The Best Self Defense Round EVER?!?
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- We had the opportunity to tour G9's state of the art facility and get the low down on how they manufacture, produce, and test this revolutionary ammo. As well as doing some tests of our own. Learn about the most consistent round on the market and why you should change your go-to self-defense round. Find it at our pro shop in the link below. gunfightersinc.com/
__________________________________________________________________________00:00 - What is the External Hollow Point?
01:07 - The Purpose of G9 Ammo
01:47 - Priming
03:10 -Loading
04:23 -Inspection
05:24 -Waterproofing
07:10 -Testing
08:25- Packaging
10:46- External Hollow Point
12:26- Hydraulic Fracturing Hunting Ammo
13:54 -Woodsman Predator Defense
14:38- Testing
15:22- Control Test
19:57- Drywall Test
23:23- Car Door Test
26:07- Car Windshield Test
28:16- Conclusions __________________________________________________________________________
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Just to give credit where it is due, the "external hollow point" was patented by Charles Kelsey of Devel fame in 1992 Patent US5116224A. The original development was sintered copper to prevent over penetration. They were in production for a few years.
THV bullets are a decade or two older. Like all of these designs they don't work and only look good if you misinterpret the gel block by examining the temporary stretch cavity instead of the permanent wound channel.
@@sdgvlkjnasdlfkjawlk^^^^^ Exactly!
That waterproof sealant is no joke! I saw on another youtube channel (1shotTV) that did a test to see how long different rounds can last being stored completely submerged. The 9mm G9 rounds that he used literally never went bad after like 3 or 4 weeks of being underwater.
Just from experience, I'm a reloader to start that doesn't do any waterproofing.
I had "misplaced " two magpul 9mm magazine's in a swamp section of the woods, long story short MONTHS later found the mags ,had to see how many were bad , only 2or three out of 30 had gotten soaked. Granite any ftf is bad but I didn't expect any to fire. Just saying from an actual experience.
A few weeks ain’t long enough to actually make a difference… so your statement is in accurate..
I’ve fired ancient military rifle rounds that had a tar based sealant around the bullet and lacquer around the primer. Some 303 British ammo I removed for a widow of a veteran wasn’t stored very well. Wet part of the basement, very old house. The head stamps were 1918.
After careful inspection under magnification I fired the first few via string on the trigger. Not one misfire! That was back around 2000. I first got the ammo back in 1985 and still have some because I own a Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III made in 1918 👍🏼
These new sealed rounds will be able to be used by your great grandkids kids.
I always wondered why my good ammo aka hollows have a blue ring on the strikers. I thought it was just indicator for quality, guess I was right, it's water proof quality lol!
@@user-jz5gj9zq5p that blue ring I’ve noticed is on all Federal centerfire ammo. Rifle and pistol.
Cool video! I've been using G9 for a while now, and I've been super happy with them. One thing that they didn't go into too much in this video that I think is a good point to make is that these mono metal external "hollow points" feed exceptionally reliably, even in finicky guns like 1911 with its frame ramp to barrel ramp feeding system that can stub many JHP projectiles. I've had excellent reliability in budget 1911s even before I polish the feed ramp, whereas many JHP rounds will fail to feed fairly frequently. So if you have a 1911 and are having problems with failure to feed, give G9 defense a try!
Guter Punkt! Gutes oder schlechtes penetrieren ist eine Sache aber ein Versagen beim repetieren? Das ist in einer kritischen Situation das letzte was du willst!😉
I'm surprised to see a Yokai Watch pic 😮
very good point. also id like to add the 80 grain stuff is extremely light recoil even in my small 365xl micro compact
Targeting accuracy in my opinion is eventually the most important parameter for ammos and I would like to see your G9 tested in a long shooting range broseez 🔫🎯
We are planning a video for that soon!
I see no reason why it wouldn't perform excellent on that. Other videos I've seen show they load very consistently with very low SD. Combine that with the uniformity of machined copper and the accuracy should be extremely good.
So, I have a couple of mags loaded with ammo that looks just like this stuff, but it was made by Lehigh. Been shooting it for years.
I hope these end up getting rid of the hollow points some day. As a prior USBP agent I can confirm most of our shootings were involving load vehicles trying to run us down to get away and the windshield always saved the drivers lives and put us in greater danger.
Unlikely. They are comparing essentially a parabellum round to a hollow point, at exactly what a hollow point is designed NOT TO DO, and then being like, see my parabellum round over pens unlike your hollow point.
Its a biased video for themselves, and it somehow, even tho I like watching cool things, made me dislike the company.
This is NOT a hollow point style round designed to prevent over penetration.
This is a low pressured ARMOR PENETRATION round designed to kill HUMANS. Let me make this CLEAR. This is a human extermination round for warfare neutered down a bit in allow strength and speed.
Hollow points are designed NOT to over penetrate AND to dump their energy instantly in flesh. They do that fine.... except a few gimicky ones.
They made a hybrid hollow point round, aka a bridge between hollow points and parabellum, and are comparing it directly to OTHER hybrid hollow point rounds that stuck closer to HOLLOW POINTS and less parabellum, while they went farther into parabellum tier.
They are comparing themselves unjustly to HOLLOW POINTS, but using HYBRID hollow points, then making fun/insulting the HYBRID hollow points not being able to penetrate CAR DOORS and WINDSHIELDS and then STILL be lethal to humans on the other side.... like cool, a standard 22 lr can't pen a tank and kill a person in it either from most.
This Round is more of a military round.
It would be vastly superior to be made of a denser material, fired twice as fast. This would pen military defensive vests and then inflict massive damage unlike our standard pen rounds do. THAT would be its best purpose. ANti-armor personnel round.
They already proved the round over pens anything between you and the target and then after penning is still lethal, but not immediatly so as it loses temporary wound cavity once it loses enough speed, but it loses speed via the objects in its way. It is NOT consistent in damage, and it is consistent only in what it will pen.
The issue is what it will pen, is everything a normal person doesn't want to pen. Their wood walls/drywall, their windows, and their doors/car house or fridge.
You use this round in your house, and it WILL pen your wood wall and tag your children/neighbors/loved ones through the barriers shown. Dead dogs everywhere.
So sure, if you want over penetration on missed shots(which hollow points are designed to prevent and have been shown to in their videos as they break apart and become unlethal through windows and car doors hints the point of this rounds creation for police), then be my guest buy the house/school wall penner 9000 today.
Given that pistols stop people by exsanguination, simply put, loss of blood. There isn’t enough energy like a rifle has to stop by shock. As a former LEO and lifelong hunter I’ve had a deep interest in the physics of projectiles.
IMHO a copper bullet has the ability to penetrate and a well placed shot on the vertical centreline can hit the spinal column. Instant Off switch.
@14goldmedals I was going to say I'm very surprised that US BP doesn't use some specialty pistol ammo or at least have some officers train with some kind of AP ammo or solid copper projos to be able to get through the steel and windows of cars. Here in Arizona, we see that all the time, BP agents are almost getting run over by cars or are from the suspects trying to flee. You can't always have a rifle on you. Maybe they should switch to a 10mm with underwoods extreme penetrators. I've had luck testing those through a myriad of things, and they function well after going through the barriers in gel
@@AlexSanchez-cg8pz there are some incredible AP 9mm rounds made in Europe for police & military only of course. Here they print that on the boxes to sell more lol.
@@14goldmedals yea that is true and the atf considers regular steel core ball ammo AP they need to get some of the Swiss m39/b ammo it has steel wrapped lead and it's thicker in the front for added penetetration that would work perfect for U.S BP or they can get full on AP ammo with a tungsten core
Underwood has had this bullet for years
It is similar, yes. Theirs has four "flutes" or cut-outs in the projectile, and a flat tip. Like a Phillips head screwdriver tip. That's what it always reminded me of. This is a little different. But I see what you mean
This one seems to take some aspects from arrowhead tips. It's pointed, and the flutes aren't straight. they're tailored to the spin of the projectile too. This is actually pretty cool to see. But will my guns run it it? Pointy, weird shaped ammo is always a gamble.
@@SativahBelievah1348heavily depends on the caliber and so many other factors that you haven’t given us even the slightest clues necessary to make even a shit in the dark 😂
Another reason underwood are the GOATs of specialty ammunition. For my striker fired self defense 9mm weapons, 147 grain +p+ jacketed hollows or their 68 grain Xtreme Defender. Both are situational but both perform so beautifully.
@@ghost_tattoos I've studied ballistics for 20 years. One thing I will say is that you can make and take all the jello shots you want, but that won't really give you a complete picture. I say that because 10% ballistics gel, calibrated properly, was developed as a means of creating a *homogenized* media that simulates the *average density* of tissue, and thus provide for consistent comparisons between bullet designs. It's not intended to be an accurate depiction of effects in actual tissue, as the densities and whatnot vary widely throughout the body, and from specimen to specimen. And that's not even getting into the differences in tissue elasticity and whatnot.
So, while you can get a reasonable idea of what the bullet will do *under perfect conditions*, until you have a significant body of data based on real world use, you can't really say that "X is better than Y".
It's also worth noting that no matter how well a bullet performs in gel, based on forensic data, the actual real-world effects and differences between calibers and bullet types between the various standard calibers is so close as to fall within the margin of error, so long as you're using quality ammo and have good shot placement.
Looks pretty similar to the Lehigh Defense bullet...
Actually, after watching the different footage of each round of the Lehigh Defense and the G9, I think that Lehigh Defense is a lot better. The difference is that the Lehigh Defense looks like a screwdriver while the G9 is like a screwdriver with a swirl.
22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results.
22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue.
23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.)
C'mon, guys....
22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results.
22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue.
23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.)
C'mon, guys....
Lehigh Defense copy.
@@JP-wc8ky exactly, the "swizzle" can't possible do anything at that size and weight.
Super glad you did the high speed stuff. Really really shows how much time and effort were put into something so small and consumable but as you said, made for the most important time in your life. Great video.
22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results.
22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue.
23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.)
C'mon, guys....
22:40 Full frontal ballistics porn.
Any company that produces “Leo/Mil only” product like G9 does doesn’t deserve business
100%
Agreed, and the Lehigh defenders work better, penetrate more and can be loaded to higher speeds
@@deucedeuce1572 I 100% agree, F em.
What are you talking about?? even people who don’t live in friendly states can order this ammunition. I was just on the website right now and you can order everything that they offer. You do not have to be a law enforcement officer, but if there’s something I don’t know, please share.
Uuuummm you can buy these external hollow points I did many times and they are much mite devastating to meat than hollow points
Awesome test! I can't believe the size of the temporary wound channel. I changed to G9 in everything I shoot over a year ago. I carry EHPs in my EDC, woodsman when I'm in the outdoors, and even took a nice 5x5 bull elk last fall with the LRH at 652 yards. For a small company they sure seem to have ammo dialed in!
22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results.
22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue.
23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.)
C'mon, guys....
Great crew,and vid !!
Using critical defense instead of critical duty is super sleazy for these tests. Critical duty does much better against barriers
We we're limited on time for these tests but hope to revisit and break down multiple ammos in the future
@@GunfightersINC You’re missing the entire point.. Nobody is upset at the fact that you didn’t have enough time to compare your G9 EHP to every last 9mm defensive load on the market. We’re upset at the fact that the one you did choose to compare it to is one that, according to the manufacturers own website, is not optimized for hard barrier performance, and therefore served as a TERRIBLE (and rather sleezy/dishonest) comparison against your solid copper “EHP”. Hornady has a round that is optimized for hard barriers and that emphasizes weight retention and penetration over expansion in soft tissue… It’s called Critical Duty. But you didn’t want to go up against Critical Duty because you wouldn’t have outperformed it to a degree that anyone would’ve found at all impressive, if at all period. And that’s just transparently sleezy & dishonest marketing, dudes. If your round REALLY is as great as you want everyone to think it is, put it up against rounds that are also designed to perform in similar ways.
Didn't see this until after I posted my comment and yeah you're right
We don't make this round...
@@evanacey1414 I have carried critical duty for many years. Specifically the 9mm 135gr +P. I don't think the G9 round would out perform that out of a 5" barrel.
How I see this round is a better FMJ not a better hollow point. However out of a shorter barrel which is most carry guns and is what critical defense is made for I think the G9 would perform better.
So in my opinion I would still run my Hornady Critical Duty 9mm 135gr +P out of 4.5"+ barrels but drop the Hornady critical defense 9mm 115gr for the G9. Because out of shorter carry guns it's hard to get the velocity required for a hollow point to perform correctly.
So in summary I think the G9 compared to Critical Defense is an accurate comparison. And out of most sub 3" barrels which is a majority of CC pistols it would definitely outperform critical duty.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is expensive.
yea you just saw one of the most expensive ammo commercials on youtube
It's really not
@@Mustardman420 $40 for 20 rounds of 9mm, so $2 a round. Hell no.
@@WarlordEnthusiast How much is your carry ammo? 30+ in most cases so its not that much more. It only hurts on range day.
Dying is more expensive
This is awesome to see the practical tests head to head, would love to see some follow up on a wider range of self-defense ammo tests. I think a lot of comments are largely missing the point of trying to compare the absolute best of the best specialized ammo in it's class when looking at unobstructed gel vs barriered gel vs armor vs etc...
Even if the EHP was second place to 5 different specialized bullets in the exact scenario that bullet is designed for, but performed consistently higher across all those scenarios then it's still a better round to carry for self-defense. You don't get to choose where your self-defense scenario takes place and you won't have time to carry 5 different rounds on you and call a time out to load up the best round for the scenario. Give me one that is consistently performing across a wide range of actual self-defense scenarios in the real world and I'll take it all day.
Seems like we're getting a little lost in the sauce on what the "best" really means here. But we do need the actual tests in order to speak with some authority here.
Thanks for the feedback! The goal here was primarily to compare the EHP against jacketed hollow points in general and educate people on the benefits to the new design.
I want shotgun rounds. Currently running 00Buck and 1.25oz slugs in a 1 to 1 configuration in my defensive shotguns.
A single round would be better than buckshot/slug loading.
@@jameskirk3A. Why, just run one or the other.
B. I’m not sure what the performance of copper or brass projectiles would be out of most shotguns compared to lead slugs. Or copper buckshot compared to lead.
Check out Stone Creek petel slugs.
2100fps is rifle wounding, eh?
I would just like to point out that underwood 357sig 65grain lehigh xtreme defender has a muzzle velocity of 2100fps.
I would love to see some objective tests between these and the xtreme defenders.
And the ARX
Bang on. Looks like a great company
Would love to see the G9 10mm ehp in all these same tests...thank you for the video..awesome
Idk i still use my underwood ammo extreme defender plus P 68 grain. The thing with the type of bullets is that they perform better with speed. You get more cavitation when it's going as fast as possible. Underwood loads all their ammo hot to begin with. That why i love the 68 grain plus p at 1800 fps. It's perfect. Everything i shoot literally explodes water bottles, melons, and ballistic gels, and the rifle rounds are insane too. Basically, the gel explodes from the inside, which looks insane on slow mo. I haven't used g9 yet. I love the way the 45 acp looks. My friend got some 9 and 45, and im interested in it, but i can get my underwoods for sometimes cheaper, and they already have a great track record only thing is g9 sells 50 round boxes in there blem rounds and underwood doesnt sell their blemish rounds. Idk i guess to each their own. i am going to try out the g9 plus p 45s for my glock 21, though they look to mean to pass up and test
Someone needs to do a video on g9 vs underwood with new gel and each round up against one another all the videos i see are old gel you can see and no slow mo or they just target shoot with them
GrindHard Extreme Defense ammo is insane. Look it up
The Extreme Defense and Penetrator rounds will run circles against the G9. Unfortunately, G9 couldn't use the patent design of the Lehigh ammos, so they created a slight swirl to it so they would not get sued. Unfortunately again for G9, that swirl in their design makes it less effective than Lehigh based on video footages that shows comparisons of both ammos.
@joer8386 why doesn't anyone just use a Phillips head screwdriver shape? That's essentially all the xp/xd bullets are
@@robinpage2730 Because that design has been patented by Lehigh Defense and Underwood is the only one that has permission to create rounds with that bullet.
@@robinpage2730 🤣🤣🤣
A solid copper hollow point in 9mm like Super Vel or Barnes would be a very good comparison to these. You'll be hard pressed to clog thise things, and they cut tissue going in, so the handgun round does what you described as how your rifle rounds work...without the fragmentation, that is.
I would like to see this style of bullet in 8.6 blackout with a 1 in 3 twist rate barrel. Just to see how it would do at subsonic and supersonic.
They literally DO exist. It's the leighlei defense projectile. G9 recently came out but is using that bullet. Underwood had them in 300 blackout and in 45-70, 9mm, 380 and so on
375 Raptor > 8.6 blkout
@@alexanderbolias900 We don't use any projectiles designed by other companies except for FMJ training ammo.
@@alexanderbolias900No, leighlei sells the “Phillips Head Screwdriver” solid brass projectiles.
G9 is a pretty different design, under the same genre of design philosophy, and is a copper alloy.
The science seems solid , I'll definitely have to give this ammo a try .
Bravo perfect. Thenks. Go ahead
The best ammo video i have ever seen. Very comprehensive!
I love Xtreme Defender ammo. It's by far the best I've ever seen and it's barrier blindness is almost impossible to believe. I would carry it as my only defense ammo, esp for .380, but it's just too expensive. (So I refuse to buy it). You can load your own for about $0.80/rd, but that's excessive and unfair already... but then to buy it already loaded it's like $1.00 more per round. That's ridiculous. They charge another $1/rd extra just to load it for you (on top of their already unfair prices). They charge $0.80 cents just for a $0.02 piece of copper that costs another $0.01 to manufacture.
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FYI a steel BB shot at 590 fps definitely breaks the skin!
Not sure why they said this? If it didn’t break the skin it wouldn’t be suitable for pest control.
These rounds aren't for pest control. BBs break human skin barely, but they bounce off.
It performs like no other? This design has been around by others for years.
Besides that thoigh I haven't seen anything to suggests it actually performs well im tissue. A big difference between gel and loving tissue is that gel is not only uniform but lacks the open cavities a real body has. Those cavities would prevent pressures from rising significantly.
@GunfightersINC I felt the need to call something out. Namely, that your ammo was shot into the gel block after another round had already penetrated and tore open a permanent wound channel. By shooting your ammo into the block second, your ammo gained an unfair advantage by being able to utilize the pre-torn cavity and have it added to your ammo's temporary wound channel givng a more dramatic effect on the slo-motion replay (19:22 , path of least resistance, the whole channel balloons MORE towards the underside of the active-bullet's path where pre-torn tissue/cavity is at.). With so much "tissue" already torn, your ammo only had to get near it and got the benefit of your ammo's channel looking larger, like a pre-blown-up balloon, extra surface area was inflated more easily. You can see this in the video where your ammo's temporary wound channel balloons larger than the first...because it passed so close to it getting some of that "pre-loosened tissue" to expand more easily than if it weren't pre-torn. And then you only did one shot of each. For people trying so hard to present their ammo as better you didn't attempt to distance yourself from a common conartist's trick that's plain to see. And my spidey senses tingle like crazy when big gun channels and invested manufacturers make claims that destructive testing expenses are too high to do more than they've shown (like auto mfgs, they can only "afford" to test a handful when they sell millions, with millions of lives on the line? Downright shameful). Gel blocks aren't THAT damn expensive, especially when you're trying to build trust with potential clients, and on so narrow a margin of "better than the other screwdriver tip bullet". The material test I have yet to watch, but this gel block 1-shot pre-torn test was a failure in my book. Give us data and footage! Untainted! Unless you're just trying to dupe the dummies, in which case you've got plenty of those. But do realize you would get far more customers if you were just honest and forthright about your physical data. Now those sales are tainted by idiot juice. Ick, right? Hope you try harder to patch up this oversight, unless it wasn't an oversight...and is just "bidness". smh. Praying for the best. Shalom.
muh secret swizzle....swizzleswizzle, like they say these days...
22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results.
22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue.
23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.)
C'mon, guys....
Great give assess for reloaders ,would be cool !!
Black hills ammunition has had the hunny badger for years.
Minimal contact with rifling while still having as stable as possible flight is the key with solid metal projectiles and keeping barrel life within reason compared to lead core rounds which are more bore friendly.
I think less lead in the environment is a very good thing. Dad of three here. It's good news for gun nuts like us as it will drive innovation and better products for us.
I get it but a barrel is a barrel. Ain't gonna break the bank to replace one. Some guys get 2,000 rounds and some will get 10,000 out of the same rifle/caliber. I think it depends on the metallurgy
@@weldmonger1560 either way i’m more and more sold on the solids for big game even more then pistol/defense use but ill be getting some solid copper 9mm as well either g9 or lehigh
Interesting, Sharing.
Awesome ideas! Kinda ironic contacting the medical field for inspiration to make it more deadly lol
Applying "whistlers" at the 3 points of fins would not only keep it going through initial hard targets, but also get better bloom and separation into soft targets.
Carry interceptor rounds in primary mag. Various others in the other 3 mags typically carry on a daily.
Interceptors extremely reduce going thru intended target and potentially hitting a friendly.
Safety Slug rounds are a good option as well. Although it would be a complete nightmare to remove all fragmentation if hot by one.
How do these really differ from Xtreme Defender rounds? They seem almost the same, only with slighly different geometry...
It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.
@@G9Defense Sorry, bro. While I like the G9 bullets, based on video footages comparing G9 and Underwood, nothing compares to the Underwood Extreme ammos.
How does it compare to the Lehigh's?
These can beat light armor. Lehigh's can't.
@@999DirtyHobos That's not true at all. Do a search on comparisons of both ammos and Underwood Extreme Penetrators that uses Lehigh bullets will defeat G9's all day long.
Scene 12:40 - Oh wow! They just re-invented a bullet that was made back in the 1920s and presenting it as some kind new revolutionary bullet after adding a few adjustments to it. Look up the Remington Bronze Point bullet.
Bronze point is a form of softpoint splatter technology. Different concept
As another commenter pointed out, there are basic similarities between the appearance of the projectiles. However, the design and materials used for the body of our bullet, along with the fluted tip, really set our design apart.
@@G9Defense
Nosler with its Ballistic Tip
Hornady with its SST, ELD, and A to Z - Max
Swift with its Scirocco 1 and 2
Sierra with its TMK and TMK
Barnes with its TSX
Speer with its Impack
Federal with its Tipped Fusion
RWS with its Speed Tip
Lapua with its Naturalis
Norma with its Tipstrike
and many others all claim the same.
The bottom line is they are all basically the children and grand children of the Bronze Point made "revolutionary" with re-tweaking of the core, jacket, and/or tip.
@@G9Defensethanks for your work creating innovative designs to protect the American people you guys are truly patriotic love from Israel ❤ the holy land
ARX is my favorite round. It performs great. I throw them at 2000fps 1000fps and they perform great. I think I will like these also. I always hoped for a dolid copper version of the ARX.
my new favorite edc
How does the terminal performance of G9's fluted tip small caliber rounds compare to Underwood's older Xtreme Penetrators and Xtreme Defenders (made by Lehigh)?
A light
What's the difference between these and underwood?
Not much
Basically a sales video lol! Certain shots weren’t shown, fmj would basically do the same thing going through material.
FMJs perform really well through barriers. They just lack the terminal performance and controlled penetration of better designs.
not available in any store near me
I had these loaded in my EDC for a long time, until I saw a video where it could go through one target and into another. That video is somewhere on YT.
External hollow point is a more devastating round! The kenetic energy transfer and cavitation is mind blowing!
Won’t believe this style works until I see it in meat, not gel.
Look up underwood extreme penetrators (same bullet) been around for years and there are some videos on CZcams of them into pork shoulders or pork butts and Turkey
Why wasn't the high-speed video of the round going through the car door shown?
You already know. The Hornady "failure" must have been more impressive than the G9 "success" lol
Cody accidentally deleted that part of the clip when we were cueing it up to review. With that type of high-speed camera, you have to trim the files way down to just what you want to view. No intention to misrepresent anything, just gun guys trying to be camera guys. (except for the Gunfighter's guys-- they are pros behind a camera)
Does anyone know what handgun they are using for the bullet testing?
Is it a CZ?
I have a few boxes of Underwood Xtreme Defense in 9 mm +P+ for my RUGER PC chassis carbine.
Drawing inspiration from aerospace and the medical field? Looks like they took a lot of inspiration from Lehigh defense extreme penetrator or extreme defense.
Should have used Hornady monolithic hollow tips to test them with not critical defense
Nice invention, reminds me of a counter sink, has a broadhead been designed yet , for arrows?
Pilgrim +P clears every brand in the market🤷🏽♂️
When you get shot with a bb going 590fps it will in fact go in
And where do we get this ammo?
LOVE seeing all of the INNOVATION that's happening right in my backyard! Fantastic video, guys!
@beenschmokin well, good for you! You must be one of those people who don't believe you can't make a better mousetrap. However , I'd like to point out a couple of inconsistencies. 1. There were multiple different projects they're working on besides the "types" of ammunition you so conveniently cherry-picked from a 30-minute video. 2. Lehigh was founded in 2010, which would make it difficult for them to produce the ONE particular bullet in 92. 3. The article isn't about Lehigh, which was purchased by Wilson Combat in 2021. FYI, I love their products. The more, the better IMO. 3. G9 never said they invented the flutted bullet, but they are using advanced technology to continue to improve bullet ballistics. So, there's that...
Should have compared the G9 ammo with Hornady Critical Duty ammo. Critical Defense ammo was not made to effectively penetrate barriers. but the Critical Duty was.
just looked at the g9 website, $36.99 per box of 20. with taxes and shipping added on to that. for that price i will stick with federal hst hollowpoints, or for my g3c, wwb 147 grain hp, which is the ultimate budget defensive ammo for those guns that like heavy bullets.
try a shootoff between the g9 and lehigh extreme defense. 3 flutes compared to 4 flutes. both fluted copper bullets, then it comes down to which is more accurate, and which wounds better.
So sort of like Lehigh Extreme Penetrator, screw driver design which is very effective. As to some comments I see about type of hollow point used. This bullet design is superior in gel both obstructed or direct to the gel. Sure you can go grab one designed for hard structure use, but this is good either intended purpose. Thats the point of the design.
So at 1500fps the rotation of that bullet in a 1/10 twist standard 9mm barrel is only 167fps faster than velocity giving you 1667 fps damage and if you crank it up to 2000 you'd get 2223fps damage but a faster twist might do more.
So does this differ much from lehigh defense xtreme defenders?
The flutes are shaped differently. It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.
Scientific approach is very cool.
Nothing against ammo companies but i prefer to load/reload my own bullets its calming
I got the xtreme penatrator rounds from underwood in 9mm when they were still controversial whether they really preformed as advertised and they were mostly only thought of as defense from large game as they would penatrate deeply without the path curving threw a body the hollow ridges had debate whether they realy gave any ballistic advantages over a fmj I fully believed they did tho still for regular self defense on a person regular hollow points where a bit more proven and where whY I chose to carry
I like these rounds. Will see where and when I can purchase and cost. Then try just a few at the range for 9 and 10mm for my carry’s and see how much more comfortable in the same guns with these rounds! Can’t wait!!!!
Do they make it in .357 magnum or .38 Special??
You guys need to manufacture these bullets for all calibers. Not just pistols, but rifles. You would have to change the cut based on the rifle and powerder charge being used, However, if cut right a 338 Lapua could do even more damage than it can already do. So if the sniper is off slightly the bullet can still do enough damage to kill the target.
I feel like this round is putting all its eggs in the "temporary wound cavity" basket vs a traditional HP with better permanent wound cavity ballistics...
I can do the same with an heated up FMJ, Through barrier(car door) then 15 inches in 10% gel
I’m really curious how this compares to the Lehigh Defense Extreme Defender, Extreme Penetrator and Controlled Chaos that came out a few years ago.
These bullets are machined? These could be done with a heading machine. We had one that was used to make bullets in WW2. These would be cheap and fast to make in the same way.
Waiting for the 8.6blk version 💪💪💪
Definitely looks cool. But I still have 1500ish of GD and HST. I still trust them greatly. 😂
These are an interesting development, but I’d like to see them tested again the underwood extreme penetrators and my personal favorite the black hills honey badgers. The honey badger is my go to. Tests involving the same tests that were preformed in this video, put also an accuracy test at the minimum of 25 yards but 50 would be ideal
The 460 rowland penetrator round is amazing 👏...its also 3 bucks a shot. 😂
G.K. USA. For now, I will depend on Citical DUTY. Also, why not compare with Homogenous copper ammo loaded by numerous other companies? Probably no better. However, competition may improve the bullet design.
Editors, what happened to the G9 Car Door high speed shot? You edited in the drywall and bare gel shots instead. What's the story?
The clip accidentally got deleted when we reviewed the footage.
@@G9Defense still impressive performance. I’ve been using Barnes TTSX’s for years up here in Alberta 🇨🇦. Is there any performance and/or high speed test videos of your hunting bullets for reloaders?
I feel like I’ve seen this before. Xtreme Defender possibly?
That's G9's weak wrist brother
@@999DirtyHobos do they load these for 357 Sig?
17:38 “it’s not the speed that matters, it’s the shape of the projectile”
Flies in the face of most conventional wisdom, but the results are very telling.
By this philosophy, quiet subsonics will be as lethal as faster bullets.
Check out the Interceptor bullets from Ballistic Machinist
So it’s the same as the Lehigh xtreme defense projectile?
The flutes are shaped differently. It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.
The only factor not analyzed is the separate densities of the organs affected by the wound channels, most not having a significant effect individually unless actually penetrated
As a maintenance tech with a BS in electrical engineering..... This would be my dream job. I'd almost pay them to work there..... If they'd just feed me and let me use a cot in the warehouse. LoL.
I carry these.....and I like to 🔫 various things to see what it does.....these are 100 percent legit.
Defense is for compact and duty is for full size pistols
Any chance there's going to be an 8.6BLK of this?
Seems great for leo/mil, but for ccw and home defense, I don't want it penetrating drywall and car doors.
Leheigh defense\underwood?
How different are these from Underwoods?
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Similar to leiheigh defense right?
Critical Defense 115 wasn’t designed for that, make it fair. Would love to see it with Critical Duty 135
Definitely an infomercial, but still informative.
Cool, but how many jobs did all re interve tion ??
Alternate smj and critical defense hollow points in mag...just a thought
I think you guys know the difference between Critical Defense and Critical Duty.
Any way you slice it, solid copper alloy bullets are the future of ammo. The one issue is the light weight of copper versus lead. If they can make it heavier or somehow make it perform the same as cheap lead it would be perfect.
Or increase the twist rate. Higher twist rate = extra resistance to acceleration, achieving the same effect as a heavier bullet. Copper can withstand higher rotations than lead so this is the cheaper option
@@robinpage2730 true but then you have issues of too much rotation and accuracy can suffer.
No free lunch in physics. However adding some tungsten seems the only practical way to get copper to watch lead core bullets. But then the price gets ridiculous.
But yes ideally a good balanced solid brass bullet would be ideal. Thing is you need larger diameter to keep bullet length down. Things become complicated fast.
Are these guys affiliated with the G2 RIP?
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with all the focus on quality testing in the video, why do they sell factory seconds for about 1/3 off the price?