t a big company. Stopped ordering from there when I found out
I'm so glad I never use food ordering apps
I feel like a great podcast topic would be talking about the potential for a free food and health products through advertising. Such as companies like “ Free Water”
great to see you guys shout out Eddie.
I work for a Ruby Tuesdays in Maine and we have MrBeast burgers and as cooks we HATE making them. People order these Beast burgers and they are just TERRIBLE. Our "QC" is a single poster with the burger builds on it. Genuinely they are crap.
What makes them crap? And why are you guys making them crappy?
@kaldo8907 Well, the weird and crappy way they have us put them together is why. The end product can't be good if the recipe is bargain basement to begin with. The burgers are pretty much the worst possible concept of hangover food.
What's about being raw? That's literally number one rule for burgers, if you don't know what you're doing then it's time for a new job!
I'm in Gettysburg PA and just looked and they do the same here, as well as other ghost kitchens.
Him big mad that Mr Beast doesn't have the great ruby tuesdays quality.
Never really been one for food delivery, mostly because I'd rather eat at the restaurant or pick it up to save the fees. But something people may or may not know is that the prices of the menu items themselves can be up to 50% more expensive than if you order it directly from the restaurant, on top of the delivery fee. Mostly it's 10-20% but there's always a markup.
I'd add AirBnB to this trendy "ghost industry" motif. You mentioned Uber pushing out the taxi industry, and AirBnB has hurt the small inns and motels around the world. It is also effecting the housing market in a lot of areas because people are buying mid level homes to rent out temporarily rather than those homes being used as actual residences. There's also a whole conversation you can have about regulating these online/app centered industries that lack a lot of oversight.
Here in NY a lot of deli's rebrand their food like 20 different times in food apps. They ruin delivery apps for legitimate restaurants by making it really hard to find what's real and what's not real.
Some delis and bodegas serve up some good food but it's super sus when they have so many different restaurants on their one address. I've started checking every restaurant address that sounds decent. I avoid ghost kitchens like a plague.
Pizza pizza in my area does this. They have their chicken as a separate restaurant on the delivery app called chicken chicken.
YES I was just about to comment about this. I'm in a small town in Canada so it's pretty impossible for a restaurant to suddenly pop up without notice.
@@mildlydazed9608same! I’m in southern Ontario and I got really sus when it was the same address… the pizza pizza is in a mall, so I thought MAYBE it’s just in the same mall, but when it showed up in pizza pizza boxes I was upset. I hate pizza pizza. Lol
@@phyk3n hell yes pizza pizza chicken is garbage 😂
That is good to know. I saw it on Skip and was curious about this new Chicken Chicken but wondered if it was just Pizza Pizza. I don't mind pizza from Pizza Pizza but not the chicken.
I worked in somewhat high flying restaurants (bartender/server/cook) most of that we made didn’t travel well or could be set up right in a go box so none of them did delivery and only one had doggie boxes
I agree with Nicole!! I love pickup/takeout and hate delivery
There’s so many crazy ones on the underside of the crazy ghost kitchen iceberg. For example, there’s a Philly cheese steak place on DoorDash that’s a ghost kitchen being run out of the local IHOP. it’s absolutely wild what lengths these brands are willing to go to.
Cheesesteak in my area too. Never heard of it so I googled it. They had 1000 restaurants. I figured out it was one of those ghost kitchens. Did not order.
So many random cheesesteak and like, "artisinal egg roll" ghost kitchens near me. At least the egg rolls were a thing for a while, maybe not anymore. I have stopped using delivery apps in the last year or so.
Excellent way to start the day :)
As someone from relatively rural America, I would argue that ghost kitchens almost affect us more, because we don't get new restaurants very often, so if we see something new on the menu, we immediately try it and tell other people that it exists. There's definitely plenty of ghost kitchens around here too.
I was doing doordash when I first had run ins with ghost kitchens. I was supposed to pick up an order from a Philly cheesesteak place and it was actually in a Ihop and they had 3 other ghost kitchens there in the ihop as well
In my town, so many ghost kitchens are actually operated out of the local ihop.
Mr.beastburger came from Red Robin. A chicken tender joint is from outback steak house.
And there are some other random ones from random Chinese restaurants and aren’t Chinese food.
It is true that it isn’t a problem in rural America and in smaller cities. There were a few that popped up in our delivery apps during the pandemic but they are all gone now. Our city is so small (35k people although highly touristic) that when we see a restaurant we have never heard of on an app we question it.
I'm from a rural small town and I had no idea about ghost kitchens until now. I prefer to order from restaurants in person anyway. But if I'm working and forget my lunchbox I will occasionally order directly from a restaurant that hires it's own drivers rather than download the Uber/Door Dash apps.
The difference between all the other trends that were brought up like food trucks and gastropub burgers is that ghost kitchens are inherently deceptive at the core. Kogi never lied about its sourcing and products, pub burgers may have been overpriced but they didn't throw a Wndy's burger without your knowledge.
this is so accurate for so many ghost kitchens I've experienced here in Chicago too. However there are a couple excellent ghost kitchens around here that have been great starting platforms for some places that have gone on to their own brick and mortar once they built some reputation
I am just now learning about the very concept of ghost kitchens, thank you.
It’s very easy to tell the pictures apart and I’ve never worked in that field
I love it so much when Josh goes on huge rants about the cyberpunk hellworld we live in
I need to know if Josh has ever seen the John Carpenter classic 'They Live'! That movie has so much social commentary about subliminal messaging. I'd love to hear his take on it, and how relevant it is... as long as he can get through Roddy Piper's cheesy one liners 😂😂
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Good mythical Morning, and Happy Sunday!!!
You have to make a video experiment with avocado on french dips! You could also try it on other foods you think it might work on or perhaps go full french dip and work on other things that could spice up french dips
Always fantastic
Deliveroo isn't just a UK but it is from there. It also operates in Ireland, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Singapore etc and also used to operate in Australia, Germany etc.
My city still has taxis, ive looked up uber prices in my area and its twice the amount of just taking the taxi, the taxi is still in use because the bus doesnt service on saturday/sunday. I havent had any absolutely terrible experiences but this one guy would over charge by a dollar then would drop me off across the street from my school. There was one nice lady that dropped me off right infront of my school and only charged me 4 dollars. Because its so cheap i would take the taxi to school because i was 2 miles away from the school and my mom wanted me to get to school on time. I walked home after school. The school bus didn't go to houses unless it was more than 2 miles away.
getting an ad right before josh was going to expound on his guard against marketing rant is poetic somehow
I worked at a Friendly’s in New York and we were a ghost kitchen for Beast Burger as well as our owners made one for just our seafood items (disgusting truthfully why does friendlys sell so many different seafood products) but when they set up the seafood ghost kitchen they accidentally uploaded one of the photos that had the Friendlys packaging and it was HILARIOUS. I noticed it like a full month before they took it down and I purposefully never told them because I loved that their cover was blown.
Delivery apps are what ruined everything, not food trucks. Now you get to pay above neighborhood restaurant prices for fast food quality meals. I want chef prepared food, not frozen meals with sauces poored out of a bottle.
Eddy Burback's video about ghost kitchens was great. I haven't watched this video yet but I hope it gets brought up here.
So great to hear Snow Crash mentioned. It's an awesome cyberpunk novel. Uncle Enzo would be proud
Great episode, I caught the Terry Pratchett reference!
I live in a small town. I work in a much larger city. On my off days I do not like to get out. There is not even a pizza place that will deliver to my address. I utilize DoorDash when I am off. Looking over the menus I broke down and tried a Philly. It was not great and undersized. Then there was a place that did wings. I thought about picking my order up and found the address was the same as Ruby Tuesday in our county seat
YES! I feel so validated knowing Josh likes Dan Modern! I LOVE that place!!
Yes Josh, coming through with the Wiz reference 🎉
this is crazy, I just watched the eddy burback ghost kitchen video last night
A few years ago, I ordered pizza and some other junk from a restaurant I hadn’t heard of before. I didn’t bother googling it - just figured I’d give it a try. It was called Pasqual’s Pizza.
It was a Chuck E. Cheese. Pasqual is the name of the pizza chef mascot but they didn’t use his face. They didn’t indicate at all that you were ordering a Chuck E Cheese pizza. Chuck E Cheese also had their own branded listing on the food apps. No Beuno.
Taxis and ride order companies(let's be honest, you're not sharing a ride, you're ordering one) are very different. Taxis are regulated and have a governing body. Uber/Lyft etc. have little to no regulation and are always a crapshoot.
Reefer party🙌🏼🙌🏼im hear for that josh!
I second the avocado on french dips recommendation. I use to crave it when i was pregnant with my youngest. Id send my now ex hubby to kroger for avocado or guacamole and arbys for the French dip. it was awesome though i also put a ton of horseradish too which might be a bit wierd.
Never heard of avocado on a French dip til now but I am a big fan of tons of horseradish on the French dip no matter what. Avocado and horseradish I will need to try.
Too lazy or too burnt out? So many people are too overworked to cook or even enjoy food. We barely have the will to live, why would we spend 30-60 mins cooking in the kitchen? We need that time to dissociate.
I was a high level operations manager for the largest ghost kitchen company in the world. Lmk if you want any insider info on how this stuff works
I had Pei Wei delivered out of a Pick up Stix location once. Tasted like Pick up Stix too, but I paid for Pei Wei. It was wild. I've started looking at locations to make sure they're NOT a ghost kitchen now.
I’ve seen these places popping up on my delivery apps but if I don’t know the restaurant not buying
I’m the same as Nicole about delivery. Neurotic and crazy ftw
I have had some favorable experiences from a local "ghost" kitchen. At least 12-15 restaurants here in Anaheim are listed at the same address.
I order because they always have BOGO specials and with the added costs to delivery I need the break.
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I don't like delivery either 😕 When I order it's for pickup usually.
I worked at one of the big online food services about 10 years ago when Ghost Kitchens started to become a thing.
They started in a way because the sales department wanted to goose their quotas and the restaurants wanted to get more listings on the front page of the site. At the time they were not technically allowed but they were good enough for certain departments that they looked the other way.
At a certain point they decided to codify it because they liked that these "restaurants" were completely beholden to the site. Especially as the sites were increasingly responsible for delivery itself and garnering larger fees for handling both the order and delivery.
The irony of talking about how ghost kitchens are diluting industry to produce crap for cheap, then having better help as the sponsor. They are doing same thing to therapy industry which is honestly even more insidious. Just google some of the complaints against their company/ "therapists"
Very, very on brand.
I get Nicole. I grew up not having delievery so I just cannot see myself ever really using it. The few times I have, I find it odd lol.
love the Terry Pratchett reference
Josh never misses lmao 🎉
This is genuinely crazy, I wonder if this is a bigger deal in cities? Because I honestly don’t think my town has anything like this? But honestly who knows maybe I’m just not being investigative enough
Also avocado on a cheese steak sandwich. We have a restaurant called 'Wrap and Roll' that has a sandwich that's basically just that.
I remember complaining about how dominos didn’t have seating like Pizza Hut as a kid, but as an adult I’m like, wow I’m so glad I can just order this pizza to me 😂😭
In my town, there are now more ghost kitchens than brick and mortar locations, if you look on the apps. But I consider that a positive thing. It's allowed several local restaurants and smaller chains not only to survive the pandemic, but thrive against big chains. I do not see a problem with their existence, so long as they're providing new or previously unavailable food products and not charging outlandish prices. In some areas (like mine), it's made many previously unavailable foods available for the first time.
Uber eats may not be a giant restaurant but it feels like a digital food court 😓
I live in a small town in Canada...my biggest thing is going to visit family in a big city and seeing all the restaurants i can order from
I have also ordered food for pick up and found myself at some weird ghost kitchen location. I think that's how i found out they existed.
These ghost kitchen restaurants need to be fully transparent. It should operate no differently than if I was trying to buy an impossible burger. You don't buy an impossible burger from an Impossible Restaurant ghost kitchen. You find a restaurant and you buy an Impossible burger from them.
If I want a Beast Burger, I shouldn't be buying it from a Beast Burger ghost kitchen, I should be buying a Beast Burger from the nearby Chilis or something. In a food ordering app they should have the ghost restaurant with their menu, but when I select a menu item it should force me to specifically select what actual restaurant it comes from. That way I have control over where my food comes from.
We're not in the age of convenience. We're in the age of Fulltime working households, often with overtime, and no free time for many working Americans. The convenience is used because time is not available.
They keep trying to push ads on these expensive devices we buy. I keep rejecting them. I don't buy a device to get advertised to. Ads don't work on me anyway.
Can you please do an episode with a very detailed Grocery List? What you buy from different stores. I am so interested in what y'all talk about, but go blank when I'm at the grocery store.
Dennys, and chili's both have ghost kitchens I have been to a giant building in Utah that had at least 50 different kitchens
The irony of talking about how ghowt kitchens are diluting industry to produce crap for cheap, then having better help as the sponsor. They are doing same thing to therapy industry which is honestly even more insidious. Just google some of the complaints against their company/ "therapists"
this is cool 😂🔥
I had no idea this was a thing!