Excellent video I watched till the end as most people don't. You are correct about the numbers but I would add that you can save $$$ by building instead of pre built for example you can get tower coolers for $25. Pre built always rip off consumers because they always skimp on quality. Also I think the k chip is the way to go if you can oc to 5ghz if your a gamer also for resale value will be best option on used market. Non k chips lose tremendous value especially on FB because the lowballers will eat you alive!
Just purchased a 14700 non k variant with an Asus Rog Strix B760g DDR5 Wifi motherboard. No one I know overclocks anymore as CPU’s have come a long way so honestly, I didn’t see the point in paying extra for the K variant and equivalent motherboard for the overclocking ability when I have no plans to overclock now or into the future. Much prefer the 65 watt vs 125 watt TDP as well as I’m not into AIO cooling and always opt for air cooling.
Note for the 10700 (and other locked CPUs). With stock settings, it will boost to 4.6Ghz for a minute or more and use 135-150W. Then it will drop to 3.9Ghz or something, and its advertised 65W TDP. If you have a half decent motherboard (Strix B460-F for me), you can remove the power limits, and thus the CPU will always be at 4.6Ghz 150W (if it needs to obviously, in gaming its going to be at 4.6Ghz but only use a fraction of the power). Thus you will use the CPU to its fullest potential without it dropping to its stupid 65W TDP
I decided on a 10850k mainly due to the fact it was on sale and came bundled with a z490i strix board for 500. It was a good combo. In the case for 11th gen you get to have ram unlocked. I think if you went with 10th gen the k series is worth it. But those prices and availibilty is changing quickly
Great video 👍. One thing, however, almost every reviewer ignores: how much more electricity does a non-overclocked 11700k use vs the 11700. I think a long-term increase in my monthly electric bill would be as important as the initial cost of the cpu. Did you use any type of watt monitor when running your tests? BTW, right now Microcenter has lowered all i5 & i7 cpu prices so much (even better than Black Friday prices) that k vs non-k wrt to cost is really no issue at all. (I realize that your video was posted pre-Black Friday & pre-12th gen.)
@@TaxEvasionUS Very good point. I just watched a Level1Techs video: i9-12900k vs i7-12700k. He uses a meter to check total watts used on the i9. He says that he had numbers over 800 kwh and that the i7 would use ≈ 60-100 less. I'm interested in the diff between i7k & i7 non-k.
@@moontan. I think even with undervolting considered, AMD's 5th generation is a better value because not only will undervolting save you more energy and reduce heat, but you will actually gain higher clock speed and overall better performance if you were to overclock the chips. I think that the best chip for JSyntax would be the Ryzen 5 5600g or Ryzen 7 5700g since both chips have a powerful IGPU, and is still more powerful and a greater value than an intel chip, and the boards are also cheaper too. All Ryzen chips are unlocked and the motherboards are also cheaper too. I think JSyntax needs to get out of his comfort zone like I have and try an AMD Ryzen chip.
@@TaxEvasionUS Thanks for the help. I'll seriously consider your advice, but I've been building Intel cpu PCs since 1987 (an 80286 PC/AT clone) & probably psychologically unable to switch.
Tired of people telling others to get the iGPU when it's literally trash, It costs $50CAD more for the non F version here in Canada, and even if you do video editing it only gives like a 10% performance increase when rendering videos with Quick Sync, also I've seen gpu's like the GTX 680 come on sale on Ebay for $90CAD after tax and shipping, that will completely destroy the garbage iGPU.
@@JSyntax Nvidia's NVENC completely destroys the iGPU for encoding/decoding, really no reason to use the iGPU, I'd rather save the $50CAD, F series chips offer the best value for money.
I think iGPU is worth the money. Sometimes, my VGA breaks down and I still be able to use 2 monitors with the iGPU (my mainboard features 1 HDMI and 1 DP)
Nice video. Can you please tell me which one motherboard should I choose for i7 12700 non k, among Asus prime z690 p wifi d4 and MSI b660 tomahawk wifi d4? These two motherboard are same price in my country. I know Asus one is z series which is usually for k but if I take this I will get some additional feature that are lacking on b660 such as pcie 5 , thunderbolt, 2.5gb Ethernet lan etc. But my highest priority is VRM. I want my processor to get best system to get the most out of it. (My budget can't increase). Please reply fast which one should I take? I have only 24 hours to take my decision. Help please..
The Asus Z690 Prime is garbage. Many are shipping non-functional and will not power on. I have had good luck so far with the Asus H670 Prime board. It's fine for an i5 or i7 12-series chip non-K, but it's probably not anyone's "best" choice. I really like the Asus H670 TUF board. It's nearly as good as the Z690 TUF board, but it's about $70 cheaper, comes with WiFi, 4 NVME m.2 ports, and very good power delivery. It also looks good. It costs about as much as the Z690 Prime board, and doesn't appear to have severe quality control issues.
@@JSyntax Will the B-series motherboars (B660) allow the I-9K to reach normal turbo boost clock and max turbo power (241Waats) or do i need to invest in a higher end motherboard?
if you dont build it, the Dell xps non-Kvariant has a stock Intel cooler (as intel provide a crappy cooler only with the non-k) and a proper cooler for the K one (as intel does not provide any cooler with the k version), huge difference.
What if you get an Alienware with built in water cooler. Does the K matter?? I’m looking at their i9 F non Kf and want to buy but I worry I’ll skimp (note I’d have to “settle on an i5 most likely if I get a KF)
I picked up my Dell i7-11700 with 3060 for $1214 U.S for black friday special. I could have gotten 3060ti and 2TB for $1599 to me that was a bit much, I also wouldnt have gotten no interest for a year with the TI version model, I am too lazy to overclock it anyway if I could which I can't with the Dell anyway. Also the Alienware version with the same specs had that same crappy CPU cooler. My overclock could be taking the side case cover off until I get the Cooler replaced.
with the non-k skus, they have a lower tdp at 65w tdp than their k models at 125w, from i5 to i9. is it really that big of a heat production difference
you do understand that the 65W TDP is when the CPU stays on its base frequency like 2.9GHz. You can downclock your K version to the same frequency and will consume the same. So not really any differences here.
your vids are so good and you should have way more subs and I wanted to know if its worth it to put another fan for more airflow (for mining) on my g5 5000 (I would put it below the light beside the GPU) specs: i5 1040f (I changed the stock cooler to a better one) rx5700xt 512 SSD 16gb ram (1 stick)
so what u recommend i have i7 10700 non k and am not working in editing videos 4k and i just got it for gaming only with mother board b 560 and 3200 m.hz 16 GB ram so does it worth or not ?
Just so you know, when using a 500 series (b560) with a 10th gen intel the top M.2 slot is inactive (usually the hidden one). If the board has more than one M.2 the rest will work fine. I am also fairly sure you have to get a z series board to fully utilize the 3200Mhz ram, the B460/560 I have seen cap the ram speed at 2933. Mine caps there, and without a k skew processor I don't see why z series would be worth it. They just want to upcharge for every feature. Both of those things above are not really anything to worry about (as long as the M.2 options you planned still work) and will let you put an 11th gen chip if you want to one day. I would say if you don't own the parts maybe checking to see if 3200 can be fully used, might save a dollar or two going with 3000 given the cap. It's certainly not a big enough deal to start returning things, just know you might only see 2933.
I have he I7-11700 from Dell does that have the graphics card portion built in? My friend in work said it is good to have the cheap graphics card built in so you aren't using your main graphics card when doing normal tasks.
There are occasionally good reasons to choose a K variant.; the most notable to date is choosing an i5 12600K over an i5 12400/500/600. Obviously, the K variant of the i5 has four additional cores, which changes the game entirely. The price difference between, say an i5 12600 and an i5 12600KF can be less than $30. That's an inexpensive and significant upgrade, in my opinion.
I found you thanks to your watch reviews, stayed for other interesting videos as well :)
Love your content, keep up your work!
Ty!!
Excellent video I watched till the end as most people don't. You are correct about the numbers but I would add that you can save $$$ by building instead of pre built for example you can get tower coolers for $25. Pre built always rip off consumers because they always skimp on quality. Also I think the k chip is the way to go if you can oc to 5ghz if your a gamer also for resale value will be best option on used market. Non k chips lose tremendous value especially on FB because the lowballers will eat you alive!
I regret not buying k
Just purchased a 14700 non k variant with an Asus Rog Strix B760g DDR5 Wifi motherboard. No one I know overclocks anymore as CPU’s have come a long way so honestly, I didn’t see the point in paying extra for the K variant and equivalent motherboard for the overclocking ability when I have no plans to overclock now or into the future. Much prefer the 65 watt vs 125 watt TDP as well as I’m not into AIO cooling and always opt for air cooling.
Note for the 10700 (and other locked CPUs). With stock settings, it will boost to 4.6Ghz for a minute or more and use 135-150W. Then it will drop to 3.9Ghz or something, and its advertised 65W TDP. If you have a half decent motherboard (Strix B460-F for me), you can remove the power limits, and thus the CPU will always be at 4.6Ghz 150W (if it needs to obviously, in gaming its going to be at 4.6Ghz but only use a fraction of the power). Thus you will use the CPU to its fullest potential without it dropping to its stupid 65W TDP
you can not lower the voltage of a processor non k right? for best performance and temperatures
@@BikeIsLife4EverGG you can, I undervolted mine and it draws max 140w instead of 150w
Still a relevant guide in 2023. Especially now Raptor lake CPUs, e.g. an i5 13600k is now equivalent to a previous 12th Gen Alder Lake i9 12900k.
ty! I hope it's still relevant
I decided on a 10850k mainly due to the fact it was on sale and came bundled with a z490i strix board for 500. It was a good combo.
In the case for 11th gen you get to have ram unlocked. I think if you went with 10th gen the k series is worth it. But those prices and availibilty is changing quickly
Great video 👍. One thing, however, almost every reviewer ignores: how much more electricity does a non-overclocked 11700k use vs the 11700. I think a long-term increase in my monthly electric bill would be as important as the initial cost of the cpu. Did you use any type of watt monitor when running your tests? BTW, right now Microcenter has lowered all i5 & i7 cpu prices so much (even better than Black Friday prices) that k vs non-k wrt to cost is really no issue at all. (I realize that your video was posted pre-Black Friday & pre-12th gen.)
You can always undervolt the K variant
@@TaxEvasionUS Very good point. I just watched a Level1Techs video: i9-12900k vs i7-12700k. He uses a meter to check total watts used on the i9. He says that he had numbers over 800 kwh and that the i7 would use ≈ 60-100 less. I'm interested in the diff between i7k & i7 non-k.
@@moontan. I think even with undervolting considered, AMD's 5th generation is a better value because not only will undervolting save you more energy and reduce heat, but you will actually gain higher clock speed and overall better performance if you were to overclock the chips. I think that the best chip for JSyntax would be the Ryzen 5 5600g or Ryzen 7 5700g since both chips have a powerful IGPU, and is still more powerful and a greater value than an intel chip, and the boards are also cheaper too. All Ryzen chips are unlocked and the motherboards are also cheaper too. I think JSyntax needs to get out of his comfort zone like I have and try an AMD Ryzen chip.
@@TaxEvasionUS Thanks for the help. I'll seriously consider your advice, but I've been building Intel cpu PCs since 1987 (an 80286 PC/AT clone) & probably psychologically unable to switch.
@@moontan. It was hard for me to switch at first too, but I am really glad that I did.
I don't think you're right about lower end motherboards not allowing the normal turbo boost clocks.
Tired of people telling others to get the iGPU when it's literally trash, It costs $50CAD more for the non F version here in Canada, and even if you do video editing it only gives like a 10% performance increase when rendering videos with Quick Sync, also I've seen gpu's like the GTX 680 come on sale on Ebay for $90CAD after tax and shipping, that will completely destroy the garbage iGPU.
For me, as a video editor, it's worth every penny! I noticed a big difference
@@JSyntax Nvidia's NVENC completely destroys the iGPU for encoding/decoding, really no reason to use the iGPU, I'd rather save the $50CAD, F series chips offer the best value for money.
I think iGPU is worth the money. Sometimes, my VGA breaks down and I still be able to use 2 monitors with the iGPU (my mainboard features 1 HDMI and 1 DP)
In one video you said dell wouldnt take the xps back what was their reason?
Nice video.
Can you please tell me which one motherboard should I choose for i7 12700 non k,
among Asus prime z690 p wifi d4 and MSI b660 tomahawk wifi d4?
These two motherboard are same price in my country. I know Asus one is z series which is usually for k but if I take this I will get some additional feature that are lacking on b660 such as pcie 5 , thunderbolt, 2.5gb Ethernet lan etc.
But my highest priority is VRM. I want my processor to get best system to get the most out of it. (My budget can't increase).
Please reply fast which one should I take? I have only 24 hours to take my decision. Help please..
The Asus Z690 Prime is garbage. Many are shipping non-functional and will not power on. I have had good luck so far with the Asus H670 Prime board. It's fine for an i5 or i7 12-series chip non-K, but it's probably not anyone's "best" choice. I really like the Asus H670 TUF board. It's nearly as good as the Z690 TUF board, but it's about $70 cheaper, comes with WiFi, 4 NVME m.2 ports, and very good power delivery. It also looks good. It costs about as much as the Z690 Prime board, and doesn't appear to have severe quality control issues.
9:50 it's not 17.65% since you're comparing a whole system vs the other whole system, the 60 dollar difference between 1000 and 1060 became only 6%.
so im planning to buy used i7 10850K and i am planning to used B560 motherboard and forget about the Z series over clocking features?
Yes good idea honestly
I bought a NZXT h1 case that comes with an aio cooler. Is liquid cooling for the CPU compared to noctua cooler?
Yes, definitely
Sad no advice worth it’s weight
Is a decent cooler like the Noctua NH U12S enough for an I9-K without overclocking or do I need a better cooler?
It'll work fine but not if you plan on overclocking
@@JSyntax Will the B-series motherboars (B660) allow the I-9K to reach normal turbo boost clock and max turbo power (241Waats) or do i need to invest in a higher end motherboard?
those overclocked version just aren't what they're used to
indeed
if you dont build it, the Dell xps non-Kvariant has a stock Intel cooler (as intel provide a crappy cooler only with the non-k) and a proper cooler for the K one (as intel does not provide any cooler with the k version), huge difference.
yes indeed, thats why getting a K cpu for prebuilts is usually a decent deal!
What if you get an Alienware with built in water cooler. Does the K matter?? I’m looking at their i9 F non Kf and want to buy but I worry I’ll skimp (note I’d have to “settle on an i5 most likely if I get a KF)
I picked up my Dell i7-11700 with 3060 for $1214 U.S for black friday special. I could have gotten 3060ti and 2TB for $1599 to me that was a bit much, I also wouldnt have gotten no interest for a year with the TI version model, I am too lazy to overclock it anyway if I could which I can't with the Dell anyway. Also the Alienware version with the same specs had that same crappy CPU cooler.
My overclock could be taking the side case cover off until I get the Cooler replaced.
The scary part is if you sold it on FB the lowballers would offer you like 600 for your system!
with the non-k skus, they have a lower tdp at 65w tdp than their k models at 125w, from i5 to i9. is it really that big of a heat production difference
you do understand that the 65W TDP is when the CPU stays on its base frequency like 2.9GHz. You can downclock your K version to the same frequency and will consume the same. So not really any differences here.
@@sirab3ee198 I did not know that. That's a fair point and I'll keep that in mind
your vids are so good and you should have way more subs
and I wanted to know if its worth it to put another fan for more airflow (for mining) on my g5 5000 (I would put it below the light beside the GPU)
specs:
i5 1040f (I changed the stock cooler to a better one)
rx5700xt
512 SSD
16gb ram (1 stick)
Yes that is a good idea! Did u see my fan video for the Dell g5?
@@JSyntax yeah I did but I still wasn't sure
10700f and 12700 non k is now best cpu
so what u recommend i have i7 10700 non k and am not working in editing videos 4k and i just got it for gaming only with mother board b 560 and 3200 m.hz 16 GB ram so
does it worth or not ?
You are good with that!
Just so you know, when using a 500 series (b560) with a 10th gen intel the top M.2 slot is inactive (usually the hidden one). If the board has more than one M.2 the rest will work fine.
I am also fairly sure you have to get a z series board to fully utilize the 3200Mhz ram, the B460/560 I have seen cap the ram speed at 2933. Mine caps there, and without a k skew processor I don't see why z series would be worth it. They just want to upcharge for every feature.
Both of those things above are not really anything to worry about (as long as the M.2 options you planned still work) and will let you put an 11th gen chip if you want to one day. I would say if you don't own the parts maybe checking to see if 3200 can be fully used, might save a dollar or two going with 3000 given the cap. It's certainly not a big enough deal to start returning things, just know you might only see 2933.
@@al2644i have an asus b560 and use my xmp profile 3600
I have he I7-11700 from Dell does that have the graphics card portion built in? My friend in work said it is good to have the cheap graphics card built in so you aren't using your main graphics card when doing normal tasks.
Yeah it has built in intel gpu
K = 125W and non-K = 65W ...so NO, it's NOT worth it!
10900kf oc to 5.2ghz all cores. The performance is good enough that 12th gen isn't worth it.
Ya 12900k is only almost double as fast in multicore and 30 percent in single core
There are occasionally good reasons to choose a K variant.; the most notable to date is choosing an i5 12600K over an i5 12400/500/600. Obviously, the K variant of the i5 has four additional cores, which changes the game entirely. The price difference between, say an i5 12600 and an i5 12600KF can be less than $30. That's an inexpensive and significant upgrade, in my opinion.