Ilya Sutskever: Deep Learning | Lex Fridman Podcast #94
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Ilya Sutskever is the co-founder of OpenAI, is one of the most cited computer scientist in history with over 165,000 citations, and to me, is one of the most brilliant and insightful minds ever in the field of deep learning. There are very few people in this world who I would rather talk to and brainstorm with about deep learning, intelligence, and life than Ilya, on and off the mic.
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:23 - AlexNet paper and the ImageNet moment
8:33 - Cost functions
13:39 - Recurrent neural networks
16:19 - Key ideas that led to success of deep learning
19:57 - What's harder to solve: language or vision?
29:35 - We're massively underestimating deep learning
36:04 - Deep double descent
41:20 - Backpropagation
42:42 - Can neural networks be made to reason?
50:35 - Long-term memory
56:37 - Language models
1:00:35 - GPT-2
1:07:14 - Active learning
1:08:52 - Staged release of AI systems
1:13:41 - How to build AGI?
1:25:00 - Question to AGI
1:32:07 - Meaning of life
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I really enjoyed this conversation with Ilya. Here's the outline:
0:00 - Introduction
2:23 - AlexNet paper and the ImageNet moment
8:33 - Cost functions
13:39 - Recurrent neural networks
16:19 - Key ideas that led to success of deep learning
19:57 - What's harder to solve: language or vision?
29:35 - We're massively underestimating deep learning
36:04 - Deep double descent
41:20 - Backpropagation
42:42 - Can neural networks be made to reason?
50:35 - Long-term memory
56:37 - Language models
1:00:35 - GPT-2
1:07:14 - Active learning
1:08:52 - Staged release of AI systems
1:13:41 - How to build AGI?
1:25:00 - Question to AGI
1:32:07 - Meaning of life
1:32:07 - Meaning of life
The time marks and the definitions and wiki links are really helpful lex thanks i find mind self revisiting podcast to listen to certain subjects this and your clips are very helpful
Im still on level 1: Pandas and Numpy and many things that are you mention are terra incognita but I have to thank you for videos. You truly add value to CZcams
Thanks Lex
I dont mean to be offtopic but does anyone know a trick to get back into an Instagram account?
I somehow forgot my login password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me
Can we have this person again on podcast and discuss further on the recent advancements in field of Ai ?
I will be very excited to watch 👍
Yes, me too.
@@joefish6546 here Ilya is a few days ago: czcams.com/video/Yf1o0TQzry8/video.html&ab_channel=DwarkeshPatel
Your fans would love to have Ilya back Lex!
this podcast went a bit under the radar 2 years ago, but it's so fascinating and a lot of points make more sense today
Given what's happened in the last few days, it would be great to have him back on the podcast
I actually just came here to say this after I saw this on my recommend😭
He might have plenty of time if OpenAI ousts him after backstabbing Sam and then backstabbing the board and pretending he was never a part of it
@@appletree6741 if they oust him you think he will just sit there and play video games? elon will probably take him.
@@appletree6741 About the backstabbing part : Don’t be assured that in the coming Netflix documentary Altman will have the role of the hero & Sutkever the role of the villain. There is still a lot we don’t know … Let’s hope we won’t remember this episode as the point of no return for humankind …
I am a big believer in self-awareness he says. Following that philosophy, he owes us his personal testimony on what has been happening.!
PLEASE, LEX!!!
Bring Ilya back on for an update interview my friend. He's the man of the hour that people really want to know more about. (I do at least)
We want to know WHAT DID HE SEE?
@@lkrnpk Exactly!
please get ilya asap
Lex you gotta invite him again. Ilya is probably the most brilliant mind in computer science / AI and we need to see more of him documented.
Still feel that way after he destroyed OpenAI overnight?
@@FoeverDirt jesus christ calm down. nothing is destroyed
@@FoeverDirtthere are four others boards
Elon Musk is the most brilliant mind in CS (after me of course) and he never even took CS.
@@cytroydlol.
As a veteran AI graduate from the late 90s, who later chose to switch paths, watching this interview was one of the most enlightening experiences I have ever had on discussions related to the subject. Very rare to come across an interviewer who is extremely intelligent, exploring also a most intelligent interviewee's mind with such a thorough set of brilliant and cunning questions that the latter honestly answers without avoiding, and to a degree that provides an almost complete satisfaction for the viewer, leading to a formidable conclusion. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Well said.
👏👏👏
Have you watched the Wolfram interview? Killer stuff dude.
Absolutely 👏
I find it odd why someone would leave AI to begin with - I studied computer science for 3 years and left because the curriculum was boring and I was more interested in quantum encryption (which also wasn't taught, I just ran into it by accident.) AI was never mentioned and I didn't even know what it was until very many years later despite doing a research project with AI (I didn't know the software I was using was AI, I just found it handy.) I actually returned to the field precisely because this time all the cool shit is included in the curriculum.
Please bring Ilya back on the podcast! There has been so many advances and unforeseen things happening, and I wish to hear what this brilliant man has to say about the state of AI/AGI today and in near future.
The calls for Ilya to come back must be resonant now more than ever.
"All concepts are very easy in retrospect" 9:27
Apparently even something as simple as the number zero took quite some while to discover, those things are much harder than people think.
It's like the Feynman quote goes, "Elementary means that very little is required to know ahead of time in order to understand it, except to have an infinite amount of intelligence."
You should bring this guy back, I’d really like to hear his perspective on he left OpenAI and his roadmap for developing a more secure platform
Love the way Ilya responds every answer in such a simple and first principe way .
I can't express how valuable these podcasts are. Listening to two very ,very intelligent humans chat and ask questions that make one another pause and ponder is golden.
Now that he's left openai, you should have him back and see what his thoughts are now and whether they've changed
1:27:34
Lex: And a board can always fire a CEO.
Ilya: Yup 😅
I burst out laughter at this line!
perhaps ominous that they can't .... as more and more spectrum people controlling big tech
Lol
We demand to have Ilya again.
Time for a new interview?
Round 2 please!
Can we have Ilya again on podcast? It would be amazing to hear his perspective now
Lex, please have Ilya back now!
DAll-E 2 is too interesting! Please get Ilya back for another round of interview.
Definetely! Especially since GPT-4 is out now! He already talked about the underestimation of deep learning at 29:35 but I'm curious about what he has to say now!
Lex: "humans continue to impress me"
Ilya: "Is that true?" (Cue apocalyptic robot movie intro music)
lol my favorite part!
timestamp by anychance?
@@WeMakeItRainz 28:06
He dunked on 99.99% of humanity with one simple phrase. If that's Sutskever's view, I am not very optimistic about what a general AI would think about us.
such a shame Ilya Sutskever went on radiosilence after the whole debacle. He is like the most interesting person to listen too, no BS at all, just beautiful thoughts.
What debacle?
Going from Rogan Experience episode to this, is like playing a game on level 1 and skipping all the way to the final boss
Daniel Clancy It’s entirely possible xD
@@ymbhiojtukburtbuyt568 There are some cool episodes but it's definitely much easier to understand because they don't go into technical details. I think end boss was refering to difficulty rather than quality.
This interview would be about half way thru the game. The final boss would definitely be eric Weinstein.
So you are comparing basically Gold with Shit...
@@Need_better_handle or stephen wolfram
Definetily: Ilya II strikes back please Lex. I know maybe is not that easy to get... So, when you can... but you two talking now would be monstrous
Can we have Ilya again? Nice to know about the vision for OpenAI
I love Lex because he captured this interview 3 years before generative AI became a household world and already knew who was behind it. and Of course Ilya and insightful genius.
1:27:36
Lex: "and the board can always fire the CEO"
OpenAI: "and we took that personal"
What amazes me is how Ilya's face remains emotionless and serious any time Lex jokes about things like mortality, conscious AI, etc. He conveys that solving these things is not so much of a joke at this point, but a possibility in the observable future.
This aged well
Ah... Human made horrors beyond my comprehension
@@chrisant1715 Oh wait another 12 months, we've seen nothing yet😅
or... he's a psycopath lmao
Yes, compared with Elon Musk who has a great sense of humor , Ilya is expressionless….robotic computer guy.
Can you ask Ilya back on so he can explain why he fired Sam Altman?
"that's a good question"
Probably the most repeated thing said to Lex by most guests. Really shows the quality of the show! Thank you.
We need round 2 with this genius
Watching this after the announcement of GPT4o and Illya leaving Open AI hits hard.
Us bro us
grieving till now
1:05:45 “there might be some unification towards a kind of multi-task transformers that could take on both language and vision tasks that would be an interesting unification” it is surreal to be living in the future where this exists… what a time to be alive! 😄
Lex, where is Ilya? It's so important for him to be interviewed again, he's vanished with no explanation. Nobody seems to know what he's doing and it's been too long. Please find out, he's got the greatest mind in AI.
Lex’s podcast series needs to be archived and protected at all costs. It is an absolute compendium and distillation of humanity.
It's just talk radio on a web page, buddy
@@BOZ_11 Aren’t you so cynical and cool. Can you name a single talk radio show that would have a two hour long conversation about the genesis and state of the art of neural networks? I’ll wait.
@@therainman7777 cool story bro
Lex will use it when he creates gis own AI..Lex AI
This is 10× smarter than the Sam Altman interview.
Great interview - my only complaint is that it wasn't longer.
1:32:21 Ilya Sustkever at 100% CPU (all cores at 100% and the UI-thread hangs for a second)
(≧▽≦)
ilya inspired me to lock down my brain to achieve accuracy in my thoughts and words.
Looking at this from 2023 makes him sound like a prophet
One of the most underrated episodes this is gold!
Bring back Ilya again.
Hey Lex, with today's big news at OpenAI, it'd be awesome to have another interview with Ilya! I'm really curious to hear his thoughts on the recent leadership change and the new direction at OpenAI🤔
UP
this ^
Hey lex with today’s big news I think would be a great idea to interview the openai board’s gaping asshole
Who is rewatching the interview after they kicked out Sam because of a possible AGI breakthrough?
Ilya would make such a great professor. I like how he explains the deep learning concepts.
That thought popped into my mind a couple of times too, he'd be superb, hope he does one day, he has those genius insights from someone who really worked in the stuff, understood it, and kept digging.
Ilya is a fantastic guest -- another episode would be much appreciated!
Ilya`s meaning of life answer was one of the best so far. Beautiful interview thank you, Lex Fridman.
The quality of interaction in this interview was exceptional. Good questions that are challenging and pique the interest of the interviewee. And Ilya had exceptional answers as well.
With all that has transpired in the world of AI over the last few months (2023) you should have Illy back on the show! Было бы очень очень интересно!
Really great interview. Ilya is so precise in his language, and demands such precision in conversation, it's truly elevating to the listener. Great content for where I'm at in my data science path, very interesting to listen and compare to developments in neural networks in the 4 years since this interview. Quality interview! 👏👏👏
guess it is time for round 2
We want more podcasts with Ilya
Time for round 2.
the question is not "what would you ask an AGI system"
the question is "what can an AGI ask us to make us recognize it as being AGI?"
vannallezzennogwat yes
Thank you for another brilliant guest, Lex! So much yes.
Really interesting to listen to this after GPT4 is out
I would love a Round 2 with Ilya. How can we create an unbiased curriculum for AI? Would it be the language of Math?
I have really enjoyed the diversity of guests on this podcast but I can't say I haven't missed deep learning :). Been waiting for this for ages; ever since I saw Ilya's lecture on this channel, in fact.
Bring back Ilya!
Great interview. Ilya is a 5 star guest. I love his focused response to the questions, he is really dialed in on the issues, and super quick with answers. What Ilya said: When the algorithm can determine the most likely truth. That will be a huge moment in moving forward IMHO.
It would be awesome to have a new podcast with Ilya Sutskever
Lex, we need Ilya back on more than ever...
I like to click like on things that I feel compassion for. That doesn’t always make me laugh, or give me an insight that I sort of separate from the rest. It gives me experience of something that makes sense for me is there. We always go for more, we do not have some final goal we are thrived to reach, the only constant thing is change itself. We are about the change, not the goal.
Want to see Ilya again on this platform
It's about time to have him back to the show Lex
Let’s bring him again to the podcast.
Lex, please invite Ilya again to the podcast!
We need a round 2!
This is wonderful!
Its amazing to hear them about unification 2 years ago. How text and image generation models maybe related. Love it. It will be awesome to have him back and reflect.
What an enlightening conversation with Ilya! His perspective on decision-making, regret, and pride is truly thought-provoking. It's interesting to hear that despite his numerous academic accomplishments and breakthroughs in computer vision and language, he believes that happiness largely comes from our perspective on things.
This is a powerful reminder that our outlook can greatly influence our sense of satisfaction and joy. I also appreciate his humility in acknowledging the uncertainty of these complex topics. The closing quote from Alan Turing about machine learning is a fascinating concept to ponder. Looking forward to the next podcast!
It's so rewarding to see you two talking .
I learned so much from this conversation, thanks Lex!
“And the board can always fire the CEO” 👀
Great interview, thanks Lex for the amazing questions and Ilya for answering them!!
Thank you Lex, it was an amazing podcast. It is rare to see that level of understanding of the subject in the host, so that questions aren't meaningless or general. I feel I have learned a lot from this podcast.
An outstanding interview - thankyou to both interviewer and interviewee. The questions were as thoughtful as their answers. Super rich.
40:30 Lex didn't realize Ilya had just explained double descent to him. I like how Ilya explains it again in simpler terms.
😅
Another conversation with Ilya would be very interesting, given recent events
one of the most brilliant interviews I have ever watched! Thanks for uploading.
Next step in podcasts: Have 2 guests come on . And we see them disagree and agree on various topics and that would be so amazing to watch. I'm sure the guests would enjoy it as well.
Thanks Lex for facilitating & amazing set of questions & Ilya Sutskever for the your talk. Conceivably, I should go through this video once everyday next 3-4 days to get a satisfactory level that I absorb most....
When a genius in his field( computer science) talks with a super genius in his field... this is beautiful!
Time to Interview Ilya again!
You the man, Lex.
Lex,can you please make another conversation with Ilya ? It is needed 😫😫
A fantastic interview especially Ilyah's definition of his happiness (in life).
Another podcast with him pls
This podcast was really good! Interesting questions and Ilya had really insightful answers:)
Lex, it would be great if you could arrange a third round with Ilya Sutskever!
We need Round 2, Lex :)
It's really cool watching you when you're operating fully within your lane.
He is not. Both of them are playing around as this is supposed to be accessible .
I am grateful for your efforts!
Thanks Lex !
Beautiful lecture Lex! Yours is my new favorite podcast.
Not many people can converse this way. I was transfixed and concentrating as hard as I could.
One of the most interesting things to pay attention to is when Ilya says things with absolute certainty and when he says he's not sure or doesn't know. Important high-level decision making for a researcher at his level.
I like how Ilya is not afraid to say "I don't know"
That's straight from Talmud: if you want to learn, first teach your mouth to say "I don't know".
Thank you for this! Currently writing a project on CNNs. What a wonderful timing
Put Ilya on again!
Round 2 is urgently needed