Interview with Mark Rippetoe on CrossFit, exercise science, strength potentials, and more...
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- In this podcast, I interview Mark Rippetoe and we talk about the failings of CrossFit, what's wrong with much of today's exercise science, natural strength potentials, and more...
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I just can’t get enough of Rip. Wish he could train me but I am I. The UK. Have all his books. Proper old school and no nonsense advice.
Haha he's always great to chat with.
@@MikeMatthewsFitness no one can get a word in edgeways 😂 he’s still fab though.
Mark Rippetoe and Mike Matthews know their stuff! Great interview.
I have always liked CrossFit however I have never look at it from the point of "Mark's" point of view. It does make sense. Thank you mate. keep on coming :)
Reminded me of one of my coaches common quotes, "Practice doesn't make perfect. Practice makes permanent." If you do a lift wrong 10,000 times, you need to do it correctly 10,000 times to fix the muscle memory and do it right without thinking.
I did a crossfit workout one day and happened to do a blood test the following day. My biceps were very very sore. My doctor who happens to be my father told me my transaminase levels were way too high. He was really concerned. So I had to do another test a few days later and the high levels were gone with the pain. Crossfit = high transaminase levels = not good. My father advised me to do another sport. Powerlifting I chose.
Pretty mind blowing how much Mark knows about this stuff. I recently just bought and started reading some of his books and I have a lot of respect for the guy. I like his no bull shit mentality with all this. Thanks for the Interview Mike.
wish i read starting strength when i was 16 rather than Arnolds encyclopaedia. soo many years wasted on pump routines, and colds/ flus from overtraining. do cross fitters suffer from this?
***** Athletes have always suffered injuries.
***** And are you the supreme overseer who defines when something is worth it and when something is not? I doubt it.
Brother I am the luckiest piece of shit, found ss at 15 a year ago, even though I didn't do it right right at first I've still made crazy gains.
I read Arnolds encyclopedia and don't feel I wasted anything. What pump routines are you referring to?
Why is increasing your working weight 5lbs a week revolutionary? You can do that with any program. I'm a proponent of Starting Strength, but not to the point of bashing everyone else. CrossFit I have no use for however.
@@wathen004 it's not 5lbs a week, it's 5lbs per training day. The idea of the "novice phase" and the means to getting to being intermediate/advanced requiring steady progression with lots of eating and sleeping is simple as simpel gets, but very few programs tout this as the foundational truth upon which all strength is built. To get strong, you need to grow. To grow continually challenge yourself physiologically and you need to eat and sleep to adapt to the new stress. "The secret is, there is no secret."
so insightful
Great stuff from Mark, I found the host a little egotistical and eager to let us know he was still there, while not really having anything to add to the discussion.
The strength numbers Mark suggests are very achievable, "naturally", I achieved them, and those I have coached, have achieved them, from young BB'er guys, to normal guys in their 40's who started training quite late in life.
If you don't believe you can, then you never will.
Much easier to criticise Mark, than accept your own failures.
I think most people, of all ages, train too much with regards to volume and frequency, I don't agree with much of what Mark says on the subject, but do on many other things, and like his general attitude.
Keeping training brief with more recovery than most would be comfortable with, has allowed these numbers to be achievable to those who have wanted them.
All the best mate.
***** Those "things" that the 'sheep' like to follow rarely stand the test of time, as they don't work.
I watched your shoulder training video, and was totally with you until you mentioned your 'top up' work on Saturdays :-)
I've made my best progress training each body part every 14 days, and only training 2x per week.
As I said above, most would not be comfortable with it, even on a purely theoretical level, but most have not done what I've done, and those who have kept an open mind have been quite surprised with the results.
I'm not saying this is optimal for every one, I was benching 500lb and DL'ing near 700lb at the time, so was very close to my genetic potential, but most dismiss such things right off the bat without giving extended rest periods and low frequency a try.
Two of the best.
Great interview!
Great video!
Mike,
What does research tell you about compound lift exercises and lumbar fusion. I'm really trying to follow your program but I need a little insight to how far I can push. Any help would be appreciated.
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Goodness gracious, he sure has opinions, huh? I loved listening to them and hearing his perspective. He brings a lot of knowledge and many years of experience to the field! But gosh, he is SET in his ways! And man, the whole time I just kept picturing the guys he was talking about at 6' 250 lb. and even bigger! Biiiiiiig dudes, right there, big dudes!
Aunie Sauce I think if you go into any gym the guys that are strong are around those weights. Strength requires weight, if strength is your goal. When I changed to a bodybuilding approach instead of powerlifting I lost 35 pounds and about 30% on my main lifts. Stan efferding is a good example. His strength varies wildly depending on his bodyfat since he does both. I've seen him no lift a 600 pound deadlift and I've seen him grind out 725+ 6 months later
Excellent as ever Mike. LMAO - with utter due respect - at some of those ferocious figures coach Rippetoe threw out there but loved his straight-talking and sharp-shooting all the way through. I see some CrossFitters ain't happy in the comments below but having spent roughly the same amount of years in the gym and around athletes as you ***** everything said here correlates with my experience of some of the bad practice and BS out there.
If only I would have known!
For me crossfit should represent all of the best thing fitness can bring together: barbell training, kettlebells, calisthenics, cardio like rowing, cycling etc. Problem with crossfit today is that it atracts many people that dont know how to do a basic squat or a DL, pushups even. I spent years mastering all those moves and then i went crossfit. And i can tell you its working for me. I hated crossfit before but now i love it because it brings the best from all areas of fitness. Plus the WODs. Omg i love it. Everyday something new. Our bodies are designed to do different things every day and it gets boring for people to do just strength or just running etc. Crossfit managed to create a perfect solution for these. Varied programs, short amount of time spent, functional exercises. What more do people need. As i said at first. Learn to do proper form then go crossfit. Youll love it!
Lol'd hard at 44:54 "That's a big boy!"
Anyone can train hard. Everyone should train hard. In preparation for the Olympics, all the athletes train hard, I'd argue there isn't much difference in how hard a gold medal winner trains and how hard someone who finishes last in a final trains. Genetics aside (most people in Olympics have freak genetics anyway) what matters is how smart you train. The reason the Americans dominate the swimming, and the Brits dominate the track cycling and so on is that they have the winning training formula. It's not that they are working harder, it's that they know precisely how to push, when to push, how long to train, how much rest they need, how to negate fatigue, how to avoid injury and overtraining, what food they need, and so on. This all leads to progression and peaking at the right time.
Train smart. If you're a novice you need to follow Rip's Starting Strength, because it is without a doubt the fastest way to make gains, get strong and become an intermediate lifter.
There are hundreds of novice programs just as good as Rip's at getting you to the intermediate zone just as fast as rips program. That is the beauty of linear progression.
You can literally just pick a rep scheme, improve linearly and you will hit an intermediate level just as fast. As long as you are improving every day linearly, you will reach the same point in similar times.
anyone have a link to the bosu ball and 1RM study talked about at 53 minutes? thats hilarious
Benching 600lbs on a bosu ball,LMAO!
i loaded trailers for ups for 2 years and adapted to moving about 10k lbs an hour. was wondering what i should do to not lose my stamina/strength gained working there. i could lift about 150-200 lbs off the ground and worked for about 4-6 hours with a 10min break somewhere in the middle. most of the time i was sliding or lifting 20-45lbs and lifted about 1/3 of the weight above my head (loaded trailers to the top 9ft). i know how much i moved because the scanners tracked how much you load. my packages per hour on a normal day would be around 400-500. best record was like 550. but that's averaged in with the 10min break scanning nothing and going to the bathroom and such. so at times i would move like 600pph for like an hour at a time. the pace varied. either way i dint have much recovery time but it got used to it somehow. Im not sure exactly what that does to your muscles because i may have fucked up my shoulders a little and wrists because of how much twisting and pulling and wierd shit you had to do with your hands to make the walls sturdy and i also unloaded to tear them down.... so yeah wrists feel like they need rest for a few months and my upper back/shoulders feel tight and pop a lot. feels good for my brother to step on my back about once a month and it cracks crazy loud. feels great for a little bit. curls and pull ups don't feel good especially on my left wrist so i decided to stop that... any advice would be much appreciated ideas for workouts/schedule to compliment what i have already done.
Good stuff gents
Much appreciated!
Couple things, first off, I'm not gonna get all mean and say you suck at interviewing because that's just not productive. I think you did pretty good, however, it could use some editing. It's no worse than an unedited conversational interview heard on the radio really. So next time you may want to try and divide up the interview into question and answer segments. After you're done you can then go back into each segment individually and edit it for content or you interrupting him etc. Speaking of which, you might want to try and let the interviewee keep speaking, especially when they are rolling...its the polite thing to do, seeing as you asked them for the interview, you can at least let them finish talking when they have something to say.
Second, the bench, squat and DL numbers aren't ridiculous, and you don't need to be huge or on steroids. The main factor is consistency. I was up to 285 bench within 18months of starting (at 180lb body weight), but I was at the gym every day. Not that you need to be at the gym every day, 3 days a week is more than enough. It took me a long time to realize I was wasting time and getting inferior results. The 5x5 routines are really the way to go, and you gotta do squats and deadlifts if you want to grow. If I did it all over I could probably be at 300 bench in under a year, but I know a lot more now than I did then.
Can you adapt to adaptation?
No, but adaptation slows down. When it slows down to a certain point you have to start using periodization in your training programming.
my question is about your question: crossfit works? for what??? you want to be big? or you want fitness? If you want to be fit you need a definition of fitness, but the problem is that a definition could be an opinion, and everybody has one.
A lot of the "strength guys" have ridiculous bad numbers in a lot of other physical tasks. Yes, they can lift very heavy. But what about running, going up a mountain, swing, playing soccer, etc, etc. To me, being a bulky guy that is ridiculous slow is not an option, I want to surf, climb, run, jiu jitsu.. and for me crossfit is far better than just training strength.
I use Mark Starting Strength program, but is only a part of my training.
dont get my wrong, im not against weightlifting, i think that's obvious if you read my comment. I said that only training strength, lifting near you RM, doing 3x5 reps of heavy squats, its not the way to be good at a lot of physical activities. You need that PLUS a lot more.
The last 4 months I stopped crossfit because im far away of any CF box, im doing only the Starting strenght program, and i like it, and its good for me. But I lost a lot of capacity in other areas, yesterday i went for a run and I sucked... and it was just 8km. And I watch the guys that train in the gym,and they are very big and suck in a lot of things.
I mean, you cant be elite at everything, thats obvious, but if you suck, really badly, in most physical aptitudes, that's not good for me..
Jm Jones
For older guys there are also the issues of BMI, blood pressure, body fat. Just being big and strong doesn't equate to longevity. Everyone has to choose what they want. I can understand the guys like Rip who are going to be strong while they're on this earth. If it means a bit more risk in terms of longevity then they are willing to take that risk. I understand that mentality. You're not guaranteed to make it to 80 no matter what you do. Accidents etc.
Jm Jones First of all there is a huge difference between powerlifting and weightlifting. You keep saying "weightlifting" but I think you mean to say powerlifting. Weightlifting referrers to people that train in Olympic style lifts. Weightlifters have insanely explosive power *AND* strength and are not "ridiculously slow." Not to mention the fact that they can be quite agile.
Secondly, your lack of experience is really showing in your comments. You say that people who "weightlift" "suck, really badly, in most physical aptitudes." BULLSHIT! There are plenty of powerlifters like Johny Candito, for example, who could kick your ass in almost anything. You're trying to stereo type a whole group of people and that is beyond dumb.
And don't even get me started on strongman.
SnowBlind125
Actually, 'weightlifting' is a general term. It doesn't mean 'Olympic weightlifting'...'Olympic weightlifting' means 'Olympic weightlifting' Powerlifting is an actual sport; bench, squat, dead. It is also often used to describe a workout employing mostly the powerlifts and a few other compound barbell lifts,
Daniel Kelley Most often "weightlifting" is a term used to describe Olympic weightlifting. Because most people find "Olympic weightlifting" to be too long winded. Otherwise "weightlfting" literally describes anytime a person picks up a weight. In that case crossfit, powerlifting, strongman, bodybuilding, etc. all can be described as "weightlifting." Either way the vernacular used was incorrect.
I've known a few Olympic style weightlifters and they always use the term weightlifting for the reasons I've already mentioned.
I'm 5'8 and weigh 200lbs and am no-where near those numbers :(
Haha this crazy.. I just wanted to add, he did say 6'0 person training strictly for strength should weigh upwards of 250.. Yeah maybe if the guy was only focused on strength gains and not aesthetics along with proper dieting every step of the way from 3+ years, just a thought!
Great podcast as always and I like Mark and think he's obviously incredibly knowledgeable and etc etc etc ...
But some of those numbers seemed a little suspect (assuming drug free for all of this). At 5ft 9in with 15% bf, weighing 245 lbs gives an FFMI of 31.... that's pretty high. Even if he was talking about that person being a genetic outlier, the next numbers he gives for someone not being an outlier at 6ft 0in with 15% bf weighing at 250 lbs gives an FFMI of 29, which is still very high.
+lgtcount I never heard of FFMI before today, but I just used a few of the on-line calculators, and according to them I have an FFMI in the high 20s (27-29, depending on what body fat percentage I put in). I'm eighteen years old, 240lbs, just over 5' 11", and I have a body fat percentage of between fifteen and twenty percent. Do you think that I'm a genetic outlier?
+Matthew Burke The most likely explanation is that you have underestimated your body fat percentage.
Well it was a professional nutritionist who told me that I'm around fifteen percent, but there's no way I'm higher than twenty.
FFMI is only accurately reflected if an individual is at 10% bodyfat or less. Also, there's no way you can know your bodyfat % without getting a dexascan.
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so muscle soreness is not good? im doing your one year program and I still get sore on legs day and chest day, not overly sore to the point of causing me discomforting pain but the soreness is still there. I get the impression this is another debated topic in the bodybuilding industry.
U do chest day thats your problem do a full body 3x week u are still a novice lifter
Hey Mike, I think one of the photos you use in this video is actually Roger Estep:
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Mike Matthews, since you were able to speak with Mark Rippetoe, would you ask him the following questions. How does your program for strength affect a person's ability to perform endurance-based, functional life activities - e.g. hunting, hiking, farming, hand to hand combat? It seems that the previous examples (which are, of course, not exhaustive) are functional and could not be performed at an optimal level if a person is simply focused on strength. Since strength is your focus, do you suggest pursing it at the cost of performing adequately in the aforementioned areas? Or maybe you advocate pursing strength, while minimally pursing other endurance and cardio-based actives, as to not affect one's strength potential. Thoughts? (I haven't read Starting Strength and realize you may have addressed the above ideas in your text or other articles).
Been studying, referencing and advocating Rip's info for years, but I just don't understand how he still hangs onto the idea that CrossFit programming is random. He was in on basically the ground floor of CrossFit, and from the start the material CrossFit/Glassman has put out says no programming should ever be random. I'm thinking he's getting the hopper model of fitness confused with actually programming CrossFit workouts.
***** Well, I am, and most every one else who has dug into crossfit.com deep enough to look at the videos and read the articles he wrote, are very thankful for the material Rip contributed to the CrossFit Journal and the strength seminars he used to do for us. One of the best, for sure.
Probably more reason to believe him although that would be ad hominem.. Imagine if he was not on the ground floor of crossfit and said those things.. giving his naysayers the benefit of doubt.
+Chuckie Chuckster I love Mark Rippetoe. His material has a huge impact on my coaching philosophy, especially the back squat. He's wrong about CrossFit programming, though. CrossFit isn't random, and that's a provable fact. Every individual who programs CrossFit workouts has a template in mind that guides and insures variance, not randomness. Randomness requires no education and it can't be relied upon.
Here's Basic CrossFit programming methodology:
"Practice and train major lifts: Deadlift, clean,
squat, presses, C&J, and snatch. Similarly,
master the basics of gymnastics: pull-ups,
dips, rope climb, push-ups, sit-ups, presses to
handstand, pirouettes, flips, splits, and holds.
Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast.
Five or six days per week mix these elements
in as many combinations and patterns
as creativity will allow. Routine is the enemy.
Keep workouts short and intense."
Mark I have been listening to your talks for the majority of my day. Right around 31:00 you mention that you cannot improve one skill by getting better at another. Without causing an argument, I believe that directly violates your argument for strength training in general. In essence, your proposed methods DO cause a minor level of specificity. I believe this is the cornerstone of your argument, however, that getting stronger (with the major lifts) makes life easier. If skill transfer did not translate to strength, and vise-versa, this would not be the case. As such, being a better ping-pong player, may actually equate to being a better golfer, or tennis player...
year and a half to dead lift 500..? starting from where..
Darren Peterson Yeah man, also how big is this person? I doubt a 130 lb man is going to get that.
+Darren Peterson I'll probably get that soon. Current deadlift is 200kg at 100kg bw after about 8 months of training with Starting Strength. Switching to an intermediate program soon.
Well you must have started out fairly strong.. The avaerage joe who starts training from scatch would be looking at a 500 deadlift in 3 years give or take
Darren Peterson Nah bud, I was a weak as fuck coach potato.
Edmund Burke Whatever you say, bud
So according to this at 6' 3" I should weigh about 270-280 :O
Many commenters here insist that Crossfit is NOT random --- sure, that guy who started Crossfit did SAY at some point, that no program should be random, but he is random, no one knows where or from what point he gets his WOD---
I have yet to see where their OVERALL program is... Mark Rip puts his Texas Method program out there for all to see and follow, as well as the PROVEN mentality for it... where is the system or program where the Workout Of the Day comes from for Crossfit??? Based on what or how does he decide what is the WOD that is applicable for EVERYONE around the world?? I think that "muscle confusion" shit had been disproved by now for a long long time!!
The only thing a muscle knows to do or not do is CONTRACTION OR NOT CONTRACTION, and a super sore and exhausted muscle and respond less efficiently to those super high demands LESS affectively than a rested well percentage-programmed muscle that gives time for recovery over days with proper nutrition and sleep. without it, injury, and not just soreness, is inevitable.
Some commenter here Dimitri says, to the unbelievers,
"It is the density per height which determines success in strength athletics. Coan = 5'5, 236 at his heaviest. Karwoski, 5'9, 275. Yes, guys on drugs, but I have seen clean powerlifters achieve the same density per height by training extremely hard and slamming food like they were being paid for it."
Most here don't believe the numbers because they don't UNDERSTAND them.... nor have they (it seems) lifter PROGRESSIVELY heavier over time, five pounds added to the bar (ten at first as a novice) on every workout or later per week, will make you grow and adapt IF YOU EAT and REST properly (6-8 hrs sleep) to fix the damage the exercise does to your body. And the PROGRAM foresees that you cannot lift your max on every workout, so the specially after the Novice timeline, you do a max five rep set with five to ten pounds more a WEEK and the rest of the week is RECOVERY --- recovery isn't just the sleep time, or always a day or two of "rest", not at the level.
haha 500 pound deadlift is not that hard?? i hope one day i can get to that level
mark doesnt like to be interupted lol
The whole conversation about the vertical jump is so flawed. If someone can increase their DL up to 500 by training to do that, they can also increase their vertical jump by training for it. It's an adaptation game, Mark. I love how Mike just kept hedging during the 1RM numbers Mark kept throwing and literally laughed at the 5'9 245. And, you can't add 20lbs in 2 weeks!
Respectfully, the Vertec Jump Test, which measures a no-step vertical jump is what Mr. Rippetoe was specifically talking about and he never said people can't increase it. In fact he said people can increase it but not by much...and he's generally correct. People can indeed increase their vertical jump but the 'adaptation game' as you call it yields relatively small increases. Those rare individuals who achieve what would be considered high Vertec scores by NFL and NBA combine standards have favorable genetics...and work hard...but the genetic component is key. But you don't have to take Mr. Rippetoe's word for it. Read this. www.podiumsportsjournal.com/2014/12/04/leaping-in-basketball-football-the-truth-about-vertical-jump/
the more i see your own pictures during the slideshow the more i want to have your type of body as a goal.
Question Im on Chapter 10 in the book is there ANY way i can get it on audio free so i can listen to it while im at work so i can go thru it fast?!!?
I like rippetoe but I think he’s way off on body weight and body fat level correspondence. The weights he’s talking for ppl to be would either be on juice or be higher than 15% bf
Look at Rugby players or American football players. They're huge, strong, fast, powerful and functional. A 19 stone professional rugby player can probably out sprint you. They didn't get there with fucking crossfit style chaos programmes, but that's what crossfit claims to imbue. Another zeitgeist of our time, hopefully when enough people get injured this will fizzle out. Hopefully Zumba will be there too when the ship sinks.
totally agree. people talk about training as though strength training, power lifting, endurance training don't crossover but they do. I play basketball and training all those things help. I just don't see how any of the xfit things fit into that. If you're not getting stronger then to me its useless. from the perspective of just wanting to be healthy or workout fine xfit. there's millions of ways to workout.
is this interview on podcast addict?
lol at 5'9 245lbs..
6'0 250lbs at 15%
Mark please...
i think he went off on a tangent and was talking about guys on steroids i.e. coan.
Did a CrossFit class and the lady (it's always 40 yr old moms) asked me and my buddies "are you guys CrossFit where you're from too?"
Yep it's a cult.
Most Crossfit workouts only last 12 to 20 minuets, the time goes by faster than you think. Everyday is different, you don't workout the same muscles. I've done Crossfit 6 times a week for about 2 months and there's more than enough time to recover because you don't do the same movement everyday. People freak out the moment they feel their muscles sore, that's just the way it's always been in the fitness industry. Yes you'll injure yourself if you want to win every dam WOD, which is impossible, but that's not what the Crossfit community is about, it's about personal growth, not winning everyone. There's a difference between full blown competition and just working out to get better ahahaha these people talk like Crossfit is like the Crossfit games ahahaha
+Max Willson 12-20 minutes... 12-20 minutes? DYEWO Do you even work out? Smash that 1 hour. Join the 60 minute club.
+Keith Larsen You talk a lot of shit, your heart couldn't handle 20 minutes of straight workout.
+Max Willson True. And most people couldn't catch a fly with a pair of chopsticks. Question is, why would you want to? Don't get me wrong, reach a 500lbs deadlift and maybe you will be in a better place to make judgement on whether Xfit makes sense.
What a bunch of pointless cheesy crap.
You will get injured, because you will strive to get better each time, with the weights on the bar adding up, til you reach the point in which injury may occur at any given moment.
HHHWHY!
If a 1000 new people start to work out for the first time ever and that crossfit is their workout, Then yes you would see a increes in crossfit relateted indurise. But the same would happen in any other sport.
Rip is way off on his numbers lol. Athletic 10% nfl player at six foot is not going to weigh 250! More like 200 like mike said
I'm not sure about Rippetoe's understanding of the English language. Constant variation and random are not the same thing. It seems like strength athletes and bodybuilders have a problem with crossfit, because they don't seem to understand that the people who do crossfit have different goals. I will admit there are problems with crossfit, it is not perfect by any means and a lot of the problems come down to the way it is coached by some relatively inexperienced coaches, but if you compare that to most bodybuilders and powerlifters who don't even have coaches, that's even worse. There are good and experienced coaches in all three sports, all of which will produce good results for their athletes.
+Neofolis Snap city is a goal?
+Neofolis Rippetoe was a Crossfit coach at some point for a while. Still think he doesn't understand ?
+Chuckie Chuckster I know Mark Rippetoe is very well respected in the strength coaching field, but I still disagree with plenty of the stuff he says. I probably agree with a lot more than I disagree with, but even if he has coached crossfit, he still seems to view it very much from a strength training perspective. To be fair, there is probably a lot of randomness in the training of many crossfit athletes, but the same is true of many powerlifters and bodybuilders and they are all equally likely to make limited progress. Variation and randomness are not the same thing. I train in the gym, although I wouldn't consider myself particularly allied to any one camp out of the three I'm discussing. My training program has variation, not to the degree of crossfit, but there is variation, there is, however, not any randomness.
Sure he still sees it that way. I guess he cant help but see it as a strength coach, because thats what he is. He also says there are certain(most) people crossfit is fine for, as they only want a good workout today and thats fine. It's just not the best use of a serious athlete's time, which should be just training oriented for obvious reasons ie. not crossfit.
Ironically he suggests that even for non serious athletes, but hey, anything to stop using a walker at 91 right?
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+Chuckie Chuckster To be honest, I would agree that crossfit is only either useful for crossfit athletes or a general workout, but I would say that is also the case for powerlifting training only being good for powerlifters or a general workout. Any athlete using a gym to enhance their performance in some other sport like football, basketball, etc. should have their workouts tailored specifically for their needs for it to be truely effective.
i think crossfit got co opted by idiots who just want to look EXTREEME so they do all these crazy workouts that dont really do anything that builds them in the long run. fun fact you can workout like a maniac but without structure and good form your body wont change much.
anecdote time. i got invited to one of the gyms my friend works out and they are showing people how to do kipping pullups and im asking why the hell would you do these? apparently its just to get your number up. kipping pullups work everything BUT the muscles a pullup is supposed to do and the jerking motion is hell on ypur joints. what was crazy was i merely SUGGESTED slowing down and using good form and time under tension in that muscle group themselves and i was flooded with stregnth vs fitness and performance vs muscle building etc.
my point is that yea i CAN get out here and just blast through these moves....but its not really giving me stregnth or endurance gains in the long haul.
Rippetoe's notion that the quintessential strong, athletic-looking physique at 5'9 is 245lbs is crazy as hell. Or that Someone at 5'9 SHOULD be 200lbs is just as ridiculous. Even with an above average amount of muscle mass 200lbs at 5'9 is VERY bulky. It should not be an expectation...unless I am some kind of freak! I hit those numbers (300 bench, 400 squat, 500 deadlift) at 165 LEAN. Now 172 and like how I look. Strong and like how I look so why would I want to gain 30 pounds of fat just to hit some magic 200lbs? Rippetoe should encourage people to be strong AND healthy.
***** Good for you young man. I never called those body weights imaginary. Only expressed my comfort with being far below that weight. Keep training!
***** Firstly, great job with where you are in your training. That's awesome! HOWEVER, if you read BJ's comment, he said that he was hitting those performance benchmarks at a lean 165. Extra fat does not help your ability to lift. You're 14 and seem to be healthy, but I wouldnt call your build "lean." If you lost 20lbs of fat, that's 20lbs heavier that your squat could go up. BODY COMPOSITION MATTERS MORE THAN A NUMBER ON A SCALE. Sorry for the caps, I just wanted to underscore my point and BJ's as well (I think :))
Once again, nice lifts. Keep up the hard work!
BJ McIntyre right! Mark can like whatever he wants, but 245lbs as some desirable for everybody is ridiculous. just see all the different sports and imagine a guy of that size playing them! he could be good at very little tasks.
Or imagine a hunter-gatherer walking +20 km a day... that weight is a burden.
I appreciate his teachings and i use starting strength to build strength, but for "overall" fitness crossfit helped me more than anything.
BJ McIntyre >> Rippetoe's notion that the quintessential strong, athletic-looking physique at 5'9 is 245lbs is crazy as hell.
As he states, this is Mr. Rippetoe's notion of a serious athlete training for years in a strength specialty, such as a competitive powerlifter. It is not merely a 5' 9" male with a "quintessential strong, athletic-looking physique."
Good job on your training. Those are great numbers, even more so at 165!
BJ McIntyre Are you serious? Im 200lbs 5'9 and I don't look "bulky" at all. People should look to gain weight and be as big and strong as possible if they are men.
I think he confuses 15% bf with 25%
I'm just going to guess that Mark never took a course on logic. Asking doctors how many people come in with injuries and how they got them doesn't prove that activity has a higher rate of injury than other things. If a city has 50 powerlifters, and the doctor sees 2 of them per year with an injury, and the city has 500 crossfitters and the doctor sees 20 of them with injuries, the doctor will report he sees 10x the number of crossfit injuries than powerlifting. That doesn't mean crossfit is 10x more dangerous.
Butt hurt crossfitter?
Let's assume he is. He's still got a point.
There's nothing wrong with Crossfit, If that's what he enjoys, by all means he should do it. Just because there is a big chance of injury and by and large it doesn't help you gain strength doesn't mean it isn't a fun sport. Although I will admit Crossfitters do get very annoying to listen to about how amazing crossfit is and how fit they are because of it.
Greg Spicka Lol you obviously did not listen not understand your self lol
Mark's logic is solid because he is talking about testing for a "relative" increase in injuries. The idea is that Crossfit is new to the world, therefore we want to know how introducing Crossfit to the ecosystem affects healthcare. It isn't a good test for the danger of Crossfit relative to the Crossfit population, but it can test how the existence of Crossfit has affected the general population.
Interview, not conversation. You cut him off a few times. Live and learn I guess.
Sorry man, after I posted this, I already saw that you had acknowledged this a 101 times.
Good one though, hope to see some more of these.
Mark Rip: for a novice ANYTHING will work if you go from doing nothing to doing SOMETHING, we keep failing to understand this distinction about the novice effect,
So Crossfit will work for anyone who goes from doing nothing, to hard exercise, FOR A WHILE, or UNTIl you get hurt...
Not IF you get hurt, but WHEN you get hurt, because after the Novice effect you cannot CONTINUE at this pace with this progress indefinitely ---- no program can go on indefinitely but Barbell training can go on for much much longer.
Cross fitters who can squat 315 and deadlift 400 are looked at as superheroes; along with all the pull-ups while kicking like a drowning man and jerking like an epileptic.
Mike u no jb lol
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"..at a body weight of over 200 lbs! that is what we are talking about"
I love Mark and his ability to use logic in regards to strength training and building muscle but he seems to have some weird bias'. I mean it seems like he thinks any man under 200 lbs is just some whimp or something. Does he not acknowledge somotypes and the existence of different bone structures?? I would never be over 200 lbs I would have the most absurd amount of muscle for the size of my frame and I am not even particularly small. Look at someone like Omar or Candito they are strong as fuck and are way under 200. Being over 200 means nothing in regard to strength training except that you were born with a frame on the larger side.
I saw a guy in a gym once doing a squat whose leg snapped in half. Would that suggest one should never squat? No. Your continued flawed anecdotal analysis of the worst case of CrossFit is actually embarrassing. I love how Rip warns about chronic inflammation then suggests a 6'0" guy should be 250+ lbs. HAHAHA, That's a heart attack waiting to happen. And, I don't know many CrossFitters who are chronically sore. Every once in a while you get a stimulus that your body's not adapted to, but that happens less for long term CrossFit athletes than for other "exercisers". I love the warnings and conjecture about how CrossFit is going to injure you. Mike, come work out with me!
Haha this crossfit talk is so condescending. Obviously most crossfit gyms incorporate strict strength programs, and they don't include girly shit like lateral raises which I'm sure this guy does. Proper form in the olympic and power lifts has reached countless numbers of more people because of crossfit, and this is how you talk about it? I teach at a gym and we teach all the lifts, and for most beginners the olympic lifts are far too advanced, so we drill form on the power lifts and add in skill work occasionally for the Olympic lifts and never program them in a workout with load until they're ready. Of course most people understand that Olympic lifts take time for people unfamiliar with them but there are people who can perform them with solid mechanics and who's form doesn't breakdown when done for high reps, watch the crossfit games. I'm a 'rabid' defender not because I want to be but because I hear this kind of cluelessness come from someone who writes books on fitness.
Well I actually teach at a crossfit gym and there hasn't been one client we've had that has gotten injured, so both of us can use our own facts I guess. The point is is that crossfit can be taught safely to anyone. Yes it's more intense and includes more movement than most exercise programs but as long as it's done properly you aren't going to get injured. Like you yourself said, pushing yourself in any domain encourages the possibility of your form breaking down but that doesn't mean you should not do it it means you need to train yourself to maintain form when you are pushing yourself. Especially since you seem to have influence over others don't dismiss crossfit as if it's some misguided way to workout it has brought thousands of people into the lifestyle of fitness that boasts functional movement transferable to everyday life. Crossfit isn't just random exercise its goal is fitness which is strength power conditioning etc. and 'wods' are tests of your fitness. You need to do more research on crossfit before talking about it.
Lol typical angry crossfailure response. You teach at gym and it's crossfail at that which gives you no credit at all. Mike took your little butt hurt shit rant better by being more professional than you or any other crossfail "teacher" I've ever seen. Do you also spread your little teenage attitude with that "training" as well lol?
People who crossfit are accused of being defensive, like you are accusing me, but its only because others condescend to it without actually understanding it very well. It is just insanely frustrating when people like this guy, who make their living in the fitness industry, give their opinion on something that they've either never done and/or do not understand fully. Definitely lashed out a bit at him and I appreciate him responding but the fact remains that he doesn't know that much about functional fitness and yet still has unwavering objections to it.
Jay Rinaldi I get that it's frustrating, but Mike has been in this industry longer than I have and I have even learned about and been exposed to functional fitness so I'm sure he knows more than you are implying. And just because they don't choose the cross fit lifestyle doesn't mean they don't understand functional fitness (after reading Mike's material and observing his body comp I'd say he knows a lot about fitness and exercise. ) But out of curiosity what is it that they are "missing" or what shows they can't speak to it with knowledge of how it works? Also people have different goals and the reason cross fit has the stigma it does is because it doesn't take a P.H.D. in sports medicine to see how bad *most* crossfit training is as far as form, method, and in my opinion cult like mentality. If it's so great then why have to defend it, wouldn't the results just speak for themselves and people abandon all other fitness routines? Or, could it be that all those factors combined with different fitness goals make it an easy target to make fun of because that's how people are when it comes to different lifestyle choices. Also, you're basically watching an anti crossfit video and came to voice your frustration? That's like me going to the crossfit forums and saying "you guys just don't understand bodybuilding and I'm sick of being called a meathead because you all clearly have no idea..." Now see how looney that sounds and it's kind of what you are doing.
What they are missing is that crossfits goal is to be as fit as possible. Mark seems to think only focusing on a certain discipline will breed results, and that is true in terms of producing the best results possible in one discipline but when your goal is to be fit you need to find a balance among all fitness domains, strength conditioning power etc. that makes you able to adapt to any fitness test given; whose going to win something like this: run 3 miles, then deadlift 405 for 30 reps, definitely not a marathon runner and probably not a powerlifter but most likely a crossfitter. Also, most people who crossfit understand that following a regimented strength program is the way to get stronger, so that is apart of their croasfit program. And when you say crossfitters have bad form those are usually just beginners learning complex movements for the first time or overzealous people going too heavy without focusing on form. Watch some of the crossfit games this past year and you'll see most have close to impeccable form even within competition. And many others not on their level do as well
crossfit is horse shit. a gimmick. the garbage workouts on the main site will cripple you. one poor guy got crippled doing crossfit and now he in a wheel chair. if you do crossfit, be careful. If you play it safe, then you can't do crossfit. just not possible. the goal is to maim and cripple.
Talking too slowly get to the fking point for god sake
This interview is laughable. Totally lost respect for Rippetoe. Still wondering about Matthews after all the negativity and hate for cross fit...
1. Mike cant get a word in edgewise throughout the entire interview.
2. Rippetoe and Matthews have a great time bashing cross fit but neither of them have any experience with it. So myopic.
3. Rippetoe claims an avg 6 ft male should weight 250lb with an "athletic" 15% BF. That is ca. 213lb lean mass and FFMI of 29.2. HAHA…totally contradicts everything Mike claims in his books. And according to the literature, a complete imposibility unless using steroids…
More Bro Science! Even from the respected experts like Rippetoe. How disappointing.
Hey Man.
I respect Ripptoe. Read all his books. Follow his programing. Not disputing his experience.
However, that doesn't negate the fact that he is way off base in saying an AVERAGE 6 ft male should have an FFMI of 29. (lost respect there). Most people on roids can't achieve those levels. And I find it disturbing that he doesn't realize that. Makes me think he is BS-ing.
Heres the reference on why 29 is impossible unless heavily medicated…. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7496846/
Peace….
mark was associated with crossfit until 2009. just so u know
The FFMI thing of 25 was based on a survey in a commercial gym of like 50ish male lifters. Ask yourself this: is the average male lifter in a commercial gym doing anything other than fucking around and looking at their abs in a mirror? I GUARANTEE YOU if you diligently spend 5-10 years training with heavy compound movements with adequate nutrition, you will get a FFMI over 25 @15% bodyfat without any drugs.