Netflix Daredevil Series Canon With MCU
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- John and the crew discuss Marvel changing its stance surrounding Netflix’s Daredevil and whether the series was Canon with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Elden Hensen and Deborah Ann Woll should have never been left out in the first place. They were just as important in making that Netflix show as good as it was.
Elden Henson And Deborah Ann Woll Reportedly Back For Daredevil: Born Again As Foggy Nelson And Karen Page
Glad they came to their senses 🤜🤛
This is further proof, wait until the final product before giving opinion 🤣🤣
I don't care how many times they claim the Netflix shows were never a part of the MCU. They absolutely were. I've never once believed that the Netflix characters were NEVER meant to be crossed over back over in way or another. Netflix created some of the most highly regarded superhero content ever. And just HANDED IT back over. There's no way marvel would just say, "nah no thanks".
I feel like John’s in denial. It was always pretty obvious that Charlie Cox’s comments about this being different was that Daredevil was being Disney-fied and not that he was a whole different dude. Like yeah, he was different but in that he wasn’t bloody and violent and was going to be tweaked to fit into the larger universe. That’s why Kingpin is stronger now too. Never meant they weren’t the same people with the same histories.
As soon as I saw this story I was thinking “John’s gonna double down on this being a brand new concept” as opposed to what it was which was simply them being unsure of Daredevil’s place in all this. To take Cox’s vague comments and jump to the conclusion that it’s a different character is borderline lunacy. As is saying that people “mistakenly” thought they were the same character even though common sense would lead you to believe otherwise.
This guy’s got the right idea. That is the end of my comment.
Cox literally said it wasn't a season 4 but a reboot. They didn't even plan on having Foggy and Karen untill now. It's pretty clear that they changed direction recently. This was never meant to be a continuation of the Netflix series.
@@JosipDodig A soft reboot. Cox was referring to the show being different, but he never spoke about the character and the universe. You know who did? Vincent D'Onofrio. That guy constantly said in interviews and his tweets that it was all the same universe, same timeline, that it wasn't a Variant situation. and John never made videos about it or brought it up; he didn't bring it up then, he doesn't bring it up now. Why? Because D'Onofrio's statements completely negate his "they weren't canon before, and no one told us otherwise" argument/stance.
@@JosipDodig reboot of a show doesn’t mean reboot of a universe. Someone else commented it was like Batman Beyond to Batman and that’s the perfect example.
John really cant stand been wrong can he 😂 its cannon ffs
There's no fear of Marvel ruining the netflix show. If they mess up Born Again it will only make the netflix show look more impressive and make Marvel Studios' reputation even worse
The shows were always official canon, but due to studio politics, Marvel Studios USED to ignore TV shows under Loeb's leadership. That includes Runaways and Agents of SHIELD (yes, even when Fury and Maria Hill made cameos). The diehard fans of these shows ignore this fact. It's only with Echo that Marvel Studios has basically reaffirmed that the Netflix shows are part of the same universe.
Correct. And John knows this. I don't know why he's talking like Netflix was originally separate from the MCU. No it wasn't. That never became a thing until Disney+ started making their own shows and started thinking Netflix was disconnected enough to ignore.
Yea Kevin was just being difficult and ignoring them out of spite because he didn't like Lobe & Ike.. and he was butt hurt over them bringing coulson back and thought it undermined what happened to him in avengers.. and then AoS/Netflix/runaways/C&D were getting great reviews for being more serious (mostly aside from a few seasons/shows) and the films were starting to get criticism for being too jokie at the time, so he was annoyed by that too...
I also think the Mahershala Ali blade movie isn't happening, they just haven't announced or confirmed it yet, which then allows Luke Cage to be canon.. cause they could always say the lady in Civil war was in fact Miranda and she was manipulating Tony so he'd sign off on the proposed super power registration (which would become the sakovia accords) so that Luke wouldn't be able to stick his nose in her biz anymore unsanctioned... Explaining blade and cottonmouth being identical twins is a bit harder to come up with some bs write off lol
The Shows were always technically canon. A major plot point of Daredevil season one is how King Pin and some of the other villains like Madam Gao took advantage of the damage from the battle of New York to purchase properties on a cheap...and also Jessica Jones makes several references to the Avengers...the shows have always been a peripheral addendum to the MCU, it's much like how comics are, different artists and writers bring different tones but they exist all in one universe i.e. earth 616 etc.
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw dude, did you even watch Daredevil? When they’re saying “the incident” they’re talking about the Avengers
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw right so they did mention the battle of New York. And they have the Stark tower destroyed newspapers in the background. You’re not being consistent. No connections is different from loose ones.
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw Sure they didn't mention those specifics but you can infer what they are referring to because OBVIOUSLY it was a major moment in New York just two years before. Like if someone mentioned the incident in September 2001 would you need them to draw you pictures of planes flying into buildings ad describe every detail or would you by common sense not understand they are talking about 9/11 one of the biggest situations to happen in US history? It's common sense dude lol...
@@user-by8cl7wc9u There's a whole video on CZcams that talks about all the references
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw The newspaper appeared in Season 1 as well. In 2015. Appeared also in S2. Marvel Studios may not have acknowledged it, but that wasn't your argument. You were claiming lies that the Daredevil show never mentioned the alien attack from Avengers 1. It's not like they called it the Incident and then we fans just assumed it was Battle of New York. No, the show tells us aliens attacked New York. That the locals call it the Incident, but media and newspapers still say Battle of New York. Jessica Jones' friend talks about aliens invading New York in 2012. Again, Marvel Studios did ignore it for the longest time, but your statement that the Daredevil show never touched upon the alien invasion of NYC from Avengers 1 is just outright false.
You can tell John hates the fact that Netflix Marvel is now MCU Canon 😂
Marvel Netflix is literally better than every movie except winter soldier 😅
@@dylanperkins168 I agree
That's not true, they weren't saying at ANY point It wasn't the same Daredevil, wath Charlie said was that It would be a NEW SHOW, think of Batman The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures or Batman Beyond, they are all different shows about the same character, in the same universe. And there were no contradictions with Kingpin as well. Vincent D'Onofrio even said that Fisk lost power in the underworld after the blip, If you couldn't understand that by youself, which you probably should.
Brad Winderbaum explicitly said that the Netflix series are canon to the Sacred Timeline. Why do we have to go through this whole show every single time? Feige said the shows were canon back in the build up to Infinity War, publicly. These things have been stated multiple times by Feige, Winderbaum, Marvel in general. All of the quotes of "this isn't the same Daredevil/Kingpin" were in regards to the tone used in those appearances, not the physical character. Thor in Thor 1 and Thor in Love and Thunder are the same person, even though Love and Thunder has a "funnier" Thor than Thor 1. Likewise, 2015 Matt and She-Hulk Matt are the same person, even though She-Hulk has a funnier Matt than the OG series. The shows were never not Canon. They were just on a smaller scale, so they wouldn't be seen in larger scale stories because they were not relevant at the time.
the funny thing is that happens way more often in comics, timelines and tone aren't that strict
Bless Rob's optimistic forgiving heart. Just like with Kathleen Kennedy, he' s putting faith in someone because of their resume rather than assessing more recent years of performance. Stretched thin or not, since " End- Game" Feige's fundamental approach has been at best - off the mark.
vincent just confirmed that during the reworking of Born Again they decided to make it all canon
Good now bring back his Vanessa.
@@johnb2422 Vanessa!!!!!
Then if you are gonna do this then bring back the og Vanessa. The chemistry between her and fisk was 🔥
The thing that is really messing me up for many months now is John Campea claims that Wilson Fisk is different in Hawkeye and Echo. I can't figure out what it is Campea is speaking of. I've watched all 3 seasons of Daredevil AGAIN, then watched Hawkeye a 3rd time, and I don't get it. I don't know what Campea is speaking of. The only thing Fisk did in Hawkeye that he wasn't seen doing in Daredevil is wear a Hawaiian shirt that's very similar, if not the same, that he wore in the comic book. A shirt doesn't make a person different. What, then, can Campea possibly be referring to? Why does he think that Hawkeye's Fisk is different from Daredevil's Fisk? Is it because he has never spoken of Echo?
He’s just talking shit and implying he’s a variant
But they’re canonizing it, so they’re the same in theory
Netflix got to a point where they had 6 Marvel titles running. I think overall they were better than what the MCU has put out on Disney plus.
Yep. They never had more than 2-3 air in the same year though I don't think
@soulofanerd9364 true but the rating on them with the exception of Iron Fist was consistent. Disney plus series are all over the place.
@@JayLifts you got that right. Goes to show quality over quantity
Kingpin's sudden powers are ridiculously easy to explain! and it makes total sense for him, he's going to be the real Powerbroker! he was pulling the strings from NY to Madripoor, took some version of the super soldier serum and now he got incredible stamina and strength, it's that simple!
I think all this just shows how big of a mess Marvel is behind the scenes. No one seems to know what they're doing, there's no long term planning anymore, and they've somehow forgotten how to make a quality product. If I were brought in tomorrow to clean up the mess, I'd put everything on hold until Daredevil, Blade, F4, Deadpool, and X-Men are ready to go. Those would be my sole focus. Put some of the existing characters like Shang-Chi and Ms. Marvel into those projects so they don't get forgotten about, but those five projects and those characters are the future of the MCU. No more TV shows, no more movies, no nothing until those projects are completed and up to the old Marvel standard, then start working our way towards another Avengers film.
He was shot in the face in the comics but blind in both eyes, he eventually got his sight back.
I LOVE Robs sensibilities on stuff like this. Glad to have him.
The Netflix shows are on the Timeline on Disney plus that’s all the confirmation I need.
I wish they would bring David Tennant back as Killgrave. He had scary powers
Kilgrave's dead. Also I don't think Marvel would wanna touch the whole "he's a guy who used mind control to sleep with women against their consent" thing again. He was the villain in Season 1 of Jessica Jones and people loved the performance. Resurrecting him now would be a bad move.
John is willing to die on that hill lol
For me personally, (die hard Netflix DD fan) it wouldn’t taint the Netflix series at all. Even if this new thing doesn’t turn out great or they retcon some plot points. Just like no way home didn’t ruin the ending of the raimi movies since all the villains went back already “cured.” If the new DD is bad, then I’ll just tune it out and rewatch the Netflix stuff whenever I want.
This!!! I don’t see why people say that new adaptations ruin the old ones. The old ones still exist! But by taking a risk and adapting again, we could be pleasantly surprised. Could also be disappointed, but if that’s the case we’ll still have the first 3 seasons 3
From what I’ve seen of this Disnified version of DD… give the rights back to Netflix 🙏🏼
@@JezzaBondiBeach Netflix never had the rights. They were just the distributor.
@@loganbigmo MCU version is atrocious
To be fair...the XMen movies did it with Ryan Reynolds Deadpool. But that is a character and a franchise that laughs in the face of continuity.
Just admit you were wrong. You're almost there.
This.
This show is going to be a mess. Marvel doesn't know what they're doing. They are using the Netflix show as a crutch because it was actually good.
I think it’s becoming very clear Marvel doesn’t know what to do with Daredevil.
People hated AOS for its many MCU references (rightfully so), but when the Netflix shows made little references to the MCU people just used it as a reason it wasn’t canon.
And AoS is still the most "debatable" canon show in the MCU. They are all Canon, people just don't like things
So does this mean Jessica Henwick is getting her wish to return as Colleen possibly?
It’s always possible. I even say bring Finn Jones back. I’ve always said give him redeemed like Hayden Christensen got with Star Wars. Worked with different writers and directors and gave him a better performance and now fans love him as Anakin. It could happen with Finn. If they decide to bring him back. If not… 🤷♂️
The Netflix shows were always written to be part of the MCU so it's not like there's much in the way of canon issues.
It’s always been canon for me.
The writers and production team from ABC studios and Netflix wont be doing this one so I don't expect it to be as well written. Those series have great character develpoment, I have not seen one Disney + show that has the depth of any of those Netflix shows.
My rebuttal would be J Jonah Jameson being in the MCU Spider-Man series. Same actor playing different version of the character for the universe the movie is in
I really hope they scrap that Saturday morning cartoonish red and yellow costume. Even if it's "comic book accurate" it doesn't make sense for someone that patrols at night and stalks in the shadows to be wearing bright yellow.... unless everyone is blind too.
Maybe nobody told him
You have to turn your brain off and pretend they can’t see him loll
Hope you address D’Onofrio’s latest interview with the Hollywood Reporter where he said the Netflix show is 100% canon to the MCU
Yeah, it's canon. But before this, the creative team at Marvel Studios ignored the shows due to studio politics. They were under Loeb instead of Feige, and now the former Marvel TV has been folded into Marvel Studios.
Campea never even addressed D'Onofrio's claims that it was all canon and the same timeline from when _Hawkeye_ came out and he still doesn't mention it in this video.
The MCU no longer deserves to have Netflix Daredevil as part of its canon. Not to mention that the characters act and feel completely different in the MCU than they did on Netflix.
Campea still leaves a sour taste for constantly saying "Charlie Cox said this is different!" and interpreting it as different canon while completely ignoring the fact that Vincent D'Onofrio, especially that week that _Hawkeye_ finale came out, constantly tweeted and spoke in interviews about how it's the same Kingpin and the same canon. It's disingenuous to pretend he didn't make those remarks so that you can state "the shows were never canon before, we were never told otherwise".
I want the same actor that played bullseye
Great character and actor.
They’d be fools not to bring him back
Bro needs a rematch.
Other than iron fist & his world, I feel the Netflix shows really don't effect the MCU in anyway it fits like a plug
Cherry picking canon sounds like an excuse to be lazy to me.
This gives me hope that Agents of Shield can be canon too
No need to worry, it is canon. The only people who say it's not, they just have not watched it or not liked it.
Bro it is canon what are you talking about??
I mean it just made sense to make the Netflix shows canon but frankly the fact it took so long to make it official just confirms that no one really knows the plan for this multiverse saga. Kinda the straw that broke the camels back for me cause I’m done with the mcu for a long time now
Multiverse of madness really started this for me. After Patrick Stewart, John krasinski, and Haley atwell all appeared on screen together, I knew any plans for this multi-verse saga we're riding on the backs of nostalgic, cameos and Easter eggs and not a properly constructed through line and plot
They were always meant to be canon, why is this guy talking like his opinion is fact?
@@AdamSummers-sj8jwThere were plenty of MCU connections. The first season happens because of the Battle of New York
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw False. “The Incident” is the Battle of New York. It’s the entire reason Hells Kitchen is the way it is in Daredevil season 1. The scene in the first episode of Daredevil when Matt and Foggy look at their new office had that lady say “The Incident” is a better term to use than “death and destruction coming from the sky.” Did you forget the newspapers Ben Urich had including the scene where he looks at a newspaper with Chitauri on the picture before Kingpin kills him. There was a moment in Jessica Jones season 1 when Trish on her talk show mentioned that New York was attacked by aliens. There is also the first episode of Luke Cage where that guy on the street is selling bootleg footage of The Incident and directly names Tony Stark and describes Captain America, Thor, and Hulk. Those and more. They were always connected to the MCU
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw Go back and watch the scene where Kingpin kills Ben Urich in season 1. At the beginning of the scene, Ben looks at a newspaper with Chitauri picture and that is what the camera is focusing on. Always has been connected to MCU
@@AdamSummers-sj8jw S1 tells us that Kingpin got his current seat of power by investing in the real estate business od rebuilding New York after the Chitauri attack. So yes, the Daredevil show did reference the Battle of New York outside of the newspapers. Kingpin's rise to power is tied to the alien Incident. The newspaper wasn't even a "blink and you'll miss it" because it's very prominently shown in multiple episodes.
Originally Marvel intended to outsource the TV shows to companies like Hulu and netflix. So originally Daredevil was actually supposed to be part of the broader MCU. It wasn't until later that all those separate properties on different networks were no longer considered Canon. There are articles on this topic where directors of those properties explicitly state that they still operated as though the MCU was Cannon to to the series. Marvel obviously thought that they had a formula that was winning. If we are being honest with the exception of maybe one or two shows, every other series on Disney plus relating to the MCU was subpar. It's only recently that they realized that they cannot keep wasting money. This is the reason why they've decided to make Daredevil cannon to the MCU.
I liked Echo….. the ending could have been better but I’m excited to see how Kingpin will be portrayed going forward. Hawkeye pretty much killed the character for me but Daredevil born again can also be kingpin reborn imo
the comics ALWAYS had different tones. A Spider-man story feels completely different than Hawkeye, yet they both co-exist. And the "hawaiian shirt" that Kingpin woreLITERALLY was from the comics!
@@sweatyheroes4560 dude I have never read one issue of any comic where kingpin was portrayed as a buffoon. If you have, please tell me which title and issue
People shouldnt overthink this. Just enjoy the shows for what they are and touch grass after. We'll be okay.
Bullseye storyline can continue,good.
I speculated that Netflix Daredevil will be used as a vague history for Daredevil: Born Again, and having the actors reprise their roles as Karen and Foggy is the one best decisions they made (assuming that it's true).
Now Marvel needs to hear us that we want the same actors for Bullseye, Vanessa and Elektra. Continuity matters! They were great actors, great in their roles.
Vanessa already got recast
Elektra's dead. Vanessa's actress had other commitments. Bullseye, they probably will bring the same guy back.
@@loganbigmo We didn't see Elektra's body. Matt was right with her when the building fell on them so she could have easily survived just like he did. And for Vanessa it's not really accurate. The actress said that they didn't call her to play Vanessa again, otherwise she would. She got other commitments when she thought Marvel were already done with her so it's kinda their fault for not thinking things through.
@@bloodymares That's true, but I'd rather they not rehash the Elektra stuff again. But I won't be too upset if it turns out she's alive. As for Vanessa, it's a bit of a gray area. There are rumors that she might've been asked to reprise the role once Born Again delayed production from the strike but that she had certain comments on the war.
The whole thing makes me wonder, whether she did or did not, why did Marvelr recast her specifically but bring everyone else back? There's more to this that we simply don't know.
Can we get Gabriel Luna as Robby Reyes Ghost Rider while we're at it please
I never finished Daredevil season 1, but I did watch Punisher Season 1 because I've been a big fan of Jon Bernthal's since his TWD days. Jon is so great in that role! I hope they bring him into the MCU too & keep that TV-MA rating.
Daredevil is honestly peak MCU. The depth and richness of the story is the best Marvel has put out. Endgame is MCU's shining moment but Daredevil is the most enriching and rewarding storytelling MCU has done.
@@Neo24931 It was so long ago that I'm not quite sure why I stopped watching it, but I think it's because I don't really have the patience to watch an entire series. I've only watched & finished maybe less than 10 series. Maybe I'll have to give it another try.
Now they scrapped Born Again and restarted looks like it's gone back to original Daredevil not She Hulk Daredevil...
Kevin Feige can't afford to have Daredevil Reborn flop like the other MCU series. If that happens, then there's no saving this franchise anymore.
It always was......
I think bringing Charlie Cox in as Daredevil again was originally going to be like Judy Dench playing M in Casino Royale when it was a reboot.
Yes, she was M but not the same M as she was in the Brosnan films.
They really have an opportunity to ground these shows from where they left off, involve them in the midst of the blip, and seeing where they all are now as they are fully canon to the MCU. In the chaos of not knowing why people are disappearing, Fisk attempting to take over as mayor and criminals trying to take advantage of the situation, it'd be stupid not to take advantage of these possibilities.
Robert should have made the analogy of Worf showing up on DS9 and it not being the same Worf from TNG.
Or John could have made the analogy of Ric Flair showing up in WWF and not being the same Ric Flair from WCW. So he's not really the 16 time world heavyweight champion.
Though this does screw up Blade a bit, with Mahershala Ali being a character in Luke Cage. I guess they will just have to pull a Gemma Chan and just cast him as multiple characters.
It is indeed a Gemma Chan situation. Also given that no one from the Luke Cage side of things is gonna meet Blade, it wouldn't be a problem.
Well, Cottonmouth is dead so it's not like it will matter very much. And Mariah's actress was in Civil War as a grieving mother that confronted Tony about the damage Avengers cause.
Im not suprised nothing in the netflix shows really contradict the mcu and if they were trying to do new versions they would be so similar to the netflix versions that they might as well not be canon.
But John Kingpin is just a comic character. Comic physics doesn't apply to real life physics. He's a comic character and you can't killed comic book characters! lol! J/K
So is daredevil season 3 not canon? Given the post credit scene in Echo that seemed to have that implication?
It was always canon with the MCU
Yup! And there's proof. Just because the things in the Netflix didn't affect the movies don't make or not Canon. Things you do in your life don't affect me but it's Canon! Lol just because the "tone" is different don't make it not canon. My time with my date and time with my niece and nephew have a different tone.... still canon lol.
I will never understand the people who says "X is going to ruin Y for me". Usually it works the other way around! If you don't like the new thing, you appreciate the original even more.
I didn't like the Star Wars prequels, but my love for the original trilogy is intact or have grown. To be honest, after the sequel trilogy, I appreciate a bit more the prequels.
Personally, I think people give too much importance to what is canon and what's not. The only thing that counts is the quality of the story. I rather have a good story with a couple of contradictions than a mess that fits perfectly in the stablished canon.
In the Netflix Daredevil, Kingpin's entire rise to power was because of the The Chitauri!! He got rich from rebuilding New York.
To me,, it's smart business for MARVEL to keep them canon, because it allows them to promote the old shows to people who might not have seen them before.
The failure a lot of recent MCU content has seen, plus the intense adoration for the Netflix Daredevil has clearly made them shift and embrace ALL that is Netflix Daredevil (minus some language and violence). Suddenly retooling the script, cast, & creators on the new Daredevil season to ensure the shows align properly. It's a smart move. The new season of DD might end up being the huge success Marvel has been wanting on Disney+. They need to stop giving random ass writers & directors their own series and storylines that nobody really wants (hello Wonderman) and make content people DO want. This is a great new start.
I want a redeem arc for finn jones, give him 200% training.
I thought he could been good wirh more training
And do a Heroes for hire show.. new cases every episodes
Better yet, just give him a comic-accurate costume so a stunt double would look good doing the fights. An actor is hired to portray emotions, not be a real martial artist unless they can do both. Chris Evans is not a fighter, but his Captain America movies were all great because they utilized his stunt double well. I thought Iron Fist S2 was a massive improvement because his head was covered by a hood for most of the action scenes which allowed them to use a stunt double and have a better choreography.
so is it going to be the season 4 of the Netflix series or is it going to be it's own thing?
Well it's obviously a sequel. But a own series.
It's not a season 4, but it's a sequel series. So same canon, but its own series set years after the events of the original show.
The Neflix series' were always promoted as being part of the MCU when they were new. RBM is right. Saying these aren't the Daredevil and Kingpin from the Netflix series is bullshit. And what are those clear contradictions supposed to be, except for style?
By the way, brains can take a lot, depending on what damages them where. Of course, what happened to Kingpin in Echo is extremely improbable.
@@logirex How do you know it was point blank range? If those are super powers, he has them in the comics as well. Sometimes he is portrayed as Spider-Man's equal in a fight.
And who says he doesn't have super powes in the Netflix series?
Disney is playing tug of war with their property and it is exhausting. I understand the rights issue but the Netflix expiration was ages ago.
Loved seeing John do the Ric Flair bit at the end 😂😂😂
This was never a real question. The Netflix shows, like Agents of SHIELD and all the other shows clearly state they are set in the MCU.
Agents of SHIELD was made behind Feige's back, he never considered it part of the MCU.
ew aos. CW level crap
Yes. THEY did. The shows did. The movies never acknowledged them and I believe Feige even said the shows weren’t canon. They definitely just changed their mind.
I can make a movie where a character mentions iron man, doesn't mean it's MCU canon
@@spaceguy564 in 2015 Feige gave an interview where he stated it is canon. Since WandaVision however they're shifting away from AoS...
Damn John made amazing points at the end too.
Love the Ric Flair reference at the end there "Stylin and profilin WOOO!" 😆
it never really made sense to me that they would save deadpool but not save the other characters like daredevil and punisher. I kind of figured that they would go back on this. I think warner bros. is going to go back on some of their dc announcements as well. I thought several of the things james gunn said were bad ideas.
They should’ve done that from the beginning, this way isn’t confusing.
Maybe it’s MCU that became part of the Daredevil and Punisher universe
Why don’t they just bring back the whole creative team (including show runner) of the Netflix series and make it season 4. Obviously it worked so why change it.
You can not have dd without Karen. We need her.
I don't agree, but she was instrumental in moving along the show. We can always pick up after he's moved on from her (heck, he's moved on from her for decades now in the comics, and the lessons of his experiences with her aren't any less for her absence).
On the flipside, they can also have had Karen appear played by a new actress.
John keeps bringing up the John Krasinski as reed Richards like that is a counter to Robs point when, no, it enforces his point, it's stupid af, the casual audience is now asking when the X-Men are coming back and when the new fantastic 4 with "Jim" is coming out and its the worst part of that movie... and even more dumb about it, all they did is take a gag from deadpool 2 and try to sell it off as something we should be shocked and horrified by when all we did (in my theater anyway) was laugh like we did when deadpool killed Xforce
I have hope that with iger back in charge and marvel scaling back their projects, we will get more quality. Ironheart is the only project left that finished shooting under the chapek era. So I don't have much hope for that.
When was Netflix ever not canon? Weren’t the events of the first avengers referenced in DD?
The Netflix series wasnt created by marvel studios. it wasnt until She hulk/Hawkeye that charlie cox/vincent donofrio were brought in to play there netflix roles
Marvel studios plan was to rewrite the Characters using the same actors
The Netflix show lightly referenced stuff from the MCU. Feige and Marvel Studios never referenced the shows, though. Feige had no involvement in the shows, and they were overseen by his former boss who Feige had gotten fired. The Netflix shows wanted to be associated with the movies, but Feige wanted nothing to do with his former bosses television division.
yes, no reason it shouldn't be. heck, even that short cloak and dagger series should be canon.
@@houstonhughes184 In the first scripts of Endgame, the Netflix heroes were supposed to show up at some point, but the movie was already too crowded. So I wouldn't say that they were always ignored.
@@bloodymares Source? That would have been unlikely since legally Marvel Studios couldn't touch those characters until at least 2020 due to the rights issues with Netflix.
Elden Henson And Deborah Ann Woll Reportedly Back For Daredevil: Born Again As Foggy Nelson And Karen Page
White tiger is set to reportedly appear in daredevil born again and also mayor Fisk is expected for Spider-Man 4
This is an artificial debate. The Netflix and MCU cannons have never been mutually exclusive. I defy anyone who holds this view to name one scene from either that excludes the possibility of the others existence. In fact there are multiple scenes in the Netflix shows that imply them as existing in the same universe as the MCU movies. The only remarkable difference between the two is tone and aesthetics, but Cannon is not determined on those grounds. If so movies like Guardians of the Galaxy and Taika Waititi's Thor films would have to exist in a separate Cannon from movies like Captain America the Winter soldier or Black Panther, or even the first two Thor movies.
John come on their's spots in the timeline they can still explain that we didn't see yet in the past
Campea got possessed by Ric Flair at the end there.
one way they can solve the potential confusion is by putting in big letters " meanwhile in another universe" when the show starts knowing this is a similar character yet there will be differences. They have done that in the "what if" shows so why not in this version of daredevil or kingpin etc what is there too make such a fuss about?
Well thankfully they're not doing that because they're reaffirming it's all in the same timeline.
There are 3 *HUGE* problems with the original show being canon though.
1) How is Kingpin out of prison? At the end of season 3 Kingpin made a deal with Daredevil that as long as Wilson stayed in prison Matt wouldn’t tell the police about Vanessa’s involvement in the death of an FBI agent. And not only is he not in prison but he has his name on public companies which mean no one remembers him ever going to prison because all his assets were seized when he was arrested. Which also means his dreams of becoming mayor of New York would be null and void because he should be a fugitive.
2) Where is Vanessa? Vanessa is Wilson’s whole world, the only other person he loves in the world besides his mother and Maya, and yet not only has she not been mentioned once, Fisk isn’t even wearing his wedding ring.
3) Why did Matt Mudock need to go to Los Angeles to get a new suit when he already had one, and if it was lost or damaged Melvin Potter would’ve easily made him one for free.
They need to address these 3 VERY glaring problems or the show will fall apart.
at least five years passed (if you count the snap) and any of those questions can be answered as in the missing years in-between. if half your population is gone, then probably that trial you had is going to be appealed or thrown out the window.
1. You just heard them say they were going to “cherry pick” certain things. Maybe that doesn’t cross over
2. They already announced a new actress to play Vanessa. Haven’t heard if she was scrapped with the old.
3. I believe Bullseye killed Melvin in season 3.
Now how ez was that 😂
#1) When half of the worlds population just ceases to exist in an instant, questions like "isn't that dude a bad guy who should be in prison?" Become WAY less important. What happened to all the witnesses who were gonna testify against him? Well, half of them ceased to exist. What about the states attorneys who were supposed to prosecute him? Half of them are gone as well. What about the cops who arrested him in the first place? Half gone. Why do you keep asking these stupid questions anyway? Half the worlds population ceased to exist in an instant! Every single government/institution on the planet is on the verge of collapse! We have more important shit to worry about than Wilson Fisk! Besides, didn't I just see him not too long ago, give a press conference surrounded by FBI agents where him and the FBI revealed that he's been innocent all along and Daredevil set him up?
Do you see how, in a world like that, it would be pretty easy for someone like Fisk to just slip past the authorities as their attention shifts to more important things post thanos snap? Then he can just stay in the background amassing power.
#2) she's already been announced for born again, so im sure they'll explain where she's been.
#3) After what happened between Daredevil and Melvin in season 3, I doubt they're on good terms anymore.
@@illwill1991 #3 Melvin could've also died between now and then...any number of reasons., he could've been driving his car and smashed into someone who disappeared during the snap! (as example)
@@illwill1991 the other question I see is "How did Kingpin live? how dare they!" I always saw it as Echo, either intentionally or NOT, shot a 'warning shot' at Kingpin,..basically, whether consciuously or not, deliberately missed as she was still struggling with the feeling that he's "Uncle Wilson".
Lol. It will screw them up more if they “pick and choose” whats canon. If you come out and say it’s officially on your timeline in the MCU, advertising the show to help promote another show, and have another producer state its canon, it’ll be pretty hard to just “pick and choose” after that. If anything, the only pick and choose they get, is just choosing not to mention things, as long as it doesnt effect the continuity (like bringing back Ben Urich or something along those lines). Them making the show canon, is a win win for them, if they try to differ from it out, they are in for another failure. Your opinion is not fact, in fact, this video of you speaking completely retcons all of your thoughts from a previous video. So if that happens, its bound to happen again in a couple of months. Unsubbed.
It needs to be 100% cannon and they need to just not f*ck up whatever comes next. New show runners and actual television formula is coming for Daredevil Born Again. They can do this. They just got this one chance to do right by the fans
So she hulk is the side chick now.
Actually just rewatched kingpins "death" in "Hawkeye"...They dont actually show him taking that bullet to the face. Could they not have Kingpin swiping the gun quickly to side as it fired? Or a bum on the street sneaking behind Echo and she shoots at him? I mean i know its lame but its better than Kingpin getting shot in the face and offering no explanation....Shoot why not have it be a skrull she shot not the actually kingpin from Netflix which is why he is different in the echo show...BOOOM
He was suped with Cap juice in that. & not in Echo. they really are a mess.
How is he a different in echo ?
@@vsznryno he was just very strong like how comic book kingpin was and he also survived a gunshot to the eye in the comics
It's a quite simple fix just copy arrow and have flashbacks for the 5 years during the snap showing why he isn't as dark and brooding as he once was maybe he ran into Hawkeye and was like i don't wanna be like him anymore and for kingpin he could have bought that super soldier serum from sharon or carly at anytime but then again its not that far fetched that he's always been that strong the dude decapitated a man's head with a car door and that takes a lot of force to do even with him repeating doing it
I would really like John Bernthal to return to play the Punisher, but not if they're going to tone him down for 5 year olds.
I honestly liked that Daredevil and Kingpin had more of their comics accurate agility and strength in She-Hulk and Hawkeye (despite the general quality of the shows). That said, the Netflix show was so good, that it would've been great if they retained the tone of the Netflix characters and allowed them to do things closer to their comics accurate feats. But at the end of the day, they're both human and not powered, so if I have to choose between Netflix character quality or comics abilities, I'd go with character quality.
Isn’t the entire new James Gunn DCU built on this kind of thinking?? Picking and choosing what stay and what goes… and just hoping the general audience is able to follow along… even ppl online are still confused how it’s gonna work and they’re all chronically online and live in that bubble 24/7😂
I enjoyed echo too
I think all this really shows is how much of a mess the MCU really is currently.
If these characters are the same, their current appearances have been very different to those in the Netflix shows.
At least it's been many years since we last saw them, so it makes sense they're a little different. Hell, even in the mainline MCU movies, characters have fluctuated in actions and personalities from movie to movie.
Also I think someone mentioned that Matt Murdock was able to listen to half of the populations heart beat stop due to the snap by saying the Netflix series falls within the events of Infinity War continuity or something.
I dont really see how this changes anything. If the netflix series is canon bit not everything in it is then that makes this new daredevil a variant whise life is very similar but not exactly the same as the netflix one which seemed to be the plan from the beginning
Everything in those shows are canon; that's why the Marvel producer said those shows are all Sacred Timeline. John is saying this whole "pick and choose thing that I heard" because he doesn't want all the shows to be canon and he's pushing his view on it by claiming he's heard people who are from agencies told him that.