If we are pipe dreaming, a range selector or 2 speed rear would be my ideal truck setup. I run empty as much as i do heavy. It sure would be nice to have different gearsets when i am towing, vs when i am just going to see grandma.
Your literally the only person I know who wants a two speed rears those things are junk plus you can’t get a locker with them and there expensive as hell to fix when the blow apart
I bought an 18 g56 because it was the last year for them. I also remember the good old days when stick shift trucks had more power. I would absolutely buy a new one if ram put a competitive manual in it
I'm with you 110%.. had and still have stick shift trucks. Will never buy a new truck but if Ram comes out with there new straight 6 and a stick, that could change my mind
2018 RAM 3500 SRW w/G56 I bought new. I wasn’t even in to diesel then, but now I’m hooked. Long story short, a little piece of land, gooseneck, a tractor and skid steer, & now this Yankee outta Jersey finally feels “country”.😊 It all started w/the 2018 G56! Love it!
I've got a 5.9 with the G56 and I'd love to have a double OD gear. My truck has a tall rear end which helps on the highway but it'd be sweet to have 4.10 rear for towing then double OD for cruising down the highway; make it the best of both worlds.
@@ryanfiorio270 I had a 1965 ford pick up with a 3 on the tree with a lever under the dash for over drive and that truck was a bad ass with a 352 it liked gas but I use to blow Dusters away !!!
@@ryanfiorio270 I have a 05 Dodge 3500 long bed dullay 4 door 6 speed manual with 3.37 gears and that was a perfect gear set at 2000 70moh and had the balls to tow, you just had to know when to down shift and not melt your truck down. 3.10 were great for towing but sucked on the hiway and your fuel tank !!!!
Apropos about the manual transmission issue: ZF has always offered synchronized manual truck transmissions ranging from your average direct drive light duty 5 speed and up to the heavy duty 16 gear overdrive (4 low + 4 high range change + 1/2 gear splitter on all 8 giving you 16 forward ratios), in Europe and everywhere else in the world with the exception of North America. The 1950s and ‘60s 12 gear transmissions used to have 6 forward gears main box with a 1/2 splitter box added to it. Later the 12 gear went to the range change main box plus the splitter box (3 low + 3 high + 1/2 splitter on all 6 giving 12 forward gears and 2 reverse ) The “7 speed” version you’re talking about is a medium duty 6 speed synchro manual transmission which has a deep reduction crawler gear and with it the reverse gear is much slower than on the regular 6 speed, thus making it allot smoother on the clutch and life allot easier for the driver when reversing with a loaded trailer. (hotshot work or some big 5th wheel RV) The American Eaton Fuller manual class 8 truck transmissions are non synchronized and were offered throughout the years anywhere from 9 speed to a maximum of 18 forward ratios and a maximum of 2250 ft lbs torque rating (the “double over” .73 in the 18th hole, the RTLO 22918-B) The 9 speed main box is the base for the 13 speed and the 18 speed transmissions by simply adding the 1/2 gear splitter box to it. The 18 (A model) speed is identical in almost everything to the 13 speed with the only difference being that the 13 speed won’t let you split the gears in the low range. The 18 speed B model starts at a deeper reduction gears in the low range and keeps the 200 RPM step constant between all 18 gears where the rest have a bigger RPM gap from the 5th to the 6th when changing the range and start at a bit of a faster ratio at the crawler. The newer “Super 10” is a bit of a different animal than the old Eaton Fuller 10 speed which was the base for the deep reduction 15 speed. ( the old 10 and the 15 are no longer in production ) These days there are only the “Super 10”, the 13 A and the 18 A and B class 8 truck transmissions offered by Eaton Fuller in either manual or automated manual configurations.
The reverse on the g56 is so terrible I added a 2wd lo selector on my 17 ram just so I could use low gears backing up with heavier loads. It’s so much more convenient except for having to wait for the transfer case to switch over to low.
Great Idea: give me a 6-7 spd manual with a split axle button on the handle. Drive it as a six spd empty trailer or no trailer running around. Drove a 70 series Chevy grain dump when I was ten.
I would trade my 2023 3500 to get a 7 speed manual with SO or HO ratings however if the manual transmission can handle even more HP and torque then Ram should do it.
YES THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN , because if we are being honest guys who drive rams at least the hd ones , already have a solid truck but some may argue about the transmission , especially cause these guys use the trucks for farming or hotshot driving , so there is nothing better than having a more reliable transmission and less maintenance, but also to shift and grab your own gears #RAM , I HOPE YALL DO THIS
I’ve got a 12 G56 & love it. Seen guys put in overdrive units in them to get that extra “7th” gear. Would love to see ram bring back the manuals. Down in mexico they’ve been continued using the G56 in the 19-24 model years but only behind the hemi. They’ve also used the tremec trans for years in the rams... the 4 speed TR-3340 in 2nd gens, then the 5 speed TR-4050 in 3rd gens. Will be interesting to see if they bring back the manuals and if so what they use.
You sound like you have some knowledge, so I’d like to pose a question to you. I have an ‘09 that’s on its third G56. I purchased the truck with what I believed to be a reman trans @ 97k and then I put a reman in @ 224K because the input shaft bearing started to howl and rattle. Well, it’s starting to make noise again @ 241K. I was using Royal Purple Synchromesh and I switched to Delvac 50 which is a heavier oil. The truck is running a mild tune for increased torque and lower EGT’s which was already on the truck when I purchased it @ 97K. I always use 1st gear and I don’t hotrod it. It’s used to tow my 14K boat & 17K 5er RV. Axle ratio is 3:42. Any thoughts?
7-8 with a lower reverse gear that’s the big complaint the reverse gear has to be lower my 92 Dodge cummins had locking hubs so you could put it in low range and back great .
I'm a Ram guy and have been since the Cummins I think they should come back out with the manual transmission and you're right about the fact that they needed to update it almost 15 years before they stop producing it personally I think all three companies are lame for stopping in the first place
I'm a Ford guy. I think if Ford and Ram brought back a 7 or 8 speed manual tranny it would sell. Interesting fact. The ZF6 speed Ford used had a pump in it and had a cooler in the bottom of the radiator to cool the ATF fluid it took. GM used the same ZF6 speed but it didn't have a pump to cool the ATF it takes.
I bought one of the last two 2018 G56 trucks sold in Colorado December 26 of 2018. I did upgrade the clutch to a full Southbend set up last summer which makes a world of difference. I think the ideal would be close to what you were saying, a 7 speed with a granny low that you only use when you need to crawl, and a double overdrive. To make up for the single overdrive my truck came with 3:48 gears I believe, or close to that. To high starting out or backing a trailer, but still not high enough at freeway speeds.
I've got a 2006 ram 3500 big horn edition quad cab with a g56. It's got a little over 300k miles with a valair heavy single disk clutch. As far as I'm concerned this is the best truck I've ever owned i will not trade it or sell it or give it up for anything as it still runs as smooth as a cadillac. Mind you i don't tow on a regular basis but the most I've towed with it was about 17,000lbs on the rear hitch. I know it's a bit much but my driveway needed gravel lol. Personally i really LOVE the 5.9l cummins with that g56 combination on top of the valair clutch. I'm hoping to make it a million mile truck, i live in Michigan though so ill be spending some money on body work i know 😂
I am a 2002 Dodge Ram 2500 with 5.9 Cummins HO owner that has the 6 speed manual transmission in it I believe it the NV5600 I bought my truck new in 02 I've never had any trouble out of the Transmission and the truck now has 334700 miles on it I tow I haul most anything I wish car trailers a 10,000 lbs camper never had an issue with the trans ! I've tuned my truck by putting Cold Air intake along with 4inch exhaust bigger exhaust manifold and bigger Air intake Horn also Edge 5 Stage Comp Box stacked with the Smarty box so I figure I'm around 400 hp maybe a bit more ! I won't own a automatic in a truck I prefer to downshift when towing and I prefer to be the one that decides what gear I want at different hills or mountains ! Just my preference ! I run a South Bend 495 hp clutch pressure plate set up and have only had to put two clutches in it since it was new ! Best Truck I've owned by far ! I got it with the towing package which made it nice !
I'm going to be turning 16 in September of this year and I would love to drive stick shift. My uncle has a Ram and it's a stick shift. I've always dreamed of buying a manual transmission Ram truck.
Greetings Kingman the I use a 2003 ram 2500 quad cab with a5.9 with a nv 5600 witha short throw shrift kit in Ghana west Africa where it was used in marsh land 5yrs 4months. Was used in a African movie Love and bullets. RASPECT!!
The lack of a manual transmission is the main reason I haven't even considered a 5th Gen. You can give me all the reasons why the automatic is better but at the end of the day gonna keep my fleet of 3 pedal trucks.
Good vid. I have a 05 2500 with the first gen G56 with the crappy OD. Been running a dual disk for years with the engine sitting around 650hp. Pulls my 32 ft gooseneck just fine. 75 mph at 2400 rpm with 3.73 rear gears. I bought a 22 Corolla SE for my daily because that was the last year you could get a 6 speed manual without having to drop 45k for a GR. It wouldn't be hard for a committed OEM to design and produce a suitable trans. Just need to justify the demand.
Tremec bought Spicer, the Tremec 7-speed is the exact same as the Spicer 7-speed. If you could pair a sufficiently strong, double-overdrive 7-speed with a twin-disc clutch, and offer it with the most powerful version of the diesel, it would be a big seller.
Cummins put Dodge trucks on the map and set fire to the diesel craze. Could you imagine the marketing for a "man's only" truck with a strong stick? Jesus, Cummins & Eaton Fuller... they'd come in droves!
I put one of those 7 speeds behind a 5.9 in a 2nd gen and loved everything about it. Ran a 14in dual disk clutch. 500rpm between every shift. Floated every shift bc rpm match was so easy.
When Ram's still came with manuals I was seriously considering switching from my 05 Silverado 2500HD to a Dodge. But once Ram's were no longer offered I just decided it's no longer worth purchasing a new pickup. I would buy a manual in a heartbeat if I could. And the only chevy pickups I owned were manuals, had a 70 C-10 3 speed, 93 S-10 5 speed, 05 2500HD 5 speed, and also had a 11 Camaro 6 speed, and that was a double OD. A 5 or 6 speed with a 2 speed splitter would be perfect. My 05 NV4500 gear ratios were a bit far apart, it could have used 2 speed aux gear (was going to put a Gear Vendors OD on it but never did) that would have allowed me to keep the ratios close while towing but could still shift without splitting when empty and would have also given me a double OD, and with 4.10's it would have been really nice. The Tremec and Eaton Fuller 7 speed manuals max at around 650 ft lbs input torque. So there would need to be more R&D done to increase their strength as well.
I saw this video and got excited. I refuse to buy a new cummins because not having a manual option. I want the manual back. i mean you go to Europe and they all drive manuals. This is America Land of the free well BRING BACK THE CLUTCH. #SaveTheManuals
I've got a 01 with a nv 5600 and a gear vendors overdrive so I truly have double overdrive. And its been holding up to 450 hp and double that in torque for a long time. Would a stick in a new dodge make me buy one ? Na emissions ruined that.
I've always wanted a manual truck. So thank you for uploading this video. And I hope that RAM will start to offer the manual transmission again. Since I'd prefer manual (stick shift) Heavy Duty trucks.
Maintenance, longevity and durability are the three main factors that play into me never owning an automatic transmission vehicle. Rebuild cost of an automatic transmission are astronomical compared to a simple clutch replacement on a manual transmission in most cases.
If Ram would partner up with Eaton-Fuller. I would love a Ram truck with a Cummins and a 10 speed Eaton-Fuller Transmission. I would thoroughly enjoy running through all 10 gears.
@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853 no thanks, I'll take a fast shifting smooth synchronized manual, or an auto. If I want a roadranger, I'll drive my freightliner, but not in a pickup. Unsynchronized won't sell
Your looking for a current time manual transmission, look at trucking with the 13/18 speed. The gear splitter is game changing when it comes to them. Take a 6 speed and add a gear splitter to it and now you have a 6-8-10-12 speed all in one and you can keep in powerband like an auto
There was a 1 second clip of a manual trans in a RAM commercial I saw last week during the Nascar race. Bizarre. All theyhave to do is look on the auto trader and see G56 trucks selling for 5-10K more than slushbox trucks. People want them. I have an 03 with a CR and 5600 and an 18 w a 6.7/G56. Love them both.
I had a new 2012 Cummins with the g56. I loved it. I would definitely buy one if they came out with it. I think Ford could blow peoples minds if they offered a manual again too.
The death of the g56 or stick option is the reason I've retained my 2011 I tow frequent and push a meager 500 hp and other than swapping to a standard flywheel and dual disc clutch its held together fine and would buy another even if the power was still on the lower end. It would b nice to see possibly an 8 speed
I love my diesel. But my only vehicle that has a manual is my Ranger. I tend to find myself driving the Ranger more than the diesel due to the transmission.
Speaking as a Heavy HotShot guy. Ram can do everything you’ve just mentioned and they would see success. I would go a step further and say that they can do 2 more things. 1/ Bring over the power from the standard output trucks to the cab and chassis since they are removing SO with the ZF transmission introduction. 2/ add Megacab to the cab and chassis lineup. Perfect hotshot 5500 Ram, SO power numbers, mega cab sleeper, 84 Cab to axle, 4.44 rear, 7 speed manual.
I wanted a 6.4 hemi with a manual when I was new truck shopping in 2017... but since Ram wouldn't make it, I bought a new Cummins with G56. I would buy another manual in a heartbeat.
What would it take? Updated gearbox and good clutch. Smooth shifting definitely, and NO power reductions. I got rid of the DMF in my 2018 RAM 3500, replacing with quality single disc so the motor could be tuned up to HO-Aisin level for that year.
Yes, i would buy a new Ram with a manual trany. I kept my 2015 Ram with a manaul, because in 2019 the manual trany went away, and I bought a Gladiator with a manual to run around and save milage on my 2015 Ram with the manual trany. I agree that Ram needs to be different than the other Brands, that is part of the reason I moved to Dodge trucks in 1991. My Dodge/Ram trucks, i have owned 7 of these trucks, and they have been very reliable compared to the previous brand I owned.
I've been running the TX-14607B spicer 7 speed for 3 years in my compound turbo 12 valve swapped truck. I run a 3.73 rear gear and a 41 inch tire. I cruise 66 mph at 1500 rpms. I operate between 1400-2100 rpm. I essentially shift it like a 5LL. I have a 9.24 1st and a 5.35 2nd gear for towing. My 3.22 3rd is my unloaded 1st gear. When I drive it like a 5 speed it's pretty much geared like a manual allison transmission. 3.22, 2.04, 1.37, 1.00, 0.75. Transmission is good for upwards of 1400tq. My truck has 425/1293. I've gotten close to 26 mpg empty on a 400 mile round-trip. Truck routinely tows upwards of 60K#'s. I stand behind a strong manual transmission. Its just unfortunate that I had to engineer my own truck after being let down time and time again on newer trucks.
17 3500 SRW Laramie w/g56 here. Unfortunately I have to buy another, bigger (5500) truck. I dry heave at the thought of my left quad getting smaller and bored not being able to push that south bend dual disc clutch pedal in anymore so I have come to the conclusion I can never sell this truck. It’s everything I’d ever wanted, and then some, in a truck. I was on the same bandwagon of “if ram doesn’t make another manual, then I’ll just have this one forever” but unfortunately after the second wheel stud (or the lug centric method rims) failed, this time at 60 mph leaving me stranded for 10 hours on the side of the road after a 16 hour day…I gotta “up”grade. If ram comes out with a manual option the following year, I’ll be fricken pissed but will immediately sell this new truck and buy it.
I think you are right, people who weren’t necessarily stick shift guys got Ram for the engine, and if the choice was marginal 4 speed auto or stick, they went stick. Still, if I were to give up my low mile loaded 5.9/G56, if there were a 5x2 or 7 speed stick, I’d go for that- but I’m not sure how many are like minded.
I understand companies say something like this "we can't sell manual trucks and cars" well if they left a few available then they would sell more. Farmers like stick shift trucks
I would like a 370hp 850 torque with a10 speed 5 under and 5 over with 10th being an overdrive with 410 or 444s. I use to drive a 1956 kenworth 923 or 925 ??? It had a 275 horsepower iron lung Cummins. It was 743 cid with a 5x4 brownie transmission and double overdrive with 410 gears . Depending on the load going up the summit you would be doing 5 to55 mph. You just had to learn the gears. It was my uncles truck. It was a 3 axle with no front brakes .his 2946 peterbuilt was setup the same way. Denis from Santa Rosa CA
Need to have a very low bottom gear or 2 for starting in mud , loose gravel and on hills. Need to be able to service hydraulic slave cylinder with out dropping the transmission.
I have one of the last manual trucks it was built in Oct 2017. CCLB 2500. A few regrets, I do wish I would have ordered the 3500 instead. Also when ordering there was no choice for gear ratio options only the 3.55s. I did get the snow chief group which gave me limited slip along with a few other goodies. The stock clutch slipped as soon as i upgraded the emissions and put on a modest single 30hp tune. I put in a Valair dual disc "quiet" clutch. If this is the quiet model, I would hate to see the non-quiet version. It rattles at idle or low rpm all the time. I should have went with a 400hp single disc setup which is what I will do if I can ever wear this thing out. I let the guys at one of the more well known performance shops talk me into dual disc, mistake. But I hardly drive the truck so that will be a long long time from now.
I think the ratios on that Tremec would pair perfectly with say, a 3.23 rear end. GM has gone up to a 3.42 in the new Duramaxes when 3.73 used to be the standard, and 4.10 used to be an option. If we keep increasing the number of gears, guys are gonna have to get used to seeing higher axle ratios. Some of the non-IC 1st gen Cummins ran a 3.08 rear to compensate for the low redline behind a 727 transmission.
looked a couple years to find the truck i wanted. first two rams were 12v 5/6 spd manual. couldn't find a newer truck in manual looked and looked, wasn't about to have the 68rfe got the aisn HO6.7. it's not a manual but got to admit i'm loving this truck
I think ram quit putting R&d into the manual bc it saw its customer base starting to sway away from the g56. Although we can blame ram that the g56 numbers weren’t as good as the auto trucks and they didn’t improve it. But can also blame customer base as we stopped buying them. There are numbers out there that show the decrease in sale on manual g56 trucks compared to the autos. So it’s both the manufacturer and the customers who led to the downfall of manual trans rams. But great video. Thanks for your input.
I agree the lower ratings of the g56 killed it. If the manual option had the same weight and tow ratings had been the same across the board this may have been different.
Great video! Just came upon your channel. I'm not biased by any means. I have owned all three brands. Currently have Ford and Chev my last 6-speed ram that I had owned that did it for me. That thing left me with blowing transmissions multiple clutches transfer cases. You name it
Well it could be nice beautiful and the US market has a manual transmission but down here in Mexico we still have brand new ram s with manual transmission and that's pretty cool
Love my 2018 cummins manual 3500. I get ridiculous offers for this truck. Its so tempting to sell but I know I can't replace it. Yes dodge will sell lots if they bring back manual
One overdrive is fine with a 3.50 rear axle gear, or 3.42 that was used for years. With a 7.48 first gear, launching would be fine. Overdrive manual transmissions, create heat. With 2 overdrives and a lower rear axle gear, you will spend a lot of time in overdrive. That equals, a hot tranny. With high rear axle gears and 1 overdrive, towing heavy, will force a downshift to direct, a good thing.
The g56 holds the power of these new pickups just fine. I know cause my 07 put down more power than my 21. The problem is the clutch. They went with dual mass cause it makes the clutch "easier" to push in. My wife drove my 07 just fine. It's the pussification of society that did it.
It would be awesome if they came back with a manual option for the rams I would love it if they did. I love my ford truck I got a obs 7.3 and it a great truck but I love the sound of the Cummins and how they do the trim levels of the cab chassis’s
They didn't sell. Period. Yes there are us purists and I will keep my 5.9 NV5600. They would have done the R&D if the sales numbers were up. We are a dying breed.
Having had a 2002 with the NV5600, and a 2007 5.9 with the G56, I'd say the NV hands down. Exhaust brake works better with the manuals also, as the EB works down into first gear down to an idle. The 7 speed would be great, and I'd get one. I think that part of the reason for no more manual transmissions is because of emissions. Easier to control emissions with an auto. One thing in addition to having a 7 speed with double overdrive, would be a lower geared reverse. A reverse gear ratio like the old truck 4 speeds would be great for backing trailers or heavy trucks. Don't need to go 15 mph in reverse.
@@downbytheriver501 I'd love to remove mine and shitcan it, but regardless of how heavy it is to move, the fines that would make my wallet lighter suck even more!
You do realize the ZF6 came behind the duromax and 8.1 for many years and previously the NV4500 behind everything GM made. Just saying. But I also disagree with the double overdrive comments. I think a solid 6 speed or even Breyer 7 with a low craw gear and one OD at around .80 is a good point. But that’s just my humble opinion. Love the video.
Late '80's I ended up with an old International road truck from the '50's . Had a 450ci gasoline, inline 6, an added 2 speed vacuum rear end.Trany was probably 9 speed. Anyway, the truck had more gears and power than you could get to the top of @ 55-60 mph. Just under 26,000 lbs. Used to get 17mpg consistently. Duplicate that in a p/u Chrysler and you'll have something!
I agree they got left behind,as autos got better and stronger. The 7 speed is the sweet spot . You could run 6 th as direct w a 3.08 rear end .That would be ideal,as direct is the best pulling gear ,trans runs cooler and is most efficient and will last the longest,This would require a huge driveshaft and u joint due to more load being added due to the ratio. There are still a few issues to work out, powertrain management and torque management is easy with an auto, it becomes more difficult with a manual, the lower gears would need some torque limiting to protect the frame,axles and driveline from abusive drivers . The final issue is something you didn’t mention at all, without air brakes and spring brakes ,without a park gear in an auto, the parking brakes become critical. Last time Ram offered the G56 the tow rating was half what the HO trucks are now. The parking brake system would require a huge upgrade to hold a the truck and 30-35k gooseneck trailer on a slight incline. Class 5 trucks typically use a drum or disc brake at rear of the trans for a parking brake when they use hydraulic brakes,this isn’t a good idea in the application. If they built it they would sell everyone they could make.
They got more gears and more expensive doubt they got any stronger than gear to gear. Clutch replacement is cheaper than rebuilding/replacing the automatic BUT if you drive the manual right the clutch will last a long time.
You make some great points. I loved the Getrag 56, but a Tremec TR 6060 or a Magnum 6 speed with the double overdrive might be a better choice. At least for a 1/2 ton truck. Put that with the new Hurricane gas straight 6 and I would trade in my truck on a new Ram. I'd even buy a 3/4 or bigger Ram with the 6.7 Cummins and an Eaton 10 speed. As you said though, too much shifting for a daily driver. I like your idea of a 7 speed. It's already in the new Bronco as a 6 speed + crawl gear. I think there is a demand for manual trans trucks. Right now, we're looking at a new Tacoma for my wife because it's the only truck that comes with a stick.
A lot of the problem lies with the dealers . They get a percentage of the base price of every vehicle they sell , they also get a percentage of the cost of every option they put on a vehicle . So when the sales manager specs out the new vehicles for the lot inventory they load them up with every expensive option available . They didn't make any extra money from a manual transmission , so they refused to put them into their inventory . Couple that with buyers that didn't want to wait 6-8 weeks for a new truck to be built , so they settled for the automatic transmission . Hopefully if GM builds that 8.3 L Duramax , they put a 7 sp. stick behind it , with a 4.30 :1 rear end .
100% would buy a manual. Holding on to my 2015 3500 G56.i was so sad when the manual went out. I would buy a new truck with a manual in a heartbeat. No manual is the reason I did not buy a new truck. No manual, no sale! I also agree, it needs HO power numbers! The DT 1500 cab, 6 7 foot bed and a 7 speed double overdrive! Take my money! Everything I own is manual and that will not change!
I started off driving a Ford 3 speed on the column, I’ve had both Ford’s and Chevy’s with automatics cannot stand them as I’ve never had one last. And I’ve driven old Ford F-250 and F-350 trucks with 4 in the floor, I’ve even driven some old Ford dump trucks with 5 speeds that had a 2 speed rear end to make a 10 speed truck. And the truck I fell in love with, a 1999 Dodge Quad Club cab 3500 Cummings diesel with a 5 speed. That truck always felt like it needed at least one more gear for me to grab. The 2005 Dodge Quad Club cab 3500 Cummings diesel with its six speed that I test drove, felt the same way. And it had nothing to do with the lack of power, or the transmission being inferior. It was that the motor felt like it wanted that extra gear, because it drove so good especially when I was pulling with it. But IMO, the reason people stopped buying manual transmissions in trucks, is because they have been lied too about how much better an automatic is and how much stronger it is. And you will never convince me that an automatic is better or stronger then a manual transmission, when you are blowing automatics up after 20,000 miles because you haul feed in the bed of your single axle one ton.
How bout use a 6 speed pattern put a 2 speed tailhousing to split the upper gears and lock it out in 1st and 2nd giving it effectively a synchronized 10 manual speed transmission with kick down gears for engine braking and extra over drive for the on the fly shifts to stay in the torque curve for higher speeds. It sounds complicated but it ain’t. Just do what dodge did in the 90s when somebody bought the viper educate them on their purchase. This would be a show stopper in the towing community. Pair it to the 3500s exclusively as an option and have a limited small batch of 2500s like couple hundred. Pretty sure I could come make a team and build this up, and if I could do it then so could Dodge Tremec, Spicer, Eaton, any other transmission manufacturer. Pair this with a Cummins and 4x4 and unlock the 1st and 2nd make it a HD split 12 speed would be cool for like a power wagon.
I am Ford guy not a Cummins guy but if I could find a manual transmission or they bring it back I'd buy one. Hell my daily driver is a 93 Ford explorer four door with factory 5 speed stick.
I would love an 8 speed manual, 8 for running empty and not towing! I would also take a 7 speed! Bring back the manual!!! They wouldn't be stolen! Most hoodlums probably can't drive a stick!!! We could save on insurance!😉
I am with you on this. The 7 speed you showed us would work if it could handle the HO torque. I would also buy the road Ranger. But then again I would also love a 5500 with a 18spd. 😁😁😁. But for your average user the 7 speed and 4:10 gears with a dual disk clutch would be a outstanding setup assuming the HO engine. It would sell but it has to have final drive options and the high output engine. I suppose a man could build one but damn that would be expensive. Be safe.
My 2000 f450 7.3 6 speed makes a few less psi boost from the factory than the autos but nearly the same power numbers. I think it runs just fine down the highway with 1 overdrive in the .7 range with rear gearing of 5.38 I believe. It runs higher rpms of 2500 at 70 but thats a perfect range for when loaded and doesnt get as worse mpg as you'd think
Back then the manual had more gears to have more gear overlap than the 4 speed autos that ended up burning up due to excess heat from the fluid friction slipping into gears(partially caused by tiny fluid coolers). I can accidentally skip from 2nd the 6th and drive it like a 2 speed "unloaded"(it weighs 12,000 lbs empty with an 18 ft bed)
Completely different truck and engine. Cummins has a much better and much wider powerband then those old 7.3 v8's. Cummins wants to be around 2k for good mileage. I have a 97 7.3 with 4.63 and a zf5
The problem is they have to fit the transmission in the truck where in medium duty it’s under the truck plus the automatic use planetary gears so they can make them stronger and smaller where in a manual you have to make the gears big or the teeth smaller to get the ratios and fit you want
I was lucky enough get a 2018 ram 3500 with manual transmission and honestly the only reason I got a ram over Ford or Chevrolet was the manual transmission but don’t get me wrong I’ve not had any issues and wouldn’t trade the truck for 10 new truck with automatic’s
If they release a cummins ho with a modern stick shift.. it would definitely sell... best bet would probably be Eaton.. since they know shift shift and torque levels....
dealers dont want manual trucks, thats the only reason they're not offered. dealers hate sitting on manuals or trying to convince people to buy them. i just want a truck that doesn't feel like a car inside. i want a 45 degree windshield
They are getting rid of manuals because of emissions requirements. I know, the old argument about them being more efficient but the automakers believe the automatics are more fuel efficient and they don't want the manuals dragging down their numbers. You can blame your government for these regulations.
It would be nice to see that behind the new Cummins 6.7 gas think about that no diesel filters of any kind but still the same kind of torque because they say it's only going to be different from the head gasket up so everything else stays the same below put a stick shift behind that and you can go through a drive-thru without turning the engine off because the drive-thru attendant can't hear you
I think a 5-6 speed twin countershaft with a direct/over splitter that you can skip and drive like a standard 6/7 speed and have the extra OD, would be the ticket, ability to split loaded. good dual disk from the factory behind the HO.
I'm a Ram guy and I also love stick shift I personally would like to see Ram bring back the stick shift
It would be a huge theft deterrent. The youngsters can drive them. 😂
Your right 100% I have never owned a auto in a truck a truck is supposed to have a stick .
If we are pipe dreaming, a range selector or 2 speed rear would be my ideal truck setup. I run empty as much as i do heavy. It sure would be nice to have different gearsets when i am towing, vs when i am just going to see grandma.
8 speed, low/high on an H pattern. But I'd say that's a big pipe dream lol
@@LilSquirrelly with a low/high you could probably make a 5 speed seem ideal.
A ruxel!
@@Lowerider182doing a eaten fuller swap is probably the best way
Your literally the only person I know who wants a two speed rears those things are junk plus you can’t get a locker with them and there expensive as hell to fix when the blow apart
I bought an 18 g56 because it was the last year for them. I also remember the good old days when stick shift trucks had more power. I would absolutely buy a new one if ram put a competitive manual in it
It does have more power once you tune it
@@bradleycooper5436i had thought I'd heard a nv5600 would hold 1000 hp with a proper clutch setup
@@calebz1448 it will the nb4500 is quite cheap to rebuild as well. However off the lot the autos come tuned for more.power (just a tune though)
7 speed is a good number, we need an eaton that has a 4x4 option
Agreed I’d be a buyer in a heartbeat
I'm with you 110%.. had and still have stick shift trucks. Will never buy a new truck but if Ram comes out with there new straight 6 and a stick, that could change my mind
2018 RAM 3500 SRW w/G56 I bought new. I wasn’t even in to diesel then, but now I’m hooked. Long story short, a little piece of land, gooseneck, a tractor and skid steer, & now this Yankee outta Jersey finally feels “country”.😊 It all started w/the 2018 G56! Love it!
I bought a 2018 g56 we as well. I love it
As for numbers of gears my favorite for daily driving is 5 but add a gear vendors and its a 10 speed for heavy work .
Eaton Fuller buddy💪🏽
I've got a 5.9 with the G56 and I'd love to have a double OD gear. My truck has a tall rear end which helps on the highway but it'd be sweet to have 4.10 rear for towing then double OD for cruising down the highway; make it the best of both worlds.
Look at a gear vendors
@@chrishansen7004gear vendor wasn't built for towing heavy.
@@ryanfiorio270 I had a 1965 ford pick up with a 3 on the tree with a lever under the dash for over drive and that truck was a bad ass with a 352 it liked gas but I use to blow Dusters away !!!
@@ryanfiorio270 I have a 05 Dodge 3500 long bed dullay 4 door 6 speed manual with 3.37 gears and that was a perfect gear set at 2000 70moh and had the balls to tow, you just had to know when to down shift and not melt your truck down. 3.10 were great for towing but sucked on the hiway and your fuel tank !!!!
I have the 2018 dually with the G56, 40 k miles its a great transmission, diesel exhaust braking is awesome!
Yes! I have a stick and love rowing through the gears.
Apropos about the manual transmission issue: ZF has always offered synchronized manual truck transmissions ranging from your average direct drive light duty 5 speed and up to the heavy duty 16 gear overdrive (4 low + 4 high range change + 1/2 gear splitter on all 8 giving you 16 forward ratios), in Europe and everywhere else in the world with the exception of North America.
The 1950s and ‘60s 12 gear transmissions used to have 6 forward gears main box with a 1/2 splitter box added to it. Later the 12 gear went to the range change main box plus the splitter box (3 low + 3 high + 1/2 splitter on all 6 giving 12 forward gears and 2 reverse )
The “7 speed” version you’re talking about is a medium duty 6 speed synchro manual transmission which has a deep reduction crawler gear and with it the reverse gear is much slower than on the regular 6 speed, thus making it allot smoother on the clutch and life allot easier for the driver when reversing with a loaded trailer. (hotshot work or some big 5th wheel RV)
The American Eaton Fuller manual class 8 truck transmissions are non synchronized and were offered throughout the years anywhere from 9 speed to a maximum of 18 forward ratios and a maximum of 2250 ft lbs torque rating (the “double over” .73 in the 18th hole, the RTLO 22918-B)
The 9 speed main box is the base for the 13 speed and the 18 speed transmissions by simply adding the 1/2 gear splitter box to it.
The 18 (A model) speed is identical in almost everything to the 13 speed with the only difference being that the 13 speed won’t let you split the gears in the low range. The 18 speed B model starts at a deeper reduction gears in the low range and keeps the 200 RPM step constant between all 18 gears where the rest have a bigger RPM gap from the 5th to the 6th when changing the range and start at a bit of a faster ratio at the crawler.
The newer “Super 10” is a bit of a different animal than the old Eaton Fuller 10 speed which was the base for the deep reduction 15 speed. ( the old 10 and the 15 are no longer in production )
These days there are only the “Super 10”, the 13 A and the 18 A and B class 8 truck transmissions offered by Eaton Fuller in either manual or automated manual configurations.
The reverse on the g56 is so terrible I added a 2wd lo selector on my 17 ram just so I could use low gears backing up with heavier loads. It’s so much more convenient except for having to wait for the transfer case to switch over to low.
Great Idea: give me a 6-7 spd manual with a split axle button on the handle. Drive it as a six spd empty trailer or no trailer running around. Drove a 70 series Chevy grain dump when I was ten.
I would trade my 2023 3500 to get a 7 speed manual with SO or HO ratings however if the manual transmission can handle even more HP and torque then Ram should do it.
YES THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN , because if we are being honest guys who drive rams at least the hd ones , already have a solid truck but some may argue about the transmission , especially cause these guys use the trucks for farming or hotshot driving , so there is nothing better than having a more reliable transmission and less maintenance, but also to shift and grab your own gears #RAM , I HOPE YALL DO THIS
Definitely would love to see manuals again
I’ve got a 12 G56 & love it. Seen guys put in overdrive units in them to get that extra “7th” gear. Would love to see ram bring back the manuals. Down in mexico they’ve been continued using the G56 in the 19-24 model years but only behind the hemi. They’ve also used the tremec trans for years in the rams... the 4 speed TR-3340 in 2nd gens, then the 5 speed TR-4050 in 3rd gens. Will be interesting to see if they bring back the manuals and if so what they use.
You sound like you have some knowledge, so I’d like to pose a question to you. I have an ‘09 that’s on its third G56. I purchased the truck with what I believed to be a reman trans @ 97k and then I put a reman in @ 224K because the input shaft bearing started to howl and rattle. Well, it’s starting to make noise again @ 241K. I was using Royal Purple Synchromesh and I switched to Delvac 50 which is a heavier oil. The truck is running a mild tune for increased torque and lower EGT’s which was already on the truck when I purchased it @ 97K. I always use 1st gear and I don’t hotrod it. It’s used to tow my 14K boat & 17K 5er RV. Axle ratio is 3:42. Any thoughts?
7-8 with a lower reverse gear that’s the big complaint the reverse gear has to be lower my 92 Dodge cummins had locking hubs so you could put it in low range and back great .
The slow reverse is one of the problems with HD pickups if you put a snowplow on
Call it a "drag race reverse "
I put a switch on my 17 Laramie g56 to access low gears without 4x4. Best few hundred bucks I ever spent.
I'm a Ram guy and have been since the Cummins I think they should come back out with the manual transmission and you're right about the fact that they needed to update it almost 15 years before they stop producing it personally I think all three companies are lame for stopping in the first place
I'm a Ford guy. I think if Ford and Ram brought back a 7 or 8 speed manual tranny it would sell. Interesting fact. The ZF6 speed Ford used had a pump in it and had a cooler in the bottom of the radiator to cool the ATF fluid it took. GM used the same ZF6 speed but it didn't have a pump to cool the ATF it takes.
I bought one of the last two 2018 G56 trucks sold in Colorado December 26 of 2018. I did upgrade the clutch to a full Southbend set up last summer which makes a world of difference. I think the ideal would be close to what you were saying, a 7 speed with a granny low that you only use when you need to crawl, and a double overdrive. To make up for the single overdrive my truck came with 3:48 gears I believe, or close to that. To high starting out or backing a trailer, but still not high enough at freeway speeds.
I've got a 2006 ram 3500 big horn edition quad cab with a g56. It's got a little over 300k miles with a valair heavy single disk clutch. As far as I'm concerned this is the best truck I've ever owned i will not trade it or sell it or give it up for anything as it still runs as smooth as a cadillac. Mind you i don't tow on a regular basis but the most I've towed with it was about 17,000lbs on the rear hitch. I know it's a bit much but my driveway needed gravel lol. Personally i really LOVE the 5.9l cummins with that g56 combination on top of the valair clutch. I'm hoping to make it a million mile truck, i live in Michigan though so ill be spending some money on body work i know 😂
I am a 2002 Dodge Ram 2500 with 5.9 Cummins HO owner that has the 6 speed manual transmission in it I believe it the NV5600 I bought my truck new in 02 I've never had any trouble out of the Transmission and the truck now has 334700 miles on it I tow I haul most anything I wish car trailers a 10,000 lbs camper never had an issue with the trans ! I've tuned my truck by putting Cold Air intake along with 4inch exhaust bigger exhaust manifold and bigger Air intake Horn also Edge 5 Stage Comp Box stacked with the Smarty box so I figure I'm around 400 hp maybe a bit more ! I won't own a automatic in a truck I prefer to downshift when towing and I prefer to be the one that decides what gear I want at different hills or mountains ! Just my preference ! I run a South Bend 495 hp clutch pressure plate set up and have only had to put two clutches in it since it was new ! Best Truck I've owned by far ! I got it with the towing package which made it nice !
I'm going to be turning 16 in September of this year and I would love to drive stick shift. My uncle has a Ram and it's a stick shift. I've always dreamed of buying a manual transmission Ram truck.
I have a 2018 g56 love it. Sad they stopped making them
Greetings Kingman the I use a 2003 ram 2500 quad cab with a5.9 with a nv 5600 witha short throw shrift kit in Ghana west Africa where it was used in marsh land 5yrs 4months. Was used in a African movie Love and bullets. RASPECT!!
Im holding onto my 2014 G56 Ram 3500 SW. It's got 399k on the clock I put a dual disk clutch and rebuilt the trans @ 342k
The lack of a manual transmission is the main reason I haven't even considered a 5th Gen. You can give me all the reasons why the automatic is better but at the end of the day gonna keep my fleet of 3 pedal trucks.
Good vid. I have a 05 2500 with the first gen G56 with the crappy OD. Been running a dual disk for years with the engine sitting around 650hp. Pulls my 32 ft gooseneck just fine. 75 mph at 2400 rpm with 3.73 rear gears. I bought a 22 Corolla SE for my daily because that was the last year you could get a 6 speed manual without having to drop 45k for a GR. It wouldn't be hard for a committed OEM to design and produce a suitable trans. Just need to justify the demand.
Tremec bought Spicer, the Tremec 7-speed is the exact same as the Spicer 7-speed.
If you could pair a sufficiently strong, double-overdrive 7-speed with a twin-disc clutch, and offer it with the most powerful version of the diesel, it would be a big seller.
Cummins put Dodge trucks on the map and set fire to the diesel craze. Could you imagine the marketing for a "man's only" truck with a strong stick? Jesus, Cummins & Eaton Fuller... they'd come in droves!
I put one of those 7 speeds behind a 5.9 in a 2nd gen and loved everything about it. Ran a 14in dual disk clutch. 500rpm between every shift. Floated every shift bc rpm match was so easy.
When Ram's still came with manuals I was seriously considering switching from my 05 Silverado 2500HD to a Dodge. But once Ram's were no longer offered I just decided it's no longer worth purchasing a new pickup. I would buy a manual in a heartbeat if I could. And the only chevy pickups I owned were manuals, had a 70 C-10 3 speed, 93 S-10 5 speed, 05 2500HD 5 speed, and also had a 11 Camaro 6 speed, and that was a double OD. A 5 or 6 speed with a 2 speed splitter would be perfect. My 05 NV4500 gear ratios were a bit far apart, it could have used 2 speed aux gear (was going to put a Gear Vendors OD on it but never did) that would have allowed me to keep the ratios close while towing but could still shift without splitting when empty and would have also given me a double OD, and with 4.10's it would have been really nice. The Tremec and Eaton Fuller 7 speed manuals max at around 650 ft lbs input torque. So there would need to be more R&D done to increase their strength as well.
I saw this video and got excited. I refuse to buy a new cummins because not having a manual option. I want the manual back. i mean you go to Europe and they all drive manuals. This is America Land of the free well BRING BACK THE CLUTCH. #SaveTheManuals
Sing it brother
I've got a 01 with a nv 5600 and a gear vendors overdrive so I truly have double overdrive. And its been holding up to 450 hp and double that in torque for a long time. Would a stick in a new dodge make me buy one ? Na emissions ruined that.
I've always wanted a manual truck. So thank you for uploading this video. And I hope that RAM will start to offer the manual transmission again. Since I'd prefer manual (stick shift) Heavy Duty trucks.
Maintenance, longevity and durability are the three main factors that play into me never owning an automatic transmission vehicle. Rebuild cost of an automatic transmission are astronomical compared to a simple clutch replacement on a manual transmission in most cases.
If Ram would partner up with Eaton-Fuller. I would love a Ram truck with a Cummins and a 10 speed Eaton-Fuller Transmission. I would thoroughly enjoy running through all 10 gears.
Assuming it would be half the size of the class 8 trans, and be synchronized, I'm in
@@bobbyjfarms3681 Sync?... "We don't need no syncing gears!"🤣 Foat 'em buddy and impress your friends💪🏽
@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853 no thanks, I'll take a fast shifting smooth synchronized manual, or an auto. If I want a roadranger, I'll drive my freightliner, but not in a pickup. Unsynchronized won't sell
@@bobbyjfarms3681 I must agree with your last sentiment. But I love shifting without a clutch.
Your looking for a current time manual transmission, look at trucking with the 13/18 speed. The gear splitter is game changing when it comes to them. Take a 6 speed and add a gear splitter to it and now you have a 6-8-10-12 speed all in one and you can keep in powerband like an auto
There was a 1 second clip of a manual trans in a RAM commercial I saw last week during the Nascar race. Bizarre. All theyhave to do is look on the auto trader and see G56 trucks selling for 5-10K more than slushbox trucks. People want them. I have an 03 with a CR and 5600 and an 18 w a 6.7/G56. Love them both.
I had a new 2012 Cummins with the g56. I loved it. I would definitely buy one if they came out with it. I think Ford could blow peoples minds if they offered a manual again too.
Add a road ranger with super granny 1st gear
@stoutlogging I agree, I really hope that Ford will offer the manual transmission again.
The death of the g56 or stick option is the reason I've retained my 2011 I tow frequent and push a meager 500 hp and other than swapping to a standard flywheel and dual disc clutch its held together fine and would buy another even if the power was still on the lower end. It would b nice to see possibly an 8 speed
I love my diesel. But my only vehicle that has a manual is my Ranger. I tend to find myself driving the Ranger more than the diesel due to the transmission.
Speaking as a Heavy HotShot guy. Ram can do everything you’ve just mentioned and they would see success. I would go a step further and say that they can do 2 more things. 1/ Bring over the power from the standard output trucks to the cab and chassis since they are removing SO with the ZF transmission introduction. 2/ add Megacab to the cab and chassis lineup.
Perfect hotshot 5500 Ram, SO power numbers, mega cab sleeper, 84 Cab to axle, 4.44 rear, 7 speed manual.
I wanted a 6.4 hemi with a manual when I was new truck shopping in 2017... but since Ram wouldn't make it, I bought a new Cummins with G56. I would buy another manual in a heartbeat.
What would it take? Updated gearbox and good clutch. Smooth shifting definitely, and NO power reductions. I got rid of the DMF in my 2018 RAM 3500, replacing with quality single disc so the motor could be tuned up to HO-Aisin level for that year.
Yes, i would buy a new Ram with a manual trany. I kept my 2015 Ram with a manaul, because in 2019 the manual trany went away, and I bought a Gladiator with a manual to run around and save milage on my 2015 Ram with the manual trany. I agree that Ram needs to be different than the other Brands, that is part of the reason I moved to Dodge trucks in 1991. My Dodge/Ram trucks, i have owned 7 of these trucks, and they have been very reliable compared to the previous brand I owned.
The clutch
Needed a dual disc
I've been running the TX-14607B spicer 7 speed for 3 years in my compound turbo 12 valve swapped truck. I run a 3.73 rear gear and a 41 inch tire. I cruise 66 mph at 1500 rpms. I operate between 1400-2100 rpm. I essentially shift it like a 5LL. I have a 9.24 1st and a 5.35 2nd gear for towing. My 3.22 3rd is my unloaded 1st gear. When I drive it like a 5 speed it's pretty much geared like a manual allison transmission. 3.22, 2.04, 1.37, 1.00, 0.75. Transmission is good for upwards of 1400tq. My truck has 425/1293. I've gotten close to 26 mpg empty on a 400 mile round-trip. Truck routinely tows upwards of 60K#'s. I stand behind a strong manual transmission. Its just unfortunate that I had to engineer my own truck after being let down time and time again on newer trucks.
17 3500 SRW Laramie w/g56 here. Unfortunately I have to buy another, bigger (5500) truck. I dry heave at the thought of my left quad getting smaller and bored not being able to push that south bend dual disc clutch pedal in anymore so I have come to the conclusion I can never sell this truck. It’s everything I’d ever wanted, and then some, in a truck.
I was on the same bandwagon of “if ram doesn’t make another manual, then I’ll just have this one forever” but unfortunately after the second wheel stud (or the lug centric method rims) failed, this time at 60 mph leaving me stranded for 10 hours on the side of the road after a 16 hour day…I gotta “up”grade.
If ram comes out with a manual option the following year, I’ll be fricken pissed but will immediately sell this new truck and buy it.
I think you are right, people who weren’t necessarily stick shift guys got Ram for the engine, and if the choice was marginal 4 speed auto or stick, they went stick. Still, if I were to give up my low mile loaded 5.9/G56, if there were a 5x2 or 7 speed stick, I’d go for that- but I’m not sure how many are like minded.
I understand companies say something like this "we can't sell manual trucks and cars" well if they left a few available then they would sell more. Farmers like stick shift trucks
I would like a 370hp 850 torque with a10 speed 5 under and 5 over with 10th being an overdrive with 410 or 444s. I use to drive a 1956 kenworth 923 or 925 ??? It had a 275 horsepower iron lung Cummins. It was 743 cid with a 5x4 brownie transmission and double overdrive with 410 gears . Depending on the load going up the summit you would be doing 5 to55 mph. You just had to learn the gears. It was my uncles truck. It was a 3 axle with no front brakes .his 2946 peterbuilt was setup the same way. Denis from Santa Rosa CA
Yup, manuals should come back bcuz there are truly the best. & real diesel truck should be manual, even semi trucks.
Need to have a very low bottom gear or 2 for starting in mud , loose gravel and on hills. Need to be able to service hydraulic slave cylinder with out dropping the transmission.
I have one of the last manual trucks it was built in Oct 2017. CCLB 2500. A few regrets, I do wish I would have ordered the 3500 instead. Also when ordering there was no choice for gear ratio options only the 3.55s. I did get the snow chief group which gave me limited slip along with a few other goodies. The stock clutch slipped as soon as i upgraded the emissions and put on a modest single 30hp tune. I put in a Valair dual disc "quiet" clutch. If this is the quiet model, I would hate to see the non-quiet version. It rattles at idle or low rpm all the time. I should have went with a 400hp single disc setup which is what I will do if I can ever wear this thing out. I let the guys at one of the more well known performance shops talk me into dual disc, mistake. But I hardly drive the truck so that will be a long long time from now.
I believe you can still order a Ram with manual transmission in Mexico. What about an Eaton Fuller 9 speed?
I think the ratios on that Tremec would pair perfectly with say, a 3.23 rear end. GM has gone up to a 3.42 in the new Duramaxes when 3.73 used to be the standard, and 4.10 used to be an option. If we keep increasing the number of gears, guys are gonna have to get used to seeing higher axle ratios. Some of the non-IC 1st gen Cummins ran a 3.08 rear to compensate for the low redline behind a 727 transmission.
looked a couple years to find the truck i wanted. first two rams were 12v 5/6 spd manual. couldn't find a newer truck in manual looked and looked, wasn't about to have the 68rfe got the aisn HO6.7. it's not a manual but got to admit i'm loving this truck
I think ram quit putting R&d into the manual bc it saw its customer base starting to sway away from the g56. Although we can blame ram that the g56 numbers weren’t as good as the auto trucks and they didn’t improve it. But can also blame customer base as we stopped buying them. There are numbers out there that show the decrease in sale on manual g56 trucks compared to the autos. So it’s both the manufacturer and the customers who led to the downfall of manual trans rams. But great video. Thanks for your input.
I agree the lower ratings of the g56 killed it. If the manual option had the same weight and tow ratings had been the same across the board this may have been different.
7 speed will be great. But also add a half gear that you can split like between each gear for taking off heavy or up steep inclines
2018 ram 3500 g56 4x4 crewcab dwr tradesman goose/5th prep tow package. Have yet to see 15k miles on the odometer. My baby.
Great video! Just came upon your channel. I'm not biased by any means. I have owned all three brands. Currently have Ford and Chev my last 6-speed ram that I had owned that did it for me. That thing left me with blowing transmissions multiple clutches transfer cases. You name it
Well it could be nice beautiful and the US market has a manual transmission but down here in Mexico we still have brand new ram s with manual transmission and that's pretty cool
Love my 2018 cummins manual 3500. I get ridiculous offers for this truck. Its so tempting to sell but I know I can't replace it. Yes dodge will sell lots if they bring back manual
One overdrive is fine with a 3.50 rear axle gear, or 3.42 that was used for years. With a 7.48 first gear, launching would be fine. Overdrive manual transmissions, create heat. With 2 overdrives and a lower rear axle gear, you will spend a lot of time in overdrive. That equals, a hot tranny. With high rear axle gears and 1 overdrive, towing heavy, will force a downshift to direct, a good thing.
The g56 holds the power of these new pickups just fine. I know cause my 07 put down more power than my 21. The problem is the clutch. They went with dual mass cause it makes the clutch "easier" to push in.
My wife drove my 07 just fine.
It's the pussification of society that did it.
It would be awesome if they came back with a manual option for the rams I would love it if they did. I love my ford truck I got a obs 7.3 and it a great truck but I love the sound of the Cummins and how they do the trim levels of the cab chassis’s
They didn't sell. Period. Yes there are us purists and I will keep my 5.9 NV5600. They would have done the R&D if the sales numbers were up. We are a dying breed.
Having had a 2002 with the NV5600, and a 2007 5.9 with the G56, I'd say the NV hands down. Exhaust brake works better with the manuals also, as the EB works down into first gear down to an idle. The 7 speed would be great, and I'd get one. I think that part of the reason for no more manual transmissions is because of emissions. Easier to control emissions with an auto. One thing in addition to having a 7 speed with double overdrive, would be a lower geared reverse. A reverse gear ratio like the old truck 4 speeds would be great for backing trailers or heavy trucks. Don't need to go 15 mph in reverse.
I agree reverse is a little fast in my 5600. Didn't think about emissions being an issue, valid point
2012 Ram 2500 CC 4X4 6.7 Cummins and G56.. bought with 2 miles on her and 231k now. Only major issues are emissions related!
Yeah those damn things always get in the way when I’m reorganizing my garage. Damn DPF is so fricken heavy!
@@downbytheriver501 I'd love to remove mine and shitcan it, but regardless of how heavy it is to move, the fines that would make my wallet lighter suck even more!
You do realize the ZF6 came behind the duromax and 8.1 for many years and previously the NV4500 behind everything GM made. Just saying. But I also disagree with the double overdrive comments. I think a solid 6 speed or even Breyer 7 with a low craw gear and one OD at around .80 is a good point. But that’s just my humble opinion. Love the video.
Did you watch the entire video? That, or you missed where I spoke on the early dmax/zf6 combo
I had a ‘12 and ‘14 with manuals. The ‘12 run alright because it had 4:10 rear ends. The ‘14 couldn’t pull itself out of a wet paper sack.
Late '80's I ended up with an old International road truck from the '50's . Had a 450ci gasoline, inline 6, an added 2 speed vacuum rear end.Trany was probably 9 speed. Anyway, the truck had more gears and power than you could get to the top of @ 55-60 mph. Just under 26,000 lbs. Used to get 17mpg consistently. Duplicate that in a p/u Chrysler and you'll have something!
I agree they got left behind,as autos got better and stronger. The 7 speed is the sweet spot . You could run 6 th as direct w a 3.08 rear end .That would be ideal,as direct is the best pulling gear ,trans runs cooler and is most efficient and will last the longest,This would require a huge driveshaft and u joint due to more load being added due to the ratio. There are still a few issues to work out, powertrain management and torque management is easy with an auto, it becomes more difficult with a manual, the lower gears would need some torque limiting to protect the frame,axles and driveline from abusive drivers . The final issue is something you didn’t mention at all, without air brakes and spring brakes ,without a park gear in an auto, the parking brakes become critical. Last time Ram offered the G56 the tow rating was half what the HO trucks are now. The parking brake system would require a huge upgrade to hold a the truck and 30-35k gooseneck trailer on a slight incline. Class 5 trucks typically use a drum or disc brake at rear of the trans for a parking brake when they use hydraulic brakes,this isn’t a good idea in the application. If they built it they would sell everyone they could make.
They got more gears and more expensive doubt they got any stronger than gear to gear. Clutch replacement is cheaper than rebuilding/replacing the automatic BUT if you drive the manual right the clutch will last a long time.
The 3:37 was a perfect gear because 70 mph is 2000 rpm and a 4:10 is like 2300rpm and I don’t rev my trucks that high.
I agree with the majority of what you're saying. I just can't see Ram investing in something they dropped due to sales numbers.
I would love to see a 5500 4x4 with a 7 or 9 spd manual.
You make some great points. I loved the Getrag 56, but a Tremec TR 6060 or a Magnum 6 speed with the double overdrive might be a better choice. At least for a 1/2 ton truck. Put that with the new Hurricane gas straight 6 and I would trade in my truck on a new Ram. I'd even buy a 3/4 or bigger Ram with the 6.7 Cummins and an Eaton 10 speed. As you said though, too much shifting for a daily driver. I like your idea of a 7 speed. It's already in the new Bronco as a 6 speed + crawl gear.
I think there is a demand for manual trans trucks. Right now, we're looking at a new Tacoma for my wife because it's the only truck that comes with a stick.
A lot of the problem lies with the dealers . They get a percentage of the base price of every vehicle they sell , they also get a percentage of the cost of every option they put on a vehicle . So when the sales manager specs out the new vehicles for the lot inventory they load them up with every expensive option available . They didn't make any extra money from a manual transmission , so they refused to put them into their inventory . Couple that with buyers that didn't want to wait 6-8 weeks for a new truck to be built , so they settled for the automatic transmission . Hopefully if GM builds that 8.3 L Duramax , they put a 7 sp. stick behind it , with a 4.30 :1 rear end .
Pretty much guarantee gm will be the last one to ever put a stick in a truck again
@@bobbyjfarms3681 which is why I will probably never buy another new truck from them .
Not giving up my 56, till I see a new stick come out!
I'd definitely buy a 5500 4x4 with a manual as long as it had the same or higher towing capacity as the automatic.
100% would buy a manual. Holding on to my 2015 3500 G56.i was so sad when the manual went out. I would buy a new truck with a manual in a heartbeat. No manual is the reason I did not buy a new truck. No manual, no sale! I also agree, it needs HO power numbers!
The DT 1500 cab, 6 7 foot bed and a 7 speed double overdrive! Take my money!
Everything I own is manual and that will not change!
I started off driving a Ford 3 speed on the column, I’ve had both Ford’s and Chevy’s with automatics cannot stand them as I’ve never had one last. And I’ve driven old Ford F-250 and F-350 trucks with 4 in the floor, I’ve even driven some old Ford dump trucks with 5 speeds that had a 2 speed rear end to make a 10 speed truck. And the truck I fell in love with, a 1999 Dodge Quad Club cab 3500 Cummings diesel with a 5 speed. That truck always felt like it needed at least one more gear for me to grab. The 2005 Dodge Quad Club cab 3500 Cummings diesel with its six speed that I test drove, felt the same way. And it had nothing to do with the lack of power, or the transmission being inferior. It was that the motor felt like it wanted that extra gear, because it drove so good especially when I was pulling with it. But IMO, the reason people stopped buying manual transmissions in trucks, is because they have been lied too about how much better an automatic is and how much stronger it is. And you will never convince me that an automatic is better or stronger then a manual transmission, when you are blowing automatics up after 20,000 miles because you haul feed in the bed of your single axle one ton.
And the sales dudes get more commission with automatics :)
How bout use a 6 speed pattern put a 2 speed tailhousing to split the upper gears and lock it out in 1st and 2nd giving it effectively a synchronized 10 manual speed transmission with kick down gears for engine braking and extra over drive for the on the fly shifts to stay in the torque curve for higher speeds. It sounds complicated but it ain’t. Just do what dodge did in the 90s when somebody bought the viper educate them on their purchase.
This would be a show stopper in the towing community. Pair it to the 3500s exclusively as an option and have a limited small batch of 2500s like couple hundred. Pretty sure I could come make a team and build this up, and if I could do it then so could Dodge Tremec, Spicer, Eaton, any other transmission manufacturer. Pair this with a Cummins and 4x4 and unlock the 1st and 2nd make it a HD split 12 speed would be cool for like a power wagon.
The splicer dump truck nice truck low hole 7 speed perfect for high power pick ups
I am Ford guy not a Cummins guy but if I could find a manual transmission or they bring it back I'd buy one. Hell my daily driver is a 93 Ford explorer four door with factory 5 speed stick.
I would love an 8 speed manual, 8 for running empty and not towing! I would also take a 7 speed! Bring back the manual!!! They wouldn't be stolen! Most hoodlums probably can't drive a stick!!! We could save on insurance!😉
Like the Jeep anti-theft device
The biggest problem I see are the dealerships. My local Ford dealer won't sell 7.3 Godzillas so therefore there's less being sold.
Boils down to sales. People didn't buy them when they were available. I have two G56 and love them.
I am with you on this. The 7 speed you showed us would work if it could handle the HO torque. I would also buy the road Ranger. But then again I would also love a 5500 with a 18spd. 😁😁😁. But for your average user the 7 speed and 4:10 gears with a dual disk clutch would be a outstanding setup assuming the HO engine. It would sell but it has to have final drive options and the high output engine. I suppose a man could build one but damn that would be expensive. Be safe.
My 2000 f450 7.3 6 speed makes a few less psi boost from the factory than the autos but nearly the same power numbers. I think it runs just fine down the highway with 1 overdrive in the .7 range with rear gearing of 5.38 I believe. It runs higher rpms of 2500 at 70 but thats a perfect range for when loaded and doesnt get as worse mpg as you'd think
Back then the manual had more gears to have more gear overlap than the 4 speed autos that ended up burning up due to excess heat from the fluid friction slipping into gears(partially caused by tiny fluid coolers). I can accidentally skip from 2nd the 6th and drive it like a 2 speed "unloaded"(it weighs 12,000 lbs empty with an 18 ft bed)
Completely different truck and engine. Cummins has a much better and much wider powerband then those old 7.3 v8's. Cummins wants to be around 2k for good mileage. I have a 97 7.3 with 4.63 and a zf5
The problem is they have to fit the transmission in the truck where in medium duty it’s under the truck plus the automatic use planetary gears so they can make them stronger and smaller where in a manual you have to make the gears big or the teeth smaller to get the ratios and fit you want
I was lucky enough get a 2018 ram 3500 with manual transmission and honestly the only reason I got a ram over Ford or Chevrolet was the manual transmission but don’t get me wrong I’ve not had any issues and wouldn’t trade the truck for 10 new truck with automatic’s
If they release a cummins ho with a modern stick shift.. it would definitely sell... best bet would probably be Eaton.. since they know shift shift and torque levels....
dealers dont want manual trucks, thats the only reason they're not offered. dealers hate sitting on manuals or trying to convince people to buy them.
i just want a truck that doesn't feel like a car inside. i want a 45 degree windshield
They are getting rid of manuals because of emissions requirements. I know, the old argument about them being more efficient but the automakers believe the automatics are more fuel efficient and they don't want the manuals dragging down their numbers. You can blame your government for these regulations.
It would be nice to see that behind the new Cummins 6.7 gas think about that no diesel filters of any kind but still the same kind of torque because they say it's only going to be different from the head gasket up so everything else stays the same below put a stick shift behind that and you can go through a drive-thru without turning the engine off because the drive-thru attendant can't hear you
Put a manual behind the new hydrogen 6.7 360hp 650 lbs of torque just like the old days.
I think a 5-6 speed twin countershaft with a direct/over splitter that you can skip and drive like a standard 6/7 speed and have the extra OD, would be the ticket, ability to split loaded. good dual disk from the factory behind the HO.