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- Prominent Islamic philosopher and writer Hamza Tzortzis responds to the controversy of Muhammad & Aisha's relationship. See the full discussion here: • Hamza Tzortzis: The Di...
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its not eye that is blind its their heart that is sealed. love hamza❤️
Blaming people for not being convinced? That’s very weak, mate.
@@user-jd4lk7jy9m You haven’t heard what he and his henchmen did to the Banu Qurayza tribe yet, have you?
@@user-jd4lk7jy9m Perhaps you wouldn’t know about them because they no longer exist.
After t*rturing and b*heading the treasurer of the tribe to find out where they had hid their treasure (and then r*ping his wife later that evening) Muhammad and his henchmen rounded up the entire tribe (600-800 people), b*headed every single man and boy with p*bic hair and ensl*ved the women and children. They committed gen*cide.
So all of this talk about Muhammad marrying a ch*ld, although it might sound disgusting to us in the 21st century, is almost insignificant when compared to the atrocities he and his henchmen carried out on the poor Jewish people of the Banu Qurayza tribe.
Muslims apologists will defend this atrocity by explaining that the leaders of the tribe betrayed Muhammad by going back on their agreement, but how can someone even consider justifying their actions with ‘guilt by association’? Should all Muslims be blamed for the actions of Bin Laden? Humanity says ‘no’, but according to the reasoning of their own apologists and scholars, they should.
Is that what you do? Just steal quotes from people smarter than you, and post them all over CZcams? I hope if you ever have a daughter, you don't let her marry a man 50 years older than her
@@brotherben4357 what are you even Yapping abouT ???
Its hard to see how the first two criteria listed would apply 1400 years ago anymore than they would apply today.
@@FA-hb3hf A 5 year old girl from Mexico underwent puberty & ended up getting pregnant by her own father. Was she considered a woman just because she had reached early puberty?
@@Dimitri1237did that happen 1500 years ago?
@@Dimitri1237 puberty is not "islamic maturity" you need to be phisicaly mature:
Mature in your Mind.
You need to be healthy.
You need consent.
And social acceptence .
@@oussamabekk1108That is why the age of consent was 12 for girls and 14 for boys during Roman times.
Nice discussion 👍
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vaginal tissue tearing that the vagina and anus will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penis glans into her vagina shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
The problem is weatern world takes marriage as a concept of sex being top priority hence they voew marriage in a lowly manner
We know not just for islam but in the past people got different for various reasons whether political reasons or social reasons or religious reasons it wasnt simply about sex as today
It was abuse. Poor Aisha.
@@electro639 if iT was she would have said iT , but she didn't , she only said good things about him S.A.W , so quit pretending to care and Go back to Ro*ing women , the West is the capital of Ro*e in the World , lol 💀
More videos with Hamza tzortzis please
Coming soon! 👀
Isn't he the same who got a royal drumming by the Pakistani scientist Dr. Hoodbhoy?
@@poorvasharma8807 lmao 🤣
@@olg2998 He did.. Unmissable it is. The jerk was saying that Quran has Field theory or some such Quantam Physics thing in it, to which the Prof simply asked him to write the basic equation on the blackboard, and the chocolate boy dint have the guts to even hold the chalk in his hand. He lies through his hat! Crazy
can't believe Europeans are falling for this shit of a Cult.. Gosh all Enlightenment goes down the drain
History has many references of child marriage but people don’t make them prophets and follow their example, so those references are baseless!
oy vey
Killing it. Great stuff Hamza
My problem with this video, is that he didn't go in depth regarding this "evidence" that shows the physical and psychological rate of someone's maturity back then. He also seemed to have twisted the numbers quite a bit. Child marriage was indeed a normal social custom back then, however, children were not getting married at 6 and consummating it at 9. The average age of child marriage was 12-14, somewhere in that ball park was the pretty normal age in regards to child marriage. So the case that Aisha was both physically and psychologically/mentally fully aware of marriage, spirituality, and physically ready is not accurate historically. There is not a single 6 year old that understands the concept of marriage completely. This doctrine within Islam is the physical embodiment of age is just a number, and gives Muhammad the excuse to be a pedophile. While Andreas is very respectful, the information isn't exactly accurate.
@@arlkai9884your opinion means nothing since Oxford professor Joshua little who was an Islamophobe spent 4 years studying aishas r.a age and tells us that it was a fabrication she was not 6 or 9.
@@SoldierOfAlIah That's an argument from authority which is a fallacious argument. Just because someone that went to Oxford stated that it was a fabrication does not mean that it is actually a fabrication. Because based off what you just told me, all you did is make a claim. You did not share any actual evidence other than this awful argument from authority.
The fact of the matter is that the hadtih clearly states that Aisha was 6 at the time of marriage to Muhammad and that she was 9 at the time of consummation. This is indisputable and the attempts to go around that fact are laughable because it just shows the fear of having a prophet marry a 6 year old and having sex with a 9 year old. Millions of Islam's sheikhs agree with this fact! You can't just pick and choose the hadiths that you want to believe unless there is ample evidence to prove otherwise. If it just stated her age then sure you could potentially get across proving this as a fabrication, however, it is not only that which is provided, it also provides characteristics of her being at that age such as playing with dolls.
I also find it funny that you go off what this so called scholar stated as Sahih al-Bukhari happens to be considered the most authentic book after the Quran.
@@SoldierOfAlIah I'm aware of his work and it brings up even more issues.
1. Fabrication of Hadith that caused widespread deceit and potentially harmed many girls
2. That so many Muslims have had to JUSTIFY intimacy between a 52 and 9 year old child because they BELIEVED the hadiths.
This just demonstrates that many Muslims will literally defend ANYTHING they think Mohammed did. This demonstrates a suspension of reason and purely dogmatic thinking. Sounds a lot like a cult.
@@iiddrrii6051 WE actually don't care about your opinions ! You're not muslim, so what's your matter ? Go get back you sister from OnlyF and Corn websites ! You have any lesson to give to muslims you wife and woman sellrs !
An excellent discussion concerning a controversial subject. Please do more videos with Hamza Tzortzis, for more insightful conversations.
@Craig Hermon I guess you did not fully comprehend Hamza's explanation. He suggested 3 principles based on humanistic values (not based on the Book). Humanistic values are what most atheistic/agnostic derive their morals from. In trying to justify the age of marriage, he has taken refuge under humanist values (this goes against the Book).
@@Seeker-ec1dd
Nonsense
4:00 Is he saying a 9 year old girl is biologically and psychologically ready for something like marriage, and to whom? Her own father's friend, prolly someone whom she saw as her father..
Also, why did MohAmmad give his daughter to young Ali and not to the older Abu Bakr and Umar when they wanted her? What a liar. These people are secretly ashamed of their prophet whose paedophilia and sex ManIac behavior they justify through hollow words
@@TheFatMan Ok Hazrat Yafoor
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vaginal tissue tearing that the vagina and anus will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penis glans into her vagina shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
Little did Mohammed or Allah know that this marriage would cause so much headache.
That's your opinion. It causes us no headache. You just can't accept it and have no intellectual counter response so you just vomit your biases.
@@EagerRanchHouse-cz2ch lol. Youre being willfully ignorant. You’re just a quick google search away. CZcams is replete with apologists and top imams dealing with this issue.
It may not be a problem to you if you support PDF files; but it’s disturbing to most Muslims and non Muslims in the west.
It just exposes moral relativism and that's probably the point.
@@EagerRanchHouse-cz2ch that’s simply not true. Many Muslims I know struggle with this child marriage issue. This topic is one of the most frequent things Muslim apologists focus on defending.
@@think-islam-channel Most people aren't philosophers. Most people are revolted and disgusted by a 52 year old sleeping with a 9 year old child.
It's more likely Mohamed was just like many other cult leaders who leverage their unique position for their perverted sexual desires.
Moral relativism does not matter when you consider the person the ideal man, when he is considered the standard for how someone should act and behave until the end of time moral relativism gets thrown out, when someone has a direct link with God who is all knowing moral relativeism is dismissed.
Yeah, if someone from the past didn’t know any better, why follow his teachings, his ways? Why believe the nonsense he spouts when he has reprehensible traits?
@@idreadFell365 you are an example of :its not eye that is blind its their heart that is sealed.
@@mujahidhasan118 “well sorry for not having sympathy for a man like that”
@@mujahidhasan118 stop supporting muhamMAD's ped ophiIia.
@@FA-hb3hf what type of argument is that?
So it is ok because:
1. Her family agreed to it.
2. A 9 year old had "physical/biological readiness" for marriage, which he doesn't elaborate beyond children mature at different rates. And I completely understand why he wouldn't elaborate on that one.
And 3. It doesn't question the prophet's moral perfection because he is the prophet and the prophet wouldn't do anything that wasn't morally perfect.
Compelling.
Honestly I prefer if he had just gone with: "It was ok when the prophet did it."
Trying to justify it just makes it sound worse.
It just went over your head didn't it?
Maybe it was above your IQ
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
@@owaissheraz Ok, I am not going to spend to half an hour putting together a response to all of THAT, since I just don't care that much about a guy who has been dead for over a thousand years and who he married anyway. I just pointed out what I saw as inconsistencies in the arguments presented in the video.
I will just make two points:
1. I have no problem accepting marrying children at the time may have been the norm and Muhammed was no worse than a lot of others across the world. It is when he is then claimed to a moral example to be aspired to for all time I take issue.
2. I would suggest either make the argument that the marriage wasn't immoral, or that she was actually older than believed.
When you make both, it makes you sound like you are trying to have it both ways and will accept or discard any principles, as long as they justify events you want to sacrosanct from questioning.
@@jacobp8383 instead of saying that all of tgem were wrong marrying children, u could just say that a 9 yr old at that time wasn't a 9 yr like today..... Simple
Like prophets own daughters
Ehy would he marry them to usman
Especially because he loved usman so much
U don't see how wrong u r
Because sir William Blackstone if made it legal, it was not something horrendous, it was normal for a 12 yr of that time to be more developed physically thsn a 12 yr of now.......
Anyhow there's much more prooif of islam being true
@@jacobp8383 You're absolutely right. I guarantee, Muslims would be parading Mohammed's superior morals HAD he TURNED DOWN Aisha's marriage at 6 years old.
I can hear them already, "See, he's the BEST example of all mankind, even though it was accepted in the Meccan culture at the time to marry very young girls, Mohammed showed us that it's wrong; see how beautiful Islam is?"
3:07
A guardian may not marry his prepubescent daughter to someone for less than the amount typically received as marriage payment by similar brides, nor marry his prepubescent son to a female who is given more than the amount typically received. If he does either of these, the amount stipulated is void and the amount typically received is paid instead (0: in both these cases, as a necessary condition for the validity of the marriage contract).
From the book 'Reliance of the traveller',which is a classical manual of fiqh for the Shafi'i school of Islamic jurisprudence.
you are an example of: its not eye that is blind its their heart that is sealed.
@Leo Messi a 6-year-old is not neurologically capable of consent for marriage or having s e x at 9.
It was a b u s e.
Thank you for the Clip. May Allah Bless you.
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vaginal tissue tearing that the vagina and anus will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penis glans into her vagina shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
Presentism is a very common but very poor argument for this - Hijab himself has tried to justify some of his own more controversial actions by providing an example of similar behaviour by sahaba. The point is once the Prophet does it - unless he explicitly denounces others doing the same - it becomes acceptable for all time. The argument of presentism always fails for this same reason when we talk about some of the more unpalatable aspects of Qur'an or sunnah (slavery, etc). If we introducing man made distinctions into what no longer applies, the whole point of the religion is lost.
Look man 2 conditions for marriage to be valid in Islam :
1. Physical maturity
2. Mental maturity
Physical maturity is determined by guardians. Normally minimum criteria is passing Puberty.
Mental maturity is when she is ready to marriage. And it's based on her upbringing, society etc.
Ayesha r.a had Satisfied both conditions. She had passed puberty at age 10 when marriage was consummated.
Mental maturity - During that time it was normal to marry at age of 10.
There is also hadith where she herself gives consent to marry Prophet. And she feels very happy about the proposal from Prophet. And also look at her whole biography how much she loved Prophet.
@@MZD15 This is actually false and you are committing bid'ah (innovation) by making haram what Allah made halal. Child marriage is completely halal in Islam. Let's look at what classical tafsir says regarding Quran 65:4
*Ibn Al Kathir*
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. see 2:228 The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
As you can see, not only is child marriage allowed in Islam, but also the rape of premature girls, otherwise there wouldn't need to be a waiting period for such girls.
Even if this wasn't the case, your entire argument is a red herring. There is no such thing as a mature 6 year old girl (Aisha's age at marriage), nor is there any such thing as a mature 9 year old girl (Aisha's age when Muhammad raped her). This is a scientific fact. In fact we know that girls today mature quicker than girls from previous generations due to better nutrition and healthcare. However there is still no such thing as a mature 9 year old girl.
Islam goes against everything you say. You should consider leaving Islam and coming to Christ, where none of this filth is allowed.
@@MZD15dumbest objection I’ve ever heard
I never want to hear another muslim complain about how morality can change with society again.
@@Skibbityboo0580 dude honestly it’s infuriating
so it's ok to have sex with a 9 yo if you don't hurt her and people are ok with it? How in the world does Islam claim moral objectivism
You clearly didn't watch the Video
And we don't have to waist your Time with you .
@@oussamabekk1108 Mohammed's cult following is the same as MAGA Trump followers; he could "shoot someone on the street", and no one would care. He could have sanctioned intimacy between a 52 year old and 9 year old, and people would cultishly, blindly follow him.
I guarantee, Muslims would be parading Mohammed's superior morals HAD he TURNED DOWN Aisha's marriage at 6 years old.
I can hear them already, "See, he's the BEST example of all mankind, even though it was accepted in the Meccan culture at the time to marry very young girls, Mohammed showed us that it's wrong; see how beautiful Islam is?"
don't cry. give arguments.
"What ifs" or "so you say" doesn't determine anything
Great conversation 👍🏾
We captured some of the women as prisoners, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to release sperms outside of the women (coitus interruptus). We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) whether it was permissible. He said, "It is better for you to release sperms inside."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2542
@@takiyaazrin7562 "Go shorty,It's your birthday, We gon' party like it's your birthday"
Mahatma Gandhi
😉
Love this edit. Probably the most rational answer I've heard on a very sensitive topic.
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vaginal tissue tearing that the vagina and anus will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penis glans into her vagina shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
Except that every point he makes can be refuted by a 15 year old.
@@bohabbibab5858 There is a man who would refute anything you say. A homosexual is bent on believing his lifestyle is perfect. A drug addict will try to convince you joy in getting high. A transitory fornicator hoping from one girlfriend to next will tell you it is absurd to sleep with only one woman, i.e, marriage. Alcohol can convince you, as long as you do me in moderation, I will be your friend. There is a man out there who believes you can DO anything as long as it brings you pleasure and does not hurt others. There is a man out there who would tell you Earth is flat. There is a man out there who would worship a man's penis, i.e, Lingam, because it has generative power, i.e, reproduce. A white supremacist will have you believe white people with blue eyes, golden hair, and good looking are inheritor of the Earth. I was told not to visit certain places in Kentucky because of my skin color.
US men will defend nuking innocent people of Japan as great victory of America but in reality is DEFEAT of humanity! It proved humans who have wisdom of a teenager or less by creating humanity's extinction level event! In short, you can believe ANYTHING you want to because it even lets you put faith in a 15 years old teenage wisdom.
Good luck to you!
Rational? Dude is the king of rationalizing if that's what you mean. Muhammad married a 6 year old. Muhammad said he was the role model for humanity to follow. The end. Children get married off to skeevy old men to this very day because of Muhammad's example. So Hamza can GTFO with his bs. Why didn't Muhammad explain all this in great detail if all these other factors were to be applied? Why does it take a conniving twat like HT to duck and weave around a very basic historical event?
@@bohabbibab5858 Yeah really would like to hear it instead of crying around
There is no way telling the physical or psycological readiness of girls in 7th century. Where is the principle in quran?
It seems you have descended from Mars isn't that you don't understand commonsense things , You don't try to admit that the strong enemies of prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him never ever criticised prophet Muhammad Peace be upon for marrying a Child as per view point given the fact they were in dire need of such a great opportunity similarly you are looking at today but they never did that they said everything about prophet like Mad,Poet , Possessed by devil 👿👿 and all that stuff but never redicule him for marriage with Aesha ra because it was a norm of the society then.
@@lightofislam4023 don't waist your Time , it's not that they are concerned abouT anything , they just hate Izlam , and they are looking for stupide excuses 😂😂😂.
@@oussamabekk1108 indeed Bro
most Church Early fathers believed Mary was married of when she was 12 years old and Joseph the carpenter was a very old man. Here is the list of fathers who believed that Joseph was fourscore years old when he married 12 year old Mary:
1. Epiphanius (Born 310Ad - Died 403Ad)
2. Hilary (Hilarius) of Poitiers (Born 300 - Died 368Ad)
3. John Chrysostom (Born between 344 and 349 - Died 407Ad)
4. Cyril of Alexandria (Born 376Ad - Died 444Ad)
5. Saint Euthymius the Great (Born 377 - Died 20 January 473)
6. Theophylact of Ohrid (also known as Theophylact of Bulgaria) (Born 1055 - 1107)
7. Cecumenius
8. Eusebius (Born 263 - Died 339 Ad)
People wouldn't really attack Islam on this point that much if they ACTUALLY READ THE TRADITIONS NARRATED BY THE PERSON IN QUESTION (Mother Aisha RA) HERSELF.
Anti Islamic polemicists love to pounce on this issue which is narrated in the Sahih hadith traditions but conveniently turn a blind eye to the traditions narrated by Mother Aisha RA herself.
Nothing in those accounts shows the teeniest, tiniest bit of an unequal relationship.
1) We have highly authentic narrations of Mother Aisha following Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) after he left her apartment at night because she feared that he might be visiting his other wives on her night whereas he was actually visiting a nearby graveyard to pray for the deceased. Why would someone who - according to you - is a subdued and oppressed party in a relationship act in such a manner.
2) We have another authentic narration where the Prophet upon whom be peace asked Mother Aisha RA one of these such nights if she could excuse him as he had to offer voluntary prayers. Do you know what she said? "I love being close to you, but I will not keep you from your prayer" or something along those lines.
3) Multiple narrations of Mother Aisha RA having marital disputes with the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In fact, she was by far the most vocal wife of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). The meek and scared portrayal of her that Islamophobes love to portray simply is not true. One time - and may Allah SWT forgive her - she crossed the line in one of these disputes and her father upon hearing this came to discipline her but the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) physically stopped him from hurting her and when he had sent him away, made a light joke about the incident. When Mother Aisha's father returned he was surprised to find the two of them joking and laughing along together. Again, the "oppressed" figure they like to paint our mother as simply does not exist.
4) By far, BY FAR, she was the most attached of all the wives to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Many times when he married, she became upset as she had to compete with even more co wives for the undivided love and attention of the man whom she loved most. Would someone who - according to Islamophobes - was living a traumatizing reality be pleased at the increase of her co wives or become upset.
Consent is not as arbitrary as a mere number. What about 18 is so special? I agree that in this day and age, most women will not consent to having relations with someone significantly older than them but notions of consent vary from place to place and time to time.
@@TheOneLogic69 so you're basically cherry picking? You BELIEVE that Aisha (ra) did marry the Prophet (pbuh) due to muslim sources, yet when these same muslim sources provide context, you deny it to fit your criteria of a pedophilia allowing religion. All you're doing is cherry picking and sounding dumb. Either believe in all the sources which we can prove to be true and you cant prove to be false, or just deny all of them including the fact that she married him.
Ohhh fascinating !! That's true !! I am so happy that I became muslim 9 years ago 🥰🥰🥰 ! everyday I am amazed by the miraculous Quran. The history, the language especially (!!!), the science, etc, THE GUIDANCE, everything is beyond magnificent! Ahhh I am so happy to be muslima
@@TheOneLogic69 Poking someone in the chest is NOT domestic abuse. Stop back projecting 21st century values onto the 7th century. Domestic abuse entails trauma. If you want to know what domestic abuse is, read other narrations about the woman who came complaining to the Prophet PBUH about her husband who mercilessly beat her and the Prophet PBUH gave her his personal cloak so that when she returned to her abusive husband he would know that she was under the Prophet's protection (PBUH).
News flash, things like these happen all the time between married couples. There is a world of a difference between shaking someone by the shoulder, a little pushing around, grabbing your wife's wrist if she's punching/slapping you to make her stop AND beating someone by a belt or causing someone to bruise or bleed. Islam recognises that the former happens in almost every household and places it as a sort of last resort for when things heat up. The latter is unacceptable in Islam and denounced by the Prophet PBUH in several traditions.
It's time you wake up from your overly sensitive, replete worldview
@@TheOneLogic69 welll after the death of the prophet she said 30+ yrs of window to do anything why did she go out og her way to teach all of this ?
atleast she would have stayed silent tht would supoort ur point..
this is b.s why would anyone take ur stance.
Who decides what’s “authentic” ?
Aisha lost her hair by 18 if im not mistaken
"This is actually a massive issue for Muslims and always will be an issue because it goes against objective morality regarding the treatment of children (especially girls). Child marriage is completely halal in Islam. Let's look at what classical tafsir says regarding Quran 65:4
Ibn Al Kathir
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. see 2:228 The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
As you can see, not only is child marriage allowed in Islam, but also the XXX of premature girls, otherwise there wouldn't need to be a waiting period for such girls.
Even if this wasn't the case, your entire argument is a red herring. There is no such thing as a mature 6 year old girl (Aisha's age at marriage), nor is there any such thing as a mature 9 year old girl (Aisha's age when Muhammad XXX her). This is a scientific fact. In fact we know that girls today mature quicker than girls from previous generations due to better nutrition and healthcare. However there is still no such thing as a mature 9 year old girl."
Presenting? Before Islam in Roman times, the age of consent was 12 for girls and 14 for boys.
Not at all convincing...this shows how ignorant the defence statements have propagated
Which moral yardstick do you use?
@@think-islam-channel Mohammed's cult following is the same as MAGA Trump followers; he could "shoot someone on the street", and no one would care. He could have sanctioned intimacy between a 52 year old and 9 year old, and people would cultishly, blindly follow him.
I guarantee, Muslims would be parading Mohammed's superior morals HAD he TURNED DOWN Aisha's marriage at 6 years old.
I can hear them already, "See, he's the BEST example of all mankind, even though it was accepted in the Meccan culture at the time to marry very young girls, Mohammed showed us that it's wrong; see how beautiful Islam is?"
Age 6 it’s a constant matter cos it’s important to people so many people have spoken of this matter no resolutions.
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
czcams.com/video/BzAjOED3Kdg/video.html historical prophecies (Babylon)
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences.
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
Wow this guy accepted that Aisha was 9. The comparison with Europeans is a red herring. Europeans don't emulate medieval kings or present them as ideal human beings who the rest of the society should follow
@@jakejohn1256 so was Mohammmad an ideal human or not?
@@ShanKhan-cj7nv How do you decide that when your morality is subjective? Not an attack, just curious
@@----f Morality is of course subjective. We have our own opinions. Muslims think girls should be denied education and should walk around in bin bags and suppressed, I don't think so
“No psychological or physical harm”, got it
Now your acting foolish here with you liberal standpoint here it was the sixth century WERE THIS WAS NORMAL to happen as the life expectancy was 30-35 and people matured QUICKER THEN TODAYS STANDARDS just because in today's society everyone gets PTSD from failing their test doesn't not mean she was phycologically harmed and if you have proof I would gladly want to
see it, please educate yourself
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
Yessss, indeed,,, u r reading one hadith that tells she was 9 wat about all the other ahadith where she literally shows her affection, jealousy for prophet pbuh
And she was someone very confident to speak her words and make everyone laugh around her,,, she was even the commander in chief of battle of 🐪
@@owaissheraz Can you imagine how that would go in a court today... Your honor, it's a non issue that my 52 year old client is sleeping with a 9 year old because there's hearsay that she was confident and has affection for my client. Can we all just go home now?
#definitely_not_groomed
@@iiddrrii6051
Ask the doctors before 1800 or your sir William Blackstone
Because u don't have a mind
That u r forcefully looking a 9 yr pf today equal to 9 yr of 1400 yrs behind
Definitely they weren't same
I ll present twp ahadith rest, the hell with u
Allah doesn't guide the arrogant
Sahih Muslim صحیح مسلم
Hadith # 6290
Translation:
Aisha, the wife of Allahs Apostle ﷺ , said: The wives of Allahs Apostle ﷺ sent Fatima, the daughter of Allahs Messenger ﷺ , to Allahs Apostle ﷺ . She sought permission to get in as he had been lying with me in my mantle. He gave her permission and she said: Allahs Messenger, verily, your wives have sent me to you in order to ask you to observe equity in case of the daughter of Abu Quhafa. She (Aisha) said: I kept quiet. Thereupon Allahs Messenger ﷺ said to her (Fatima): O daughter, dont you love whom I love? She said: Yes, (I do). Thereupon he said: I love this one. Fatima then stood up as she heard this from Allahs Messenger ﷺ and went to the wives of Allahs Apostle ﷺ and informed them of what she had said to him and what Allahs messenger ﷺ had said to her. Thereupon they said to her: We think that you have been of no avail to us. You may again go to Allahs Messenger ﷺ and tell him that his wives seek equity in case of the daughter of Abu Quhafa. Fatima said: By Allah, I will never talk to him about this matter. Aisha (further) reported: The wives of Allahs Apostle ﷺ then sent Zainab bin jahsh, the wife of Allahs Apostle ﷺ , and she was one who was somewhat equal in rank with me in the eyes of Allahs Messenger ﷺ and I have never seen a woman more advanced in religious piety than Zainab, more God-conscious, more truthful, more alive to the ties of blood, more generous and having more sense of self-sacrifice in practical life and having more charitable disposition and thus more close to God, the Exalted, than her. She, however, lost temper very soon but was soon calm. Allahs Messenger ﷺ permitted her to enter as she (Aisha) was along with Allahs Messenger ﷺ in her mantle, in the same very state when Fatima had entered. She said: Allahs Messenger, your wives have sent me to you seeking equity in case of the daughter of Abu Quhafa. She then came to me and showed harshness to me and I was seeing the eyes of Allahs Messenger ﷺ whether he would permit me. Zainab went on until I came to know that Allahs Messenger ﷺ would not disapprove if I retorted. Then I exchanged hot words until I made her quiet. Thereupon Allahs Messenger ﷺ smiled and said: She is the daughter of Abu Bakr.
Sahih Muslim صحیح مسلم
Hadith # 6298
Translation:
Aisha reported that when Allahs Messenger ﷺ set ont on a journey, he used to cast lots amongst his wives. Once this lot came out in my favour and that of Hafsa. They (Hafsi, and Aisha) both went along with him and Allahs Messenger ﷺ used to travel (on camel) when it was night along with Aisha and talked with her. Hafsa said to Aisha: Would you like to ride upon my camel tonight and allow me to ride upon your camel and you would see (what you do not generally see) and I would see (what I do not see) generally? She said: Yes. So Aisha rode upon the camel of Hafsa and Hafsa rode upon the camel of Aisha and Allahs Messenger ﷺ came near the camel of Aisha. (whereas) Hafsa had been riding over that. He greeted her and then rode with her until they came down. She (Aisha) thus missed (the company of the Holy Prophet) and when they sat down, Aisha felt jealous. She put her foot in the grass and said: O Allah, let the scorpion sting me or the serpent bite me. And so far as thy Messenger is concerned, I cannot say anything about him.
Aisha (ra) relates the following about her husband, the Prophet (saw):
I swear by Allah that I saw Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) standing at the door of my room while the Abyssinians were engaged in spear play in the mosque of Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him). He screened me with his cloak so I could watch them perform. He stood there for my sake until I decided that I had had enough. Now just imagine how much time a young girl eager for entertainment would stand there watching. [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
Once the Prophet Muhammad (saw) was sitting in a room with Aisha (ra) and fixing his shoes. It was very warm, and Aisha looked to his blessed forehead and noticed that there were beads of sweat on it. She became overwhelmed by the majesty of that sight and was staring at him long enough for him to notice.
He said, “What’s the matter?” She replied, “If Abu Bukair Al-Huthali, the poet, saw you, he would know that his poem was written for you.”The Prophet, peace be upon him, asked, “What did he say?” She replied, “Abu Bukair said that if you looked to the majesty of the moon, it twinkles and lights up the world for everyone to see.” So the Prophet, peace be upon him, got up, walked to Aisha, kissed her between the eyes, and said, “By God, O Aisha, you are like that to me and more.” (Dala’el Al-Nubuwa
@4:38 excellent point regarding European customs
This guy was in aisha head at the time.
You don't need to be in someone's head to know them.the Hadith clearly point how Aisha ra was and how the conditions of that time made her a woman early .so instead of judging him of knowing things that can't be known according to you of course ,why don't you refute his claims.
@@Xenor999She was 9 years old though? Why is it the case that momo is the only man in history recorded to have hardcore sex with a girl that age? Like…. No one in the Bible did that dude or like IN GENERAL ALMOST ANY WHERE!!!
@@cameroncarter6789😂😂 did you really say the bible?? Look at the age when Mary married Joseph. Look the age when Rebecca married Isaac. Look athe age of consent for Roman women. Look at the age when Genghis Khan married his first wife. Don't be ridiculous and think that's how the bible is completely different....
@@binkster3121 None of them were 100% confirmed 9. Even the king of England who was betrothed at age 6 waited until his Queen was 12 to have sex with his Queen. You’re NOT SUPPOSED TO FIND 8 YEAR OLD GIRLS ATTRACTIVE!!! Period!!! Cavemen, Noach, Abraham, Cain, mythical Gods, all great leaders, every scientist who ever lived, every philosopher who ever lived, every despot who ever lived and literally EVERY PERSON YOU CAN THINK (I DARE you to find me one who fucked a 9 year old and rubbed his dick on a 6 year olds pussy) did not have hard core sex with a 9 year old. Muhammad holds the world record. It’s just natural!!! You don’t find 9 year olds hot! Men like boobs and ass, not flat chest and bald vaginas….
@@binkster3121 no response , huh?!?!? Just leave Islam and accept the truth of Judaism dude
Did Emmanuel Kant or John Locke condemn child marriages in any of their work??
Did Emmanuel Kant or John Locke claim divinity? did they claim that they spoke to a God? Did they claim that the they are the best person of all time and should be taken as role models? Furthermore neither of them married a 9 year old anyway.
@@ADot-fi1ny You didn't answer my question after writing so many words. If u don't have anything coherent, then don't respond. It's just that simple.
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
And the final objection to the marriage of prophet is if he wss a role model of all generations why would he marry a girl in a age inappropriate for next generations
*Answer*
In islam age isn't what matters but it's rather the maturity of bride,,if she is old and mature enough to physically and mentally cope up marriage she can do marriage
And in her case she was, because she didn't show any sogns of abuse
Again,,,if u want to object than at least go through life of hazrat Ayesha instead of taking just one hadith of her age
Its very clear our Mother Aysha *Ra* wasn't A Character seems abused at all..
She was one of the Greatest Scholars of Islam..
She loved her Husband *Saw*and famous for he brilliant memory and pious Character .
And so much more ..
A strong personality with so much Knowledge including Herbal medicine and more.
Its problematic that this been abused even Those Time that was normal socially all over The World 🌏
Must include some remarks related to clear hypocrisy .
We know Child porn and incest is a Problem and it's a shame the Silence.
Including Muslims honestly.
Such a crime..
Kids..
And it's covered here that Girls became Women much earlier than in Colder places.
☀️
Sun ..
And now no-one is Socially prepared as such young age even if their body is matured .
So it becomes a crime when a sense of responsibility established is Not there.
In Brasil as one example such early relationships is something which is there.
And also the attitude of saying free relationships are more acceptable than marriage.
Not related but it's about what being focused on..
Globally🌏
You freaks are absolutely crazy. He molested and raped a 6 year old girl. Sorry she was 9 before puberty and Allah said raping her was OK. So since Allah says it’s OK then it’s OK?
Mashallah 🤩
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vegenal tissue tearing that the vegene and anu s will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penes glans into her vegene, shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
The average age of marriage in Elizabeth one’s time was actually early 20s because ppl needed money to marry. Royals/ aristos married early but did not consummate or even share a room until mid teens. This is wht was socially acceptable for reasons of physical heath to girls and babies ( menstruation was actually later due to nutrition.)
Im sure - broadly - the same was true in Arabia.
To me 9 was made up by the real writers of the Quran to empasize Aishas purity. Doesnt say much for Gabriel’s dictation or the timelessness of Islam tho
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
And the final objection to the marriage of prophet is if he wss a role model of all generations why would he marry a girl in a age inappropriate for next generations
*Answer*
In islam age isn't what matters but it's rather the maturity of bride,,if she is old and mature enough to physically and mentally cope up marriage she can do marriage
And in her case she was, because she didn't show any sogns of abuse
Again,,,if u want to object than at least go through life of hazrat Ayesha instead of taking just one hadith of her age
Aisha was 9 at the time of marriage and she herself said she reached puberty before marriage.
"Child" by definition is below puberty. She was not below puberty. So she was not a child.
Pedophile by definition is someone who has "persistent sexual interest" in "prepubescent" "child".
But Aisha wasn't a child and nor was she prepubescent.
So it cannot be pedophilia even by definition.
Also...
All of prophets wives were widows and divorcees. Only Aisha was the virgin.
It was a women who originally suggested Aisha's father and the prophet to marry her.
The Prophet and Aisha's family waited 3 years after betrothal for Aisha to be ready for marriage.
So it cannot be pedophilia based on the context & situation either.
Even before marrying prophet Muhammad, she was already engaged with a non-muslim called: Jubayr Ibn Mutim.
She herself said that when a girl at her time reaches the age of 9, she becomes a woman.
According to the average life expectancy of that time, she already passed 25% of her life at the age of 9.
Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#cite_ref-Bagchi2008_31-0
People outside the family attended Aisha's wedding.
It was the norm at that time to get married after puberty. And she & her family were following the norms.
Mary was 12 according to Catholic Encyclopedia when she gave birth to Jesus and was married to Joseph who was 90.
Even 200 years ago, the age of consent was 10 in 39 different countries in the world!
Reference: chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24.html
Girls getting married after puberty has been the norm throughout human history. Only today's society has increased girls' age of marriage. No one before the 19th century brought these as issues.
@@TheOneLogic69 She said she reached puberty in Sahih, authentic narration. Shahih Al Bukhari.
@@TheOneLogic69 Narrated Aisha:
“I had seen my parents following Islam since *I attained the age of puberty.* Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari 476, Book 8, Hadith 124)
@@TheOneLogic69 are you Arab where did you get these translations show the source and the full translation of this Hadith if you are truthful
@@TheOneLogic69 u can keep barking,u stand exposed
@@TheOneLogic69 ur Arabic professor, David wood has uploaded a new video go watch it,rather than embarassing yourself here
This is actually a massive issue for Muslims and always will be an issue because it goes against objective morality regarding the treatment of children (especially girls). Child marriage is completely halal in Islam. Let's look at what classical tafsir says regarding Quran 65:4
*Ibn Al Kathir*
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. see 2:228 The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
As you can see, not only is child marriage allowed in Islam, but also the rape of premature girls, otherwise there wouldn't need to be a waiting period for such girls.
Even if this wasn't the case, your entire argument is a red herring. There is no such thing as a mature 6 year old girl (Aisha's age at marriage), nor is there any such thing as a mature 9 year old girl (Aisha's age when Muhammad raped her). This is a scientific fact. In fact we know that girls today mature quicker than girls from previous generations due to better nutrition and healthcare. However there is still no such thing as a mature 9 year old girl.
Thank you for such a clear conclusion. The whole argument from the gentleman in the video is so full of dogma that it hurts anyone's ears
Muslims hate that Tafsir.
My understanding was that Aisha was 19, not 9 when she married. The idea of being 9 was propagated after the death of the Prophet pbuhahf by her father Abu Bakr when her chastity prior to marriage to the Prophet pbuhahf came into question. To protect her reputation, her father said she was 9 years old when she married, the idea being that it was impossible for her not to be chaste at the time of marriage.
You invented a new IsIam for yourself. The miracle of being ashamed of Muhammad's actions.
And she was playing with dolls
@@electro639'the version that looks bad to me is the correct one' Maybe he has a point in saying that she was older that is backed by evidence?
It's really disgusting to hear a man talk about pedophilia with such ease and ridiculousness 🤮 and the one who even invited him to talk doesn't condemn this issue and asks the right questions to prove that this custom is simply shocking and that there are still people who believe it's a reasonable act!!! This is why there is a law nowadays today that protects children because of people like the prophet and his believers!
Was the marriage to aisha categorically wrong or consequentially wrong??
I dare u to answer??
@@radirandom really?!??? I wish you to be at the wedding of your 9 year old daughter marrying a 50 year old man! Then come back and tell me how you feel. OK?
@user-hv7rq5zn3x
Answer the frikin question now!!
I'm waiting!!
But aside from your nonsense chatting,
I wouldn't marry my daughter at such a age at this time or in the west especially due to the social factors espicially.
Where indeed social norms such as public opinion, and weirdness in this and age would cause depression and an uncomfortable life for the girl and especially the guy.
Today this is even the case in impoverished muslim countries such as Afghanistan, Iran, Middle East, and Bangladesh where such a norm has spread.
Unlike in the past where it wasn't consider like that socially.
Also these days girls go to school which they didn't back then, so that is a factor which might contribute negatively to young marriage ,in this day and age.
What intellectual counter response do you have to the points he raised?
No one cares about your uneducated vomit especially when the laws you talk about are written by men who have a pedophilia epidemic and their holidays consist of going abroad to abuse children.
stay away from muslims
May Allah ﷻ guide you to Islam. Ameen!
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vegenal tissue tearing that the vegene and anu s will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penes glans into her vegene, shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
Let’s hope he doesn’t join a cult started by a sexual abuser.
@@revertrevertz5438 Stay in your lane. Keep your fallacious arguments to yourself.
@@rafayshakeel4812 I’m in my lane, the lane of truth.
@@revertrevertz5438 "I'm in my lane, the lane of falsehood." There, fixed it for you.
Mashallah brother Tsortis your wisdom and zeal for the truth make an impression on me
Just because some Europeans married young children and kept slaves doesn't mean it was right... do you think God would have done the same ( kept slaves and gave order to his people to marry children) ... marrying a child whether society allowed or not is simply wrong and true God wouldn't give such an order...mans ways are not God's ways
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/ypXqqdPrYQQ/video.html scientific predictions
czcams.com/play/PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two.html scientific predictions 2
czcams.com/video/yYY1BGKrr1E/video.html structural miracle
czcams.com/video/c2ovILc_sKY/video.html historical prophecies (egypt)
czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
czcams.com/video/BzAjOED3Kdg/video.html historical prophecies (Babylon)
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol" That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion.
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 3rd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences(P.s:no other religion has this much evidence).
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids IF THAT, while us muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us. czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
czcams.com/video/SbB9mHX7UG0/video.html Arabs Are Becoming MORE Religious.
& ALLAH has a question for you (Atheist in specific) : "Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? - Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not CERTAIN "52:35-36
Obviously you can't come from nothing (unless you're very illogical\unsatisfactory but you claim to be very logical LMAO) & you can't create yourself (it's like saying a mother giving birth to herself lol).
& if you believe in science which assumes the future is gonna behave as the past then: "How can you disbelieve in Allah when you were lifeless and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you [back] to life, and then to Him you will be returned"2:28
DEAD->life->dead->"?" I'm gonna assume there'll be an afterlife where people will be accountable for what they did. after all these evidences .
That's it, now you're finished .I'll go study & memorise Quran while you try & figure a meaning for your life so you don't kill yourself "remember atheist have the highest suicide rate so take care of yourself".
(Remember Answer the main Question before you divert & start talking about a side point"AS all of you do lol")
WAITING...
Stop doing Presentism
Back then it was Okay
When a child reaches maturity, he is no longer a child but an adult
why don't you understand that?
no one talked about marring a child, islam forbid marrying to childerns, or having a sexual contact before age of puberty because it's considered an abuse
Mohammad engagement to Aisha was at 6 (sexual content is forbid because she was not an adult), then they completed the marriage when she had 9
Two adult men disgusting!
This gentleman made a very articulate and ALMOST convincing argument. However, social acceptance doesn't make it OK as was just exemplified with the instance of transgender children (this has been widely accepted but it doesn't make it right). If something is good and inspired by God it should be able to stand throughout the ages, not just applicable to a particular generation. Also to my understanding Muhammed was known to have sinned therefore was likely to have made an error in judgement which he would be accountable for. Why would he choose a "mature" child to marry when he already had wives and could have chosen someone older. Yet again it is a prime example of how men have subjected young girls to abuse and torture and justified it by calling it tradition. Who could have determined the harm caused at that time in a patriarchal society. If it was OK, why is it no longer considered acceptable? Where do we draw the line?
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
Urfa is socially accepted good. This is validly objective b/c it gets shaped by religion too.
Mashallah thank you hamza for making the life of muslims easier when they have to justify why they drink alcohol. If they're in a society or setting which accepts it, they're being responsible not to cause any harm to the environment surrounding them, and if their bodies are physically able to tolerate it. It's a non issue! I've certainly met casual drinkers who are successful, never cause any incident, and also healthy...so muslims, it's ok to drink alcohol! What a load of bollocks!
what a stupid example.
these principles are to be used when determining someone’s eligibility in marriage. Its not meant to be used generally.
@@islamudeeni318 decided by who?
@@islamudeeni318 you are a example of : its not eye that is blind its their heart that is sealed.
A few points:
First, just because their bodies are able to tolerate it on a superficial level doesn't mean it isn't actually hurting them. You don't see someone puking around when they light up and smoke a cigarette, but we know it does hurt them.
Second, when you're drinking alcohol you're also allowing for others to do the same. On a societal level, if some people start drinking it tends to cause a ripple effect. So in other words, you're also causing harm to other people.
Third, it's clearly stated in Islam that what is harmful in large quantities, is prohibited in smaller quantities as well. Even if you mistakenly drink too much for just one time, that would still have grave consequences. And these things do happen as life circumstances change. So for example, if we take someone who drinks small amounts as a habit (even though that still harms their body) then one day someone in their family or a loved one dies. It's obvious to anyone with any social intelligence this person could excessively drink and cause more harm to themselves, and also cause harm to their environment or other people.
Also, just to anticipate a potential objection, Islam does acknowledge that alcohol does contain benefits but the harm outweighs the benefits.
All of what I said is an unpacking of what Hamza said, you just strawmanned his argument.
massallah hamza brothers. islamophobs still deny becuz: its not eye that is blind its their heart that is sealed.
bruh
Hey Mujahid, I hope you are doing well sir. Just wanted to address your comment really quick. I deny Islam because even in this video Andreas was not true to what research actually shows with child marriage. Around that time, child marriages were occurring at the age of 12-14 years of age. Aisha was only six and with Muhammad consummating the marriage with her being 9 years of age. This does not whatsoever align with what we know historically. He stretched the numbers big time and it doesn't match with what we have. So it is not the eyes that are blind in this case, it is actively twisting historical information. This doctrine within Islam gives Muhammad the excuse to be a pedophile and is the physical embodiment of "Age is just a number." Whatever you do Mujahid, do not follow what Muhammad said and did, as he is not a great example whatsoever.
Benefits of marriage of rasulullah salallahualayuwasallam amd aisha radiallahuanha
Firstly we found out what the correct criteria for marriage is its not about being 18 16 12 all ages used in west rather it is about a women puberty physical mental maturity and readyness to get married regardless the age womenhood is based on puberty and physical mental development not age alone a 12 year old still may not hit puberty yet a 9 year old may have hit puberty and her mentality will be different to the girl who hasnt gone through puberty due to hormones and mental boost along with physical development
Before going to the next part response to even some muslim is that she was not 18 19 at marriage infact she couldnt have been anything older then 12 at marriage so those muslim trying to impress the west you need to fix yourself according to three authentic narrations her age was 6 to 9 at engagement 9 to 12 at marriage and 10 to 13 when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam she wouldnt have been anything younger or older those are the possiboe ages, in those days age dispite was common, fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam narrations show she was born 5 years before or 5 years after prophethood bith these are unlikely the more agreed possible date of her birth is born on the year of the prophethood or a year after prophethood had started her husband ali radiallahuanhu its said he was 6 9 or 10 when prophethood began so theres a 4 year gap in his age, uthman radiallahuanhu had a 3 year difference for his year of birth you will see for many sahaba their age is slightly disputed but we have a rough idea on how old they couldve been but no doubt she was nothing older then 12 at marriage and 9 minimum
Second benefit of her young marriage was she was of a similar or samsle age as fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam he moved fatima in the same house as aisha radiallahuanha where she quickly became friends with her and woupd remain close to her even after the prophet salallahualayuwasallam death, also she aisha radiallahuanha got the best of examples to follow there was prophet of allah the best of creation and there was the daughter of the prophet who was one of the four perfect women, she aisha radiallahuanha living with these two great people was a great learningg experiance for her in every way she saw how their relationship was their manners good behaviour and in fatima radiallahuanha she had a women to look upto for all this
Last benefit to mentioned she lived upto her 60s where she narrated the second most hadith of sahaba and spread knowledge
Benefit for Muhammad's child abuse.
Non issue??? What's the minimum age for marriage (consent) in ISLAM ?? Which verse says it ?...
There is no issue. The Quran doesn't set an age. Neither does the bible. Nor the Torah. HT in the video explained what the mechanisms are according to prophetic tradition.
@@Fozykeno well .. there are Muslim men marrying underage girls in Muslim countries according to Islam ..why is it?? Who's example are those Muslim men following???
@@Fozykeno Afghans marrying 9-year-old czcams.com/video/e3C8grEN2Fk/video.html
@@mayssabouharb6049 hahaha Muslims are trying very hard to justify Muhammad's marriage to 6 year child Aisha as an adult 🤣🤣🤣... Are you saying 6 year child should be considered as adult in ISLAM..
@@mayssabouharb6049 you running away... Why Muslim men marrying child as young as 6 year child in Islam. Who's example are these Muslim men following????
At 3:50 the point he’s basically making is “If was ok for Muhammad because people accepted it back then, but I personally wouldn’t do it today because people would look at me funny”.
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
czcams.com/video/xZIqd_-1Zus/video.html future predictions
czcams.com/video/VwslQu9L43w/video.html future predictions 2
czcams.com/video/ypXqqdPrYQQ/video.html scientific predictions
czcams.com/play/PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two.html scientific predictions 2
czcams.com/video/yYY1BGKrr1E/video.html structural miracle
czcams.com/video/c2ovILc_sKY/video.html historical prophecies (egypt)
czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
czcams.com/video/BzAjOED3Kdg/video.html historical prophecies (Babylon)
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol" That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion.
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 3rd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences(P.s:no other religion has this much evidence).
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids IF THAT, while us muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us. czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
czcams.com/video/SbB9mHX7UG0/video.html Arabs Are Becoming MORE Religious.
& ALLAH has a question for you (Atheist in specific) : "Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? - Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not CERTAIN "52:35-36
Obviously you can't come from nothing (unless you're very illogical\unsatisfactory but you claim to be very logical LMAO) & you can't create yourself (it's like saying a mother giving birth to herself lol).
& if you believe in science which assumes the future is gonna behave as the past then: "How can you disbelieve in Allah when you were lifeless and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you [back] to life, and then to Him you will be returned"2:28
DEAD->life->dead->"?" I'm gonna assume there'll be an afterlife where people will be accountable for what they did. after all these evidences .
That's it, now you're finished .I'll go study & memorise Quran while you try & figure a meaning for your life so you don't kill yourself "remember atheist have the highest suicide rate so take care of yourself".
(Remember Answer the main Question before you divert & start talking about a side point"AS all of you do lol")
WAITING...
He admits one of his fundamental beliefs is a lie. Muhammad isn't the perfect example of humanity for all time.
@@josm1481 He doesn't admit to anything that you're wishfully thinking about. Maybe you're brain dead and doesn't know how to understand a person's pov.
@@josm1481 You do realise the Prophet had many other wives that were both older and slightly younger than him. The prophet is looked at holistically. The marriage to aisha literally makes him a perfect example for all times because marriage at that age was common in many parts of the world and at many different periods of time. As for now where it’s not socially acceptable and where women do not mature physically and mentally as fast as they did in those specific localities in their times his marriage to the other wives can be seen as the example.
@@AlwaysSoldierOn yes, I realise that to defend the indefensible you have to reach, be dishonest and say stupid things:
1. He can't both be a 'perfect example for all time' and a pdf file. That's a clear contradiction. So you lie to defend it.
2. Literally all the evidence shows children are physically maturing faster than they did in the past. You have to want to believe this lie because you know it was wrong.
You know what Muhammad did was wrong, indefensible and vile, which is why you will repeat any lie to defend it. But the only person worse than a pdf file is someone who covers up and excuses a pdf file. You're a vile person repeating a lie to cover. You should not be allowed with children.
Sorry to say this , but Hamza doesn't know what he's talking about
It's not Western lenses solely that show that sex with a child is abhorrent. Human beings throughout time and the world have never thought that sex with children is acceptable. Well, you say, didn't Mahatma Gandhi get "married" when he was 11 years old. Yes, he did, but he didn't see his wife ever for another 5 years. When both reached the age of 16, then they started to live together.
Exactly. Look at England, for example. Even if you went back in time more than 1000 years, they still would've considered a man who married an 11 year old girl to be a criminal.
she wasnt a child you idiot haha. did you not listen to the answer or you dont have the brain cells to comprehend simple concepts? hahaha
U just gave one example of the opposite view.there were many before Gandhi and during his time that had sex with Children and considered it moral.also Gandhi lived in what is considered modern times but 500-600 years before there wasn't such things as marrying people just after 18.there must be examples of people marrying at 18 or 16 but that doesn't mean society at that time consider child marriage to be unacceptable.also during Gandhi time did the people of that time consider child marriage to be unacceptable?. just because he got married at 16 doesn't mean it was unacceptable to have sex with Children of 9 to 10 years old at that time.u haven't given one example and you never will.
@@Xenor999 Why are you insulting Gandhi here? Don’t you have any manners?
You’re not a hypocrite, are you?
@@Xenor999 yes correct though I should point out that these were not children but actual woman who had become mature. There is no age definition in Islam but rather it’s based on principles so the Prophet pbuh could not have married Aisha without fulfilling the principles
So he is saying that Aisha had no pain and that is why it was OK.
You clearly didn't watch the Video .
And I clearly should not waist my Time with You .
Of course Muhammad morality is no better than people of his time who did not abuse minors.
Where is psychological written in quran?
*Historically accurate Age of consent*
But if either party be under seven years of age, the marriage is absolutely void; but
marriages of princes made by the state in their behalf at any age are held good, though
many of these contracts have been broken through. Swinb. Mat. Contr. See Ward’s
Law of Nations. The age of consent within the 1 Jac. I. c. 11, s. 3, is fourteen in males
and twelve years in females. Russell and R. Cro. C. 48.-Chitty.
Sir William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769)
It was perfectly normal some 150 yrs ago
Prophet's own daughters were married very young at age 10 for like umm kalthoom and fatimah(as)to hazrat usman & ali
We have changed dramatically physically and biologicaly
It's absurd to say everyone was a pedophile back then, it was just normal
And no one objected to prophet's marriage to Ayesha ra even back then xuz it was normal....
And many many more examples r there for such marriages in English history, no one objected to
And most of All, children sexualy abused r ill, depressed, gave ulcers, vesicles etc in mouth, short lofe, recurring infection and no social skills
But Ayesha ra on other hand was a lady full of vigor, enthusiasm, loved prophet pbuh and was even a commander in chief in battle of camel and a long life .
I m a dentist, in a the book of peadriatic dentistry, we have learned that marriage below 16 is illegal but as i have already shown it was normal some 2 hundred years ago, not because it was bad but it was normal, my own grandma and aunt got married earlier
And lastly, in the same book of peadriatic dentistry WELLBURY , the child patient of physical abuse marks some characteristic features of abuse,, none of them were found in historical narratives of Ayesha ra as u have already shown
So we should stop calling everyone in past a pedophile because of standards set in modern history ...
I know most of you won't accept this
Idk
BUT the matter of fact is that her age itself is not agreed upon lije shite narrative says her to be 17 and historical narratives also give varrying ages
None the less, i m perfectly fine with this as was THOMAS AQANIUS, king john marriage to Isabella, margret beufort which is mother of tudors got pregnant at 12,king Edward II with Isabella of France, marry mother of jesus,, queen of france joan married to future Phillip IV at 11
And above all, in the famous play of Shakespeare juliet was only 13 yrs old.. was Shakespeare a pedophile
May Allah help us accept truth
And the final objection to the marriage of prophet is if he wss a role model of all generations why would he marry a girl in a age inappropriate for next generations
*Answer*
In islam age isn't what matters but it's rather the maturity of bride,,if she is old and mature enough to physically and mentally cope up marriage she can do marriage
And in her case she was, because she didn't show any sogns of abuse
Again,,,if u want to object than at least go through life of hazrat Ayesha instead of taking just one hadith of her age
Asalamualaykum and hi to everyone.What Hamzah Tzortzis said is totally wrong.
1.Islamic law is eternal and for all times not social acceptance.In the case of Aishahs marriage to the Prophet is correct not because of old times but it's a law for all to emulate
2.AGE of consent is accepted ie official marriage of consummation ie reaching puberty.In this case is 9 years with onset of menses.Thus body physically mentally emotionally ready to be wife and mother with no adverse effects health mental emotion.
The marriage is legally correct chaste and happy one where Aishah gave her consent and on baligh fulfill her wifely duty and became a renowed women Muslim leader and scholar at 18.
3.This marriage is example for all to follow and allowed for all times until Yom Qiyamah if any Muslim choose to nothing too young or too old as long as both reach puberty( according to scientific medical studies puberty varies as hormones affected by temperature like earlier 9 year old in hot countries Saudi Malaysia Indonesia Amazon C Africa and older 13 to 15 years in cold countries North of US Canada Europe or colder Middle East Jordan Syria Iraq and also Turkey with winters) as Islamic ruling both male and reaching puberty must fulfill all fard ibadah ie solat fat zakat Hajj and other responsibilities as Muslims as individual family community and nation..Similarly the marriage of Prophet RSAW to Khafijah RAA is good example of a young man to older lady.Can be equally legal chaste taqwa and happy marriage.
4..Hamzah is contradicting himself.Is he defending Islam about the issue of the Prophets young marriage to Aishah RAA or hes against when he does not accept his daughter if reaches puberty to be married when he says its absurd and shes not ready physically mentally to be a wife or mother.
What 3 points philosophy is he talking about ?!!!!
Finally he is giving wrong defence or rulings on young marriage or any of Islamic principles rulings on any other issues in Islam.Its best for supposed to be scholars of the west born or raised Muslims or converts like Hamzah Yusof US or Mohammad Hijab Ali Dahwah Sheikh Uthman or the Muslim skeptic guy or Umar Suleman to stop giving fatwas on controversial topics for Muslims.
Please read the Quran and hadith sahih properly and the rulings of 5 Fuquha jurists that we Muslims uphold to.Perhaps it's well meaning but certainly wrong and misleading leading to confusion among Muslims and giving grounds to kufr critics like Woods etc to destroy Islam and authenticity of Quran and hadith sahih. Alhamdullillah we Muslims are thinking people well versed in Quran and hadith sahih and Fuquha as well as scientific medical social economic evidence. We are not blind followers of these supposed to be Muslim icon scholars east or West Arab or non Arab.
Allahyahdikum wayahdina.
then how did a man who's illiterate write a book 1400 years ago that got all these right:
czcams.com/video/xZIqd_-1Zus/video.html future predictions
czcams.com/video/ypXqqdPrYQQ/video.html scientific predictions
czcams.com/video/yYY1BGKrr1E/video.html structural miracle
czcams.com/video/c2ovILc_sKY/video.html historical prophecies (egypt)
czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
czcams.com/video/BzAjOED3Kdg/video.html historical prophecies (Babylon)
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
& there're alot more. now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some science theory(all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) which can't be proven to be 100% true & won't disprove how truth islam is.It's just to make you feel good & it won't shake us muslims,because we believe liberalism is bad & science just keeps changing so after you die science might be compatable with Islam & by then you'll punished in your grave . So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one mistake if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vegenal tissue tearing that the vegene and anu s will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penes glans into her vegene, shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
It is an issue if people are copying the prophet and the Quran/Hadith have no specific age range except for.........wait for .........wait for it.........she hits puberty! ✅️ that's right ✅️ 👏 👌 if she's 9 and hits puberty.......she is now a woman! (According to ☪️ Islam ☪️ 🙄 🤔 🤣 😒 😅
9:00
I'm totally against abusing children.
Be it left or right.
No six year old is ready for marriage! You can try to justify it all you but it is flat out wrong…
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences.
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
she married at 9 not at six
@@TheOneLogic69 thanks for responding. please look at this hadith,
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
this hadith shows that he consummated the marriage when she was 9 and waited 3 years for her. I ask you what was he waiting for. Its obvious that he was waiting for signs of maturity.
@@abdirahmaansaid4013does it matter ? Hamzah just said the number was arbitrary 😢
I would suggest you read about Aisha and her character. She was more mature at 10 years old than 25 years old women of this modern era. She led an Army.
Not only that but there are many many historical figures who married young! This age thing became the norm because human body develops differently now. Up until late 1800s, there are records of marriages across the world to men and women (especially women) less than 15 years old
Muhamad was not divine that would make him God.. As for the hadiths people get confused between the word authentic and historical truth. A historical book can be authentic in a sense it exists and was written by someone but it does not mean its true. That is why we need historians to to examine it, its called an historical debate. Now if a book is rejected as being wrong, again it does not mean the book is not true in historical sense. Why? Because person A who wrote the book maintains it true while person B rejects it, it does not mean by being rejected by person B- the book is a lie. The book can be true and false in both cases as its all about interpretation. Muslims have go themselves tied in a knot because they fail to make that distinction, and have no historical training. The later is not encourage in Muslim countries and that is a great mistake. Why? Because they fear of undermining the scholars of Islam, they fear that western historical methodology will under mind Islam. The problem is western historical training has supported Muslim claims of the historical truth of the Quran; but have rejected the reliability of the hadiths. So in the West we people who have said that Mecca was not the real seat of Islamic power or origin but Petra was. But most Western and Islamic historians reject this as being weak but again it does not mean the Petra argument is a lie or false, it just means that people do not think the argument is strong. So what is the point i am making with regards to the Ayesha hadith? Just because some say its authentic because it was collected by Al Bukhari it does not mean its historically true.
Is the Quran true?
Yes and it says nothing about Ayesha age.
@@Mulberry2000 Does it allow or not allow stealing?
Does your country kill millions of babies?
@@Mulberry2000 i ask you, does it allow what i said?
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It's quite likely that Mohammad would have had sex with boys too. That's very common in Muslim countries. It's so common it's not even a crime. Adult men are often seen in public holding hands with young boys with no repercussions. Search for dancing boys of Afghanistan. And child marriage still goes on in Muslim countries. The point is that the customs are incompatible with modern Western liberal democracies. What matters is the law of the land.
He definitely would not because homosexuality is a sin . That just says that I don't understand anything about islam lmao.
one might add. there's only 1 source of her being a 9 years old during consummations which comes from her nephew saying he heard Aisha saying she was 9. all the verifications is about "him saying he heard her saying she was 9" there are no recorded context on where and when she said that what her age when she told him that. and how he heard her. cause she wasn't talking to him.
people misrepresent the facts here
Wrong. All the ahadith sahiha say that she was 9 and those ahadith had different chains of narration.
@@electro639 all of Sahih and Muslim verified chains to this narration which is "Her nephew heard her saying she was 9" with No recorded context. if you have the context please do share (By context I want to know what age Aisha was when she said this, and whom she was talking to, and why she said that)
@@ironwox Sure:
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَأُدْخِلَتْ عَلَيْهِ وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ، وَمَكَثَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعًا.
وَحَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سَبْعِ سِنِينَ وَزُفَّتْ إِلَيْهِ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ وَلُعَبُهَا مَعَهَا وَمَاتَ عَنْهَا وَهِيَ بِنْتُ ثَمَانَ عَشْرَةَ .
@@electro639 thank you for posting these hadith and I am aware of them. but sorry you didn't add anything new to a thing of what I already mentioned. all these verifications were about "him saying he heard her aunt saying she was 9" (وكلهم رووه من طريق هشام بن عروة عن أبيه عروة بن الزبير عن خالته عائشة رضي الله عنها.) . All that proved that he said, he heard his aunt Aisa said that she was 9 during consummation. but there was no record of any context. and I already explained what I meant by context.
@@ironwox Nowhere it reads, "him saying he heard her aunt saying she was 9." Read what it really says in original Arabic. Translate word for word to see where you magically find that phrase, lol. It's not in the ahadith sahiha.
saying
"your Prophet married a 6yo, thats why muslims at all times in any scenario should be able to marry any 6yo without analyzing the marriage criteria or ground realities"
is just like saying
"your Prophet married someone named Ayesha, thats why muslims at all times in any scenario should be able to marry any Ayesha without analyzing the marriage criteria or ground realities"
If you answer me i'll leave Islam"should be easy lol":
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays science theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might be change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences.
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
As we have explained at length before the ruling about Aishah marriage is allowed due to two points ie 1.Correct from Quranic and Prophets teaching.
2.From medical scientific social norms that's eternal at all times.Not merely past but present and future till end of times.
Ultimately the marriage contract is made at 6 years and consummation of marriage must be puberty as it suits and safe physically mentally emotionally.
Yes it's an example for all Muslims to emulate if they want as even in modern times there are situation that girls who do not have inclination to be Phds or CEOs can still be happy as good wife and mother which is equally crucial at all times even w technology and Science, Prof needs a good wife and mother to lead a normal happy life likewise an IT Silicon valley CEO needs food to eat.
Its also important to note early marriage for young woman is a protection for her as at present with all modern wars eg Ukraine or still in Syria and Yemen.Young woman needs to be married or even those not reaching puberty without parents or relatives can have good husband w no consummation until puberty.
Even in times of peace young women or teens who reached puberty or not are vulnerable to bad men and older boys either for human trafficking prostitution or for pedophilic guys. It's better for them to be married legally with responsibilities and one man eventhough he is old to be her grandfather as long as still good treatment and devotion.than to be used by countless men left for by herself alone destitute and sick with std diseases.
Allah is Most Fair and Just.
@@nurhanaibrahim162 Your lengthy diatribe is utterly disgusting because you, like this hypocrite Hamza, conveniently wash your hands off delivering your own child daughters to middle aged old farts like your pedophile prophet.
It's a shame that you don't even bother visualizing the moment of horror of little Aisha when the fifty four year old pervert stuck his filthy penis into the frail body of the nine year old..... all of you were blinded by the demonic idol of your admiration, and conjour up ways to defend his criminal acts....
Pathetic
Your fake Allah is neither just, nor is he fair because he was merely the sock-puppet of the pedophile prophet who used him to fool the gullible nomads of the 7th century to usurp their wealth women and power.
The same Aisha was smart enough to know this when she saw through her corrupt husbands schemes...
Narrated Aishah:
(V.33:51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa).”[1]
Your logic kinda backwards. No one gonna compare Muhammad to anybody if not for the claim of muslim that he is the best of mankind.
@@gunryu how is this logic backwards?
Yes, the age number itself is arbitrary. But in reality, there is a point where people are too young to give meaningful consent or be unharmed by it. I could imagine there being two or three cases in history where the marriage[with sex/consummation] 15 year old and a 50 year old was morally okay and not driven by perversion... two or three cases probably. There may be many cases where the people shouldn't be condemned if their perverted cultures approved it and they were acting in woeful harmful ignorance. I would hope that we can all agree that sexual acts with a 2 year old are never okay even if the age number is irrelevant, nobody has ever been mature enough to be ready as a two year old. In the same way, I can't imagine sex with a 9 year old ever being morally right in any culture, certainly not for a grown man or woman. Anyone who would have sex[molestation/rape would be a more accurate word] with a 9 year old is a pervert and either a wicked person or a very brain damaged person and if their culture approves then it is a very messed up culture.
I am disturbed that in the last few years, I have seen depraved attempts at trying to justify historical pedophilia, from non-muslims until now. Guys, I am not ashamed to admit that I could be turned on by a 17 year old if not for the inhibitions of my conscience, but I don't feel a need to rationalize that it is a good thing. Although being attracted to an undeveloped girl is as baffling to me as being sexually attracted to a dog. There are certain cases where we should just say to our own thoughts "What the hell!? That's messed up!" just recognize that our thoughts can be messed up instead of rationalizing it. If you find yourself frequently attracted to people who are too young for you, that just means that your mind is a bit messed up, maybe you are a pervert. I don't judge a person harshly if they are disturbed by some have some unwanted attraction to people who are too young, their brain may have formed some weird association with it or it may be an affect from being molested or so on. If a friend confided in me with distress that he was attracted to 15 year olds, I would not immediately morally condemn him if he recognized that it is a perverted thing and was unwilling to act on it and did not want to even think about it, but I would think and probably outright say in a non shaming way that is screwed up on a psychological level and question the friend if he knew what intrusive thoughts were. I have tolerance and pity towards a person distressed by perverted thoughts or attractions towards people who are to young, but I have no sympathy or tolerance toward a person who would act on it rather than seeking help or who would rationalize that it is an acceptable thing.
We are all messed up in some ways, and if we are willing to admit it rather than rationalizing, then we can begin to be rid of our evil. If we can't admit that we are messed up in some ways and that we are capable of evil, then we have no defense against further corruption.
If your worldview doesn't allow you to use common sense condemn child-molesting for the twisted thing that it is, maybe your worldview is lacking. In any case, if you can't reconcile this kind of common sense with your worldview and you are trying to hold onto your worldview, it is better to just choose to be logically inconsistent rather than to roll over and tolerate child abuse in the name of logical consistency.
" I would hope that we can all agree that sexual acts with a 2 year old are never okay even if the age number is irrelevant, nobody has ever been mature enough to be ready as a two year old." - still age is irrelevant if you stick to principles. e.g. somebody wants to consummate a marriage of a 2 years old, then the response is - wtf you even talking about, this is just a child.
All three factors opposes the idea.
A counter example would be, a 30 years old who is mentally too handicapped to understand the concept of a marriage, even though the person may be physically ready, but psychologically might not be and also often social setting won't allow it to happen either.
"In the same way, I can't imagine sex with a 9 year old ever being morally right in any culture, certainly not for a grown man or woman." - you still stuck with age.
Perversion is merely a projection of the society, what is perversion for you may not be perversion in a different culture at the same time.
Also, what is perversion for you today, was not perversion if you go back 50 years past.
Also, if a girl is going to be 18 the next day and if she is in a relation with a person, does the person become pervert today but a legal partner within 24 hrs?
If you say yes, then you have to defend the age arbitrariness in different secular society very hard.
It is always have been the principles that led authority in different countries to put an age number to make things easier, because not everybody has a centralized Shariah board ;)
I was very surprised to see the line of reasoning taken in the video and by muslims in the comments, I had assumed that moral relativism would be rejected by muslims.
Many stigmas are stigmas for good reason. Yes, different societies come to different conclusions. Many societies would have a near consensus that Islam is false. Does that automatically make Islam false? No. Many societies have supported chattle slavery, does that make it acceptable? No. Societies disagree on the truth, but that doesn't mean that none have the truth. If two societies disagree, that simply means that one or both societies are wrong. We have no reason to choose to be agnostic on a subject just because there is disagreement between cultures. Should we abandon all moral beliefs because Sodom would disagree with us? Sodom has a different perspective, so all moral principles must be arbitrary? In Sodom, it was socially acceptable to rape people to death. In every nation, some form of evil and generally multiple forms of evil are socially acceptable.
I already agree that there is no a universally applicable number where every person magically transitions on their birthday from being unable to consent to able to consent. That is obvious and accepted by any reasonably logical person who has thought for 2 minutes on the matter. There likely are cultures where there are 15 or vs year old women, but that does not mean that it is okay in cultures where people are spoiled and encouraged to be immature, I would feel uneasy about dating a 20 year old(I am 29), since many 20 olds are more like girls than women in america[there are many exceptions when we are talking about 20 year olds]. The three principles that he mentioned seem reasonable to me and I agree with them. I think most cultures agree with those principles and when legislators make laws, they are making a judgment based on generalization basically saying "People at this age are generally able to give real consent and are physically and psychologically ready."
I agree with the reasoning but when applied to the real world instead of hypothetical worlds, there is a certain age range where nobody is a woman who is physically and psychologically ready.
We would all laugh at a person who thought that nobody can consent to sex until they come of age at 40 years old, cultures disagree about where the line is generally drawn. It is a valid point that people mature at different rates in different cultures. Most cultures would even agree that 25 is old enough to consent. In America, legislators and most people do not imagine that something magical happens on a person's 18th birthday where they are suddenly able to give true consent and have sex without injury, we all know that it is a generalization, some people are ready a little younger, and many people are still not ready, but legislation tries to make a judgment based on generalizations. Is America correct in saying that the average age that a person comes of age[ready for sex] is 18 years old?[different states have different rules] Probably not. Different cultures and individuals have different opinions on what age >on average< that people tend to be physically and mentally ready for sex. Ultimately, culture does not influence objective moral truth and culture does not have the ultimate say in what is psychologically healthy. All sane cultures agree that it is silly to think that most people are not ready until they are 40 years old, and every sane culture agrees that it is unnatural and evil to do sexual thing to a 2 year old. I agree that there is a gray area within a certain age range, but up to a certain age, people are practically universally still children. We agree that all two year olds are children, are there any exceptions to this in the world? No exceptions, all two year olds are children in the real world. What about 3 year olds? There are no 3 year old adults. There are no 4 year old adults. There are no 5 year old adults. The only grey area is when people start to reach puberty, but I think people are still almost universally children when puberty hits.
In "third-world" countries or ancient cultures where children are encouraged to mature quickly and take on adult responsibilities sooner instead of trying to prolong childishness, there are 15 or 16 year old men and women[they are still generally foolish and inexperienced and hormonal and generally worse at making good decisions, but I would say that some are physically and mentally mature enough]. In wealthy cultures that prolong childhood like America, most 15 and 16 year olds are still children not ready for sex even though they may want it. The exceptions to the general rule do not nullify the general rule. I think most people are children and are not ready in their early teens, there may be EXTREMELY RARE exceptions, but the few exceptional people on earth who are ready for sex right after hitting puberty, IF there even are any such people, do not make it okay for to have sex with 12 year olds in general.
And perversion is not some arbitrary cultural thing. At least not what I mean by perversion. I call unnatural attractions perversion. For example, man who is aroused by horses is a pervert, even if he is in a tribe where that sort of thing is normal and celebrated, because God didn't make men to sexually desire horses, nor did God make horses to be sexually desired by men! Every culture that has not totally gone off the deep end would recognize that sexual attraction and sexual acts toward babies is unnatural perversion. You expressed agreement that sex acts toward two year olds is wrong, so I am just clarifying my point rather than suggesting that you believe such a thing.
I argue that children are not designed to be sexually attractive to men or women and adults are not designed to naturally find children sexually attractive. An unperverted person is only attracted to a sexually developed person. Spiritually and psychologically healthy people also have natural inhibitions against taking advantage of people sexually. There are plenty of 20 year old women in the world who are totally ready for marriage and sex, but I would still worry about dating a 20 year old spoiled american, I find immaturity to be a huge turn off even if they have pretty much fully adult bodies. There is something wrong with a man who has more attraction to half-developed girls instead of fully-developed women, regardless of whether it is permissible in rare cases.
If I were to convert to Islam, I would need to rationalize that Aisha was either older than we have been told, or that she was divinely gifted with an extremely abnormal level of physical and mental maturity for her age. I have extreme doubts that anyone on earth is an adult and both physically and mentally ready to consent at 9 years old. That would take a miracle! Even 12 years old would be hard enough to believe but who on earth has a woman's body and mind at 9 years old? A man who is attracted to a typical 9-year-old is a pervert to the same degree as a man who is attracted to animals. Because undeveloped girls or boys are not designed to be sexually desirable to anyone. And of course, the willingness to sexually abuse someone is even more against God's design than finding their bodies attractive. It would be theoretically possible with a miracle, but that would require some serious suspension of disbelief to suppose that God is matchmaking a grown man with a 9 year old and miraculously giving her enough maturity to make it right.
You do realize that 100 years ago in England if a girl reached 12 she was considered too old for marriage. Referenced in literature. This is because life expectancy was 30. Women had more chances of survival if they were young giving birth. Think about if they didn't have kids early they would have died before the a child reached maturity. It was about survival of the human race.
@@Thinking786786 There is a difference between kids marrying kids and adults marrying kids, I would not call a 12 year old boy marrying a 12 year old girl a pedophile or a pervert, but I doubt that either is prepared for marriage in that case and it is far from ideal and pretty tragic.
In regards to the "survival of the human race", I am doubtful that sex with kids was necessary. It is certainly beneath anyone who is half a man and certainly beneath a true prophet and a man who knew God's will would transcend his culture. Better to for humanity to die than for us to resort to sex with non-women[9 year olds].
I find the muslims who say that Aisha was in her late teens at the consummation of the marriage[and argue that your prophet only had sex with adult] to be more sane and honorable. I find the attempts at defending pedophilia to be unbecoming of men and you insult your prophet by saying that Aisha was so young while he was a grown man. The only way to defend him would be to insist that she was a grown fully developed woman, not a little nine year old girl.
I think you know deep down that your defense of that perversion fails, it is just moral relativism. Have you considered that you prophet may have only had sex with women and that there is some sort of mistake in thinking that she was 9? That would be a more respectable position, at least I could respect a muslim who believes that, more than a muslim who violates his own conscience and integrity by defending sex with kids. But I only say these things because I think some of you surely know better. I would not waste my time if I had contempt for you or thought that you were idiots, but I don't think those of you defending sex with nine year olds are in your right minds, I sincerely hope that there is some kind of double standard where you only tolerate it in your prophet's case.
@@danielbowden5301 Can we stay on topic. 100 years ago in England. No that was not the case with a 12 year old marrying a 12 year old. Women died earlier because of child birth and infection. Men lived longer because they didn't give birth hence they were older. So you always had older men marrying young women. I think you need to research history a little more. It was because of antibiotics that life expectancy increased. In certain regions of world 9 years old girls look like fully grown women, I believe its because their mothers had them when they were young. I believe it is a survival mechanism in our bodies that trigger earlier maturity. Now that we are living longer children mature later because women are having children later because there is no need to reproduce earlier.
In any case I don't believe Aishah was 9 years old as there is evidence which points to her being a lot older and even if it was the case she wouldn't be like 9 year olds nowadays. Jonathan AC brown covers this topic.
I don’t think Aisha was 9 she was older than that and some narrations no one kept birth certificate, we don’t know how old she was. However even if this Hadith narration is true then morally wasn’t wrong at the time because of short life expectancy
SHORT LIFE EXPECTANCY:
Allah knows all the future. If this is true, Allah knew that Aisha and Muhammad would live for more than 60 years. Therefore, Allah didn't need to rush the sexual part Muhammad-Aisha; especially if Allah knew that she wouldn't ever get pregnant.
But if Allah was fabricated by Muhammad; then it all makes sense.
Why are you so interested in religious debates if you do not believe in God or any religious doctrine? You can have philosophical discussions without ever bringing up religion. I believe that you must have some real interest in religion that goes beyond mere debate or curiosity. I think at some point, Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard will convert you. Embrace it, James, and start a new Christian sect based on their teachings. This is not a criticism. I honestly think you are searching for some form of spirituality, and that is not a bad thing.🙏👍
Hi Jonesy, I've actually spent the last hour writing an article on this very question, inspired by your comment.
Here's the link: medium.com/@jamesbergman_95798/why-i-study-religion-as-an-atheist-d5bd45a43900
Hopefully, I've addressed this question. Cheers Jonesy.
When a couple of billion people hold a belief, it affects everyone. Whether what they believe is real or not, they are real people. It's just another part of understanding the world we live in. While I can only speak for myself, and I did not read the article mentioned here, I think that understanding the people we share our society with is a motivation for most people.
@@aqe7914 This comment draws attention to one thing Hamza didn't do. He didn't make up a story to put words in the mouth of the person he was talking to. He actually listened to what the other person said.
@@tenzek4635 i was trying to share turkish muslim perspective as is, you somehow have mistaken me for an interviewer that somehow cut you off and put words to your mouth. I think having mistrust of religion makes people think as if they are being preached, while I am genuinely interested in exchange of cultures. Anyways ..
@@aqe7914 No, I watched you answer the question in the comment here on behalf of the video maker, giving your "perspective" on what he thinks while ignoring his comment that tells you what he thinks.
It's fine that you deleted it, but not if you're intending to hide what you said and act like I am unreasonable.
Sickening!!
Sickening is how you/they accuse Lut is accused being seduced by his daughters. Not to mention Noah, and etc of their sicknesses.
@@CONCIOUS19 what does Lut have to do with choMO 54 and aisha 6? Explain
@@iamthechosenone10 She wasn't 6, and it was averbal marriage I'm not surprised by your accusations thp. Got your preists are grh factories. Weak arguments I'd all you got left, aidhad age is joghky dispiref for she didn't know, if you didn't know as well. it is a tradition you sick faggs
@@iamthechosenone10 by that definition we all are children of chomos lol my grandpa married when he was 16 my grandma was 14 the older in generations u go the younger they got married ITS NOT AN ISSUE
@naked snake
A 16 y.o and 14 y.o is the same as a 54 y.o. marrying a 6 y.o ??? Are you being serious or jus trolling.??
If there was another religion rather than Islam that had a man who was suppose to be the moral standard for man kind and he married a 6 year old and had sex at 9.. I am sure these same people would be going "AOZUBILLAH!! What a disgusting religion!! ALHAMDULILAH I AM MUSLIM" Also, if Mohammad married Ayesha and actually said after marriage that it was absolutely wrong from me and no men should do such heinous act OR that Ayesha is not a regular human but a super human therefore rest of the men should NEVER marry an underage girl.. Fact is that there are MANY MANY muslims who marry young girls in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other Islamic countries because they think its righteous to do so...
What are you trying to defend when historical evidence shows she was 19? Say 19 and move on.
According to the biography of Asma the older sister; Aysha was 10 years younger than Asma.
And at the time of Hijri; Asma born in 595 AD, was 27 years old . The prophet married Aysha 2 years after hijri which makes her 19 years old. (27-10+2=19)
Asma born - 595 AD
Aysha born - 605 AD
Hijrah - 622 AD
Marriage to the prophet - 624 AD
@@TheOneLogic69 Waliuddin Muhammad Abdullah Al-Khateeb al Amri Tabrizi the famous author of Mishkath, in his biography of narrators (Asma ur Rijal)
@@TheOneLogic69 so what if it contradicts Bukhari? The whole point is that it does and Bukhari needs to be updated . This is historical proof and Bukhari is also in many ways a historical document.
@@TheOneLogic69 you do realise that “sahih” doesn’t mean it’s free of error. Just some schools of though, or sects, are more flexible than others at rejecting hadiths.
Sorry Umar Mr X and Buridah u all are wrong.Nero is right.
As Muslims and ahli Sunnah we must accept the Quran as well Sahih Bukhari and Muslim and 5 Jurist from Hanafi to Ibn Taymiah.
One cannot accept the Quran without accepting the Sunnah Hadith of the Prophet RSAW ie Bukhari and Muslim.How do u guys pray fast pay zakat or go Hajj or take wudhu and other aspects of life only explained in the hadith Bukhari and Muslim as Aishahs age when married to Prophet...Aishah RAA said herself she was 6 for marriage contract then at 9 years for consummation of marriage brought to Prophet house was 18 years when the Prophet passed away.Sahih Bukhari.
The Quran says U must obey Allah and obey the Prophet...
This is so long ago that there's no way to know with absolute certainty what age she was. I always wondered, why are fundamentalist Muslims so insistent on claiming that she was 9 when they can easily just say "She was probably 19" and move on?
And then I realize, the reason they insist on it so much is because they want to bring child marriage back in the future. If you read what hardcore Islamists say among themselves they often discuss how marrying girls off as children helps stop them from straying from Islamic teachings or having a chance to end up with a 'bad' man who will lead her away from Islam, or start getting dangerous ideas about independence.
Muhammed told Aisha Allah had given her to him as a bride in a dream, long before he married her.
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If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vegenal tissue tearing that the vegene and anu s will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penes glans into her vegene, shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
as per history , ayisha family agreed a marriage for ayisha first with another man , son of muthayeem but later muthayeem family step back from agreement because of new religion was under threat then ayisha marriage fixed with prophet
If a woman is under age but not so small that if one has intercourse with her there is a fear of vaginal tissue tearing that the vagina and anus will virtually come together; then by the insertion of the penis glans into her vagina shower will become obligatory.
Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Page 50
Source?
How was their biological readiness?
And the main thing is, you are accepting it, that it has happened.
Then why Nupur is being criticised for telling the truth?
The problem is not in condemning her statement, it's the way it is being done.
Is doing violent protest and hitting the Police going to change that fact?
How innocent right?
Ignoring the fact that that creature tried to maliciously attack Prophet's character. Intimidate Muslims by calling the flat earthers and people believing in flying horse. A hindu should be the last person to comment on such considering their own bizzare beliefs.
"Telling the truth?" Yeah buddy more like spewing venom.
There's a difference between sincerely questioning the issue to know better and mocking without any careful prudence. I reckon you're not aware that she belongs to the current ruling facist party BJP which is notorious for perpetrating anti-islamic sentiment by all means and measures.
Cause 9yrs old of that tym is more matured and biologically ready than 15yrs of today . Mensuration age has changed in every decade over the past time . It’s biologically proven read the works of all doctors in biological fields and they hve done plenty of works in this case . As for the question of nupur , well it’s already been answered very well in above comments
then how did a"book" revealed more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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& there is alot more. now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
Even if there're parts of Islam that don't agree with your liberal morality you still have the question in the back of your mind":"how did it get all those right though"?ponder upon it
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
Whatever it is, it is implausible for Muslim whoever said something rush out to the street as ignorant and shouting this and that.
Don't forget Muslims, the Veri Taliban exploded two Buddha statues in Afghanistan and their precedators ruined all statues in Syria and Iraq.
then how did a man who's illiterate write a book 1400 years ago that got all these right:
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& there're alot more. now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some science theory(all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) which can't be proven to be 100% true & won't disprove how truth islam is.It's just to make you feel good & it won't shake us muslims,because we believe liberalism is bad & science just keeps changing so after you die science might be compatable with Islam & by then you'll punished in your grave . So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one mistake if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
Sorry it's all usual media prejudised garbage of Muslims w suicidal attacks worldwide abt Taliban etc.
No hard evidence or truth.Please any accusations must be provided w solid evidence.Cannot be hearsay or circumstantial evidence or media controlled mostly anti Islam multi billionaires Media Moghul worldwide...all distorted to give wrong media since decades until now.
We Muslims know the truth and will stand by truth of Allah SWT and His Prophet RSAW regardless...Allahafazalaina.
It's not irrelevant. It undermines your basic assertion that Muhammad is the perfect example of humanity. It undermines one of you core beliefs.
Exactly!
Not really, because The prophet Mohamed was special, not in a negative way but in a positive one, I mean the Prophet did somethings that Muslims can’t do like marrying more than 4 wives, so the prophet Mohamed is a prefect example for humanity when it comes to his general ethics and morals not when it comes to marrying more than 4 wives or marrying Aisha at a young age (if it was true)
@@abdooljackson1399 so, apart from marrying lots of women, r*ping a child, r*ping his and his wife's slaves and encouraging his companions to take married women as sex slaves, he's your perfect example? 🤣
In the time of Mohammad Slavery and slave trade pre existed. but the socalled "last messenger of god" didn't abolish slavery from the world, but in fact he himself owned several slaves (around 40+) slavery existed in muslim world until like 100 gears ago when western forces pressured and made them stop. but im here talking about the time when the prophet was alive, slavery was good for them, it as it benifited the spread of islam. sex slavery was very popular back then, and manly they would target african, and non muslims for slavery. (making it clear that islam was superior than other religions) male slaves were hard to sell, but castrated slaves were very high in demand (penis and testicles cut off) this would result in death of most of them but it didn't stop muslims from continuing the practice coz it was very high in demand. the problem is they could have stopped these inhuman practices as they claim to be very peaceful religion who believes in the one true god and wellfare of humanity.
bruh what the hell are you talking about, stop watching fox news
What? Please prove and provide sources for these 'slaves.' You do know saving the life of one slave is one of the biggest good deeds and in the context of saving their life, means that you actually got the reward from saving all of humanity. You cant prove any sources of these slaves and even if there were, it would be much later from the beginning of islam when ofcourse some not so good people could have joined islam and done heinous acts.
@@aliahmed2650 We captured some of the women as prisoners, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to release sperms outside of the women (coitus interruptus). We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) whether it was permissible. He said, "It is better for you to release sperms inside."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2542
What is your point?
@@takiyaazrin7562 lol. stop fabricating the hadith. the real hadith says(. Abu Sa`id said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Bani Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence.")
It’s not even the worst thing he did. He was a caravan robber, commited genocide on an entire tribe ffs. He married his own daughter, tortured a man for treasure and traded in s*x slavery. The man was a monster.
He even made a poor girl his wife the very same day that he and his men had tortured her husband and k*lled her father and uncle. He was horrific.
She was 9 years old! Catch a grip of yourself mate.
So basically, Mohammed didn’t know any better and people still think he’s credible.
No you don't know any better. didn't understand anything with your thick skull I don't blame you.
@@newchamp0185then elaborate dumb@ss
“There were Europeans who were rapist, so what Mohammed the rapist did is ok.” Makes soo much sense
The word rape in Islam connotes forced physically on both men and women young or old in times of peace or war .
Rape is punishable by death in Islam so is adulterers murderers incest armed robbery pedophilic LGBT.
It is inconceivable for anyone to disrespect others religious belief their Book and Prophet whatever differences of belief or no belief.
As Muslims respect other differences non Muslims should do so especially if one has honor respect and dignity.
Why the Prophet RSAW is accused of rape when it's all legal chaste marriage with parents guidance and in public.It makes no sense when he has the power and he can do as he pleases. YET this marriage is the only one with a virgin and young woman while the marriages are with widows and older women.
Please check your facts and give solid evidence and do not comment from sheer hatred or emotion and anger and ignorance.
You have your religion and we have ours.
We can live hand in hand wout compromising yr belief or mine.Diversity in race color and religion have to be embraced without hatred or mind boggling endless arguments and undignified comments.
We dont have to be the same and still live in peace and harmony.
May all be guided to truth.Allahyahdina...
Let's see if you have an answer MATTHEW " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
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czcams.com/video/6IYK_M3ACHI/video.html Quran refutes atheism in 10 word
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences(P.s:No religion has this much evidences) .
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
still waiting MATHEW. Don't run away
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/c2ovILc_sKY/video.html historical prophecies (egypt)
czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
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czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
czcams.com/video/6IYK_M3ACHI/video.html Quran refutes atheism in 10 word
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences(P.s:No religion has this much evidences) .
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
sense when marriage is considered a rape?
you don't even know what the difference between a marriage and rape, yet you talk
@@Abu_Musa_Al-Ashari Are you really saying a husband under no circumstances can rape his wife?? Please continue
How can he know there was biological readiness and no emotional harm done to Aisha? It seems like he’s looking at these principles, assuming Mohammad could not possibly break them, and then concluding that he didn’t break them so they must be true for Aisha. That doesn’t follow haha
She was 67 years old when she died, all story about marriage and their life came from her self , she is a teacher of Islam and guide all of the prophet companion seek her knowledge and guidance, 25% of collected sahih Hadith is from her so she is a bed rock of Islamic knowledge , all the story about the age of marriage etc is from her even though she may get her age wrong by 1 or 2 year cause there is no Calendar at that time and people know time only from Big event and season.
Read about her life, read her statements, and watch "nada complains to aisha" video on eyad qunaibi's channel, and you will know more about how what he said is true.
"How can he know there was biological readiness"
> She reached puberty before marriage. She herself said that when a girl reaches her age, she becomes a woman at her time.
"and no emotional harm done to Aisha?"
> She was happy before and after marriage.
"It seems like he’s looking at these principles, assuming Mohammad could not possibly break them, and then concluding that he didn’t break them so they must be true for Aisha. That doesn’t follow"
> All of prophets wives were widows and divorcees. Only Aisha was the virgin. And Prophet and Aisha's family waited 3 years after betrothal for Aisha to be ready.
And it was the norm in the past, even 200 years ago in many countries in the world.
@@AdrianMuslim Guys I think that's enough, I think he gets it now haha
@@AdrianMuslim
Her parents gave marriage to it, are you more caring than her father and mother? Secondly it was social norm at that time.
It's so easy for you to say she was psychologically and physically ready, that's messed up, she was nine year old for God sake
And he was a prophet
Can't Allah tell him, no not Aisha
Instead the tells him Aisha is the one
Please stop this
This is A-historic. She indeed was psychologically ready and physically ready. Even if we go with the opinion that she was 9
She literally said it herself
jesus supports child marriage. condemn jesus
Wow, so Hamza is accepting the agnostic/atheistic view of not basing your morals (in this case age of consent/marriage) on a book but rather on humanistic principles. No physical and emotional harm, biological readiness and social acceptance. Conveniently he derives his principles from common sense, when he knows that there is no defense in the book. What a step down.
then how did a"book" revealed more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/yYY1BGKrr1E/video.html structural miracle
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the bible
& there is alot more. now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
Even if there're parts of Islam that don't agree with your liberal morality you still have the question in the back of your mind":"how did it get all those right though"?ponder upon it
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
A daughter born from zina is not mentioned in Quran, ‘Prohibited to you for marriage are: your mothers and daughters’ because she is not considered a daughter according to our religion. There is no legal lineage; for zina does not prohibit a man from marrying the daughter of the mother (he committed zina with). Scholars allowed this type of marriage such as Maliki and Shafi’i.
Tafsir Al Qurtubi 25:54
Apparently, common sense only belongs to modern, atheitic worldview. kudos to you man.
What principles?
Lying to defend evil actions and means by evil people is never a good thing.
What are you on
@@ishmammohammadadnan1525 no matter what time in history, no matter what evil what man does, the time it was done in doesn't excuse the fact that when knowledge is gained from years, or centuries later of better mortality; it still stands an evil act, from evil means. Sorry if you don't understand and you have to attack me verbally implying me to be on drugs. My sympathy to you and your loved ones.
@@novelsandcrumbs3558 what do you mean by evil or better morality?
@@novelsandcrumbs3558 modernist liberal morality,where 🤡,men marrying men in churches is ok,humans identifying as animals is also ok....
@@novelsandcrumbs3558 What’s the video before for if you haven’t watched it?
Hamza is being an idiot here. The actual number is not a fact about Aisha's life. The age number is symbolic, of something larger. When Sunni Muslim apologists say, "So what if it was 9?", they are missing the point by taking this literally. The writers of this hadith did not want this number to be taken literally. But Muslims make this mistake. The viewers of this discussion should also know that Shia Muslims reject wholesale that Aisha was 9, she was likely a teenager (17, 18, or 19).
Let's see if you have an answer " asked many before you & they revert to insults" :
then how did an illiterate man who lived in a desert in the middle of nowhere more than 1400 years ago get all these right:
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czcams.com/video/VwslQu9L43w/video.html future predictions 2
czcams.com/video/ypXqqdPrYQQ/video.html scientific predictions
czcams.com/play/PLf0mH9BzXrbu2UhqoGKJrSlx1RFoQ_Two.html scientific predictions 2
czcams.com/video/yYY1BGKrr1E/video.html structural miracle
czcams.com/video/c2ovILc_sKY/video.html historical prophecies (egypt)
czcams.com/video/LPPLT_rWAn4/video.html historical prophecies (Qur'an and Magic)
czcams.com/video/BzAjOED3Kdg/video.html historical prophecies (Babylon)
czcams.com/video/FtnfR3QBkNw/video.html mathematical miracles
czcams.com/video/4s2UTAtSKd0/video.html prophet Mohammad PBUH in the BIBLE
czcams.com/video/6IYK_M3ACHI/video.html Quran refutes atheism in 10 word
& there're a lot MORE, & he never got one wrong . now ask yourself:How though?"would like to see your answer lol"
That's why ISLAM is the fastest growing religion
All your arguments against Islam will just point to how islam isn't compatible with liberalism\some of todays scientific theories (all muslims agree with that presupposition lol) liberalism can't be objectively proven to be 100% true, So it won't disprove islam .This argument is just to make you feel good & it won't do anything to us muslims,because we believe liberalism is BAD. & science just keeps changing so after you die science might change again & be compatible with\prove Islam"happened before check the 2nd link\vid min 6:15" & by then you'll be in your grave getting punished "To late" .
So you still have the question in the back of your mind:"how did he get them all right though & not one was wrong, if he wasn't from god"?ponder upon it
We don't just BeLiEvE, we have evidences(P.s:No religion has this much evidences) .
"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."Quran 17:81
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Good and evil are not equal, though you may be dazzled by the abundance of evil. So be mindful of Allah, O people of reason, so you may be successful.” Quran 5:100
Bruh that's why you guys are a dying breed. you out here having 1-3 kids while we muslims're having 5-8 & some who are married to 4 wives got 20-30 kids.we taking over soon lol. Hope every western thinks like you & wants feminism\quality it's lowkey better for us.
czcams.com/video/5vs3xPRKtGc/video.html example of a muslim family. now compare that to westren family lol.
It's not okay to marry a 9 yr old...He met her when she was 6 yrs old...You shouldn't defend this disgusting act...It may be okay in Islam but it isn't okay in mine...Filthy...