Creative Assembly and Total War are in REAL Danger
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2024
- What will happen to CA? Will they survive and thrive once more, or are we seeing the sunset of a company we'd never thought would go under? Given the news of the latest downsizing at CA, which follows the firings from late last year, it's fair to say that it has not been a good 6 months for the company. Despite this latest news however, SEGA assures us that Creative Assembly are still working on Total War projects and unannounced titles, meaning the company seems to be safe for now. Regardless, this type of news is never fun, and despite the Total War games being what might be the closest thing to our minds, we must not forget about how difficult this is for the devs at CA who have or currently experience difficult and uncertain times.
I'd love nothing more than for Total War and Creative Assembly to bounce back better than ever, but it will definitely require quite a lot, again, especially after the horrible showcase that was CA's 2023. But what do you think? Does this spell the long-term doom for CA, or will everything be fine? Let me know in the comments, and make sure to leave a like and subscribe to the channel :)
#totalwar #creativeassembly #ca #sega - Hry
Surprisingly, it turns out that neglecting your flagship, well-selling series while dumping $100 million dollars into a fire (Hyenas) has negative repercussions.
Who'd a thunk
Shocking indeed
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They should've atleast released hyenas to make SOME money, honestly I have no idea why they would just waste the 100 million dollars like that
it is how free radical die, no more time splitter
Honestly, they have not failed but REFUSED to meet players' expectations, focusing on other matters that seemed more important at the time and now it's starting to show, plain and simple.
They've made the games THEY wanted to make and the way THEY wanted to make them.
And oh surprise, players are pissed every 2 weeks about something the devs have done. Without the modding community, total war would have a third of their customers, no more.
It my opinion senior executives at CA have taken the fans of the game for granted and became fixated on profits, losing interest in what they were doing, strategy game design. The failure to replace the Warscape Engine and improve the Total war series, was lazy and short-sighted and demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of what players actually wanted. Instead they sort to milk the cash cow of Warhammer in an attempt to expand the player base.
A third is a rather optimistic estimate
@@lars3712I thought the same thing
Make medieval 3, print money. It's that easy CA, give us what we want.
Do you really want a Med 3 after all that Shit? Cant even imagine how bad it would be...
It's not gonna be the medieval we want
@@Listitan I mean, it's better than not having it... All vanilla tw games are kinda crappy, so I'd personally be modding anyway.
CA doesn't have the talent to make a medieval 3, they didn't have the talent to make a Rome 2, let alone a Medieval 3.
Even Like this with a medieval 3 I'm sure they will be capable of putting fantasy things in it
A company that spunks £70 Million ! on a game that wasn't even released can't really be trusted to deliver on any promises.
Management that spunks £70M (I heard more?) on a game that doesn't even get released - and was obviously never going to make money - need to be fired, and never allowed to manage anything ever again.
Funny how Medieval 2 was made with a fraction of the whole team that CA's TW has right now
Medieval 2 was made back when people still made games they were passionate about and wanted to play themselves. These days games are only made for profit and under strict deadlines, overseen by managers and investors who doesn't care about passion or quality as long as they make a profit.
If a game doesn't make a proft, instead of trying to fix it, they just fire everyone and then sell the studio to save money, rather than trying to make an actually good game that will make a profit in the end.
@@Fonzo125 sad true
Passion?
@@Fonzo125
Medieval 2 made profit
I'm personally happy that CA's leash is getting shorter. They've been EXTREMELY tone deaf over the past few years greenlighting and developing trash like Hyenas and Sagas titles like Pharaoh (who even asked for this?). I think Sega breathing down their necks could have a positive effect on them. Put some fear of God into them, since they blatantly don't listen to their clientele anymore. They have a few golden eggs they're sitting on like Medieval series, Rome series, Shogun series, the new Three Kingdoms, Game Workshop's Warhammer Fantasy & (very VERY hopefully) Warhammer 40K, but they just refuse to use these golden eggs. They occupy a very pecular niche in the gaming industry that is between 4x strategy games and RTS tactical battlers. Their arrogance has led them down the wrong path and its high time someone reminded them of their position in the grand scheme of things. Maybe they could score some projects with other big IPs like Tolkien's Middle-Earth or WarCraft? Hell, even if the hyped died down, G.R.R. Martin's Westeros?
Focus on what you're good at. That's it.
Warhammer 40k in the style of T.W Empire would be absolutely sick. Instead of frigates, you'd have Battleships and grand cruisers. Bouta bust
@@DunceCapSyndrome
As an Empire Total war fan I absolutely hate that You're suggesting 40K is at all comparable.
Modern total war sucks specifically BECAUSE Warhammer fans ruined it.
can agree....they just need to make Medieval 3 or even Empires 2.
but this seems to be too far for CA to reach as their Marketing team which dictates the games is so tone deaf, that a deaf man could hear it. abandoning 3 kingdoms I will never forgive...never purchased another one of their titles after that...that...was a complete shameful display on CA's end.
@@spiffygonzales5160 "I want to gatekeep and complain about a hypothetical"
Modern T.W. sucks because of dev incompetency & their failure to listen to the community. Those losers literally dumped 100 million dollars into Hyenas just to cancel it and you're blaming Warhammer fans for CA & SEGA's incompetency? I'm a historical fan first. (my PFP is literally the Rome 2 Aurelian DLC) As such, I say stop crying and get over yourself.
@@DunceCapSyndrome
Rome 2 is not the same as the old school total wars. And it's not a hypothetical. Old total wars (Shogun 1 -Shogun 2) are far more strategic then the arcade strategy of modern tw
this guy talked about almost 10 minutes without saying anything
That’s Andy for you😅
Welcome to youtube
Lots of CZcamsrs exist under CAs payroll who essentially act as hype generators as well as mitigating any negativity the company gets
@@spiffygonzales5160 are you saying Andy is one of them?
@@1992zorro
Normally I don't like to start stuff... but yes... absolutely. 1000% percent.
Him and especially lore master of sotek are some of the worst ones CA has. Sure, they aren't directly under their payroll, but they receive benefits for darn sure. You definitely don't see CA treating Andy's take like they treat Volound. This dude seldom ever says that anything about total war is bad, and the few times he does it's very obviously just damage control.
At this point i wouldn't even trust them to do Medival 3. If they die so be it, perfect example of what happens when you outright ignore your core player base.
It's even worse that they are blaming the engine, everybody knew it was cooked around 3k/WH2, why didn't they start on a knew engine then rather than leaving it. Absolutely ridiculous.
In the current state that CA is, they should not rush to make a Medieval 3 or any new Total War game, because it would be a total fail. Also, whatever they do, they need a brand new engine.
Honestly, I'm at a point where I don't really care anymore. Either they make a good game that people like, or they don't. Won't really affect me either way. I do wish the company that made these all time strategy classics would continue making banger games, but let's be real here: These are different people under the same name. Either they start getting things right, or they can go under and deservedly so.
Medieval 3, Empire 2. It is so difficult CA?
And also... Shogun 3.
Even if they make those today. It wont be as good, the game will lack lots of features. And you will be disappointed than happy about it.
M3, E2 and S3 are the games that historical fans want to see. CA is leaving their golden loafs of bread in the oven to burn and turn to ashes and then wonder why all their new games don’t make the cut.
40K will only intrigue so many fans, however, buying the Tolkien rights is another thing and possibly a game changer for them for another fantasy game - definitely has the room for multiple starting timelines like 3K and doesn’t need to be a series like WH.
@@voidsentoni5977 They are all just lowering the bars on all entertainment on purpose, then in a few years when those with short attentionspan have forgotten what quality means, they release something 1% of the quality it should be with minimal effort and get praised.
how about total war genghis khan?
it covers all medieval europe to middle east and to far east to japan.
man, Medieval 3 seems further and further
If CZcams rumours can be believed, the next Total War is supposed to be a modern era. Which I think means Medieval 3 is off the table, possibly forever.
Bro even if they did a medieval 3 it wouldnt be medieval 3 thats how far off this company is
Medieval 3 will never happen, it will be Rome 2 medieval reskin. You think of a good engine that simulates war in every way which is something current CA's employees can't even understand.
As long as CA learn there lesson and start making good games again, even Medieval 3 isn’t going to save the franchise.
And it is good.
Better unborn
Dont underestimate the idea of a power vacuum forming after CA dissolves.
The reason competitors can't enter the space is the sheer amount of IP required to compete w/ CA. If CA dies, those employees likely leave, the IP becomes less protected/guarded and a space opens up for this type of game to be filled by another player.
Honestly, this is what I was thinking, what if a new studio buys out the total war franchise and reinvigorates it? that would be ideal! Or, what if a new company makes a similar game to compete with CA? Also, what exactly is the IP that CA has that makes it to where no one else can compete? is it basically the idea of having a turn based grand campaign map with real time tactical battles that happen on that spot on the campaign map? because that is the core idea of total war. If that is the IP then I totally understand why no one else has ever made a game like it. But that seems too general of a thing to be copywritten or patented, but I could be wrong, I am no expert. If that were the case then Starcraft and Age of Empires should not exist, as they are both the same idea of a game.
Hopefully it'll be like what happened with SimCity 2013 and City Skylines.
My toughts exactly, all these devs they are laying off, they still need to work, it is my hopes that with CA going down, there would be new studios that can enter the market and who knows what they will create :D
Losing money is a priveledge not a right
Sensational
Can someone explain something to me, if this engine sucks at melee, and it was made for empire and napoleon, make a gunpowder game, not empire 2- we're trying to be cheap her. But some gunpowder game with a small focus while CA makes a new engine. Game could be anything from pike and shot to victorian age.
I think they are just too incompetent and too thin skinned to make a interesting historical title. And most of all, too greedy, as shown with Pharaoh.
English civil war... on two islands... thats the whole map... good tie over until a major release.
@@MarktheRude The squalor bug and pike bug from Rome 1 and medieval II are a testament that CA does not care to fix stuff unless they suffer backlash.
In shogun 2 engine give best melee combat in serie and after it they broke all what achieved in new version for Rome 2.
Made for gunpowder? Then why are those games melee fests? Empire 2 needs a brand new engine, period!
Maybe, just maybe, CA should consider making the games the community asks for. I know it's absurd and a strange idea, but listening to what your fans want could be a solution.
If they haven't done it by now it's not because they don't want to but because they know it will be a disappointment. The bar is too high for Medieval 2 and, judging by their latest releases, they can't make a good enough game.
Total war 40k? Got it.
Dont be ridiculous
Medieval 3 will be Warhammer reskinned historical 😂
CA management have let their capitalist psychopathy show too much for over a decade. I hope they go under and a new developer makes games on the same concept of tactical real time battles with turn based strategic map. We're long past the point of reform. Revolution is needed.
Return of the captain opition instead of forcing General interaction, split armies and complex empire management. All I want
Well I guess for CA you need to explain step by step how to add the code and the visual models and sound effects and stuff because they won't do it probably 😭
Even game is dead and broken there can be mods that do something good and make game worth returning.
They need to get rid of single entity heroes/generals and all their buffs/gear they get to boost the armies they command. Not just is watching a single entity mob up a 160 soldiers but it also ruins the immersion. And the buff stacking is just broken beyond repair.
The system in rome 2 worked for me, individual general that also are potentially active in politics.
I can kinda see it being a thing for fantasy stuff like warhammer, with demons and what not. But in a game that is supposed to catch the historical timeline single entity heroes are just bad and seeing them "duel" while a war is going on around them is just cringe.
Sure props to CA to make it optional in troy, 3k etc... BUT than the generals bodyguards end up worse than units he commands... which makes no sense either.
It's honestly impressive how they managed to destroy one of their most profitable cash cows over the last few years.
Not hard when done on purpose, destroying has always been easier than creating/building.
99 cent store
by the sound of it most of the people that worked at CA that made those title are mostly gone. so why care if the brand CA remains or not? sadly, it seems that CA has turned out to be the small poor brother of Blizzard with very similar issues from the outside (sexual scandal, fan bashing and ignoring, arrogance, overambitious projets that fans do not want, massive layoffs, etc)
I personally hope that most resources go to Feral Interactive for a Medieval 2 and Empire remastered.
If that happens, I couldn't care less about Creative Assembly.
Same for Shogun 1 and Medieval 1 remasters. We also need those, and it seems they got a contract with Feral on remastering these games
There is already a contract? Cool!
Where can I read some info about that?
I would argue that its been so many years of waiting the expectation would be impossible for them to achieve at the moment. If anything it would possibly finish the franchise
Let's see, worsen the quality of the titles released and put a shitty DRM (Denuvo), who knows what could go wrong?
The general state of CA is the best argument for Manor Lords and Project Renaissance.
Medieval 3 is the only thing that can save CA now. But I doubt they even have the talent or tech to do it justice after the last few years and tech debt they've got themselves into.
Warhammer III still has a lot of potential.
that's done, Ithey made the whole map and it's done, or I hope it is, give me a good historical title I've been waiting for 12 years@@Chtigga
@@GamesExposed No, Warhammer 3 is far from being done. But I'm not against a good historical (although I genuinely like Pharaoh).
@@GamesExposed Three Kingdoms is also great. Did you try it?
@@Chtigga Three kingdoms feels like a fantasy or romantic representation of what was going on there and those elephants are godmode. Maybe it's a fun game but not historical, there are many argumenting out there why it's not a historical game, like why are there heroes in the game? imagine if you played rome and you have Caesar or Augustus as somekind of super fighters dueling the other general, that never happened. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but I will bring another point. I don't want to play in the chinese universe, all characters sound the same to me as a european so there is no immersion for me as a casual history consumer. When I play rome or medieval I know all those cultures and I care about them in a way or another. I can role play as the greeks or romans or my ancient people the dacians or the tough germanic tribes holding against the romans or as the parthians for some sand adventures. In medieval times I can be a plundering viking or an orthodox christian or a catholic from the west. This is why if you look on steam most played games you will see that people still play these super old games because of the setting, a setting that is really attractive for many players. It's like in case of semi-modern warfare would you like to play in WW2 where a lot of countries are involved (even yours) or just the korean conflict? maybe I'm an asshole but I don't care about those people and I would like to play WW2. There is also the issue of why people play so much shogun 2? because that game has very good balanced gameplay that works very well in competittive multiplayer modes too and also a samurai is very cool. Last point is that you can't send us semi-historical china and mythical troy and claim that the historical TW fans are satisfied, we are not satisfied and we would like to go back to the settings that we love so much, it's been +10 years. I want to play my triple ancies formation in a modern TW game that has good working AI and beautiful graphics with attention to all details including city building/management, population system and advanced politics. There are a lot of people like me, does CA not like money or something? we're waiting all these years to pay them. WH universe made tons of money sure and it was a fun game but we have also money ready for an epic historical setting! No one is playing pharaoh and that's so lame, give us what we want and we will play it.
I would almost never blame the engine, it’s mostly the upper management. EA is a big example of, making developers use an engine that was made specifically for battlefield, to make mass effect andromeda. The engine itself works, it’s when it’s forced to either, do something else it wasn’t meant to, or not given enough development time to flesh out the tools and bug tests.
Another example I would use is payday 2 and 3. The developers gave up on payday 2 console because it was “too hard”, so they were gonna switch to unreal because it would make development easier. Clearly something still went wrong, wasn’t the engines fault, either developers are very incapable, or management got very much in the way of the project.
When I look at total war, I see the engine works fine. It can handle mass amounts of units on ultra without shadows. The engine isn’t programming the AI, it’s the developers. 1212 AD as a mod is proof that CA can do better, they just can’t due to constant content flows, sharp deadlines, and greed of the upper management to appease share holders.
I would love to be given an example of a game that failed because it was the engines fault, because from where I’m sitting, it’s almost never the engine, it’s the workplace.
To add a little bit more context, it’s the programming of the developers on why battles take 10 minutes with these large scale battles. They dial the numbers in, they control the moral points, they input the health meter, they are the ones who are in control of the flow of battle. Unless a story comes out that, any battle past 15 minutes, they have to put out the fire as the engine keeps bursting into flames? They are the ones who reaped what they sowed. Their decision to move away from historical long form battles. They can program better AI if they took the time. It is on them to make the games better. The engine is only the tool, the user handles the tool. Much like a car, if you take care of it and get regular check ups, your car will run way past its life span.
Not 100% sure, but if I understood the situation correctly, SEGA wants CA to focus almost entirely on Total War going forward, as thats where CA actually makes money. Again. not sure if its correct, but at least from what I've heard and understood, it was mostly the "console team" (what I heard them be called - the team working on titles other than Total War), and not the Total War team that was affected by the layoffs, so it's basicly just Total War Assembly at this point.
Also dont know if CA Sofia was affected by this. From what I've heard they weren't, but I don't know for sure, so I would like to see your sources for that, as I can't find any.
Not looking too bright for CA and Total War at the moment, I'll admit, but I think many people covering this (at least from a Total War perspective) make it look worse than it actually is. But as stated, layoffs are never a good thing, so we'll have to wait and see, I guess.
Worse than it really is! Are you joking? Or were you 10 at rome 2 launch?
@@heathclark318 What does that even mean? Yes, I remember the Rome 2 launch, but I don't know what that has to do with the current situation.
As stated, I don't know what your statement "Worse than it really is!" is suppossed to mean here. I get that that it's a response to what I wrote, but still don't see what you're aiming at.
What I mean by that statement is that many people covering the story about the CA layoffs makes it look like it's the end of CA and Total War. In my opinion it isnt, so in my opinion, many people covering this situation makes it seem worse than it really is.
If you believe this is the end of CA and Total War and that this is the worst case scenario and all hope is lost, by all means, but personally I don't think so. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
You look like someone who know journalists and CZcamsrs these day...
Using joy, hope, despair, hate of people/communities to create fake or/and exaggerated news to create more conflicts/audience/money for themselves no matter what will happen to their victi... followers 😀
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please what's the submod that make the arrows looks like that in Medieval kingdoms 1212 ?
CA savior is hiring mod creators, like those creator of medieval 1212ad or Divide impera. And the most important is removing woke encroachment inside the company.
Instead of wasting money on Hyenas CA should have been working on a new badly needed TW engine
I really hope Thrones of Decay does well...
Same
But Tamurkan has to claim the Thrones of Decay first!
Let's watch Tariff live stream to see where he is and how close he is to claim it!
This is kinda the problem I think. People don't want good expansions/DLCs anymore but just to do well.
The DLC should be good. The commercial success should be the result of it. If it is a commercial success while it is a bad DLC CA won't learn the lesson. They will just deliver more and more bad DLCs and ruin its Brand value.
@@dawoifee When I sayed "I hope it does well" I meant it as "I hope the DLC is good and succeds because of it", not "I hope it reaches the minimum sales quota so that they keep making warhhamer content.
I do get your point though. fingers crossed for next week's reveal
Butterfly effect goes brrrr. Hyenas was a fuck up, that ment layoffs and that Warhammer 3 and Pharaoh had to compensate for that big loss. Less workers + even higher want for money means worse content at higher prices, and that is a recepie for doom. And doom did come, virtually noone payed the price of a full game for a Troy DLC and SoC was the biggest fuck up I've experience in my recently, even I didn't buy it. What had to happen, happened. Now they have a chance of redemption. If the fuck up the ToD DLC, Warhammer 3 is, and maybe even CA are, a done deal.
Agreed. I'm an absolute sucker for WHFB, around 10.000 hours spread among the three titles, but even I was on the fence last DLC. If the next one is like SoC, then they'll lose me.
Ubi as well on the same road, garbage after garbage all to destroy entertainment from the inside out, its working and even dividing people, win=win for the stockholders.
@Andy's Take what mods are you using to make medieval 2 to look so good?
Andy, you should look into the sweetheart deals that companies like Sega get from Valve, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft. They don't pay the 30% commissions that regular Indie developers have to. This makes it much harder for laid-off employees to start their own studios, and it means we get worse games or none at all.
If they pack it in there are companies out there that could tap into this huge market.
Medieval 3, Rome 3, Shogun 3, Empire/Napoleon 2. Lots of options.
always been lots of options.. so it's incredibly frustrating!
Make medieval 3, empire 2, rome 3 and you're going to be making everyone happy, and yourself rich
RIP Total War - you never matured and your greedy parents never gived you love or good toys and furstratingly all potential was wasted.
Shamefull display!
To revitalize the Total War franchise, CA need to venture into new themes. I have 3 suggestions :
1. Sci Fi themed Total War inspired by Civilization Beyond Earth. Where humanity struggled to colonize an Alien planet in the near future. The "affinities" are overarching philosophies on human advancement that shape players' technological advancement and unlock affinity-unique units.
2. An alternate late 1980s and 1990s themed Total War where Cold War goes hot, WW3 has erupted, Nuclear Weapons and biological weapons were used en masse. In the early game, you have to deal with the Nuclear threat, but later you have to deal with the zombie apocalypse caused by the rampant usage of biological weapons by Warsaw Pact and NATO nations.
3. A Mad Max themed Total War, where after the WW3. Nations around the world collapse, humanity had to reorganize and reclaimed the wasteland with limited resources left, diseases and nuclear wastes are the biggest threat as well as the ongoing zombie infestation due to the massive usage of biological weapons during the previous WW3. CA can take some inspiration from a city building game called "Surviving the Aftermath: Rebrith", in that game you can have quests and mission to complete just like in Attila and Three Kingdoms.
this is the results of the bad management of resources, bad CEO's , bad visions and 0 listen to community! I will not move a dime if they will disappear from the market. All their last 5 years they destroyed the market of historical titles with bad titles. Someone else needs to take their place who can actually make good historical games!
I love 3K. One of the best total war games ever. 3K could never be "historical" in any sense. However, I knew what to expect since I am very familiar with three kingdoms. What I didn't expect was for CA to abandon it before we even got to the "three kingdoms" part of the three kingdoms...Troy is fiction. Plan and simple. While nobody asked for it, we got Troy. Pharaoh, on the other hand, was a stab in the back by CA. CA needs new owners. Trust is gone.
Always love hearing your opinion on these topics, keep up the good work man. I am fearful for the future of the franchise I have loved for a very long time. Some would say it already does not have a future but we will see . . .
I really hope it's not the end. Either way I'm grateful for the experiences and the fun I've had. Total War games made me want to learn more about history and made me want to learn everything about cultures outside of just their tactics and military.
What's the music at 2:35?
I still have hope that CA can turn things around. They did add new additions to the recent WH 3 dlc and stated that they will make sure that dlc are up to standards. I am curious about the future of historical TW. I want to see Medieval 3 or empire 2.
I mean that's good and all..... But I would rather have the game be up to standard than the DLC.
I mean do you remember the quality of Shogun 2? That game had DLC and nobody said anything bad about it because It was a fundamentally excellent game.
Warhammer 3 on the other hand only survived because of its (In my opinion abusively extensive) DLC and because of the explosion in popularity for Warhammer, not because of the quality of the core game.
@@anarchyandempires5452 where do you think the explosion of popularity for Warhammer came from? Not from GW, they killed Warhammer and replaced it with Age of Sigmar (...until recently; happily Warhammer is now back). Warhammer Total War survived and thrived primarily because it was good. The IP helped, sure, but Warhammer only increased in popularity because of Total War, and it wouldn't have done that if it wasn't fundamentally a good game.
@@anarchyandempires5452 As far as I remember there was very few complaints about Warhammer 1, apart from pre-order/day 1 dlc and the people who didn't like the setting, and the same with TWW2.
The majority of complaints have come after the release of TWW3, so safe to say something is probably wrong in the higher up and leader positions if 2 of the games was at least ok, with relatively few complaints, and the the 3rd game launches in a broken state and everyones complaining even now.
Maybe I'm wrong, but something definatley changed between TWW2 and TWW3.
Sure, the game definately got a boost due to the populaitiy and "brand" of Warhammer, but the current popularity of Warhammer (fantasy) is in large parts due to Total War Warhammer. GW scrapped Warhammer Fantasy with the end times and introduces Age of Sigmar in it's place. They're now releasing Warhammer The Old World because of the current popularity of the setting.
AI is taking lots of jobs. I mean can you imagine the amount of money they pocket now?
It would be sad to see no more good Total War games, but there’s a silver lining. With the abundance of other medieval strategy games like Manor Lords, Knights of Honor II, and the development on Project Renaissance, not to mention the cornucopia of mods, there is a demand for these games, and there will always be someone to fill the gap which CA left, and maybe even do it better. Just a thought.
None of them have yet done the "Total War" formula, though (not that I've seen). I want turn-based campaign where I can take as long as I want to manage my empire that would happen on a scale of years, and real-time battles where I have to think and plan and react in minutes or seconds. I've not seen anything else like that - the closest I've seen was Ultimate General: American Revolution, but the mostly-real-time campaign ruins it for me (...and I'm not that bothered by the time period).
Until someone else makes a proper Total War game, just without calling it that, I personally am not very interested in the alternatives.
@@BittermanAndy That is what I am saying, why is the total war formula not copied by anyone else? is it IP? is it too difficult?
@@matthewmorter9679 It can't be IP, you can't claim game mechanics as intellectual property (how many first person shooters are there, how many RTS games, etc.?). You couldn't call your game Total War as that's trademarked, but if you want to make a game just like it, anyone can.
I have to assume it's too risky. You need to make a great turn-based game AND a great real-time game, and if either of them are bad, no-one will play your game (they'll play a pure TBS or RTS instead). So you've got to do twice as much work, to get probably the same amount of buyers, with twice as much risk. Maybe that's not very appealing to the business-people. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me... otherwise I don't understand why no-one else has really done it.
@@BittermanAndy Ya know, that does make sense. It really is two games in one, which is mostly why it is so awesome. I have been tempted to try out Paradox games, but the lack of real time battles turns me off. My computer has an error with Rome Remastered (I can play all other Total War games just fine, it says I need Direct X 11, even though I have the newer version, 12.) that makes it to where it crashes when I try to enter a battle, but I could auto resolve without crashes, but that just felt so empty to me, a total war game with only empire management and no battles just doesn't do it for me, I need both!
I couldn't agree with you more about being able to move as utterly slowly as you like and take hours to think things through strategically on the campaign map, but then I get to contrast that with the fast paced tactical battles where seconds matter, and it brings the strategic thought down to a concrete action, it really is just a great formula, and for a history lover like me using mods like Europa Barbarorum really just amps up the immersive experience to a level no other game has reached for me.
Maybe its time for them to truly become a small family company XD
This is a trend throughout the entire entertainment industry, and it’s all imploding. Sad for the common worker. Can’t say we didn’t warn them though.
I'm completely fine with playing the old games until i die. Cleary CA isnt going to get their shit together anytime soon
I don’t even care about medieval 3. I just want a good game in general whether it be Bronze Age or medieval you name it
CA does not necessarily need a new engine.
Hideo Kojima and his team made Death Stranding with an engine from 2013.
The question is what is going on with CA, the management and devs?
I believe that it is corporate effort that directly influenced the combination of all the good things past games did into one "perfect" game in order to justify the sale of older titles.
Sounds like we'll never get Empire 2
Total war needs to be made a streamline RTS game or else it will die
If CA comes to an end and/or if they stop making total war games, someone's gonna make similar games. Hopefully better
clown assembly should make medieval 3 or empire total war 2 otherwise they f..ked up very badly
I think keeping a population mechanic out is a design choice rather than an oversight. I think they're trying to appeal to as broad of an audience as possible and adding in new features and mechanics that increase complexity ultimately raises the bar for entry and alienates those more casual players. So while that route sucks for us who want a deep strategy game to sink our teeth into, its a good financial decision for CA.
At this point I am hoping for a decent competitor to appear to light a fire under their backsides. While I would love for a Medieval 3 or Empire 2, I don't have any faith in CA, to make something that will measure up to the games that came before them, let alone surpass them.
The best move to me that they could make in the short time would be a remaster of Medieval 2/Empire/Napoleon like they did with Rome 1, if they add steam workshop support to those 3 they can use them to print some money, then commit to working on one well polished game for a few years, win back fans with a quality product that is fun on release not a further X number of years down the track after release.
On a side note can you do videos on how you mod medieval total war and Rome total war remastered, the clips in the video make them look almost next gen it looked so nice
Videos like this just make me want to go back and play medieval 2 again
All CA needs to do is release a Medieval 3 for Historical and a Warhammer 40K. Best of both worlds.
It's completely their fault. They failed to give what players want for years now.
I'm genuinely curious about the development of Pharaoh. Nobody wanted that game, as seen with the massive community backlash and the fact that a dead game (3K) and a decade old game (Rome II) have higher players counts.
Nobody said "ay give me that Troy Total war. Or how about Pharaoh just a few years later?" Like it's clear the management do not care about the fans
this yes, I have no idea how Pharaoh happened
As a player for 20 years, I hate to see where this IP has gone. the OG developers are likely gone and they will never match their predecessors
I got back into Shogun 2 recently, they released a patch that breaks all the mods. It looks like picking the Linux version on steam allows some of the mods to work for some reason, like the one that fixes the archers using the cannon audio. This is just facepalm levels of stupidity from CA. They've long mistaken being ahead of the competition for genius.
Total War ended in 2015 with the release of Attila. I have not bought a Total War game since. The community is just playing the old games, from Rome 1 to Attila (2004 - 2015). The thing is, Medieval 2 is nearly 20 years old by now (released 2006). It's getting ridiculous. CA should have already released Remastered versions of Medieval 2 and Empire over the past 10 years. They should also have already delivered Medieval 3 and Empire 2. Honestly, I no longer care what they do nor what they release. I think it might be best if CA does close down. That would open up an opportunity for some new company to come along and release truly revolutionary games, like the early Total War games were when they first came out back in the year 2000.
When Warhammer 3 came out CA forgot to make army recruit rosters. The whole system was there but only one or two templates were added for each faction. Remember those mono stacks? Took me about 2 hours to make in support for SFO, took ca about a year to implement. I mentioned it many times.
It is hard to say. Either way, we need announcements. We need more total war content coming. I am not sure where the franchise is going atm, and it makes me concerned and sad.
Clean house, rehire the original team with AI tools
1. Continue to remaster/update old games like Shogun 1 or Shogun 2 with 64-bit engines, bugfixes, better core support and open up the engines further for modding. Merge Rome 2 and Attila together into a single game.
2. Release Medieval 3 with all the bells & whistles of feedback from the more hardcore community (the single player oriented community), such as deeper role-play, economy, better core gameplay, improved animations that don't make the unit slide around for no reason and political options all under a new more stable, more moddable Engine.
3. ???
4. Profit.
Bonus: If they ever intend to do 40k Total War, then I would advise them to do Victoria Total War(+American Civil War) then WW1, the Interwar period, WW2, then finally the cold war period before they tackle that beast, just so they can get everything into proper working condition so we don't have any hiccups that could have easily been avoided.
I bet if they made a WW1 Total War and yeah, I know the engine would possibly have to be overhauled, and made it really good, they would make money, possibly more money than ever before.
nah I already jump ship when they stopped Three Kingdoms DLC and prioritise Fantasy genre.
Paradox Grand Strategy games my main to go now
Three kingdoms IS fantasy garbage just like that children’s game called warhammer.
@@BH02377 3K > Empire and Rome 2
from one stinky ship to an another. congrats.
@@cloacky4409at the least, paradox improves their games instead of abandoning them
@@gyderian9435 yeah but its still moving from one bad company, to a slightly better (but still awful) one
I've been patently waiting for a proper Empire sequel for 15 years. Every year my teenage self would patently wait for the devs to release something that would scratch that particular itch, and every year my dreams have been crushed. I have not given up hope, but I have stopped waiting. I will not purchase another game from the series until it's what the community deserves...the Original community at that.
Two titles to save Creative Assembly:
Middle Earth: The Third Age
Medieval 3
Hot take: i don't care about many f these layoff.
there have been to many hires last years with subpar devs and some even being more activists then coders.
sometimes it is beter to cut the weed and keep the actual usefull and productive people.
don't forget the CA after layoffs is still way bigger then it was in the glorydays of CA
my computer is not good enough anymore for total war recording, streamlabs keeps bringing up skipping frames stuff and lagging
Who would have thought just making Medieval 3 would be so hard.....
In software its simple you create a killer app and you enhance that. So many software companies fail time and time again to realize this ... AND developers are your superstars - not executives not HR not finance teams - DEVELOPERS
The only fear i have is that if CA die, no one would make "total war like" games and let the potential market die with it.
BUT i think it is realistic to think that CA will be bought by another company if Sega sell them, so i have hope
Regarding your talk about the developers, this even worst than you think. The people that developed warhammer 2 and its dlcs aren’t working at CA anymore. The modern team isn’t even the one that develop the games.
They need a remake medieval and stop adding new mechanics to the game and allow us to enjoy the city building aspects not just constant conflict
Its also an opportunity, with a lot of free workers that know stuff about that kind of game, another studio could grab some and push the needed alternative to tw.
They should hire you, and also make medieval 3
It's also important to realize the economic realities of the system we're all forced to participate in, Sega as a mega conglomerate is nowhere near actually 'hurting', when executives in boardrooms say business is 'hurting' what they really mean is that profit margins aren't what they used to be, the people at the top and the company they run are still making bank, but from the perspective of a corporate capitalist, anything less than unfettered growth for the sake of growth and increasing profits means a company is 'hurting', and because of this they will not take a reduction in payment towards their ridiculous salaries, but they will certainly ruin their underling's livelihoods without mercy.
This is not just a 'Sega' issue, it's an industry wide issue in gaming, companies were running things during the height of the COVID pandemic like the period of growth they were witnessing was going to last forever, in typical corporate shortsightedness they didn't take into account why there was so much growth in their industry, because context doesn't matter to executives, profits do. So now that things are back to "normal" naturally the growth isn't as big as it used to be, expect more of this bullshit in the near future, CA will be working on Total War, but now with less people, and with more crunch culture to compensate for the loss of labor.
The story here shouldn't be: "Will CA survive this?" It should be, "Sega and CA executives are exploiting their workforce in order to satisfy their own avarice."
I hope Ultimate General learns from CA's mistakes and makes games people want for the future. I'm excited about UG American Revolution as a type of game CA should have been making on a larger scale as they already had far more staff as UG is done with a handful of people.
Its because they adapted the Warhammer mechanics animation thats what they get they deserved it though those lay-off is just sad but i dont know CA is hugging and kissing fantasy total war type games so much
Might even be best for Total War if CA goes under completely. The IP might be bought by a different developer, ones who want to make the games we've been waiting and hoping for for over a decade now.
The future of Total War is in indie devs under a different IP.
I kind of lost interest in Total War when they axed Total War: Arena. I know it's not for everyone and it didn't make them enough money but man I loved that game. It was such a more casual, fun strategy experience that was low pressure/stress while still letting you be a part of a huge battle and it was actually fun to grind the game.
I love some of the older Total Wars like Medieval 2 and Rome 2 but I mainly just play single battles as a one of and then don't play again for a while. Arena was a game I actually wanted to play each day and put time into and they killed it. I'm aware you can get yourself onto the Chinese servers for the game but that's not what it should be.
The main games they've been releasing seem underwhelming too. They don't seem as gritty or as real feeling, so from my perspective, they killed the most fun game they had under the Total War name and replaced it with subpar ones instead.
Please bigger and better game company, plz buy them and give the fans exactly what they want. If not then it will die because others are already slowly creating this type of genre.
Maybe it time for a new “CA” to emerge… ?? Take the cinematic battle and campaign map strategy niche, and make it their own? A fresh take on it all.
The thing with Total War games over the past 10 years, they NEVER INNOVATED and only IRRIDIATED on the Game. They Optimized the Game engine to make each game very easy to go "copy, and paste", which is why every single games feels so similar. Its also why Alot of Features don't carry over from game to game, each game is its own "instance" if you will. Why do you think so many Aspects of Total War have been "gamified"? Its not like they are gonna port every single TW game to Mobile.
Its just SAD really, that every time you think about total war, you can look back at games that are 10 or even 20 years old at this point and go "that was a superior product". So many LITTLE things have been lost and no one knows WHY. Like just to name a Few BIG ONES:
1. Population is no longer a Mechanic, its just a BAR that fills up. Population used to be Resorce that ether grew your cities or grew your armies AND effected the Tax income from your cities. Now it is just "wait for bar to fill up to open building slot", I SLEEP!
2. The AI used to be able to retreat from battle, now it just fights till it runs out of troops or Army Losses happens. You have no IDEA how shocking it was to see the ENEMY Retreat from the field of battle in Rome Remastered, having grown used to the AI fighting to the Death/Routing.
3. MUTI LAYERED WALLED SETTLEMENTS! Holy shit this has been the biggest epic FAIL since TW engine 3 became a thing. To this Day, Medieval 2 is the only TW game with Mutiple layers of walls that you can assault with siege equipment (namely ladders). While many games have muti Tiered Defenses, its not quite the same as a 3 or 4 layer Medieval Citadel.
4. I know its a small thing but, Garrisoning buildings or Taking cover behind walls in field battles and building Feild Defenses.
5. Government Mechanics have been.... Lacking to say the least. Maybe I just really like Empires Government/Revolution system and wish it was more Fleshed out.
They have done this themselves
They made Hyenas and Pharaoh that no one wanted and lost tons of money, became greedy on warhammer dlc and abandoned three kingdoms.
What did they think would happen?
Just make Total War Game of Thrones or 40K and make money, CA...
I really wish some one would create a game where it has the politics of CK2 and Total War battles.
It sucks but I genuinely believe the best thing to happen for this genre is for CA to end as this will allow other companies to rise and take their spot and hopefully more than 1 so there is competition which there just currently are not.
Make the badass historical games that made the game what it was. Make a medieval game or return to gunpowder.
I think it's clear the deeper city and population mechanics could work but they've made the decision to exclude them. Total War is one of, if not the most, popular strategy game series of all time. They're just prioritizing the ease of gameplay and streamlining the campaign map aspects to get players to their battles faster. The battles is the real popular seller that make the series sell to as many people as possible. They're cinematic and hype inducing and the animation work is incredible honestly which makes the big trailers for warhammer awesome for marketing reasons. I don't think city and population mechanics would entice new people into the series but old veterans of the series like us are smaller in number than most people who buy the games now.
Arch always has the final laugh
With all these devs getting laid off, hopefully they go off to start their own studios, or passion projects of actually good quality like manor lords. With the ample amount of exposure CZcams and social media gives nowadays they stand a fighting chance. These companies greed is only going to give us the next generation of Bethesda, Bliizzard and Valve, and they won't come burdened down by all the corporate baggage.
Rome 1 soundtrack just hits different.