Why Society is Sick | Nietzsche and Dostoevsky
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OUR ANALYSES:
▶ Beyond Good and Evil: • NIETZSCHE Explained: B...
▶ The Antichrist: • NIETZSCHE Explained: T...
▶ Genealogy of Morals: • NIETZSCHE Explained: T...
▶ Twilight of the Idols: • NIETZSCHE Explained: T...
▶ The Will to Power: • NIETZSCHE: Will to Pow...
▶ Daybreak: • NIETZSCHE Explained: D...
▶ The Joyful Science: • NIETZSCHE Explained: T...
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
03:09 Décadence
05:23 The slave revolt in morals
08:57 The auto-domestication of man
11:16 The birth of décadence
12:17 The criminal
17:19 Dostoevsky's House of the Dead
19:26 The exceptions
It's a short passage in Twilight of the Ideals where Nietzsche deals with the criminal and his psychological valuation of him. But in order to fully comprehend Nietzsche unorthodox sociology and psychology of the criminal, we need to take deep dive through his entire philosophy, and visit The Genealogy of Morals as well as The Antichrist.
Décadence and the morality of custom take center stage as Nietzsche sketches a sociology where society domesticates man. It suppresses our violent instincts so that society can run smoothly. Better to be cooperative, well-spoken, polite, than an aggressive, violent brute.
But the suppression of these animalistic drives in man comes at a cost: it fosters a disease which Nietzsche dubbed décadence, and all of society, through the long march of history from the paleolithic, through Christianity, to now, has become sick with it.
Only some individuals retain a bit of their primal strength. Not fully internalized, not fully externalized. That is the criminal: the strong man made sick.
Nietzsche puts traditional sociology on its head: rather than the criminal being the odd one out, being the exception, Nietzsche says society is the exception, society is the sick one, the criminal the healthy one. Only that he has become sick because his environment is sick.
The criminal who loses the fight against society, succumbs to it, and internalizes his aggression and develops a bad conscience. But some individuals are so strong that they aren't changed by society -- they change society.
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I thought Nietzsche had no respect for Christianity yet he praises a devoted Christian like Dostoevsky. Nietzsche is full of contradictions. He's as dogmatic as all the other philosophers' dogmas he often mocks.
Society is so sick. It’s abusive and evil how weak society is making people. And it’s as if it’s by design. There’s a quote from No Country For Old Men that sums my feelings for civilized society and conventional morality: “If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?” It breaks my heart how far the human race has descended.
Agree with you & it's getting worst it's like as a whole the society is devolving !! Not evolving .🙏💖🙏
And let me guess. YOU are not one of the descented ones. YOU are different and above "all the other common, weak people", right?
@@Bromoteknada Nope, I’m the same as everyone else. If I wasn’t, I imagine scrolling through CZcams videos wouldn’t be among my hobbies 🤣
I just think that all the “progress” that humanity has made over the past 500 years might not have been good for people. It puts people into environments that aren’t really compatible with their psychology.
Well, move to Alaska & hunt for grizzly bears bare-chested.
Sounds woke to me.
Ascent and Descent are value judgements. What are your criteria? High tide and low tide are not necessarily better or worse than ebb and flow.
I read Nietzsches Genealogy and Beyond Good and Evil like two months ago. They screwed with my head so hard but they make so much sense, its insane
These two are the hardest texts I have ever read personally. But man, what treasures lie hidden behind those cryptic words! What sense did you make of the second essay of the Genealogy of Morals?
Now you must read Dostoyevsky, the Illiad and the Bible.
Dostoevsky’s “Raskolnikov” was precisely this individual who was “Beyond Good and Evil.” Didn’t end so well.
@@1214goonerA coward dies a thousand deaths a real man dies but once.
Will listen to this later when im off work.
Enjoy
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It’s interesting that Nietzsche draws upon Dostoevsky for inspiration of the criminal. Because my next question would be: how does the Strong avoid becoming the Criminal? Or reform themselves once they do? Because that’s basically the theme in Crime and Punishment and Dostevesky’s prescription is to embrace Christian humility, the opposite of what you’d expect if reading it from a Nietzchean lens.
Yea I heard that Nietzsche and Dostoevsky write in parallel, maybe this is one of the points they don’t meet?
Dostoevsky was a psychologist? I think there’s some meaning behind Nietzsche’s nomenclature.
@@jrod1895 I wonder who we go with on this question then. Dostoevsky seems to at least have some prescription to resolve this problem.
@jrod1895 It comes across to me like Nietzsche defines psychologist as someone who *knows the human psyche rather than someone who studies the mind or practices some kind of therapeutic methods. To him, Dostoevsky demonstrates he knows the human mind better than anyone, and that can only come from observation, experience, reflection on those things, and reason. So that's enough to be able to define him as a psychologist.
Wow, I just got goosebumps. Nietzsche truly was a genius. He wrote 150 years ago but his ideas feel more relevant today than most contemporary thinkers. Thank you weltgeist for this exceptional video
I just checked this book out from the local library, about an hour ago: Four Prophets of Our Destiny - Kierkegaard, Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, & Kafka, by William Hubben, 1952.. havent even opened it yet.
"All forms of violence are a quest for identity. When you live out in the frontier you behave no identity, therfore you get very tough. You have to prove that you are somebody, and so you become very violent. And so, identity is always accompanied by violence. This, ah, seems paradoxical to you?
Ordinary people find the need for violence as they loose their identities. So it is only the threat to people's identity that make them violent... they are determined to make it somehow; to get coverage; to get noticed."
[Violence As Quest For Identity, Marshall McLuhan, TVO, Canada, 1977]
"By the way, one of the big marks of the loss of identity is nostalgia. And so revivals on all hands in every phase of life today. Revivals of clothing, of dances, of music, of shows, of everything. We live by the revival. It tells us who we are- or were."
[Marshall McLuhan, 1977, TVO, Canada]
Sometimes I ask myself what these great European philosophers would say if they had the chance to see the state of Europe today. And especially Nietzsche, what would he say about the neutered German nation?
What they did to Germany during the war was a crime !! Germany was at it heights in all areas !! 🙏🌌🙏
This video is great. Thanks for making it. It is wonderful to see such a complex argument made concise is such a nice way. The imagery you chose also gets a thumbs up.
Thanks for the kind words
@@WeltgeistYT Except for the imagery from long after Nietzsche's time. Not that decadence and nihilism aren't potent factors to this very day, but I think it would be more accurate to only use imagery from the period in which Nietzsche's perspective was formed. I read his works many years ago in my youth, and it would be more relevant to show examples of decadence and nihilism from the latter half of the 19th century. This is not to say that he wasn't prescient (in some ways) about the future, as Spengler was in some ways (his Decline if the West) at least when it comes to decadence and nihilism. In studying any speculative philosopher (admittedly, Nietzsche didn't consider himself to be a philosopher) of the past (before the discoveries of 21st century Paleo-Anthropology, Evolutionary Biology, Genetics, and Neuroscience) I forgive them for their erroneous postulations, and appreciate their enduring insights.
It was not unusual in old times for warlords to recruit very competent fighters from prisons and jails. These men will fight for a strong leader but will rebel against weak politicians. That's why they're in prison. Also sometimes they're just plain criminals and creeps. It can be hard to tell the difference.
One of your best videos, keep it up!
Thank you for your videos! Excellent presentations on German thinkers I have enjoyed reading, particularly Schopenhauer (though I also like your Nietzsche presentations). Looking forward to watching this on my next break from work :)
Decisive work. Please continue doing us the favor of posting your videos.
Thanks for the kind words
Weltgeist has such an epic voice for philosophy! Thank you for giving my life so many enjoyable hours of great youtube learning!
Very interesting and insightful discussion.
You make great videos, I have been one of your keen viewers
And i hope your channel get bigger
Your videos are of very high quality, keep doing them!
Thank you!
great work and such a nicer narrating style!
Thanks! Really needed this video today! ... though what that says about me I am not yet sure
What is a criminal but a soul with no impulse control or integrity, or a sense of right and wrong. The only thing strong about a criminal is that concerning worldly matters.
Reading Genealogy of Morals after reading Crime and Punishment where Raskolnikov thought that of himself is crazy thing to think about.
You do a great job of analyzing Nietzche's writing. I read Thus Spake Zarathustra and was going to read Ecce Homo next, but I think I'll read The Antichrist instead.
It's insane the amount of tolerance society expects of men to just deal with all the bad, filth, corruption, and degeneracy of modern times. It can't be healthy constantly suppressing what you know needs to be done to make a better world.
Jesus is the answer my friend. Without him, conformity or nihilism is the only option for the masses.
Few people rule this world. The more power they get through technology, the harder it is for them to be toppled. And those have toppled them in the past end up just replacing them and doing the same thing. The same AntiChrist spirit prevails. Power corrupts.
The beast system will be put in place book of Revelation will come to life soon.
bla bla bla. too optimistic. just do like me in improving the word: VASECTOMY
Sounds like the opening paragraph of an incels manifesto
88? Pretty suspect 😐
@@user-ib9ky2jo9h genuinely curious; what made you think that?
Thanks, that was engaging all the way through. Concise may be why :)
I really enjoyed this video! A lot of food for thought.
Thank you!
Been studying nietzche since I was 13 glad to see more people analyze his work
This was awesome.
The prisoners in the Siberian camps were mostly political prisoners, not criminals..big difference..
What an amazing analysis. Having not read either philosopher/author, this video made understanding major parts of their concepts comparable as well as comprehensible. This video made it extremely easy to understand the implications of decadence as well as the consequence of a fully decadent society in the births of the criminal or artistic/philosophical outcast. It seems to be true to many cases that all geniuses and outcasts have tendencies to stray away from decadence. That does see rare in the current society where people have become herds of sheep more than ever. Where decadence has been taken to its extreme. Great video!
Thank you Eric!
The irony of Nietzsche's morality is that it is an expression of his own resentment: Where in the first instance it was the slaves who were oppressed by the masters, with the ascendancy of Christianity, it is the self-styled "free spirits" who are enslaved and ostracized -- although Nietzsche would not have been self conscious enough to have put it this way. (The closest he came was in the deep irony expressed in _Ecce Homo.)_
Nietzsche would always have asserted that the free spirit rises above his situation by definition, but notice how neatly this mirrors the moral ploy of the decadents who look down on the slave masters from their moral and metaphysical vantage points.
The masters have become weak slaves and the slaves have become powerful masters. The snake bites it's own tail and it is no longer possible to distinguish one from the other. But one thing is surely right: it is all a game of one--upmanship. All will to power. Even Peterson's denial that life is founded on force-relation is a bid for power. The power of the neurotic temperament. (I don't meam psychopathology but rather high in trait neuroticism.)
In the end, Nietzsche is exactly whom he criticizes. His morality, for all it's keen observations and innovations, is, in the final analysis, the frenzied dialogue of a man's soul with itself.
free spirit of the lgbt for an open society..
cosmopolitanism*
That’s right, but it doesn’t invalidate his views though, I always thought one should approach Nietzsche from a psychological perspective
Fascinating stuff. It seems to me that Nietzsche viewed "civilization", in general, as somewhat irredeemable. In the shadow of that, it would make sense that individuals seeking to exist or draw "outside those lines" would be looked upon more favorably that perhaps they should be. Even within the "criminal element", there exist "strata", and I profess ignorance if those different strata were "teased out" in Nietzsche's writings. I think it rather reckless to lionize with a broad brush individuals that society has labeled as criminals, as many times those criminals have absolutely nothing to offer, they are strictly agents of chaos.
Look at the society that we are currently witnessing !! He was spot on , One of the greatest minds in history. 🙏💗🙏
@@lenakrupinski6303 Yes. It's amazing how he foresaw it all so long ago. I don't think he would be all that surprised at our demise.
Man this guy is Brilliant in his explanation I have to admit
Wonderful. Happy to have found this channel. I definitely have mostly always felt like an outcast. That whole “a prophet is not recognized in his own hometown” thing. Radical thinker and change maker who doesn’t value the societal structure. I would have to replace “criminal” with another word I feel suits others like myself… Rebel. I have put a lot of distance between myself and it. Ready to take it a step further.
Rebel, or, free thinker...
Love it. Thanks
Thank you too!
As always, excellent content
Decadence is the state a being enters when the direct struggle for survival has been removed from it's life; it instead seeks and maintains a lifestyle of pleasure and comfort, states of existence meant to be fleeting instead of consistent.
This is an excellent video, to me.
Thank you
Another great video, I would really enjoy a video about Nietzsche views on women,many call him a misogynistic but it is much more nuance than that
Excellent
I so appreciate your clear expository style. I’d love to hear you on Weber, German sociologist, who picked up the metaphor of modern man, the animal, in the iron cage of the bureaucracy. I’m very glad to understand the origins in philosophy of a major swatch of contemporary thought. I must say that I end by agreeing with Bertrand Russell on Nietzche. It was Nietzche who is sick, not society. Putting Napoleon in the same ‘great man’ category as a science whose work improved the lives of millions is faulty reasoning at best. The sources and solutions of social maladies are not found here. Still, understanding the work is critical. Take on Existentialism next.
Great video, and off topic, and I know it’s a famous work, but the last painting, the man overlooking the misty valley, what is its name?
Superb video. While reading this I really see how Nietzsche could have inspired Berserk, because it reminded me a lot of Guts, the protagonist. In any other story he would be portrayed as the villain or a criminal.
Haven't actually read Berserk but people in the comments mention it all the time. I should give it a shot.
In a sick society, it is the healthy who are the exceptions, the "criminals". "Those who think differently go willing into the madhouse."
There's so many parallels to this idea in the "pale criminal" passage in Thus spoke Zarathustra:
"But thought is one thing, and deed another, and the image of a deed yet another. The wheel of motive does not roll between them.
An image made this pale human pale. He was equal to his deed when he committed it, but he could not bear its image once he had done it.
From then on he always saw himself as the doer of one deed. I call this madness: *the exception* reversed itself to the essence."
In this passage Zarathustra sees lost potential in the "pale criminal."
When he commited the deed, the criminal's intense energy and desire, his soul's "thirst for blood," were incidentally stronger than the chains of morality which held him.
However, when he was caught, his will to lash out against a sick society was overwhelmed, causing him to see himself as sick instead. This caused him to grow "pale" with doubt and self-contempt as a result.
This is a represents a reversion to the moral framework of a sick society.
"Thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er by the pale cast of thought." -Hamlet
But Zarathustra offers a proscription as an antidote to moral sickness:
“Enemy” you should say, but not “villain”;
“sick man” you should say, but not “scoundrel”;
“fool” you should say, but not “sinner.”
Thoreau wrote:
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison.
And that is the real reason he's being locked away.
He is a just man...
An insane person knows they are sane and the rest of the world is crazy, and that is why it should be feared.
A truly sane person knows they are crazy and the rest of the world is sane, and that is why it should be feared.
So, throughout life, our worst weaknesses and meannesses are usually committed for the sake of the people whom we most despise.
-Charles Dickens,
Great Expectations
Neoliberal-NeoCons "elite" villains are $lave owners by another name.
~ Mark Twain
The offspring of riches:
Pride, vanity, ostentation, arrogance, tyranny.
-Mark Twain, a Biography
If you don’t [watch critically and objectively] Demagoguery Now! you’re uninformed.
If you watch Demagoguery Now hypnotically, like an addict idol worshipper, awaiting a morning fixx,
you’re misinformed.
~ Mark Twain, US humorist and anti-imperialist.
Seen Twain'$ Red, Black, & Bones Man Flag?
Bleeding edge,
of his day...
Jefferson, Dickens & Tolstoy, et al,
edited their version of Christ & The Gospels.
With
AND
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A play on Broadway, too, about these 3 "amigos".
Man I would literally kill for more dostoyevsky content...
Very good video nice
Criminals are not separated from society because of their greatness or power, but because they are a threat to such things. Their acts are not done from a place of strength, but from weakness. A rapist cannot control his lust. A murderer cannot control his envy or rage. A fraud cannot control his greed. A criminal, as such, lacks self control. He has not tempered his emotions and therefore has not overcome himself. He is a slave to his superficial desire for short term gratification. He has not leaned to use the instinct of the intellect and as a result cannot cooperate with his will to its fullest potential. There can be no fulfillment of a man's will to power without the ability to integrate its characteristics.
Nietzsche said he preferred to read Dostoevsky in French since, according to him, the German translations were terrible
I recently got the English version of the brothers Karamazov, I hope it's better than the German one
Yes but those had issues too. See our video titled “Why Nietzsche Loved Dostoevsky”
I wonder what Nietzsche's opinion would be about the outbreak of World War 1, whether he saw as the cumulation and cinder of European nihilism which was fueled by rapid advancement in science, technology and rationalisation of society. The accelerated functionalisation of the indivual whose primal instincts are restricted to a maximum would force him to commit damage to themselves and others since there is no other option to channel this energy. What would happen to a mass society with such methods of rationalization?
Anyway great video as always. I am excited for more Nietzsche content!
I think he would indeed have seen Europe's self destruction in WWI as the culmination of nihilism.
Following the death of God, the "decadent nihilists" find a "New Idol" to worship, i.e. the State. To the will of this new idol, they surrender the power of their own wills ( _Willenskräfte_ ). To the life of the state, is their own life force absorbed.
In this fashion, the nations accumulate more and more power, becoming monsterous conglomerations of force which feed on humanity.
Nationalism is the ultimate culmination of herd morality. It represents the nihilistic destruction of the individual for the maintenance of an imaginary "national community." Hence the old idol "God" was replaced with the new idol "The State." The myth of the nation was nihilistic copium, the opiate of the masses.
It’s an hypothesis but if WW1 happened because of that we should be on the brink of collapse today.
Weltgeist this video is exceptionally good!! There is just pure truth in the video, i'll definitely watch this again🫀
What do you mean exactly, when you say that someone is a "psychologist"? Does it mean that "the psychologist" knows the conscious and subconscious motivations for peoples actions, thoughts and behaviors? And how exactly does one verify that "the psychologist's" psychological rules/laws/generalizations are true for all the people in all the places, or even for a single person for that matter?
In Nietzsche's case, a psychologist is someone who has a profound insight into how humans work, what drives them, why they do what they do.
@@WeltgeistYTYup, but how does one know if these insights are true or how probable are they to be true? Or verify their accuracy? And do these insights change with people, culture, place or time?
@@saimbhat6243 your question is very interesting and good because how can we verify the accuracy of our insights if there is no objective standard through which we can measure the world, an absolute truth?
if you want to make sense of your observations, you have to presuppose a uniformity of law and nature. but to prove the uniformity of nature, you have to use your mind to make sensory observations. see the loop here?
you are working on a personal system that confirms logical correspondence between your mind-syntax (cognition) and the input/output(data, insights) and truth (...)
this CAN get you straight into creationism and the construction of a unifying mind-reality grammar by A BENEVOLENT CREATOR.
you may consider that the evolutionary point of view is confusing at best, as it presupposes that all of these highly complex structures arose from infinitely small probabilities (everything needs to be fine tuned perfectly for ANYTHING to work, the finely tuned properties of the carbon atom, the weak interactions and strong forces and electrical fields, the probability for everything to be just perfect is so small that it forced scientists to construct a multiverse theory to increase these probabilities), which never managed to explain how genes and their regulatory networks are so complex and beautiful and it never managed to explain how we acquired complex grammar in our language without a preexisting system.
in other words, there needs to be an objective truth in the first place, part of which is our cognition, in other words "we are made in an image", and so is our cognition.
how do you find out what the truth is?
your physical body has a feedback system for that. a ringing bell in the middle of your upper body, a burning flame in your chest, a strong, steady and calm voice, psychological independence. physiognomy. physical health.
same with your dreams. dreams have a compensatory function, meaning that there is calibration. a compass. what is the compass? each time you unravel more and more about yourself, you become more calm, more creative, more curious, more courageous, more compassionate and clearer in your thinking. life turns into a beautiful fever dream.
cg jung for example understood early that a human being comes with a biological operating system, a truth to him, his personal truth, his potential, his true purpose, and an intuition towards certain things in a certain way. his dreams want to show him something, his depression paralyzes him so that he listens to eternally repressed voices, his conscience guides him in subtle ways and makes him think if he listens, his ancestry has a beginning, history and a teleology.
stay curious, and keep journalling.
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Its interesting that nietzsche considers the slave morality "weak" when he himself admits that ascetic ideals are an expression of the will to power, although a decadent one.
The thing is, he considers us to be this multiplicity of competing drives that ultimately find expression in the order of their strength. Decadent individuals can then have great strong wills, is just that their drives are decadent ones, so they are weak. He respects the strength of a lot of ascetic individuals, stoics and the like, though always being clear that they never "mastered" they nature, is just that their wills to nothingness were higher in them, so thats what won the internal battle. In that case woudnt that be the same for criminals? Their drives for violence are higher, but that doesnt mean they have stronger wills overall, their drives are just different.
they way ascetic ideals came to be created was indeed caused by a person, a decadent person's will to power, but they themselves oppose such will, by numbing down the natural instinct, going against what is natural.
Nietzsche does not consider slave morality as ''weak'', he meant that slave morality was BORN out of weakness, It is a will to power born out of weakness and ressentiment, thus poisonous to life.
@@KanadeTenshi ok, that makes more sense. I still dont see how a criminal is somehow stronger. He might probably be projecting his own need for strength in his life
@@luciocastro1418 ''He respects the strength of a lot of ascetic individuals, stoics and the like'' I don't get this, when did N say this? and can you explain further about your question about the ciriminals?
@@KanadeTenshi "Epictetus was a slave: his ideal man is without any particular rank, and may exist in any grade of society, but above all he is to be sought in the midst of a general state of servitude, a man who defends himself alone against the outer world, and is constantly living in a state of the highest fortitude. He is distinguished from the Christian especially, because the latter lives in hope in the promise of “unspeakable glory” , permits presents to be made to him, and expects and accepts the best things from divine love and grace, and not from himself.
Epictetus, on the other hand, neither hopes nor allows his best treasure to be given him - he possesses it already, holds it bravely in his hand, and defies the world to take it away from him. Christianity was devised for another class of ancient slaves, for those who had a weak will and weak reason - that is to say, for the majority of slaves. " Daybreak
You should do a video about stirner's ideas. That would be awesome
Definitely
Hello @WeltgeistYT which are the best English (translations) books of Nietzsche? I would like to buy them so i could compare them with the ones I have in the Greek language.
I prefer Hollingdale or even the old ones on Gutenberg
Massive resentment throughout society now due to repression of aggression. Most men become impotent
PLEASEEEEEE DO A VIDEO ON THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA I NEED A FULL ANALYSIS
Nietzsche: Our truth is the lie we need to survive.
Yes, dear Weltgeist! How true, especially on CZcams...
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Find my email in the About tab on the channel
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The question I have is what they antidote to this malaise humans live under . Humans are they only animal that rejects his own natural instincts. Humans are disconnected from themselves and then as a extention disconnected from nature.
Can someone suggest the order in which I should read Nietzsche's works?
I would start with Beyond Good an Evil. Then Genealogy of morals, then return to beyond good and evil. If you read these well then you can move onto pretty much any of the others, although perhaps leave Thus Spoke Zarathustra for a bit later.
I recently finished Crime and Punishment. It's an amazing book.
About a week later I had this crazy dream. I was back in my hometown and hanging with my two friends I always hung out with and we had murdered someone. We hid but we could tell everyone, in the whole world, was looking for who did it and that we could not hide for long.
I woke up relieved I was not a murderer.
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Modern societial standards and control are relatively more multilayered and sophisticated than the past. But for those who have the power to do something significant or willing it be seen as layers of systems to exploit. For a stoic or buddhist types nothing will be seen within our control or makes sense to take control off. 🤔 is our way of thinking shaped by our insignificant uneventful lives, lucky opportunities, careful planning and dedication?
I dunno. I feel fine and optimistic, full of purpose and drive, full of awe and wonder at the beauty of life and the world around me. Can't understand why others don't feel likewise.
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I wonder if Nietzsche read crime and punishment cause it seems to be almost a responde to the concept of the criminal that "creates his own values". But on another hand Nietzsche could also intepret it as the strong type corrupted into being a guilty criminal and a kind of castration instead of the standart "nobody gets away with some acts" that most people get out of the novel.
Consider [in part] : stillness, silence, meditation &\ or prayer, & THOUGHTLESSNESS. + avoid the vast majority of people/NPC's/droids...
Know who you are, know thyself......
A Nietzschean can easily be or become a criminal
2:48 maths and other hard subjects 😅
Well I'm glad I don't have to worry about tigers lurking around while I am sleeping. But I do get that urban life is disconnecting us from nature and our inner selves. Which is causing a lot of mental illness. That being said, the modern world isn't all tame. It's not removed from the dangers or serious challenges that require individual ingenuity. Far from it. It all depends from who's perspective you are speaking. For instance, poor people living in urban slums face danger and tremendous risks everyday. Most of the world lives in these conditions today and it's certainly not for the weak. Morals and rules are a conviniences that often take a back seat, to basic and brutal survival. 22:22
One good real life example of a uberman in more modern day times is the man behind the killdozer. But ultimately led to him offing himself, wich was planned by him locking himself in his own tank with a welder. He was a criminal that caused mass destruction but seemed to clearly not be out for bloodshed. A primal nature of him clearly kicked in to where he had nothing to loose and had no power over his situation, until he proved he did have power, It would just be the ultimate selfish sacrifice to and for himself to pull it off and he did it. He didnt kill anyone, but his set his small corrupt arizona (i think was the state) town back in finantial ruin by bulldozing it in a man made super tank. To le thats an golden example of an ubermans tranformation into a criminal. A very complex character with a deeply rooted dilemma that most people can only dream of having the balls to predicated, most people would just off themselves and not even try. Plus this man left recordings that clearly expressed how he felt, he didnt want it to come to this but he was forced into the postion.
"The master morality is the morality of the aristocrat, the warrior type. It's the morality of affirmation, of saying 'yes' to life. It's the morality of conquest, of growth, of power. ... It's good to conquer..."
Who here actually advocate this kind of morality? Who here actually think that conquering others is good?
What makes dominating others good? What makes saying 'no' to others the same thing as saying 'yes' to life?
And is it good for others to dominate anybody, even you? Do you bow before the greatness of those who vanquish you? Or do you fight against such greatness, and say 'yes' to life by dying and saying 'no' to life?
How are dominance and conquest anything other than a perverted attempt to build by first destroying? And then continuing to destroy because usurpers and slaves vie against you?
It'd be neat to actually dive into why the master-slave dialectic is something profoundly dynamic and changing. One doesn't born as strong or weak, but can change their strength as a function of time.
Also the violent and barbaric part of humankind has to be understood in a pro-life perspective. Indeed, violence for the sake of violence in Nietzsche's perspective is often a sign of weakness and nihilism. Hence why mass murder is something Nietzsche fought/advocated against all his life, and hence why a criminal can never fully achieve a strong position, since the will the power has to be taken holistically and individually.
How Nietzsche fought mass murder all his life? You’re just making stuff up
@@shakey3306 not fought but he certainly advocated against it.
@@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER no he did not, when you claim something you should provide a source you ididot
@@shakey3306He advocated against the rise of Nazism.
What is the solution to all this?
If those who attain power are those who are not decadent then I must be missing something. Too many times do I see those who are immoral achieving fame.
Adult men nowadays aren't truly grown up according to the standards of our ancestors and men in past times. It was many characteristics and values to being a man and truly grown up. The youth nowadays aren't the only ones not grown up.
The revenge of the slaves was dialectic. Sokrates paved the path, Nietzsche claimed...
Interesting how Nietzsche liked dostoevsky when dosto's later works like karamazov and Crime & Punishment are in stark opposition to him.
Also is it odd or does it seem that Nietzsche is trying to "shame" the slave morality of ours? Like he uses a slave moral tactic to combat it? Or am I wrong and simply misinterpreted this
He is. Basically he wants people to kill themselves by shaming them into action.
It's like a sports fan cheering for more robustness in a contact sport.
I would put it that Neitch values the vitality that is the honed result of the struggle through hardship, rather than the mediocrity and softness that is the consequence of the comfort of a convenient and risk averse existence. Man is designed to thrive, not just survive.
@@deejay8ch That doesnt make sense. I would associate constant struggle with survival and comfortable existence with thriving. Not vice versa.
@@nPr26_50 I disagreed with myself almost as soon as I posted that reply and gave it more thought. We have definitely evolved to survive. Being able to thrive is a fleeting luxury, a privelige if we're fortunate enough to be able to for extended periods, which we have to a large degree over the last eight decades. Good on ya for chipping me about it, gives me a chance to make my (first) correction 👍
But let me add once more for now, if man is able to do more than merely survive, he then has the opportunity to divert time and energy into other interests or pursuits and in that way thrive in the sense that life is then more fruitful. Maybe that's what I was alluding at with the first comment. Language is such a limiting bottleneck for expression of thought sometimes.
So who are those that stand usually have a free spirit but wye🤔
What's crazy too is government, women, etc...define what a man is nowadays and not man himself.
I can't shake off the feeling of coping i get from Nietzsche in these videos. First we always have the "strong/weak" dicotomy which seems to be an evaluation on Nietzsches part, rather then an categorization based on survival. Nietzsche wants to say that the slaves are weak, and won at the same time. For someone looking at it pragmatically, the winners are the winners and the losers are the losers, the rest is merely how you cope with the outcome.
Maybe the will to power is just physicall strenght, but then they clearly manged to negate the will.
Once you 'overturn' Nietzsches own values, you are free to draw the lines how you want. Society has always been sick for some of us, because we have individual goals and values, and a general "goal/value" is simply not good enough for all of us. Its just about individuals speaking out, and coping with them not fitting society, or society not fitting them.
The space for politics if you ask me. But most people want the world to fit their needs, and not other peoples, and hence we are where we are.
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Ayoo. Maybe that's why I don't always feel free. The laws and society's norms are holding me back from excercising my true freedom.
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My brother, Mr Weltgeist, (my mother tongue is German, so I enjoy the privilege to be able to read Nietzsche differently). I have a strong Intuition. And Nietzsche is the most influential person in my way to think. Even my personality, i believe. But I feel like, he is so violent and strong in his gesture and expression, that something here is missing. I feel like, the "truth" is in between.... I think he is right and he is so violent, because he is desperate to point out and change this but I think we need to differentiate... Maybe I am too soft, but I think we need Nietzsches toughness combined with Jesus love and forgiveness? A matured Christianity? Maybe Nietzsche fell in a trap of duality thinking: Good vs bad. Strong vs weak, while in reality, a strong individual can adapt to social structure by refining his skills and transcend his power into the realms beyond pure physical dominance. Even so, a personality has the opportunity to be successful in MMA fighting, if he wants too...
Edit: I must rephrase my claim: I think, back in the days, even the criminals where better. And yes: There are a lot of strong people in jail, who would be valuable leaders in times of danger. There are good leaders amongst them, that people would follow by their free will. But here again we need to differentiate: There are truly sick people in jail as well, that are malignant to anyone around them, follower, woman, child whatever, that also Spartans would throw over a cliff...
Does he elaborate on criminal? I think he also said most criminals are ugly, but perhaps that was someone else. Someone like Ted Bundy is clearly in some kind of pathological throe, that in some sense only happens in overciviliced places. Terriblness is part of greatness to be sure, but terribless isn't let's say "malice"?
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Power is for monkeys.
All is black and white in Nietzche’s world.
You know, I have my problems with Nietzsche and the people who make CZcams videos about him, but I at least can respect this channel for not going full on "the aristocratic master race shall rule over the genetically inferior slave cast" like some others do.
I think that perspective comes from people who deviated from source Nietzsche or projected their own worldview onto Nietzsches writings.
That's the most anti Nietzsche and collectivist thing ever. There's no ubermenchen(overmen) only ubermench (overman) and he has nothing to do with enslaving, as that is what the weak do
That view is a gross reduction of his philosophy.
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"The more civilized, the more unconscious and complicated a man is, the less he is able to follow his instincts. His complicated living conditions and the influence of his environment are so strong that they drown the quiet voice in nature. Opinions, beliefs, theories, and collective tendencies appear in its stead and back up all the aberrations of the conscious mind. Deliberate attention should then be given to the unconscious so that the compensation can set to work. Hence it is especially important to picture the archetypes of the unconscious not as a rushing phantasmagoria of fugitive images, but as constant, autonomous factors, which indeed they are."
[Psyche & Symbol, Carl Jung, edited by Violet de Laszlo, 1958, Ch.1: Aion, Sec.V- Christ, a Symbol of the Self]
"That [s]he's not living in a natural environment. If [s]he's civilized, [s]he's living in Euclidean space-closed, controlled, linear, static-abstracted from the world around him. Like language, it is an attempt to manipulate as well as interpret the world."
[The Global Village: Transformations In World Life & Media in the 21st Century, Marshall McLuhan, 1957, Sec. II: THE GLOBAL EFFECTS OF VIDEO-RELATED TECHNOLOGIES, 9: Angels to Robots: From Euclidean Space to Einsteinian Space]
"We may first consider the murderers of Hiram. These three ruffians, who, when the Builder seeks to leave his temple, strike him with the tools of his own Craft until finally they slay him and bring the temple down in destruction upon their own heads, symbolize the three expressions of our own lower natures which are in truth the murderers of the good within ourselves. These three may be called thought, desire, and action. "
[THE LOST KEYS OF FREEMASONRY: or The Secret of Hiram Abiff, By MANLY P. HALL]
(Hiram is the Psyche, the Temple the 'process of individuation', the ruffians Abrahamic monotheismS... at least, I think I decoded it that way.)
"For every genius you cite whose greatness seems to have sprung from a neurosis, I will undertake to cite similar acts of greatness without neurosis. Turn it around and I'll agree. A man with a touch of genius will be so likely to attack existing institutions that he'll be called unbalanced or neurotic. the only geniuses produced by the chaos of society are those who do something about it." Frazier paused, and i wondered if he were thinking of himself. "Chaos breeds geniuses. It offers man something to be genius about."
[Walden Two, B.F. Skinner, 1948, Ch. 15]
I wanna be a bandit, but I am a looser
Old Fritz was a wonderful stylist, but he was basically just a sickly boy who fetishized brute masculine force because he lost his daddy. I'm not surprised that Freud & Jung thought he was gay.
Anyone with an ideology is tamed to that ideology. Nietzsche talking in circles again.
does he mean the good guy is sick and weak and the bad boy is strong and healthy?????????
Yes, thats awesome isn't?
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