GUN TRICKS: WORLD CHAMPION GUNSPINNER CRITIQUE OF TOMBSTONE'S JOHNNY RINGO
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- Join Dan Mink, The Rhinestone Roper and Multiple Wild West World Champion, as he analyzes the GUN SPINNING OF JOHNNY RINGO from the movie TOMBSTONE. Dan discusses and demonstrates why so many people, including himself, love the gun spinning of Johnny Ringo, and points out the short comings.
Thanks for mentioning Shane...
Shane is the MAN!
If I'm not mistaken, it took something like 10 different takes for Michael Bein to do that routine flawlessly to get the one we ended up with in the movie.
They had multiple cameras rolling, for different points of view and surely they cut to those and I get that it's Hollywood but I think it was all in one take.
dunno if the footage is all from the same take, but Beihn spoke about this at a convention once. he said he trained with a gunspinning coach for around 3 months, he "Discovered" the starburst spin on his own after learning the horizontal spin before the coach told him someone else beat him to it, he developed the routine we see by himself, and he can actually do the entire routine in one go, but they had multiple takes because of minor mistakes like missing the hammer on a cocking motion or being sloppy on holstering the gun at the end etc.
it's possible the reason that double spin draw to hammer cock looks funny is because they used part of one of the other botched takes for that shot, but who's to say?
Need a video with the tin cup now! Nice work breaking down the scene. Loved this vid.
Thank you. I'll be looking for your Tin Cup video.
Was the cup routine a replica or was it better than Ringo’s gun spinning
I believe from what I have read that he was duplicating what Johnny Ringo had done. Also, the tin cup had a weight in the bottom for balance I think. It has been a while since I read about it. I need to find it again.
Thanks a lot for the breakdown! This scene was the first routine I studied and annotated for my own use. Absolutely love Tombstone and Johnny’s routine.
If I recall correctly Michael Biehn (actor of Johnny Ringo) was practicing his twirling and hadn’t seen the Wave/Starburst before and thought he made up that move himself at first.
Hi Roger, Glad you liked it. In this Wild West stuff, it's hard to invent something that's actually new, but it's still feels good to come up with something that you haven't seen or heard of.
@@rhinestoneropers9204 yes I’ve come to realize that!
Just watched the interview and yep, totally right according to Michael. Even though there is a lot of cuts in the movie, he said he could do the whole routine perfectly once in every 10, in the film he did it in one cut.
In an interview, Biehn said that he could only successfully perform that trick maybe one out of ten tries.
Hi Theodore, That's interesting. I wondered if he had practiced enough to get it right once for the camera or if he had truly become as good as he looked. That's the benefit of not working live.
@@rhinestoneropers9204 I am thinking it still took some serious editing, as you alluded to, and multiple takes.
I gotta go back and find that video of him talking about it.
I get the impression that Biehn wasn't even remotely as good as you. Doing something for a film has to be hard enough, but doing live action shows has got to be infinitely harder. I couldn't imagine the pressure. 😅
Keep up the incredible work, I really am enjoying your channel!
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His words. czcams.com/video/jv66vZJevx8/video.html
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There's the interview where he talks about learning the tricks, and yeah he said he could only do it about 1 out of 10 times. But at least he put the time in to learn it as well as he did, many actors wouldn't do that.
Michael said it was a full routine but he could only nail it 1/10, he called the starburst a "fan". He said he trained with Thell Reed. He made a great Johnny Ringo. They gave depth to his character also by making him smart. When he corrected the Spanish interpreter on the "sick horse" as the pale horse from Revelation that was great. Also it's Hicks from Aliens as Ringo, one of the most badass, larger than life characters ever.
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I agree.
Let's be very clear here. The actor only had a few months to learn how to do that. He doesn't do it for a job. I think you're being to critical in your assessment. Michael Biehn only did the tricks that the director wanted. The director had cuts in the scene that Biehn had no control over. They built the scene to impress the audience, not a gun spinning world champion. I think the director was absolutely successful with the shot
I didn't mean to be critical, I think Michael and the shot are fantastic.
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Listen to what he says during the first 3 minutes of the clip
I met Michael biehn in Tombstone years back...nice man....and, he did a great job spinning that gun
Great video about the scene in the movie. I liked how you broke down the difference between the reality of a live performance and what's possible with editing. I noticed one more thing and wondered about your take on it. From my experience handling and spinning real SAA firearms I had the feeling that Michael Biehn was spinning a aluminum replica that was significantly lighter than the SAA firearm that was depicted in the story. Your thoughts?
HI,
Even without the editing issue, you still have the multiple takes issue. I had a fellow tell me about an interview that Michael did where he said that he could hit those tricks about 1 out of 10 tries. That's about right for a talented actor who is not a professional gun spinner. I just performed with a female gun spinner who uses that move in her routine at least a half dozen times. She hit it every time like it was nothing and her pistols looked weightless. they were 45 cal Cimarron Colts. Pistol Packing Paula.
In my experience, when any trick works, the guns always look weightless. I assume that Michael used either an actual Colt or a blank firing replica. Neither of which is light. I'm just guessing though.
It was a colt frontier in 44-40
Peter Sherayko’s book Tombstone the guns and gear has a great picture of it
I hear that fake guns are often used.
This was a great, informative and fun video. Thanks for posting it. Now in fairness you need to do a breakdown of Doc Hollidays cup spinning routine😂
I had the same idea but they cut his part up so much that there wasn't much to say.
Oh man that is amazing :)
Thanks Jason.
Great Vid!
Thanks
I watched Sammy Davis jr. Doing some fancy gun spinning. He was really good.
Yes he was.
I saw Sammy performing a routine with the longer 7 and a half inch bsrrel Peacemaker, he made it look effortless, its on youtube if you want to see it.
I tried it with a long barreled Remington 1875 l thought the near 8 inch barrel would make it more difficult but l was surprised to find it somewhat easier.
Always enjoy your videos . Very educational. I see on the wall behind you , double rigs hung on hangers . I have never seen them hung that way . Could you do a video on your different rigs , the differences in them and there use. and how they are hung on the wall . 🕺👍
Hi John, Glad you liked it. Thanks for the ideas.
The gun rings hanging on wall you made . Can you make a,video showing haw to make them and measurements.. and information on storage and care of guns and holsters.
Love the wall mount gun belt racks! Did you make those or are they available somewhere?
Thanks Gary. I made them.
enjoyed it when you used to go to Winter Range
Thank You. We loved starting our year at Winter Range. We look forward to coming back.
Big LIKE.
Thank you.
thank you
You're welcome
Michael Biehn learned it on set while filming. Same with Kilmer. Not too bad considering that.
It's fantastic!
I love his stuff I'm just starting out learning is there a group or blog for spinning
There is no group that I know of as we are pretty spread out. My videos are the best compilation. My earlier videos are teaching vids.
Hey loved the video just wanted to put this here that I just watched the scene back in slow motion and what you were talking about with him doing the forward spins into it being cocked into doc’s face and from what it looked like it wasn’t cut he just did one forward spin and caught the hammer on its way up then the camera cut to the wider shot of him aiming at his head
Thanks Mike.
Michela Beihn was a beast though
You Bet!
Can see YOURSELF are pretty skilled, I think you had practiced a LOT With your guns, very well!
Thank you. Yes I have spent a lot of time spinning those guns.
I cannot master the horizontal spin 😢
Thanks for posting this 👍👍 I would also be
Interested in knowing what guns you use ??
Hi, The Horizontal Spin is covered in the second half of the video named
How to Spin Guns II on this channel.
I use the Ruger New Vaquero for all my tricks.
I have difficulty with the forward spin two and then it starts wobbling, but the back spin l can do for a long time, now the starburst l thought would be very hard but found it easy to my surprise, l dont know what it looked lije from a viewers point, but l just tilte my hand and finger back a little and was no way the gun was coming off, l will not even attempt the over the shoulder roll as arthritis and fear of 2.7 lbs of steel hitting me in the head discourages me somewhat lol. 😂
I admire your skills immensely
I have always suspected the spinning routine was sped up, slightly. Seems really fast for a three pound revolver.
What's your thoughts?
That never crossed my mind. But I noticed that in my video, the tricks look slower. I feel like I'm doing them as fast as they should be. Maybe you are right.
@@rhinestoneropers9204 I really do think it was sped up, and if you notice, they added sound effects that really make it sound even faster.
I spin guns, too, and I know that my gun never spins at that speed.
But... as you mentioned, it was still well done and looked awesome in film. 😁
I saw a video on CZcams of Michael Biehn (Ringo’s actor) practicing twirling and if the move was sped up it wasn’t for lack of his ability.
@@Rodgerwilco91 got a link? I can't find it.
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This one?
howdy dan, I was tring to send you a message, but couldnt find how to. admire your skill set. Wanted to ask for an autograph, If at all possible.
Hi Jack, messaging me here is good. Also, my email is Rhinestoneroper@gmail.com
Thanks Dan.
I suddenly have a craving for dominos pizza
I've become a Domino fan myself.
Yes you made very good. points but for the Time period the movie is set in for some one to that good or fancy with gun spinning if there was a competition back, then he would be a pro but no offense but you were being too critical about it compared it to Gun spinning nowadays to back then
I agree. I don't think that spinning was a big thing back then.
I used to practice gun spinning as a kid with some toy cap gun from the 50's that was my dad's when he was a kid. I got pretty proficient with it. Downside is, I broke one side of the hand grip.
I've become good at using epoxy to repair grips.
@@rhinestoneropers9204 I lost the original grip on one side.
Does playing dress up make things better
You Bet!
That's some great shirt there feller.
Thanks Biggus, I designed it and sewed most of it.