The Best GPU Orientation EXPLAINED!
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- The best GPU orientation is an interesting topic to discuss but GPU orientation tests are also hard to conduct due to case and cooling limitations. That's where the Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo comes in because it allowed us to test FIVE different GPU orientations like vertical vs horizontal and also upright, upright reversed and downdraft. So what's the best GPU orientation anyways?
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0:00 - Going Vertical, Upright and....Reverse!?
0:23 - Why O11D EVO (cuz it's awesome)
2:53 - Classic Horizontal GPU Temperatures
3:43 - Going Vertical (Installation & Tips)
6:17 - Vertical Temps vs Horizontal Temperatures
6:42 - Going Upright is TOUGH
9:36 - Upright Temps are HOT HOT HOT
10:07 - Explaining the O11D Evo Reverse Mode
10:52 - Horizontal vs Vertical vs Upright vs Reverse
11:24 - The Best GPU Orientation is....
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So after trying all the positions, you realize that missionary position is the best!
Its actually the reverse XD the best position
@@kraya6740 🐕
Loser comment.
😂
You're all incels, huh?
Hi Dmitri, problem with the IO towards the top orientation is well known in the SFF community, the problem is that most modern GPU's have issues with heatpipe physics in that orientation, so we try to avoid it. Unfortunately not all case manufacturers are aware of that. Thanks for the awesome testing as usual :)
It's even on a card by card basis. My old Palit 2080 Ti never had any issues being vertical with ports towards the ceiling, but my PNY 4090 does not like that orientation at all, it got much hotter and louder. It seems to be all in the design of the heatsink.
@@kasakka yeah depends on the heatpipe type they use mostly.
The capillary action isnt enough to move liquid back up the pipe to the GPU? Is it that all models have the problem or would cintered heat pipes be able to transport enough liquid? From the overall results it certainly looks like gravity is having a big impact.
@@tomhollins5303 most gpus are affected but not all of them yeah.
@@riba2233 Thanks I'm not building a new machine but I find these details fascinating to understand anyway.
I'm such a big fan of Lian Li's products. It's really cool to see just how many features they provide for making a build easy. My current rig is in a Lancool 216, and it was the easiest build I've ever done.
I have to say, the reverse orientation is great for putting your PC on the left, but seeing the logos upside down like that would drive me nuts!
To fix the sag on the Lian Li vertical GPU mount you have to move the PCIe slot itself forward on the bracket. From factory they come a little too far back which pushes the GPU forwards/down. Sliding it back pulls the GPU towards the back of the case and eliminates the bracket sag.
This by far is one of the best videos ever! you showed all the angles and configs with detailed descriptions making it easier to understand! 5 Stars For You Well Done Sir!!!❤🎉🤓
I just enjoy and love the way you do all the test that I just looking for around the world.
This one was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks Dmitri!
Nice one as always Dimitry!
Perfect timing as always! Was just thinking to change my GPU orientation
I ended up building a Mini-ITX build with the Thermaltake Tower 100 and man do I really love the vertical orientation. It gives me warm feelings inside knowing that regardless of the weight, the GPU isn't having any sort of issue.
Yeah probably going to do my next build with the 500 tower, I love the idea of eliminating GPU sag/stress on the MB
Amazing video and I love that design with where GPU is change to, right now I have my in vertical mode for the GPU
Running a 4090 in vertical orientation with bottom fans too. But I have a larger case (Phanteks Enthoo Primo) and the bottom fans drop the GPU temps significantly - I actually have the fans set to only spin once the GPU fans are spinning too.
AIO rad is top mounted to extract with push pull. Plus 3 fans as front intake and 1 rear extractor.
All fans are 140mm and they only turn on once temps are high enough so the PC is silent when I'm not gaming.
Glad we're trying this stuff now, as a mech engineer it's 20 years i'm waiting for this
I just finished a build in the black version of the Evo. It was a pleasure to build in and the results are absolutely stunning.
I used to be a big proponent of vertically mounted (outputs at the top) GPUs, owning both a Silverstone FT02 and FT05, but that was when GPUs were available with blower coolers. I then got a RTX 2080 Ti with a standard cooler and that's when it went wrong. I mounted the GPU normally in my FT05 and for the first few months it was fine. Then I started to notice high temperatures. These went away when I put the FT05 on its side so the GPU was upright. Gravity wins in the end.
The new Lian Li case where the GPU can be mounted directly to the front of case where the fans normally are so it can suck air in directly will probably be a great cooling option when that case hits the market.
Yea I remember seeing that in the computex, hope he get the case to test out soon.
It's also great for enjoying the coil whine to the fullest!
Are you telling me that it's a good idea to have gpu hot air as a sauna for the rest of the component?
@@anubizz3 Unless you go full air cooling, you'll always have either graphic cards or radiators dumping warm air inside the case.
@@airixxxx that's why I wonder why pc case manufacturers never consider separation chamber between gpu and CPU.
Finally! An understandable video about this topic! Thank god you didn't decide to just use graphics. Great video!
great video you really help me mate
I have this same GPU and Mobo, also in a lianli case. Building in these lianli cases is so easy these days. They've really nailed the layout for maximum customization and convenience.
I now have an upright reverse build and it's unbelievably cool, saw this video pass and just wanted to comment that having to build one (or upgrade in my case) is a real hassle but the trade-off is amazing. You can have three extra fans behind the GPU to even cool the GPU more.
I recommend 30cm extension cables for your cables.
I've got the same case and done almost every possible way to check the GPU thermals. For the vertical GPU and air-cooled cards like the one you tested, you need to have fans on the side of the case as exhaust. Plus, you have to keep the GPU closer to the bottom fans which will force the air to move from the bottom to the top with less turbulence.
For the upright GPU in normal mode, you need to flip the GPU and you must have fans behind it. Moving the card towards the glass will give you a better thermal too. And you need to use the 200mm riser cable with your 600mm one to make it work.
The best thermal that I got for a 30 series Strix card is in a vertical orientation in normal mode. Keeping the bracket at the lowest close to the bottom fans. 10 Fans in total in the case ( Intake from the bottom and the back fans. Exhaust from the sides and the top. )
What would you say to be the best fan configuration for reverse mode with a horizontally mounted GPU in a situation with 10 fans (3 bottom, 3 side, 3 top and 1 rear) also including that 1 set of 3 fans are connected to an AIO (and on a radiator). I am currently leaning towards:
#1
Top: 3 fans intake
Bottom: 3 fans intake
Side: (AIO radiator) 3 fans exhaust
Rear: 1 fan exhaust
In this scenario the cool air wil come from the bottom and the top and will be exhausted on both the side and rear of fhe case and the GPU fans which are facing upwards will pull fresh cool air into the GPU.
Did you also test this/what are youre thoughts on this?
@kajtjuhhh3722 I haven't tried that configuration. Keep in mind the law of physics that cold air fall down and hot air rise up.
The configuration you mentioned might trap some air in the center of the case as there is opposites air colliding on each other on the card level, having positive pressure due to the number of fans and the lack of anything to guide the air will not give you the optimal temperature.
If you have a 3d printer, go upright and design a deflector that guide the air coming out of your gpu to the side fans. This will be the ultimate cooling solution for your gpu. Side will be exhaust. You can use 3x 140mm fans at the bottom to get the optimal air pressure. You can do that without screwing the outer bolts of the outer fans.
@@majd00shka Good point, I was indeed aware of the hot air rising and the cold falling down. I just build a pc for myself and in the near future I am going to build my brother the same pc aswell, but probably in reverse mode (Lian li o11d evo rgb case) because of his setup 'demanding' the pc to be on his left and him still wanting to see inside the pc, rather than the side with a mesh panel. You seem to have a better understanding with configuring fans in a reverse mode case. What would you say would be the most 'optimal' configuration for the fans in reverse mode with an horizontally mounted GPU (leaving the vertical mount options out of the picture)? I have not yet researched enough about building reverse with a horizontally mounted GPU, so I also need to do that aswell, but I am curious about your opinion.
So in this case it is still 10 fans total with positioning possibilites of 3x 3 fans and 1x 1 fan.
I’m confused about what u said about the upright mount. Flip the GPU? Like face the fans towards the back of the case or flip it clockwise to to have the pcie part at the bottom right of the case?
@@Whatthefckkk what I meant was to flip it so the I/O ports will be facing down so the PCIE side will be towards the front of the case. In this way, you only support the GPU with the side fans bracket.
The vertical GPU mount can be screwed into the top (or bottom) of the case with 4 screws and in very solid. Additionally there’s a bracket that comes with the mount to secure the other end of the gpu that’s especially useful when mounting it in reverse mode,
I’m in the process of putting together a reverse build with gpu in an upright, inverted position with a couple of fans mounted behind it to pull the warm gpu air out of the case. I’ll update with the temps when it’s complete.
This is a damn good video
Nice video I appreciate it! I still think the setback here is when you went vertical but with front fans! Basically the fans blow in wind and too fast so that the GPU has problem to suck it in =)
You should have tried to have the fans on the bottom for the vertical mount. I doubt it would be cooler than the stock mode, but at least I think it wouldn't have been worse. Thanks for the video =)
Спасибо за видео! Другу помог собрать в таком же корпусе и на день рождения собирался подарить комплект вентиляторов и такое крепление для видеокарты, теперь крепление брать передумал, спасибо ещё раз!
Love my verical gpu setup on my o11-D Evo!!!
Great video
Pretty sure moving the fans to the front in the upright config had them fighting the fans on the GPU rather than feeding them more air. The front fans might be moving air past the GPU faster than the GPU fans can pull it through the cooler. If you have a shorter GPU, I'd love to see that test with the fans back in the bottom.
It still requires a PCI-E Riser which is another point of failure and is kinda expensive if you need to replace, and it blocks all other PCI-E slots bellow it. I like how Sharkoon did on their REV series of cases in fact I have one of said PC cases. GPU is vertical but still directly attached to the motherboard. Only downside I noticed is you'll probably need at least one or two of your cables to be lengthier.
I had a reversed case and my Asus Rx 580 worked better in there. I upgraded to a Asrock Rx 6700 XT and it did not work well. Swapped to a normal orientation and temperatures matched the reviews I read. Orientation can really throw your results off.
Now water cooled it is no concern, but that solution is not for everyone of course. I really like the looks of these fancy cases. Thank you for reviewing.
what cases would be better to do vertical in? be nice if there was a skinnier flatter case to fit it in nicely
Hi Dimitri, thanks for this interesting video. I like it particurlarly because I would love to be able to have my computer tower on the left of my desk. Do you know if I am able to do the same with the Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic TG Mini ATX? That case is really too big for my liking... Thanks a lot !
Excellent video! I am enjoying the compared temperatures for the different builds.
I would have changed the top intake fans to exhaust in the reverse configuration. Having them as intake with the GPU pointed directly at them would cause turbulence resulting in the cool & warm air mixing. The radiator fans could then be used as intake or you could have tried an air cooler with intake fans in the front of the case.
Love this video I have the same exact card by gigabyte so I was worried about the upper exhauste and how it would affect temps and performance
Upside-down orientation is how it works for the SilverStone Redline 08. Works very well for me. Just strange that most reviewers I found on youtube that reviewed it made the top fans exhaust so they thought it was bad.
Great data! Ill stick to the normal way of mounting my graphics card!
The upright position works better with exhaust fans mounted behind the GPU to pull the hot air. As they exit out the sides and lower back plate
Yeah i am disappointed that this wasnt tested, i have my GPU set up in this way and very happy with the results
Same here. I added 2 140mm fans behind the upright mounted card. Temps even at max power 132% on the Strix4090 hover at 61 average in 3DMark
Just one quick question about the vertical mount: is it dangerous if the riser cable is touching the hot backplate of the GPU? Could it melt the cable?
I have my 3080 ti upright in a Thermaltake View 51 case using the Lian Li mount. I also have 3 x 120mm fans behind it. With the case I do have room for bottom mount fans but I use the spare room for my Transformers figures. On load I think it hits about 60°.
I ran into the Upright position issue when upgrading my GPU in a Silverstone Alta G1M. My Morpheus II modded 1080ti had no issues with the orientation, but the new 6800xt did. It got bad enough that I ended up inverting the entire case (bootleg feet on the top, flipped it upside down, set former intake fan on bottom to exhaust) for a much more effective result.
I would be curious of the numbers with an inverted upright GPU in this specific case, but I also acknowledge the lack of an "official" bracket to do so.
I am not surprised by the result. Thanks for your efforts. I have a question for you. I recently bought an O11 evo black case and a 4090 atm I am waiting for other components to arrive. Case and its uni fans and other extras are pricey. I am not looking forward to investing in horizontal/vertical stuff or a mash panel. Inside of the 4090 box, there is already a GPU support bracket. Since the GPU is kinda heavy, It's probably around 5-6 kg... When I install the GPU support bracket to the bottom I guess I will have a place for only two fans at the bottom right? So... x3 fans already on galahad trinity water cooler, if I buy only 6 extra fans this is going to be enough right? 3 fans to top or front depending on the cooler position this is in the pocket. I am thinking of making one of them exhaust fan to the back, and last two to bottom. Does that sound ok????
The fans completely block off the upright GPU exhaust. Why would anyone do this?
Nice video!
Need a better PCI riser, with round cable I think, for cable routing :D.
this should've probably been mentioned in the video, but: did you test with the side panel on or off? every shot was with it detached, but logically it would have to stay on for a realistic scenario
Upright would look awesome if you swapped the radiator to the front and the cooling fans to the top and added 3 more to the bottom. And set the tower on its side and threw a monitor ontop of the side panel.
vertical gpu mount i feel is only for looks noting else upright i feel is boith estetic and performance. uprigth gpu looks amazing im getting evo xl case soon with upright gpu, thank you for your video now i dont have to waste money on upright config and 130 euro cable :D
Funny timing, I'm in the middle of modding my Silverstone LD01 to be an upright GPU. The last part is on the 3d printer as I type this. Already replaced the front panels glass with metal mesh and modded the front to allow 3 fans a year ago. Though for me upright is about the only decent way I'll be able to cram this 4080 into the case and I like my glass brick.
It depends on the gpu because some of them do better in upright but reversed o11. Lian li even has a list of gpus showing which configuration is best when comparing upright vs upright and reversed.
Link? Please
Just to add some testing confusion, I have my O11EVO in a horizontal position, reversed with a CPU AIO, with extra fans for a push/pull configuration, exhausting from what would have been the top of the case, and intake fans at what would have been the bottom of the case, I also plan to add intake fans at the front since currently there is negative air pressure created between the reverse mount GPU and the CPU's AIO setup.
ngl the upright look cleanest to me and if u able to fit those 3 fan on bottom too or just add decorations it will be really awesome way to showcase your PC
I use the lancool 2 case with the hot-swap panel, and the universal vertical mount, and only 6 120 infinity fans and 2 140 infinitys, gotta say I love the case to death especially with the addons and infinity fans are my favs as well xD
I actually like that vertical orientation, especially for added stability
It didn't look very stable, with nothing but friction holding that spacer in place
It's as you said better stability than horizontal and there is no force on the pcie. For the thermal difference in vertical it's because this case depth is not as the Dynamic XL. I have the O11 XL model and the thermals are great.
@@doorsbh if I could 3d print a mount, it would be over engineered just to be stable. I'm still looking for a vertical mounting bracket for a Meshify S2
I'm super curious about the one from some days ago, where the GPU was getting the air from the back panel of the case, in theory should be amazing cooling, imo
I have a normal case in a regular configuration, but it's on my left side. It's simply just placed with the long end along the wall, very simple, no need to reverse the entire case 😁 I guess with the power supply on the back you can't do that with this case, but works for normal ones.
honestly the upright positioed card would prob benefit if u could have fans at the bottom still, considering we already saw the fans direct next to it make the temps worse (assumingly due to airflow being to turbulent for efficient cooling?) still interesting to see all the options ^^
Yeah I wanted to see this as well... And also how each orientation affects the CPU temps
The front fans are probably blowing the air away from the GPU, starving it of fresh cool air. Would've been better to try no Fans in the front and instead on the bottom (although it didn't seem you could fit three there with that extra long GPU).
There were a number of mistakes in this video. He should've reversed the side bracket to allow for more cabling room and airflow, he didn't install fans behind the GPU, and his model of card isn't even considered compatible by Lian Li with the upright bracket he's using. They released an updated one, but for this card it requires this case to be in Reverse mode, and then it won't interfere with bottom fan installation.
nah that position failed bc of how gpu exhaust hot air. the fans intake air and blow it out the SIDES of the card. the sides are 100% blocked in that orientation
When upright, did you put fans behind the gpu to pull the air out?
I was told you needed to put fans behind the gpu when doing an upright build
what if you mounted the gpu backwards with the upright bracket so the fans are facing the intake? also i wonder if you can mount exhaust fans for the gpu just to get the hot air outa there
Did you put fans on the back of the upright gpu bracket?
My first build I went vertical. I came to realize in my particular setup, it was running 5 degrees hotter than "regular". The more I've gotten into pcs, the more my mindset has changed from form over function to function over form.
temps improve if disable bottom fans at vertical orientation because stops pusing the gpu warm exhaust air back to the intake fans on the gpu.
It looks beautiful. I want to be able to do this, but I am running an air-cooled PC. I'd have to convert to an AIO. I have a pretty large PC case, but there's not enough clearance between the Noctua NH-U12S.
My EVO is in inverted mode with my ASUS Strix 3090 upright next to the motherboard. It's actually easy to access the DP or HDMI port on the graphics card from the bottom by just quickly disconnecting the bottom panel to gain access to the ports. I figured this out AFTER struggling to plug in the DP cable lol.
I’m thinking of purchasing this case and what are the temperatures if you do the Vertical mount but in Reverse mode? Can that be done?
That black plug :D
Hardware cuckolds, my favorite youtube channel!
Why didnt you test the upright with intake fans on bottom? Were power cables really impossible to work around? I would expect unrestricted chimney airflow to help temps a lot.
So going classic will a 4090 need supporting? Looks a little hard with the fans in the bottom. I cant decide between this case and Hyte Y70
Can you test a upright PC case compared to the classic PC case setup in cooling?(Example of upright, "Xbox series x") I almost considered building a PC in a case setup just like it and wondered if it would cause other components to heat up more than just GPU.
It's funny considering some ITX cases use the vertical mounting with great success. It looks really nice like that. Airflow shouldn't be too bad.
Likely the upright position doesn't work well with the heatpipe design of that Aero GPU or upright is to show off a GPU waterblock for a custom loop where cooling is less of a concern.
Is it possible to keep the case like normal and just flip the gpu so intake is at the top and that way you set your bottom fans to exhaust. Wonder if that would help with front fans set to intake 🤔
I'm using a Silverstone fortress FT05, with airflow going upward, all classical component orientation otherwise, but also completely water cooled
What if you put fans on the side of the case as exhaust that would draw air towards the GPU in the upright position? Is there room behind the GPU to fit 25mm fans or maybe 15mm?
the upright position blocks most of the video cards exhaust fins, which is why it sucks. while the vertical mode has one side of the vga's exhaust fins blowing against the bottom intake fans, which causes some of the exhaust air to re-enter the vga's intake.
horizontal offers the best performance because the intake fans blow straight into the vga fans and they also help blow the exhaust air from the vga up towards the exhaust fans at the top of the case,
i fitted a seperator for my horizontal vga to help prevent the exhaust air re-entering the vga's intake, kind of like having seperate intake and exhaust compartments
This is great for standard air flow on the case, but now run the CPU and GPU in a custom loop and see which orientation is better.
My upright 4080 FE works amazing in my SSUP meshlicous, never goes past 65C even with intensive titles due to all of the airflow the case has and the two 140mm intakes
vertical Palit RGB monster 4070ti in the SPUUD, loves it sub 70c all the time, 30% fan is the most I've seen it go.
Great video but would have been nice to see this tested with 3 extra fans and showing cpu temps as well.
what CPU cooler is that? Looks so beautiful
i'll wait til they perfect the upright gpu. Feels like its for aesthetic purposes right now but seen some upcoming cases that might actually improve thermal temps.
Another issue with horizontal orientation is that, due to common fin orientation on the coolers, the air is typically pushed toward the side of the case or the motherboard. Most of the air pushed toward the mobo has very little direction to go but down, which causes a bit of a heat loop. Love the ability to mount in different orientations like this in mainstream cases. LONG overdue.
It makes sense that the "upright" orientation is so hot. One side of the card is entirely blocked by the front of the case and the graphic card's fans are competing with the front fans (i.e. trying to pull air in as the air is simultaneously being pushed across/away).
That's why we need separate chamber in the bottom for gpu I think Dell case have this before but they put the gpu on top... Lian li can just put in the bottom so it can get fresh air from 3 vertical fans on the left side and exhaust in the right side..
Interesting. I have mine in the upright position and temps are great.. but im using the ssupd meshlicious with all mesh panels.
vert no fans looks the best. thanks for this
How about gpu sagging in reverse layout? Its good if we want have cpu on left side and also temperature is a little bit lower. But the problem if the reverse layout take any effect for big gpu in long time
Maybe they will design cards around certain mounting positions now since there are so many options now. Perhaps a higher end card most likely
Nice test but maybe it depend on the case too no?! We be interesting to retry these test with the new Thermaltake Case CTE 750
8:07 Do not EVER do that with a 12 VHPWR connector, get a 90 degree adapter or a more flexible cable instead if you don't want your power connector melting off. (its okay for the purposes of the video since he will probably not be keeping it that way)
Idk how many people are going to tell you this (so sorry if I'm the 27th one) but when mounting vertically, instead of turning the bottom fans off, rotate them to expel the air out of the case (you probably knew this and didn't want to do it since is tedious but since it wasn't mentioned I leave it here for anyone mounting the GPU vertically).
i think the upright has great perf benefits, if you also use the gpu fans ( showed in the vid they're not spinning ) , also in the reverse position you should recommend to mount the aio pumps correctly because of trapped air concerns
The fans arn't turning when the gpu isn't under load, most high end gpu do that when idling
@@Natsukashii1111 but i think it shouldn't reach that kind of temp, probably should be ~30 C
* it should spin if it reaches 60 C or more
@@kingofstrike1234 the temp that they where showing where not the one the pc we could view was at the time
Yes they fucked up, they shouldn't put B roll of a random pc with different data on screen
I think you're missing the link in description for the Corsair Xeneon Flex
So I have a thermal take core P8 which comes with a vertical mount tray and PCIe riser cable.
So obviously I installed my GPU vertically.
I should note that my GPU is a 3080ti, aka a heat monster.
After about a month I start getting visual problems on my monitor as in my monitor was blocking out.
Last time I saw a blackout so thoroughly it involved tequila and some really bad choices.
Turns out that the heat from my GPU had actually fried the ribbing of cables in the PCIe rider cable.
Fortunately, the case being modular, I was able to essentially disassemble the vertical mounting cage, turn the slots 90° and mount my GPU correctly apparently into the motherboard.
Seems I may have inadvertently saved myself some trouble in the future when upgrading to a bigger GPU
Always wondered.
upright does looks aesthetically pleasing ngl
Yeah, there's even a lot of room for any kind of decoration like figures as well
GPUs standing fully erect 👌🏻
Igl = I'm gonna lie
Will you guys review logitech G pro x 2 lightspeed ?
Now a reverse vertical would be wild.
I'm burnt out on all these fish tank cases.
What are the results like without bottom mounted fans? I don't think most people are adding those on.
Hi, thanks for the video. I want to bring you back about my experiences with my current case, a Fortress FT05 with several boards. Then the orientation of the heatpipes is the key to everything, ie in cards where they are positioned vertically (type RX 480 Nitro) the card works correctly if rotated 90 °, while in others where the heatpipes are positioned horizontally (like your RTX 4080 in the video) the temperatures jump to them, in fact if you go to analyze the hotspot temperatures you will see huge differences and in some cases even at the limit of operation. With an RX 5700XT Aorus I had this problem, with the gpu at 80 ° c and the hotspot at 110 ° in continuous throttling, same thing with my RX 6900XT Reference, turned 90 ° the vapor-chamber does not work properly, which solved by rotating the case 90 °, with the configuration reversed as in your last test. Rotating the vga 90° made sense when there were references with the blower, now they are useless and counterproductive. Sorry for the long speech and for my bad English. Greetings from Italy .
RTX 4080 MSI are recomended by Lian Li, but it looks that the heatpipes are postioned horizontally too. So, this is confusing.
What about the GPU at the front where u put the mesh panel?