Justified: City Primeval is Just Bait & Switch
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2023
- This show is Justified in name only and the only reason anyone even started watching it is because FX baited us all into thinking this was an actual revival of the original and would feature the Raylan Given we all loved.
It's nothing of the sort. It's just the worst kind of bait & switch.
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I think you're totally wrong.
I came for Leonard Elmore and I got Leonard Elmore. It's true they swapped Raylon in for Raymond Cruz but that's not a stretch in that Cruz is pretty much a prototype for Raymond.
The script is really faithful to the book. There's not Hollywood agenda being pushed. They wanted to do another Leonard Elmore story and tied it to Raylon to do it.
@nachonachoman I think the show is Great, the people in the comments are just mad that they didn't get exactly what the were getting before. His take on the majority of the cast being white is incorrect also ( which I don't understand why he would highlight anyway ) most of the screen time has white actors and I'm not complaining. This review seemed like a wonky bitch fest that je didn't get back the original show.
@@jiveturkeylee OP didn't say it. Maybe implied it but there's a narrative going on it sucks because it's infected by wokeness.
I really don't get that. The DA used a woke argument to get a bad person off. And the show isn't saying that's good. In fact, it's showing both the DA and judge, two virtue signalling ppl, being two faced.
I just feel really insulted by this train of thought. Out of all the stories out there, the Leonard verse is the best in terms of not conforming to lazy narratives about ppl. Everybody is not what they seem. And they kept true to that in the adaptation.
What a Flop. I got know idea what kind of Woke bullshit message they pushing at us.
Timothy Olyphant on rural America: ‘I hate to tell you, but racism is alive & well’
Racism is indeed alive and well in all parts of the world. In America, the stereotype is that it happens more often in rural areas just like on Justified. Racists are all over the place though. I live in a moderately big city, and my ex-mother-in-law is the worst kind of racist there is. Every time she drops my daughter off at my house, she tells her to run really fast to the front door so the black family two houses down doesn’t “snatch” her. She’s such an insufferable woman. So yes, there are people who talk like that in this day and age. They may not wear Klan hoods, but they exist, and they are awful.
You actually thought he was cult maga? LOL CRY CRY CRY because the rest of us are tickled that you closed minded people didn't enjoy it!
It's a huge disappointment for anyone hoping for another "Justified".
Wait till the last episode!! They just pulled a bait and switch of a bait and switch. The way they ended it with bringing Boyd back and Boyd escaping jail. They bringing it back to Kentucky for next season baby!!!!! Yeehhaaaa
@bobhunt4402 agreed
@@DrSuess360yep. Absotively.
So...I watched the final three episodes on your recommendation... You owe me three hours of my life back. ;) hahaha
Seriously though, I'm gonna' make a third and final video on this show which will be release Monday at Noon central time now that I'm all done. Um...I have thoughts. haha
Hope you swing back and check it out! I didn't like it, but I am glad I finished now though...so thanks for that, really. MAB
@@DrSuess360Don't listen to this person, they just want you to suffer as they did.
I never thought that I would be finishing a Justified series out of a feeling of obligation but here we are.
Exactly how I feel! If this was anything else I'd have bailed even before Episode 5, but my sense of loyalty to the first series is making me stick around to see it through. That said, there's NO WAY I'll start a second season of this if hey somehow think of going forward. but who knows...we're getting a second season of both Velma AND She-Hulk, so making terrible TV content seems to be all the rage at this point. haha Thanks, MAB
What they did in the past doesn’t mean you have to go out of your way for them now. They are here to entertain you, not for you to entertain the idea of watching them screw around. I promise you, you have better things to watch and do.
That's right where I am. It's not a pleasure, it's a task.
I absolutely agree. 💯
When they first announced, Justified Primeval City, I was cautiously excited. I wanted to see Raylan return as the charismatic, badass, intelligent, sharp shooting marshal that we all know and love.
The first two episodes seemed as if we were going to get classic Raylan, just a little older and wiser, but they quickly used the old bait and switch.
Carolyn became the main focus, Clement is on the same level as the Crowes (what is with the kimono and underwear?), and of course, we have to be reminded of racism every 10 minutes.
Raylan has gotten about 10-15 minutes screen time every episode. The only reason the title says Justified is for the built-in in fan base, because they know that no one would watch it without Raylan.
This has been highly disappointing, but honestly, what should I have expected? They have done it will many major IP's like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, and recent Marvel.
Fortunately, there is the original series that I can return to and watch anytime to get both a little Raylan and a perfect tv show!! 😁
All of that, yes. haha
Funny you mention there's always the original series because I'm starting the script for the next video all about the need to collect hard copies of media rather than relying on these various studios or companies to stream them to you, because they are proving that they're perfectly happy to alter them or memory hole them all together.
Thanks for the comment! MAB
I've watched every episode so far. I think it was supposed to be a fish out of water premise but if so, it's failed. They're taking a two-episode story and stretching it out to cover a season. Raylan has zero chemistry with any of the main characters. Why is he sleeping with Carolyn Wilder? There's no intimacy between the two of them, no trust, no spark of mutual attraction. The show is pretty much a lot of Raylan walking around being frustrated, which I can relate to with this series.
That's what happens when creators jam in a character that wasn't supposed to be there. This just isn't Leonard's story anymore because instead of having the local Detroit detective on the case being the Raylan character, you have Raylan sleepwalking in his place. None of it feel right.
I agree, I think that's what they were going for, but as much as I love Raylan as a character (from the original) I think he already WAS that back in Harlan, if that makes sense. Him returning after having "got out" made him different.
Hell, this is almost like watching another movie with Olyphant in it and pretending it's Raylan! Like, "If you wanted to know what Raylan would have been like had he been a porn producer, you need to watch The Girl Next door!" BTW, he was awesome in that and it's a movie that's WAY better than it should be. haha
I like Raylan back in Kentucky...;) Thanks a bunch for the comment! MAB
Dude went from Winona to Eva to crazy bar maid then to big Mike?😵💫 DEI💩 They should have said they aren't cheerleading for viewers. Pure crap.
I am thinking the same thing. Six episodes, and Rylan hasn't killed anyone! I am from Detroit, and I like the connection to the city. Rylan has enough connection to Detroit that it could have been good. This show sucks. And the sound quality sucks.
Being from Detroit and a Justified fan I had high hopes but this ain't it, and now that I know he wasn't in the book it makes sense why he doesn't fit in the show
Makes you wanna' read the book now, doesn't it? I'd like to see what Elmore Leonard's actual vision was for this story before they smashed Raylan into it. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Read it! I think it's his best. Justified's creative team agrees. Only a small skeleton of the original book remains in this miniseries.
If you want to make a great tv series go down the drain...make it woke! The original had so much charm. The history and relationship between Raylon Givens and Boyd Crowder was so much fun to watch. Raylon's love interests go from sexy Ava Crowder and Winona to a middle aged, fat, unattractive lawyer with zero chemistry. What was the deal with the out of shape villain walking around in his fruit of the loom underwear??? This was a disaster on every level. Total garbage!!!
Agreed on pretty much all counts. However, any fan of Justified should read the original source novel, City Primeval: High Noon in Detroit. I think it might be Leonard's best (and it was the favorite of the Justified writers). Before the opening chapter is over, you'll see why it would never get the green light for production today unless they had made radical changes.
I'm eager to read it now! I've half way gone through the Fire in the Hole Novella but need to finish that as well. Definite changes there as well. Thanks, MAB
Wanted to like the new series but stopped watching partway through episode six. Not the least bit believable or interesting.
To atone for his past sins, Raylan had to spend half an episode simping for Weezy Jefferson.
Holy hell...that IS who she looks like! hahahahaha... Well done. Thanks, MAB
That's unfair to Weezy. She was never as obnoxious as the lawyer.
Thank you so much for your "honest" review. Too many others have given this crap undeserved praise! This show sucks big time! I'm surprised that Timothy Olyphant read the script and still choose to go forward with this crap! I'm seriously disappointed!
You're very welcome, thanks! Have they really? Huh...I haven't gone looking for any, and to be honest I'm not sure that any of the channels I personally follow have ever mentioned Justified at all, so I may have missed that. I will say that the message board I have frequented for nearly twenty years had a thread on it, and even THEY mostly hated it, and that group can usually be counted on for liking damn near everything for one reason or another. haha
Maybe if I didn't love the original I could stomach this...but nah. I stopped after this episode and I'm fairly sure I'm done.
I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment and I hope you enjoy the rest of the channel. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby yes, I've searched "Justified Primal City sucks" on CZcams and found very little negative reviews. However, Googling the same has turned up more responses to reality. Either way, I'm a fan of Justified from the original airing of the series, and I have binge watched the series at least 5 times. When I saw the previews for Justified City Primal, I had my doubts. I only got as far as two shows of the new series, and could stomach no more. Sorry to say that my negative concerns were justified. I will keep this thrash disconnected from the original work of art.
It sucks. Hard.
Its too much virtue signaling for me
You didn't watch the show if you're saying this.
After 8 episodes, Raylan -the gun slinger- fired his gun at someone once (well, 3 times, but at the same dude), and he regret that so much he had to retire from the Marshall's Service.
Raylan, the guy who shot and killed a perp from the back, and just said "If you wanted me to shoot you in the front, you shoulda run towards me", turned in his badge because he felt bad about shooting at a known criminal, a murderer, the guy who wrecked havoc in a city for weeks, had threatened his daughter, and was on his current (although not fitting) girlfriend's house to kill her.
Raylan Givens, the angriest man in Kentucky, felt it wasn't justified to shoot the known murderer on an on-going killing spree because on that particular occasion, the psycho killer facing him across a dark room reached for a mixed tape instead of the gun he was 100% positively packing.
This might be still worth it if it leads to a real good, actual revival mini-series of Justified. Y'know, the one with the real Raylan.
I'm just glad I pirated this. If it leads to anything worthwhile, I'll consider buying it.
Sure, but that old Raylan should have never been the hero we all liked...at least that seems to be the message. ;)
The guy that shot Tommy Buck after giving him 24 hours to leave town, who shot Ty Walker in the back and then made a quip about it, who literally never stopped unholstering his sidearm or daring people to draw theirs on him...suddenly got weepy at killing this clown? Yeah...this was never Raylan.
As for a legit revival, can you imagine the balls on the production team to wait until about 15 minutes left in this season/series to show us what COULD HAVE been an actual reason to revive the original series? After running fans off week after week, they do that? The hubris is noteworthy for sure. Thanks, MAB
Such a trashy pile of BS they pulled in Episode 5………. Probably my last
I think it culminated for me then...but I was unhappy from pretty early on. I'm a completist by nature so I hate leaving a show unfinished, so I'll likely finish it now that I'm this far in...
But this is NOT Justified, in any way. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby I agree
I haven’t gotten around to even starting it, but I’m curious what happened in ep 5?
@@ComedyBros5 doesn’t bother everyone……. Just some
@@prmath What do you mean?
I agree, this is mostly forgettable.
I'm not necessarily wanting a shootout every week or violence but they're is no charm, humor, and not enough law enforcement wit at all. Unfortunately it appears TO is fully behind it all as well.
Olyphant is an EO for the show, which is probably what they needed to give him to get him back. Well, that and allowing him to bring his daughter to work with him in those first few episodes. haha
Had a follower comment earlier that much of the plot is true to the novel, just that Raylan has been forced into the role of another character and that this other character basically acts the way Raylan does here, which is to say not much like the Raylan we remember.
Yeah, this was one I was REALLY looking forward to, so it stings a bit. MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby I don't think the casting of Carolyn was faithful to the book and the writing didn't help with believability. All this overweight, bitchy, lady had to do was share some booze with him and he automatically jumps into bed with her. Lol. I guess Mags just didn't have the right timing then (she was nicer to Raylan). This was just horrible casting by the producers.
Perhaps this shortened run made it easier to get their little agendas satisfied without too much thought to the overall entertainment value, thinking all they to do was use an Elmore Leonard story with TO, Boyd, and some of the same writers and the stupid masses would just swallow this BS. IMO hubris and maybe a lack of Graham Yost QC involvement kinda ruined what could have been a much better show.
@@themiddleagedbaby Raymond Cruz from the novel was actually a proto-Raylan Givens and a LOT more like the Raylan we know and love than the ball-clipped "Raylan" we have now. Even his daughter made him promise to "Do Better" but the words came out of his own mouth so it wasn't quite as shudder-inducing as when they did it with New Captain America and some Senator. City Primeval was an intense cat and mouse game between a cop and a criminal. We've had none of that. So the producers not only managed to suck the heart and soul out of Justified, they did it to the source material as well. And they claim that's what modern audiences want, as if 2023 is really so far away from 2015. Epic fail. Will never think about this show again.
I LOVED Justified.
I have NFI what this steaming pile of 💩💩💩 is, but it's like a cop show the She-Hulk writing team would make.
Raylan, who fancies slim, southern blondes, hooks up with a woman 50lbs heavier than him that he's meant to be protecting, WTF ???
And it's BORING, so incredibly BORING ! There's ZERO suspense, zero direction and zero excitement.
Boyd Holbrook might as well be playing a Mormon librarian he's so dull.
So DISAPPOINTED....😩
Yeah I haven’t made it through episode 2 but damn if I’m not bored out of my mind.
@@_Snafu_ Don't waste your time, it just keeps getting worse, especially with Willa..... urrrgghhh 😩
great vid, agree it was terrible.
1. neutered raylan is boring
2. relationship doesn't remotely work
3. daughter was terribly written.
a. unlikely this is Raylan and Winona's parenting outcome. Rebellious ok but just naive, whiny, and not street smart - nah, that's not it.
b. if you have to go this way then it could still work if she starts annoying and develops, cool. if she's this character briefly in 1-2 episodes in the middle, cool. but starting annoying and then just disappearing is flat dumb writing. it's a bunch of pivotal screen time that is just wasted.
4. bad guy doesn't work, he's just established as totally bad then it goes if anything to backwards to kinda dumb and basic. so leads to no emotional payoff in the end.
5. mob was lame
6. detroit law enforcement was lame.
a. raylan drives around with the one guy Wendell for the beginning and that goes nowhere.
b. tough guy has what one/two moments but otherwise is completely flat character.
c. maureen or whatever her name was had some interesting elements but none of it paid off because there wasn't any coherence.
7. spent a lot of time on Sandy that really didn't contribute much to the story in the end.
8. audio, visual was weak. it's 2023 you can film gritty, dark scenes and still make it look good. just rip off michael mann aesthetic and this would have been way better.
9. should have kept Keith David around longer, that Judge Guy character was an actual Justified type character.
10. just boring, Real Justified had excellent pacing and story telling. Justified is totally rewatchable, this was hard to watch one time.
Well hell...not much I can add here. Well done!
Appreciate you leaving the comment and adding to the discussion. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby hey appreciate the vid on it....just sucks when it seems like the answer is obvious and they make something like this. Like there was a workable framework there and then they just emphasized the completely wrong things. Most of the actors have talent and even did well in their role, the roles just sucked and it was just wasted. Very disappointing and beyond that it's just puzzling. You are right with bait and switch. It was all hat and no raylan.
@@kheldaryt You're very welcome. Yeah, it just felt like a completely wasted opportunity all around. If it wasn't linked to Justified, I'd have maybe watched and then shrugged and moved on. Crassly attaching Justified to it was where they go my attention...😉😂 Thanks, MAB
I loved justified and i was let down by this. Its just another cop show. You are right, i was waiting to find out that the big bad was Duffys son. Never happened.
Commenting again after you brought up the pig of a defense attorney who is a racist black woman. Great take. Subscribed.
Damn, that could have been a fun twist! Yeah...there is no connection AT ALL to the original series. The mash-up of those things makes no sense unless you cynically realize it's just to lure you in based on you love of the former show.
It's not that there couldn't have been a revival of the series...but it would have taken a story that felt like the first series. Perhaps maybe something else was going on in Kentucky and Raylan had to go back again. Art has retired and Rachal is now officially Chief. Tim has now stepped up and is the lead Marshal. And because the crime is Kentucky related, Raylan finds himself having to visit Boyd in federal prison from time to time (the way he visited Dickie Bennet occasionally) for some insight as to what's going on.
Now, I LOVED the ending of the original series and pretty much hate when people can't let a story end...but something along these lines could have been done and at least it would have felt true to "Justified." Thanks, MAB
Damn, thanks...appreciate that.
Oh boy...I wanted to bring her up in the first video I did on the show but sort of ran out of space, so there was no way I wasn't mentioning it in the second one. Yup, she's awful in every measurable way. And nearly everyone would have seen this a few years ago, and there's NO WAY they'd have hooked him up with anyone like that in the original series because it would have made no sense. We're gonna' watch him go from Winona to Carolyn Wilder? BWAHAHA!
Aside from being incredibly sexy, Winona was flirty, fun, a bit crazy, pushed all of Raylan's buttons, and always looked at Raylan like the sun rose and set in his eyes, even when she couldn't be around him. And as much as she treated him poorly, you could always see WHY Raylan didn't want to let go. Wilder is none of that, and she's awful to Raylan, and not in some flirty way. The only way this makes any sense is if they wanted to make a point...and given much of the ex-husband's dialog and her complete lack of response to being upset by it, I think we all head it loud and clear.
Glad to have you on board, and if you enjoyed this you may look back at some of the older video that toy around with similar topics and let me know what you think. Thanks, MAB
Here's the bottom line on "Justified: City Primeval" - If THAT had been the original "Justified", there would never have been a second season.
That's 100% true. That Raylan could have never become an iconic character. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Out of that whole miniseries, there were 10 good minutes - Boyd's prison escape at the end. :)
@@BogartSlap Yup...and even that was just weak sauce fan service. If I had known that's all there'd be, I'd have requested they let the originals series as is.
I'm actually a little surprised they didn't tease that before the season started just to keep people watching.🤣 Imagine how pissed people would have been thinking we'd see Boyd most of the season only to have him right there at the end? Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby And having Walton Goggins show up - even for just a very few minutes - just made it more painfully obvious how weak the villain was in this miniseries, as compared to Boyd Crowder. I saw a comment someplace where someone said that the primary villain here was only on the level of, like, Dewey Crowe in the original series - haha. Anyway, thanks for doing this review - as I commented earlier, you nailed it all the way down the line - and there was a lot to nail, since this thing sucked seven ways from Sunday.
@@BogartSlap Well, I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Sincerely. I like doing them a lot, and while I'm happy with the content of all the videos I've done thus far, listening to the earlier ones now the pacing was off and kind of low energy... I think I've got something going now.😉
As for Mansell, yeah...with no backstory he's basically just a henchman, right? He'd have been an enforcer for Boyd, who actually had plans and schemes. Sort of the way Boys folded Darrell Crowe, Jr. into his pack in the 5th season.
And yeah...seeing Boyd again hurt more than it made me feel good seeing him again. Ugh... Thanks, MAB
I like Olyphant but he is saying they don't "cheerlead for law enforcement" when he is almost 20 years into the career launched by Deadwood and went from Sheriff to Marshall. 😂
How did Justified cheerlead law enforcement? Setting up that guy at the end of season 4 should have gotten Raylan jail time. If it wouldn't, why was Art so mad when he found out?
Edit: he mentioned this in the video. Guess I should finish before commenting. Anyway, does anybody remember anything Oliphant did besides Deadwood and Justified?
I have watched three different Movies this last week and they all represent exactly what you just mentioned..................The 2023 ''Messaging'' is so blatant it messes totally with the ability to enjoy the Movie. Movies are suppose to be an Escape...................but somehow you feel trapped by the Daily Messages following you into your down Time.
Out of curiosity, which movies?
But yeah, I'm not saying that there weren't movies or TV shows which had messaging in them...there were. But it wasn't nearly ALL of them ALL the time. Entertainment was largely escapism. Now it's become propaganda in the literal sense.
As I've said before, my issues with City Primeval have far more to do with them sticking Raylan into a story in which he has no business and then calling it "Justified" to get people to watch, but without that yes...the 2023 messaging rings loud and true. It's tiring for sure.
Appreciate the comment, thanks. MAB
This was clearly meant as a launching vehicle for Olyphant's daughter (with her social/political views). It blows. Were there any of the original writers working on this steaming mess?
Not sure on any count, but given the daughter doesn't show up again it definitely feels like, "Bring your daughter to work" day at the studio at the very least. ;) MAB
This review is spot on,. City Primeval is utter garbage and totally disgusting.
Thanks, appreciate the comment. Yeah, pretty disappointed in this one unfortunately. MAB
You said it! The latest episode is crap! Not what we were expecting. I wouldn’t have had a problem with Raylan hooking up with an attractive black attorney. One that fits his previous standards. Like you said, they were all hot! Rachel in season one would have been more believable and I really thought that was going to happen actually. Aside from that, the villains so far are terrible as well. No depth to their characters or any other characters either. I doubt we will continue watching this.
Exactly... I wanted to cut that off at the pass since I assumed that would be the lazy response from some, but that's exactly right. It had ZERO to do with race and everything to do with being a terrible match. Raylan has a track record, and the DA falls so far outside of that there needs to be some sort of explanation as to why this would suddenly take place. There was none. It's not like she was super awesome or funny or helping Raylan and happened to be less attractive. She's awful to him, and also unattractive in comparison to his other past loves. To me, this creams 2023 where "super models" look nothing like they did...and by that I mean in shape and beautiful.🤣 This is all about celebrating this, and if you dare speak out YOU'RE the problem.
And yeah, in putting together the videos it's incredible going back and watching scenes with the various criminals we saw in the original. Hell, I didn't even mention dickie Bennet, but what a fantastic character he was! This isn't a question of not yet having had enough time to flesh them out...they're just not that deep. I don't know if that's a result of Leonard's novel being that way (I haven't read it) or the way it's been written for screen. Either way, this is all paint by numbers stuff with the JUSTIFIED logo slapped on it and Raylan making guest appearances form time to time. Ugh...
Anyway, appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thanks, MAB.
There was no Raylan Givens in City Primeval.
Okay get ready for a little novel here...on the novel.
I don't agree with everything you say here BUT I do think you make some good points, and there is something else relevant you're missing:
Not only is it not a satisfying "Justified" follow-up, *It isn't even a good adaptation of "City Primeval: High Noon in Detroit". The message of this show and the message of Leonard's novel are completely different!
First, let's just start with something simple. The Judge who Mansell kills in this version of "City Primeval" is kind of an asshole. The Judge from the book though? He's not only corrupt, not only kind of an asshole and kind of crass, he is an openly racist, misogynistic piece of garbage. And he's still black.
So that's one thing. But let's go a step further and get to the ending. Mansell's death scene.
The death scenes play out almost word for word exactly the same except that the detective is Cruz, not Raylan, Carolyn doesn't show up as a witness, and Mansell pulls out a bottle opener...except that the meaning of the respective scenes is COMPLETELY different!
Let's take a look at the final page of the book:
...
Clement was staring at him, eyes glazed, clouding over. “You call EMS?”
“I called the Wayne County Morgue.”
Clement continued to stare, dazed, eyes unblinking.
Raymond could hear street sounds very faintly, far away.
Clement said, “I don’t believe it... what did you kill me for?”
Raymond didn’t answer. Maybe tomorrow he'd think of something he might have said. After a little while Raymond picked up the opener from the desk and began paring the nail of his right index finger with the sharply pointed hooked edge.
...
Do you see the difference? Raylan reacts to his shooting of Mansell with shock and horror. The implication, followed by the reveal in the epilogue that Raylan quits the Marshal service, is that though it is defensible, the shooting wasn't justified by his moral code, and that the Marshal service thinks it was is a reason for Raylan to get out.
The framing in the book is COMPLETELY different. In the show, when Mansell says "What did you kill me for?" this seems to really get to Raylan. In the book, Cruz is COMPLETELY unbothered by this! In fact he's so totally unbothered he starts filing his nails with the item that Mansell pulled out of his pocket.
With that context in mind, it changes how we view the narrator telling us that Raymond didn't say anything, and would think of something tomorrow. It's not that he was so shaken by Mansell's words he couldn't speak. It's that Mansell did so damn much that deserved killing for he didn't know where to start - so instead he signals as clearly as he can that he does not feel guilty at all for taking out a mad dog like Mansell. And the death is poetic justice - Mansell, who keeps slipping out of events that should kill him by rights, dies when he does something that really should NOT result in his death.
City Primeval the book was about how a good cop in a broken down system ultimately realized that if nobody else was going to take out this lunatic, he had to do it himself. You know, sort of like *the original High Noon*. The ending isn't tragic, it's poetic justice.
City Primeval the show was about how a good cop in a broken system ultimately realizes that there's no salvaging that system and he has no choice but to quit. And the show can't even stick with THAT message, since they obviously bait Raylan coming out of retirement again at the end of the show.
I'd LOVE to see a real adaptation of the original book, but this wasn't it.
Having just finished the book, there are more shocking changes:
- Carolyn is described as a bombshell. She is also completely outmanipulated by Mansell who threatens 6,000 dollars out of her
- There is no subplot of Carolyn becoming a judge
- The corruption angle of the Detroit police department is COMPLETELY GONE! Like completely
- Surprise surprise, Sweety isn't gay. He has a girlfriend and even seems to consider himself something like a born-again Christian.
- There is more to the change in the ending. After the Albanians lock up Mansell, it's Cruz who lets him out, then challenged Mansell to the shootout in the apartment he and Sandy were waiting in.
It seems that Cruz decided that if the law wasn't going to allow him to bring in Mansell he wanted to take Mansell out himself, but in a way that he considered more honorable than locking him up or starving him to death.
I cannot emphasize to you enough how much better the book is. It's darker, funnier, edgier, and smarter. The shows completely butchers it.
First, thanks a ton for the long response. It added a bunch to the discussion here, so thanks!
Second, I've yet to read the novel, so what I know about it is what I've learned from views here, so the more info the merrier. I've already tracked down a 1st edition hardcopy of the novel I'm about the order, because the only thing this show may me want to do it read that and stop watching this.
Third, thanks to the comment section I finished the final 3 episodes and that'll be my next video which will release Monday at Noon central. Suffice it to say, the final three episodes only may me dislike this show more.
That said, I love your take on the difference between Cruz and Raylan and that change in Raylan is EXACTLY what the show runners have been doing to him all season and it was my exact feeling as it happened in the show, though I was unaware of the difference in the novel. He's been used an avatar for what they see as bad policing, so OF COURSE for the first time in his career he'd feel remorse for what otherwise was a "justified" shoot. It allows them to show him as "to blame" as all other cops. If you bookend the first shooting of the series, him gunning down Tommy Bucks in Miami after telling him he was and forcing Bucks to pull on him so he could, to the Mansell shoot (the first time Raylan fired his sidearm all season) you can see how they've removed the hero status from him. It's appalling to do this to an established character.
I'll be doing a third video on this season now that I've finished the final three episodes and I hope you check it out. Will go live on Monday at Noon central (fingers crossed.) Thanks a bunch for the comments! MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Like I want to be very clear that the original book is in no way, shape, or form about corruption in the Detroit police. That plotline is simply not a part of it. It's actually making the "Dirty Harry" argument that regulations from - let's just be frank - left-wing bleeding hearts is allowing criminals to go free so sometimes the only thing good men can do is take them out personally.
I couldn't finish the first episode
It was all written with 2023 in mind
Just yuck!
Didn’t even bother after the first two episodes. Just more “current year” dog vomit.
Completely understandable...and yeah there was a bunch of "current thing" for sure. Thanks, MAB
I read a comment elsewhere that said, "I was ready to stop watching this garbage by the 4th episode, but I forced myself to sit through the rest, hoping it would somehow manage to get better. - Unfortunately, it never did."
I can not understand why this show did not allow raylan to be a hero. It just made me feel sad seeing him old and tired 😂
It's the "New Thing," man!
See: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones, etc... There is this weird desire to neuter these prototypical masculine heroes. The only one recently that bucked this trend was Maverick from Top Gun, (or Ethan Hunt from the Mission Impossible movie) and that's solely because Tom Cruise is running that entire show at this point and he's CLEARLY not interested in being anyone grandad on screen. Left in someone else's hands or if you had an actor with less ego, Top Gun would have been all about "passing the torch" to the new hot shot who puts Maverick in his place and show him everything we liked about his character from the first movie was problematic. ;)
It's crazy, really. Creators are hellbent on digging up olde properties because they're afraid of trying to create anything new because the public may reject it, and yet when they DO dig them up they alter them entirely and/or go out of their way to destroy what the very fans they need to come watch their rebooted piece of crap loved about the original. And they do this over and over again...and seem surprised each time as fans walk away. Thanks, MAB
Awwwww, maaaaaaan!
You know, I was a huge fan of the series.
When it came up to buy on Apple TV, I thought about it and thought about it and said, “I know I’m going to regret this,” and I hit, “Buy Season.”
Haven’t watched it.
Was letting the episodes pile up.
Thank you for keeping me from wasting my time.
PLEASE tell me the "Aw man," was a shot at Darrel Crowe, Jr's nonstop use of that!!! To this day I'll do that at home just to piss everyone off. haha
Yeah, I wish I could give you better news. I mean, I'm sure there are those that love it...but I'm not sure how if they love the first series. It really is Justified in name only, and Raylan is barely the same guy and even more of that is simply Olyphant being so charming that occasionally he says something that makes you remember this character was once really REALLY cool. Thanks, MAB
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😂😂😂😂
Yeah it was.
I knew it would be a bait and switch, but compulsive gambling made me buy it.
Justified was such a great show too.
Olyphant must be hurting for money to let that happen.
I knew as soon as it was placed in Detroit what we were in for. Couldn't finish the first episode and I won't be back
My dad and I just finished the first Series in time for the new "Reboot"...I wanted to make sure we didn't waste our time. I got duped when they switched out He-Man for Tela. Didn't want to deal with that feeling again so...THANKS for the heads up. I dodged a w0ke bullet. 🤘
Yeah, the original is simply a classic with one of the greatest series finales of all time. I wish this remotely lived up to it, but I'm sorry to say I don't think it does. Thanks, MAB
In lead up to this show, I rewatched the first series backwards cuz I never watched the last season for some reason, I was so disappointed by this show I rewatched Justified AGAIN lol, you can say what you want about the first Season, but from the jump, Justified was ALWAYS an entertaining bad ass show, like I don't think I could say there is one truly BAD episode, I even look back fondly on the episodes with the dentist or the Hitler Collector very fondly.
This show was brutal, like, if anything Raylan, I believe Raylan was pretty explicitly shown to be disgusted by racism in the original. SO I can understand the lawyer going after the guy in the cowboy hat as racist, sure, but for Raylan to just sit there and take it, like for real? Its basically the oppoisite of Justified, like, he actually doesnt feel like he was justified anymore.
Thank you! The fact that he dated the ugly, overweight, rude woman ruined my interest of the character. I kept thinking “what is his problem?” Walking into any Wendy’s or Starbucks, I could choose three different women that are more attractive AND interesting to talk to.
Add to this, the actress playing his daughter was annoying. If she had been killed my a criminal, I wouldn’t feel a single 1% of sadness (and probably have a smile on my face).
This isn’t Raylan, and the addition of the beautiful ex-wife and main villain (Goggins) at the end doesn’t pull me in. I AM DONE!
Thanks to the comment section here I got talked into finishing and I'm glad I did, because now I can sleep better knowing I was 100% right in my initial analysis of this show! haha
If you thought Carolyn was unattractive in full makeup and power suits, imagine her sans makeup and all wet in a tub with her hair askew as Raylan bathes her. Nope...never got that scene with Natalie Zea as Winona or Joelle Carter as Ava, but yes...we get it here. Thanks a lot, FX...you assholes.
Now if you'll excuse, I'm imagining Winona and Ava in a tub after a long day of pillow fighting. Thanks, MAB
Even passing over the question of her attractiveness (or lack thereof), she was just the total antithesis of Raylan's type as shown in the original series - and the idea of him being attracted to her was even less plausible given the fact that she was mostly working for the bad guy for much of the series.
But, basically, yeah - That relationship? - I wanted to vomit the first time it showed them in bed together. The level of "wokeness" that permeated throughout this miniseries was truly nauseating. And hey, weren't they culturally insensitive to Albanians? :)
I am really considering not finishing it and just watching the original on Hulu. Because we are not going to really see raylan again 😢
You and me both, Ms. Cookie. Thanks, MAB
6:41 Yes. Yes! YES! Hell yes, your point here is 100 percent accurate and on fucking point.
I was dreading the reveal of them sleeping together ever since they teased it in the trailer. I was praying to god that I was just misreading the scene from the trailer and they weren't really gonna sleep together, but I was wrong and the scene where they did sleep together confirmed to me that the show had killed itself.
This show had a LOT of problems, but Raylan's relationship with that woman is certainly one of the big ones.
And to add something else, the only good part of the show, or at least the only part I enjoyed, was the last five fucking minutes when Boyd showed up. At least Boyd still acts like Boyd and his girl is actually attractive. It also doesn't hurt that Walton is an amazing actor who was born to play Boyd Crowder.
Agreed on all counts. I was telling my wife and son from the minute they were on screen together, "You realize Raylan's gonna' sleep with her, right?" They both thought I was insane...then pretty much gave in when she brought him the bourbon while he was sitting in his car outside her house. When the 6th episode opened, I just paused it and said, "See...I told you so." haha It was just so out of character for Raylan. Oh , not sleeping with women he shouldn't given his role as a Marshal, but sleeping with an unattractive woman. Made no sense, and it was clear this was one of the MANY changes they made to the book to push today's social messaging.
And yeah, Boyd was Boyd. Truth is, I could watch a show where basically nothing happens except Raylan and Boyd talking to each other for 30 minutes and episode. ;) MAB
Ya, the social messaging really hurt this show. It and the writing were really hurting it. I wonder if the problem was that Graham Yost wasn't back as the show's developer? He was only in a production role this time, I believe. And to what degree of control he had over the show is up for debate, but probably minimal.
Based on the audio commentary of the old show, it took multiple talented people, all debating and putting ideas in the pot, to make the old show, but Yost always seemed to be at the center of it all. Well, him and Tim (Tim more when it came to the Raylan character, but still.) @@themiddleagedbaby
@@Frank_West Oh, I agree. There's a "making of" video floating around where Michael Dinner talks about how Raylan finds himself in a different world (or something) but he's not referring to Detroit versus Kentucky, but the time period. The video then cuts to the first scene with Raylan in the courthouse being accused of mistreating a black man based on his race. The message is clear. Couple that with Tim Olyphant saying that the show doesn't cheerlead for Law Enforcement, missing the fact that's ALL IT DID in the first one, and it becomes clear they had an entirely different purpose this go 'round than they did in the original series.
Everything has become an Afterschool Special, where the "moral" constantly and obnoxiously slaps you in the face over and over. There's no subtlety...it's all sledgehammers. Thanks, MAB
YESSSSSS THANK YOU 👏👏
You're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video and hope you stick around. Thanks, MAB
Full admission...I've never watched the show. However, this change does not surprise me. I keep wondering if Hollywood is ever going to snap back into some kind of 'normalcy', but I'm not holding my breath these days. The 'social-engineering' will continue as long as these media corporations keep thinking that it is their solemn 'duty' to re-make society into something they think we should be like...Wokeness is the new religion (minus actually believing in God) in the West. They get to preach their 'gospel' at the rest of us, but we are not allowed to 'notice' it, or else we will get labelled or cancelled...Good times indeed! Can someone PLEASE invent the Flux Capacitor, like NOW!....
I keep hearing people suggest we're reaching a tipping point, and I think they're crazy. Unless and until these companies go back to caring about maximizing profits over social engineering, this will continue. This is largely because for a while now they've been hiring activists which have taken over larger and larger portions of their workforce, and activists care very little about the overall health of the company. They care about their activism. See Bud Light's suicide as an example of what one activist can do to a company when she cares more about an agenda than catering to their actual paying customers.
Now I'll say, my issues here have far more to do with the creators watering down a beloved character and using the old show's fanbase to sell this entirely different show. Not to say that the tone hasn't lurched leftward...it has, but there are far worse examples, and I've pointed out many in previous video which you might check out. ;)
For instance, I'll be talking about the new Snow White abomination on Monday! haha
Glad to have you here and hope you enjoy the videos. Thanks for taking the time to comment. MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Ha! Can't wait for your Snow White commentary ;) For a guy who just started a YT channel not very long ago, you seem like a seasoned pro! Keep up the great work!
@@micahm9274 Sorry for the late response...helping move my oldest into an on-campus college apartment all day. 😅
Damn, I love hearing that...thanks a ton! I've tried to have the channel look like a "going concern" since day one, so I'm glad it seems that way. I definitely think they've gotten better as I've sharpened the delivery of things, but I'm still learning what makes a good YT thumbnail for instance. It's baffling! If you see them changing, that's just me going back and trying things to simplify them because apparently that helps...who knows!
And yup...Snow White will be Monday at 7P. Writing script tomorrow and recording and editing Monday. Trying not to tread the same ground as others, though I've purposely not watched any of the channels I follow who have already talked about this so I might be inevitable!
Hope to see you back, and I appreciate the kind words. MAB
I could not agree more. You hit every point I have been carrying around in my head since the first episode, except one.... his daughter cannot act. Yeah, she's young, so she could get better, but right now she is bad. After just binge watching all three seasons of Mr. Inbetween on HULU, and seeing how great a young actress can be, this was a shock.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! MAB
Just watch Kaitlyn Dever in season 2 of Justified and you get a night and day difference.
Hell Yeah. I couldn't say it any better, just more aggressive and pissed off. Today's movie just suck, period. Negative Social Change Mental Imprinting by those now in charge. Screw them. They have their day coming. Thanks for the video. Take care.
You're very welcome and I appreciate the kind words! Thanks, MAB
I quit watching this midway through the fourth episode.
I feel dirty, even watching three episodes.
I don't understand why anyone with any love for the original series could continue to watch.
I'm not interested in seeing Justified again, after this dross, and I don't think I'll watch anything with Timothy Olyphant again, as he's proven with this show that he is a willing DEI stooge.
That's pretty hardcore, but I respect it. I'll forever rewatch the original series though...
As for Olyphant, this is only an assumption on my part but it's based on who he's had on the previous show and who his friends are. I think one of his best friends in the world is Conan O'Brien, who's not exactly right-wing. And if you remember from the originals series, Constable Bob, was played by Patton Oswalt who's a raging lefty. On the other hand, Chief Art Mullen was played by Nick Searcy who's the furthest thing from that and a hilarious follow on Twitter. So who knows...
That said, he grew up a California guy and a swimmer at USC. The cowboy thing is really just acting...so I'd assume he's likely on board with most of the progressive push. Thanks, MAB
Timothy Olyphant really wanted to make a standalone 'City Primeval' movie, but the execs pitched it to him as a Justified tie-in so he went with it.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. I'd assume if he was interested in doing it as a movie he envisioned himself as the Detective Cruz character, which has "issues" of its own in 2023... Either way, I'd have much preferred an accurate, probably period piece, version of the Leonard original than to what we got. Thanks, MAB
A couple days later after the finale......I really did hate how they ended it. Theres another show I watch called "top boy" its carred by the weight of a new character(jamie) then they end up killing that character off, to return to the status quo of the original series. Its maddening to me.
Even worse, City Primeval took place in the early 1980's in grimy Detroit. But featuring that timeframe, and writing another kickass tribute to the greatest American crime writer of all time, wouldn't be an effective messaging update for MODERN AUDIENCES.
Also Elmore Leonard did write the novel, RAYLAN, after the show Justified was on for a couple of years, I believe. I wonder why the producers didn't look at that novel as possible source material. Raylan did also appear in RIDING THE THE RAP and PRONTO but they were already done as HBO movies with James LeGross as Raylan in one of them. I know the original series was based on the short story, FIRE IN THE HOLE.
Yeah, all this show did was make me want to go back and read Leonard's work...most of which I'm unfamiliar with. I knew enough about Fire in the Hole to know Raylan kills Boyd at the end and that the series premiere was basically the novella. From there they took bits and pieces from Riding the Rap and Pronto (I think) and sprinkled stuff throughout the series.
Now like I said in my most recent video, I'll need to go track down old hard copies of the novels to keep! ;) Thanks, MAB
The love intrest was awful. I dont want to comment on looks, but the chemistry on screen was not there.
Bingo! I felt exactly the same way. The actress did a great job with the material she had, and it was much better in almost every other scene she was in and with almost every other character (especially Sweetie, who was the most interesting character in this series).
But no chemistry with Raylan. It just felt forced.
@@RabbiSteve I totally agree....once you see raylan talk to his ex wife it clicks right away what a waste of time the fling was. Also the actor who plays sweetie is ben urich. He always gets casted to die in roles. A great actor.
The whole relationship was wedged-in and flat.
Leading male characters are no longer allowed to bang hotties.
Lot of things that annoyed me about the show habe already been posted in the comments, so I will add what annoyed the hell out of me. Raylan's love interest was complaining about the governor and how "he" was going to get one of his boys on the judge's bench.
Michigan's governor is a woman. Considering the OG Justified featured McCain/Palin and Romney signs/stickers, you can't make the case we are in a different timeline.
Another thing that blew me away was how the show had the Albanian with the broken leg go OUT BY HIMSELF and let the antagonist out of his "panic room."
That's a great point and I thought I heard that but with everything ELSE to complain about I ignored it...but glad you brought it up! haha Gretchen Whitmer has been governor since 2000, so given we're obviously in this time line as you pointed out with the McCain/Palin stickers (great pull btw) then there's no reason Whitmer wouldn't be Governor here...and there's ZERO chance Carolyn wouldn't have liked Whitmer, except for her not being black maybe. But this had to happen when they altered the point of the novel to be all about police occupation instead of soft on crime policies allowing criminals to be unaccountable. ;)
And yeah, it's one thing if they wanted the guy to be able to pop Mansell himself...but to let his ass take a cab (which he allowed to drive off to my loud laughter) and then hobble around? Such terrible writing...again.
Thanks for the comments...nice additions. MAB
I was really looking forward to this miniseries - huge disappointment.
1 - It's just not the same without Boyd Crowder/Walton Goggins. You couldn't help liking Boyd and secretly wanting him to get away with it. THIS villain? - I just wanted Raylan to shoot him DEAD, right from the first episode.
2 - The writing's just nowhere near as good as on the original series - it lacks, among other things, all the clever witticisms spouted by various characters.
3 - Raylan's love interest is TOTALLY unbelievable - it's just a ploy by the writers or producers to throw in some woke diversity. From years of "Justified", we know Raylan's type very well - tall, willowy blondes - everything this lady is NOT.
4 - I don't know why they put Raylan's daughter into the series at all if she was just going to disappear without them having some meaningful breakthrough in their relationship - It felt like they wrote the first couple of episodes and then just decided they didn't want the character, but rather than go back and reshoot the early episodes, they just had her leave for no really good reason. (The "this could be dangerous" rationale given doesn't fly - Raylan knew that before he ever got to Detroit.)
Oh well, guess I'll just have to be content with rewatching the original series time to time. :)
Nicely put.
1- Exactly. In fact, Boyd was so likable, despite being an obvious villain, that they had to go out of their way in the final season to try and make him despicable, shooting Dewey in the back of the head in the first episode, for instance. With Mansell, there's no "there" there, so you wish Raylan would simply handle him the way he handle most other shallow bad guys on the previous show.
2- Agreed. You won't see tons of witty GIFs produced of all the great one liners from this as you can find from the original. Mostly bland and forgettable.
3- Dude...right? I called this while watching it with my wife and 16 year old son (who LOVES the original) in the 3rd episode and they looked at me like I was crazy. I just said, "It's 2023...this is 100% gonna' happen."
4- This had to be a favor to Tim Olyphant as she's his actual daughter. I didn't mention her much other than to say it was obvious they were father/daughter, but yeah...unless she was purposefully acting that way she should probably find something else to do. The way she simply left and never came back was so weird. And yeah, we'd seen that Raylan had schooled Winona on being safe so the idea that Willa, even being a headstrong teenager, would wander around downtown Detroit like that made absolutely no sense. Raylan, even passively, would not have raised a daughter like that.
And yeah...this gets a rewatch form me once every couple of years.
Thanks for the great comment! MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Thanks for your thoughts and the kind words.
Talking about re-watching the original series - I did that a few years ago with a girlfriend who hadn't seen the show - as soon as we had finished watching the last episode of the last season, she said, "Can we watch it again?" :) Yeah, it was THAT good.
I've watched it multiple times as well. I've now watched it twice with my 16 year old son as well, who loves the show. He'd be happy to watch it once a year. haha
FWIW, I'd also recommend "The Bear," also on FX. It's two seasons in now, but it, I think, is easily one of the best things on TV right now. I didn't have the channel up and running for the first season and I didn't think about talking about the second this Spring when it came out, but I'll DEFINITELY do something in the lead up to the 3rd season in a year or so when it's ready to drop. MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby Thanks for the tip on "The Bear" - I'll check it out. One more "Justified" note - Walton Goggins is definitely the best "bad guy" player ever - even though he was even badder in "The Shield", I wanted him to get away scot-free there, too. He just makes you like him. :)
@@BogartSlap Oh yeah...if you haven't watched The Bear it's a must see. Set in Chicago. High end chef goes back and takes over his family's local sandwich shop restaurant. No real whiff of politics, has an actually diverse cast which seems completely organic, etc. Super fast paced. there' an episode in the second season called "Fishes" which is probably a Top Ten all time TV show episode for me.
I tried to get into The Shield a while back and couldn't. That one felt a bit dated I think...not really sure. Goggins was exceptional as usual. Hell, he was even good playing that trans character in Sons of Anarchy! haha
Minute I saw his daughter was gonna be in it, I noped out
On top of the poorly developed characters, the plotlines we don't care about, the terrible acting (daughter, the bad guy - I can't even remember his name, that's how little I care), the gratuitous tighty-whitey scenes, the show is also poorly edited and the sound mixing is terrible! Half the time you can't hear what the people are saying, so you crank up the volume, only to get BTFO in the next scene. I stopped watching after episode 4 but I'm sure we saw the bad guy in his underwear several more times in the next two episodes. I bet he's wearing those when he dies.
At this point I simply assume I'm not going to be understand dialog so everything starts off with the subtitles on. And it's not a hearing issue, it's that actors mumbling has become a thing...no idea why. I bitched pretty hard about this ion my review of Oppenheimer. I swear 5 minutes into the movie I was hoping I could turn on CC. haha
And yeah, I agree with all of that. even without the bait & switch, this just isn't a very good show.
As for the underwear thing, all I can think of is that's a thing the character does in the novel and they thought it would be cool to carry it over into the show, but having never read the book I can't verify that. If it isn't, then I'm not sure WHY that's going on. Was it a female character in her underwear every scene, the director would be blamed for his blatant misogyny and appealing to the dreaded "Male Gaze!" Instead, watching Mansell walk around with his schlong on screen is a-ok! haha
Thanks, appreciate you taking the time to comment! MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby The bad guy is so devoid of meaningful characteristics that we only really care about whether he's wearing pants or not. Put some pants on, bro. It's a very weird way to get the audience to hate the character.
Throwing this out just to say, City Primeval was never Raylan's story; they had to put him into a story that he was never in so I think that too is why it felt unnatural and didn't fit
I agree they should have just stuck to the book 📖
Right? All this series has made me want to do is go find the book and read it now. And had I not just recently finished my umpteeth rewatch of the original series I'd want to go back and watch that to wash this out of my brain! This seems like a bit of a pattern...being afraid to allow an author's vision to be realized 100% on screen without trying to add some modern day element or "update" it in some way. Or in this case, that PLUS adding a popular character in an attempt to appeal to an already established audience. Thanks! MAB
Makes me frustrated too, because I’m countless interviews Tim says he was constantly trying to get the book adapted and pitched it to Tarantino. So obviously that was a lie.
Why they decided to adapt a non-Raylan novel is beyond me.
Spot on sir! Especially Raylan's relationship with the lawyer. Also 'City Primeval' .. Wtf is that? I could write an essay on this but you just made a video covering most of it so I won't and I will like and subscribe on general principals. I'll bump that number up to a staggering 543!!
Welcome, 543! hahaha Just remember your number when it hits elevntybillion...
Thanks, MAB
You did an awesome job making this video. Keep on making content. One day it will pay off you have earned a subscriber.
Damn, thanks...I sincerely appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed it, and hope you go back and check out some of the older ones and let me know what you think. The channel is still a work in progress as I learn what seems to "work." By that I mean, I'm still tweaking what makes a "good" YT thumbnail. It honestly never dawned on me that this was an actual thing to worry about! haha My original ones were designed full screen with my eye for design with lots of subtle details, etc...but turns out it the exact opposite of what's needed here. Go figure.
Anyway...thanks a bunch and glad to have you! MAB
Daryl Crowe Jr was the best arc and antagonist next to Boyd
Agreed... Dewey was such an under rated character and the guy that played him was so under rated as well. FYI, I had no clue until the series was almost over the actor, Damon Herriman, is actually Australian. It's amazing hearing him speak in his normal accent. Thanks, MAB
I agree one h undred percent. They took City Primeval and shoved every agenda down the throats of anyone who watched it . Racism,diversity,homosexuality,everything. I wanted to like the show so bad because Raylan was in it but I just couldnt. As you say,Raylsn is a watered down version of himself. And there was no one to take the role of Art. Raylan only had that black woman who doesnt like him. I found him to be flat in this show. I didnt finish watching it all. I just went to the end of the finale to watch Boyd getting out of prison. That made me smile.
There was no witty banter. There was no gunslinging. The love interest was just weird. Couldn't understand a word his daughter said. Yost was a big miss for the series. I do not trust these new writers with a whole season of Boyd
Raylan would never go hoggin with a big fat belly woman. The marshals did not chase down slaves. Putting your kid in it when she can not act is stupid . It was definitely bait and switch, the longer trailer has raylen saying to the guy in the basement in episode one different dialogue than in the show.
When I was putting together the static graphic of Raylan's past women, it was stunning to see his lineup! Dude was KILLING it. Oh, Raylan being Raylan he'd have likely flirted with this woman, but only if she'd have been decent to him...which she wasn't. And if she'd have made it obvious she'd have wanted more, he'd have politely let her down and charmed his way out of there. The entire thing was just absurd. haha Thanks, MAB
She is not unattractive . She was a older women who I felt was good looking for her age but it's true she is not in the same league in terms of women that Raylan falls for and who wants to sleep with him. The lawyer lady is the type of women most us would be lucky to get a date with if we were single, seeing as how most of us is not going to be looking like Raylan even on our best day.
Almost purposefully a terrible show. There are flashes of characterization here that are vaguely reminiscent of a whif of a flavour of Justified. (All of the cops get slightly more development than a procedural usually does; one or two bad guys get more lines than other shows), but the entire plot is happening because that's what the show runner wants to have happen. It is in no way organic. We KNOW Raylan, and he has nothing to do with this story and no reason to stick around. Legally, he has no grounds to stick around. There was a good exchange in Ep 7 between him and the Big Bad, but immediately defused, and too little, too late. I assume Ep 8 will finally get them to the fireworks factory, but weak sauce all the way around.
Agreed...and I'll have to take your word on what happened in Episode 7 as I've bailed. May go back and finish at some point, but for now I had to walk away. Thanks for the comment! MAB
ROFL - You're right! - It IS almost like the writers TRIED to make this series terrible - it's SO bad, from SO many angles.
@@themiddleagedbaby If you get curious you can skip 7 as it's almost entirely filler and jump to 8 but you will be angry after watching it.
Sooooo woke... like every other show on TV
I tend to feel like a broken record on this topic but I get tired of telling people I'm (we are) not bringing my politics to the screen when I watch a TV show or movie. THEY ARE! I was fine with the old arrangement of them acting and trying to tell the best story possible, and me handing them money (or time) for a few hours of entertainment. Now, I'm being told I need to pay for this stuff, and when I do I get a TED Lecture about how awful I am, or the things I grew up with are, etc.
Fun game is to go back and watch an olde show and you can see how bad it's gotten. Started "Rescue Me," also a FX show, but it's from the early 2000s. It's amazing what kind of a time capsule it is, and you can see how far shows have slid in being more about messaging than entertainment. Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbabywoke messaging isn't the problem for me. It's that it almost always is accompanied by lazy writing. Can you imagine The Wire today? Omar would go from the best to worst character in the show, over the top flamboyance, forced dialogue every episode to remind us in case we forgot or cared and "You come at the Queen, you best not miss".
@@mitchchartrand Oh, I definitely agree. The messaging is terrible, but the ham-handed way it's usually doled out is even worse. It's not like messaging is new, it's that there used to be an attempt to entertain first, sneak in some message subtlety afterwards. Now the desire of the writers to jam in their personal message is so great, that their lack of talent shines through in how in your face it all is. Great point, thanks. MAB
It was really bad, the romance was forced and the show lacked what we loved about Justified. A new season getting back to what makes Justified great would be nice but it's just gonna be more of the same drivel I'm afraid.
Agreed...all things being equal I wish they'd just go back and watch that final episode of the series, realize how great that was, and then walk away knowing they'd ended it well. Stories end...that's what they do. The best we can hope for is a quality ending. Thanks, MAB
I'll finish it out but forgetable it is. Nothing there to go back to like there is with clips from the original.
She screams you’re racist in court. Next episode spreads legs and receives package. Yup modern woman for ya
I agree, though, in my opinion, I think it says more about what these types think about modern men! A decorated, veteran US Marshal gets called a racist in open court, and within a day or so decides he needs to sleep with this women who's been nothing but horrible to him. This would be somewhat understandable if she was remotely attractive, using Raylan's own past acquaintances to judge this, but she's not...at all. It's all part of the messaging...
Glad you're here and thanks for the comment! MAB
@MAB good point… he’s a mess as a man too but it is the nature of a man to dominate … Bond movies show this too - I never liked the personal aspect of Raylan he seemed to truly love Winona but then sleep with everyone it’s like uhh 😬 they never really delved into that aspect of his character
@@greywolf850 I'm not sure he ever cheated on Winona, and I'm not sure you're saying that either. She was definitely his kryptonite, and was really a better example of a woman that wouldn't take much of his shit and he still loved her anyway.
Now, I always thought Winona was a pain in the ass...as she's constantly tell him she loved him for who he was and he didn't need to quit, but would then suddenly do an about face and leave him again. But, he kept coming back. ;)
There's just nothing about the Attorney that made any sense for Raylan to be involved with her, other than his penchant for sticking his dick in women involved in his cases that were gonna pose an issue. You can almost hear art going, "Let me guess...you slept with her too, right?" hahaha🤣
Darryl Crowe Jr was played very well! I don't agree there. Otherwise great vid :-)
maybe bring back Jacob Pitts as Raylan’s protege as he finds himself to a desk job in season two and three, but hopefully there is more to come of Justified City Primeval.
How disappointing. I WAS looking forward to watching this. Oh well.
I say watch it and judge for yourself. I watched a couple episodes and liked it well enough, just not enough Raylan.
I wouldn't avoid it because I've disliked it, but if you find you have similar tastes to my own, then you may also find it doesn't resonate with you either. It's clearly not the worst thing I've ever seen, and if they hadn't stuck the "Justified" name on it and jammed Raylan in there, I'd have maybe watched it and forgot about it soon after. Only reason it's gotten me agitated is because of the inclusion of the first series in all this. Thanks, MAB
I think that's good advice. Not everything is for everybody, and if someone enjoys it more power to them. Thanks, MAB
Hate to admit it but I enjoyed Justified season 1-6. It was grounded and I got attached to all the characters even if the others are just side characters. City Primeval was…a disappointment
The only thing good about City primeval was the final scene of the final Series where there's a glimmer of hope that Boyd Crowder is coming back
I loved Justified. But Olyphant is from Hawaii. Just saying.
This tv show follows the book almost shot for shot only detective Raymond Cruz played by the same guy from out of sight with Karen Sisco which was pretty cool.
Sub'd due to you being spot on with everything your said about this series.
Awesome...glad you enjoyed it and thanks for being here. Please feel free to swing back through some of the older videos if you get a chance. The channel is still pretty new, and while I'm still super happy with the content of the first ones the audio isn't the best. POV is largely the same, so you may find something you like.
Either way, appreciate you taking the time to comment and happy you're here. Thanks, MAB
I was lucky. I started with city primeval (mistaking it for the original show and very confused that there was only one Season) and found it… pretty okay. Solid.
Now, then I got to see the actual show and in comparison it’s…. Pure trash.
Still wanna see season 2 because…. Well… Boyd.
I completely agree with everything you said...the new version is horrible for all the reasons you mentioned.
They nutered Raylan, Timothy Olephant must have caught the bad acting bug from the rest of the players in this trash.. Clement doesn't have any back story nor is he acted even decently.. I watch hoping olephant will wake the fuck up at some point and bring back the Raylan Givens as Elmore Leonard had imagined him.. I just can't imagine that he would have put his stamp on this horrible trash.. Take Givens out of this and it'll still suck.
Rayland and Boyd Crowder had the best chemistry and dialog. Theres nothing like that in the new one. God needs the devil. The beatles needed the Rolling Stones. Even Dianne Sawyer needed Katey Couric. Who will be Rayland's Katey Couric??
Exactly...it became what drove the show forward. Boyd was the Joker to Raylan's Batman. They were two sides of the same coin. Both from there, both with criminals for fathers. All it would have taken was a tiny change here or there and they'd have switched places...and they both knew that and hated each other for it. They saw each other in the other, and you can literally see that in the final scene where they are basically looking in a mirror at each other through the glass of the federal prison. Without that, and without that link to Kentucky, Raylan is just a less powerful character and has no connection to the story.
Katie Couric...hilarious. hahaha Thanks, MAB
I just each half of the first EPs.......And I give up
This video took an ugly turn towards the end yikes 😬
How so? Without a timestamp or reference I can only assume you mean my thoughts on Carolyn, but I'd be interested in exactly what you had an issue with. Thanks, MAB
It is based on a novel where the main character is Raymond Cruz. But I do think Rayland should be allowed to grow and change. I believe this is supposed to be part of the intent. I do agree that Sweetie is the most interesting bad guy.
All things being equal I'd have just preferred that bring to life the novel as written rather than force Raylan into a story he was not intended to be included in. Honestly, that's my biggest beef here. Thanks, MAB
It just sucked and I hated it
Add to that the fact that the scriptwriters bring in Lieutenant Cruz (the "hero" of Leonard's book) to talk to Raylan, and it undermines Raylan's legitimacy in the series. He's already useless because he doesn't do anything and has no business being there because Cruz exists in this universe.
Raylan is no longer Raylan. And Mansell is a kind of sub-Boyd in beast and villain. At least the series, which I didn't finish, would have made me want to read Leonard's book.
Exactly! The only thing this series did, besides making me miss the original, was making sure I go and find a good used hard back copy of Leonard's original novel. So, there's THAT at least! Thanks, MAB
Guys. Just watch the final episode. The writers obviously heard the complaints.
You nailed it !
Thanks for your review. While I liked some of it a little bit more, in general, I agree with you. I felt let down at the end. It just felt like something “by-the-numbers”. With some of the numbers having to do with identity politics and/or virtue signaling. Like “and now a word from our sponsor!”
It just didn’t really feel like JUSTIFIED to me. It felt more like fan-fiction of that series. And by fans who didn’t like what I liked about the original or even the original source novel of this series, CITY PRIMEVAL or any other good Elmore Leonard, both original work in text and the best adaptations (eg MR. MAJESTYK [which was actually written for the screen and *then* adapted as a novel. A rare occurrence for Leonard], GET SHORTY, JACKIE BROWN, OUT OF SIGHT, 3:10 TO YUMA [either version], HOMBRE, VALDEZ IS COMING, THE MOONSHINE WAR, etc). And fans who needed to give us messages.
It was weak sauce at best.
You're very welcome...glad you enjoyed it.
And yeah, it felt like "Justified" in name only, and given how much I love the original series this type of bait & switch just wasn't ok for me. All this did was make me eager to read the novel, and to rewatch the original series sometimes next year...again. Thanks, MAB
Good writing, man; loved this review.
Damn, glad to hear it! Hope you stick around and let me know what you think of some others. Great to hear as much feedback as possible. Thanks, MAB
Couldn't have said it better myself. Nice job.
Damn, thanks...I appreciate that. Really glad you enjoyed it, and hope you stick around. Thanks, MAB
Perfect review! You earned a subscriber!
Thanks a bunch! Hope you enjoy your stay, and check out some of the older vids and let me know what you think. Thanks, MAB
Here, Here ! Preach brother 👍🏾👍🏾
Okay. God help me......but.......the last episode actually made it all worth it..
Well, while I can understand why you might feel that way, and it almost did that for me, it didn’t last. It was like just “member-berries”. Like meal that was almost good, but not very satisfying in the end. I really wanted to like it. And kept hoping I would get swept up. But it kept letting me down.
I didn't even make it through the first episode before I realized this show was utter garbage.
Spot-on analysis. Subscribed!
Damn, thanks...I appreciate the kind words and the sub. Glad you enjoyed it, and hope you poke around at some of the older vids and see if there's anything else there you enjoy! Thanks, MAB
Well said.
Did you watch the final episode yet?? I've got a feeling it'll change your mind. It's all been leading to a revival of the main show.
Oh man...don't pull me back into this show!!!! haha
OK, without having seen anything beyond this episode I talk about here, let me guess...we see Rachel again? Maybe Tim? I'm almost certain I saw Nick Searcy (Art Mullen) say he had nothing to do with this, same with Walton Goggins (Boyd.) Am I close? Thanks, MAB
@@themiddleagedbaby If Walton Goggins said that he's a damn liar. LMFAO.
@@themiddleagedbaby Walton Goggins just pulled an Andrew Garfield on us......
@@DrSuess360 Well dammit...
I did just watch the last episode, and while it gave me a bit of fan-service, I still felt let down and disappointed. As I said elsewhere, weak sauce at best. It was okay, at some points. But the whole was less than the sum of its parts. It has a lot of good parts, but they don’t add up to a coherent good story telling. Unlike the original JUSTIFIED. Or even a totally gonzo show, like BANSHEE.
It just felt like they were trying too hard to tick too many boxes, and succeeding at few.
It felt like fan-fiction. And since some of the fans were participants in the original, it had a bit of that there too. But not enough.
I just finished season 1 and was looking for a good review, came across this video, now i know i have to skip this season entirelly, thank you for the heads up
Season 1 of the original series? If so, you're in for a GREAT ride as you start season 2 with The Bennett's!
This is nothing like that series, and it pales in comparison. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks. MAB
Havent seen full episodes of the new justified. Just clips. Its def a different justified.
It really was a huge disappointment in every way.
My feelings exactly. Thanks, MAB
Speak the truth my brother!!!
Always. Can't promise I'll always be right, and if I'm wrong I'll own it. And can't promise you'll always agree with my takes...but I not gonna' lie to anyone here. These are 100% my takes, good or bad. ;)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. MAB
So far im not sure about the show. Yes everything said here so far is correct but i had the feeling after the first two episodes that the show builds up slower but it seems we will get some action at the end of the show. Or at least i hope so. But part of the reason why Raylan is so different in this show is that the book from Elmore Leonard wich this show is based on actually had another charakter as the cop in it. And that charakter was the opposite of Raylan. Raymond Cruz is a real law man who sticks to the rules and gets forced by Mansell to break the law to catch him. And they have a standtoff at the End in wich Cruz kills Mansell. So yes putting Raylan in here was just to get the attention of the Justified fans. But i will watch the rest of the show and hope for the best.e
Agreed...I'd have liked to have seen them simply make the Elmore Leonard novel true to his vision and allow us to know Cruz rathe than stick Raylan in there to try and get eyeballs. Thanks for the comment, MAB
Great video!
Thanks, Scott...glad you enjoyed it! Hate to rag on this show having loved the first iteration so much, but damn...
Appreciate the feedback. MAB