New Warning To All Ford Ecoboost Owners!
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In this video I go over some new information coming down the pipe from Ford. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Also see my all new video on this subject with the latest information-
Ford Ecoboost Engine Carbon Deposits: What You Need to Know
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I thought you were a ford tech, but independant?
I am now yes.
FordTechMakuloco I don't have a Ford - I have a Hyundai 2.0L Turbo. I see a lot of carbon too but no misfiring yet. It goes like a jet. Hopefully it will last. 20,000 km (12,500 miles)
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Can't they put a pressurized chemical in thru the Schrader valve as we do when we clean injectors?
Mike Samra Nope, the carbon deposits are on the intake valve, but the injector tip is in the combustion chamber. Therefore, anything run through the fuel system will not clean the intake valve. Ironic that more advanced injection systems lead to deposits that used to be cleaned by port injectors.
this guy is a great mechanic,i don't know if he still works in a ford shop or not but either way he knows his business,his vids have helped me a lot.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop on this. I am very concerned about the long term ramifications with/without catch can.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and your response to questions!
would using the lower octane gas create more carbon buildups? i use a mimium of 91 octane gas here we have in canada in my ecoboost
I thought it was really good you have four octane choices at the pump i have never seen that over here UK we as far as i know have only two regular and supreme 87 and 89 octane i would like to have had the choice of a higher rating for my harley four choices sweet
BILLSTMAXX :) I just got back from talking to Ford about this and they state using the recommend 87 octane is best for this issue.
alan mcclusky we have alot of choices 87 89 91 93 98 100 110 lol america is aswome
Lucky we always have to make do here the only flag i have ever flown over here is the american flag i have and always be american at heart i have had three harleys love america i should have been born american i love your free and great country regards alan American at heart one day i will hopefully visit your country.
oh have you ever thought about running methonal injection kit itll pretty much act like race gas
You do great videos sir. VERY informative, and I appreciate the time you take to do this.
Keep it up!
You got yourself another subscriber from another fellow Tech. Very happy that you put this out there because the induction services are wanted by everybody. And my father just got an F-150 2.7 so I will be very pleased to tell him you never ever get that done
Can you post a update to this video, maybe address owner maintenance request, or Ford service options to keep the buildup in check. Thanks I really like your channel and the great advise you offer, keep it up! MJ in MN
The carbon build up is still very common on turbocharged petrol BMW's
Carbon build up is pretty common in every petrol combustion engines. lol.
You explain things very well. I felt like I was in a mechanics class!
Thanks!
Here I am in 2020, just got a 2014 Taurus SHK and was debating on this, thanks for the timeless knowledge man lol
Great info I watch all your stuff and I really appreciate your time to make these I plan on watching all your stuff and I love the first do no harm perspective of this clip thanks
You're a very well spoken technician! Thanks for the very valuable information!!!
CBU (Carbon Build Up) is a huge problem with newer diesels too. Reliability seems to go way down as the ethnology advances.
cold start missfires are textbook symptoms of gdi engines having carbon buildup
Appreciate the info Brian.
Would be interesting to see the BTU output of an induction cleaner vs the fuel you'd normally run anyway. Turbos deal with WAY more heat at 5000rpm than it would probably ever see with an induction cleaner. Towing a boat up a hill should get that turbo nice and toasty too. So the turbo would have to get extremely hot to cause any seal damage. The logic seems somewhat flawed to me.
The solution to this is to take the intake off and blast the back of the intake valve with crushed walnut shells or similar media. This was developed in the early 80's by mercedes to fix this very problems on their turbo-diesels. VW, Audi, BMW, all have the same issue and need this service at 80-100k miles depending on the driving. Dealer approved procedure for them
I am looking to buy a 2017, 2018, or a 2019 F150 XLT Super Crew 4X4. When I go to any dealer I always inquire about the V8...turbos fail and are expensive to fix. There is no replacement for cubic inch displacement!
You can reduce the issue by regularly changing your oil using quality oil and only using the top brands of fuel like BP, Shell, Mobil and so on because they put in quality additives, detergents and lubricants.
According to CZcams, this is your most watched video of the hundreds you've done. I think it would be great for you to add to this or follow up with this issue on these engines...is it really happening? Is a catch can the solution? Is there a safe way to clean it out?. This would be a good one for an update.
Unless your catch can gets clogged or rusted.
Which can happen a lot quicker then one would think , even with the rx catch cans .
Seen someone destroy there truck because of a catch can also
@@PfeifferFishing then 3in1 service should help no? to clean all the carbon out.... say every 10K miles?
Thank you for the video and confirming my correct choice to order another 2019 5.0 v8 on trade for my 2013 5.0, since I couldn't get what I wanted on the lot since they were mostly 2.7 and 3.5 EcoBoost. Hope they never stop making the v8 because that will probably be the end of my Ford ownership.
Thanks for sharing this info. Brian. I'll be sharing this with friends who own these. I still have the 5.4 3v and have had very good luck so far. I think I'll be hanging on to it for a while longer too.
Went with the 5.0 in my 2015 F150. I am very happy with the motor. It sounds great and has PLENTY O POWER!
Not at 12000ft it doesn't!!!!!
Hi Mike. How do I contact you because my '13 Fusion Ecoboost AWD "blew up" about a week ago. Holes in the engine block. Parts of rods, pistons, seals found laying on the plastic under shield. Oil everywhere. I'm not sure why it happened. #1 cylinder coil pack was replaced the day before and induction service done ... at Tuscaloosa Ford. Engine was having trouble reaching 5000 rpm ... stuttering is how I described it. Hesitating or not revving or poor acceleration, also could be used to describe it. Could only replicate it with pedal to the floor, no matter what speed I was going. My insurance isn't covering it
This is the reason I stuck with normally aspirated engine in my 2015 F150.
I think the CATCH CAN is the best thing you could do for early eco-boost engines. The newer style engines have the dual injection systems. One injector sprays gas right in the cylinder and the other injector sprays the back of the intake valve and keeps it clean.
I put one on my v8 too.
How early? 2015?
Would this apply if I got a brand new engine from ford put in a 2013 car?
For any engine with direct injection.
The 2022 Mustang ecoboost is DI only………
Great video thanks for taking the time to record the process. Doesn't matter who came up with the idea all that matters is that it works. Good job, very clean.
Thank goodness I opted for the non-Ecoboost engine in my Escape!
You can't.
I love my escape eco boost its fun sporty and powerful for the little engine it has. And very fuel efficient I find. But I also run high test gas in it so maybe that’s why I get great results. Just added a k&n cone filter to replace the paper cone that it came with so I’m going to see if it makes a difference on fuel savings
I have a 2013 Escape with 2.0 Eco boost.I use nothing but real gas,no ethanol, and it is fine.Good power and fuel mileage is 32 to 35 on highway and 22 to 25 in town.Of course I try to drive sensible too.That always helps
I've done 2 induction services on my service managers 3.5 ecoboost and haven't had any problems. I've used the BG products system.
In my opinion as a certified Mercury Marine tech for 30 years, a carbon reduction additive like 'Quicksilver Quick Kleen', is essential for preventing and reducing carbon buildup in all internal combustion engines.Especially Marine engines (2 or 4 stroke), as they run much cooler than automotive (143 thermostats)- this is to prevent vapor lock in the fuel system in enclosed engine compartments etc. It is safe for all engines and disolves away excessive carbon build up in valve trains, rigs etc, It is marketed also by other manufacturers- OMC Carbon Guard, Yamaha Ring Free and, Sierra Marine's 'Combustion Clean'. These carbon cleaners also work as fuel system cleaners and help stabilize fuels. imo
I had the induction service done at Ford at about 60,000 miles on my 2014 Ford Escape 2.0L Ecoboost. It now has 73,000 miles and is coding 0299, Underboost condition. Could that induction service taken out the turbo?
sounds like it. probably wore a seal.
Thank you for a very clear explanation. I personally am averse to turbo chargers because of their high temperatures, often exceeding 600 to 700 degrees C. This is also a challenge for the turbo lubrication. A possible alternative could be an engine driven super charger which is much cooler.
Superchargers are very inefficient compared to turbochargers
great discussion i learned alot thank you now on to part 2
Wow, this brought so much clarity! I have a Ford explore 3.5 eco-boost and I ran Duralube’s engine enhancer and Duralube’s catalytic converter cleaner. My suv performed like a champ at first but now the turbo sounds like it is struggling only boosting in sporadic winds.2 weeks later after the induction.
This issue has been well known for atleast 8 years in the european car realm. Most BMW/VAG spec shops offer a media blast cleaning as a regualar service. I preform them under the terms of an "induction cleaning" because i also clean the intake manifold out best as possible. Kinda scary that the guys on your hotline didnt really see this coming. Im fairly sure BMW dealers are even offering a service for this under reg mait.
Interesting video series. Thanks
Just bought an F150 FX4 with 3.5 Ecoboost yesterday. Found a dealer that warrants engine, drivetrain AND turbos for the entire time I own the truck (no warranty transfer on future sale). With only a $100 deductible, I now feel lots more comfortable with the Ecoboost decision. Personally....I LOVE the quiet from this engine !! I am not a guy who needs the deep sound.
RD S Yes it has a very refined sound to it.
I remember Sears used to have a battery with a life time warranty, until they
started loosing money than it went away, your warranty is only good until
they start loosing money, then its on your nickel.
+Grand Negus I have it in writing. VERY specific language that protects me very well.
+John doe LOSING (not loosing) money has nothing to do with it. It is honored nationwide and I have it in writing. The only conditions are that I have it serviced at Ford....which I always do anyway.
RD S they make enough money on the service that when it comes to a repair they are ok with losing money. None the less it seems you got a good deal
Hello, love your Video. I worked in an BMW dealership as a Master Tech, back in the 80"s and this was a big problem with all vehicles of idle miss-fire. Excessive carbon build up on the Intake valves. BMW came up with a procedure of removing intake and exhaust manifolds and actually sand blasting the back end of the valves with crushed Walnuts from both directions. A long and expensive process, but effective. Preventive maintenance was to add Techron in gas tank with every other full tank. This problem will continue to be an issue until they find a better way to introduce fuel injector application and locations. I found the only way fight this right from the start is to apply a teflon additive to your fuel every once in a while. Chevron gas has it's additive of Techron, but to add more to your tank will diffidently help in the long run. Again, thanks for the Video, and good luck. OH, BTW, Don't replace the heads, dumb move, you'll just have the same problem again.
Thanks so much for this info!!!y wife's 2014 escape spews a lot of carbon out of the exhaust in the winter (gets down to - 30f here) so I thought using the seafoam products that sprays into the throttle body would help but I'm not going to risk it thanks to you
I figured they would do walnut blasting like what BMW's fix to this DI problem is. What about seafoaming it at the throttle body and not the before the turbo. I feel like that'd be a lot safer for the turbo. I just ordered my mishimoto oil catch can the other day. Hopefully it's not too late. I'm at 23k miles on my 2014 Fiesta ST...
Great Information. I have installed a methanol injection system on my 3.5 ecoboost 2011 F-150 to try to cool it down while I'm towing in the heat. It works. I'm told that this should also help clean off the valves while keeping everything cool. What are you thoughts on that approach?
Hey how much did this cost you
If you haven't, move your front license plate mount the ones in the middle block the intercooler and drive up Temps.
thank you for this post-- new owner of 2015 ecoboost mustang.
Hey there. I know this is an old video, but what is your take on continually running marvel mystery oil in the fuel and/or crank case of one of these?
very informative thank you
I love my F-150 2.7 Ecoboost, but I love that I leased it even more.
Beat that thing up and give us a update.
Mine has backfired a couple times. And stalled out. No codes. At all. Been in 3 times and they wont take it back.
Keith Romine get a catch can
I know this is late in the game but been researching 3.5 ecoboost issues prior to making a purchase. I have a 2007 Audi A3 with a 2.0 Turbo and direct injection. As with all DI engines, has lots of carbon buildup. I added a catch can and have already once done a cold valve cleaning with B&G products and soft bristle brush on a power drill. Others may use walnut shells and blast in the chamber. Obviously, the intake comes off and only one cylinder is done at a time when the valve is closed to keep junk from going into the combustion chamber. Then I vacuum it out and rinse & dry with alcohol. Seems to work for me on this configuration but it’s an I-4 with easy access. The 3.5 EB would be a much more daunting task.
Fast forward to 2021, apart from the addition throttle body injectors, what improvements has Ford made to reduce or eliminate this issue?
Great insider information, Thanks. What are your thoughts on Timing Cover leaks with the Duratec V6 engine, something about a t-joint. This engineered flaw resulting in oil weeping on to the back cat, burning off giving a strong smell. Thanks again for your research and info.
I'm wondering if the fact that these motors have so much torque down low, people don't find the need to wind up the rpm at all and that's part of the reason you're seeing carbon issues. Makes me think the old "Italian tune up" every once in a while might stave this off.
Well the carbon is the nature of the beast on these but that is a good point. I know for the 2012 explorer I talk about in the video is not driven hard for sure.
In my experience, they are programmed to lug around at low RPMs because they have low end torque.
FordTechMakuloco ie like we say over this side of the pond about fords of old give it a bit of a bollocking to blow some carbon out of the engine
Any DI engines benefit from having some sort of oil separator on the PCV system That way, there's no crap going over the intake valves.
Robert Nugent ...the problem is GDI. End of discussion.
Any thought on walnut blasting the intake valves? BMW uses this method. I had a N54 engine in a 5 series and it was common practice to clean the intakes using this method. I agree a little meth injection should help increase the interval between cleanings.
Thanks for the great work. I picked up a 2016 Ford focus st which is the 2.0L turbo engine.
What help or advice can you give me to protect my engine from having problems? I have 12000km on it and the tailpipe is pretty black, I will be putting it away for the winter as well!!!
thank you for the great info- would you advise if im looking for a used 2011 or newer FX4 to go with the V8 only?
I was thinking about a ram 1500 too, but i think the F150 might be better quality?
Thank you for this video! You're the man.
You do great work! Thanks for all the great info! Leasing a ranger right now and originally had the intention of buying it out. Looks like the F-150 5.0 is a safer long-term investment.
If you can find one. Ford is pushing the ecoboosts.
Brian,
Thanks for the info. Wondering if you have any more recent videos or information on the 2.0 EcoBoost? I have a '15 Escape with 114,000 miles.
Do you think that they added port injection along with direct injection to help with build up?
by using fuel like chevron with techron will ti make a difference keeping valve clean ??
+Roman Leszczynski It will help yes but is not the silver bullet to fix this concern.
hello FordTechMakuloco My question doesn't relate to eco-boosts however you did mention about ford escapes cats going from miss firing. This concerns me as I have just recently purchased a 2004 Mazda tribute that miss fires in heavy rain. How should I go about seeing what my problem is without spending a lot of money? It only miss fires when its wet, so is it better I take it in to a mechanic when it is doing it so they can figure it out easier? I suppose the first step would be figuring out what cylinders are miss firing. I just don't want to spend a lot of money figuring out what I need to do with it seeing as I JUST bought it not knowing about the problem. It runs fine when it isn't raining. But I do not want to mess up the cats as well. Thank you !
Private Plane Life One of the ignition coils are arching when humid causing the misfire. They can test by misting water onto them while idling.
great thank you! I will get it taken care of!
I just got an F-150 10 days ago. I hadn't heard of this issue until now, but I never did like the idea of trying to squeeze a lot of HP out of small engines. That's why I went with the 5.0 L V-8. Now I'm even happier that I did.
First of all I used to be a Ford Technician. Back on early 3.8 L there was a walnut blasting procedure for carbon on the intake valves.
Wow, it sounds like direct injection on these vehicles are depositing more carbon on the intake valve than the old carburetor days! The older SFI didn't seem to have this problem. Seems like buying a truck with the 5.0 is the best way to bypass this headache or make sure you have a warranty.
Yep, the old carb or old fuel injection would wash the intake valves of carbon but with GDI the inlet manifold or valves don't get washed, plus they have easy glide blow by pistons than let blow by gases past the pistons into the crankcase that the EGR valves then recirculate around the hot inlet manifold and head and basically bakes the carbon hard onto everything so basically the engine has been designed to strangle itself to death..
So would you recommend any current or future ecoboost owners just give it the old "Italian tune up" every now and then?
Definitely yes
The Ecoboost was made to run so Run it! All the folks who run them have clean intakes Also all the folks that run them run good fuel and oil. Wish I could tell you on here what oils not to run without being sued. With the engine off if you can feel sludge in you fill port or inside your valve cover with your finger your using one of the sludge building oils. Bad oil makes oil turn black and bad oil makes sludge and adds carbon deposits to your top end. Also it should be known a lot of people swear by the brands that are the problems and they say I have ran it all my life but I ask them if they ever had an engine that made it to 500k miles without blowing up and there answer is always no and they always tell about engines with collapsed lifters. I have never had a lifter collapse and only had one engine blow at low miles it was a bowtie and I still think it had a problem from day one.
charlie whitney what oil should we use ?
charlie whitney Can you recommend your favorite oil?
Thanks for your professional expertise.
Would installing a "wet" nitrous setup (and using it regularly!) wash that nasty buildup off the valves?
The whole issue here is that fuel is injected directly into the cylinder. Fuel, which used to clean the intake ports on its way into the cylinder, does not see the intake ports anymore on these DI systems. Why do you recommend fuel cleaner additives in your description? How will that help?
+AK540i Thanks to EGR I think that we will soon be going back to the 1950s and 1960s when it was normal to take the car off the road for a fortnight every summer for the annual decoke. In that era car insurance usually incorporated insurance for a moped that was used as back-up transport during the decoke.
A real horror story that I read last year (2015) involved a fairly new Renault diesel car that was not performing properly. It was Common Rail so "cracking" the injectors was not possible. There were no stored faults in the ECU and the cylinder compressions were all OK so the Main Dealer was baffled. Eventually the cylinder head was removed and this revealed the fault. The inlet port next to the EGR pipe was clogged with carbon! The other ports were OK hence it was a case of a four cylinder car only running on three.
My advice to Main Dealers is to get an pistol type infra-red thermometer and scan the exhaust manifold. The idea is not new as the generator-sets at a place where I worked about fifty years ago had an exhaust gas pyrometer in each exhaust port. (The engines could produce 750 BHP continuously at 300 rpm)
I dread to think how much that bit of carbon cost the punter as by the time the fault occurred, the car was out of guarantee. Duh!
PS With the right interface, software and a laptop it is possible to "kill" each injector in turn. The drop in revs should of course be the same for each injector. If the car has had an aftermarket CD player installed instead of the OEM radio it is quite likely that the diagnostics socket will no longer work. This is a very common fault. Good luck!
+Tech Davey My advise is buy a GM truck.
+Tech Davey Just read about this in another video
+super kart Fuck off -GM Truck owner
just make sure you have a fire extinguisher ...
this is easy... oil catch can, EGR delete, and get a water-meth injection kit... going on my 6th year owning a direct injection turbo charged car and this is how you prevent carbon build up. Scheduled cleaning is also very recommended... NOT SEAFOAM... BMW suggests using walnut media and a media blaster to scrub the valves clean.
+Mike “MS3inDC” Arnwine Blasting? That sounds very involved. As in removing the top end of the engine, no?
AK540i no, no need to remove the valve cover or head. Remove the intake manifold to gain access to the valves. You'll need a crank key to get each cylinder to TDC (top dead center) to make sure none of the walnut media gets into the combustion chamber. A shop vac and gun cleaning kit will also be needed to scrub the valves in place and vacuum out the media. It's time consuming but not all that difficult to do.
I have pictures of when I did it on my profile.
+Mike “MS3inDC” Arnwine yes this is the only think that works. meth helps, but not perfectly. and u don't need a crank key, just have to turn the drive wheel while in 4th gear.
This is on a Direct Injection engine?
Just water your Pistons,,,. Water in a Windex spray bottle,,,, spread in the carburetor or spread in the throttle body,,,, or any way to get it in the intake manifold,,,, turns black carbon into white powder,,,. !!!!
VW, had this happen on the 06 to 08.5 GTI's. They remedied it by placing injectors before the values as well as directly into the port.
Luckily the intake is fairly easy to get off on the older ones, normally three values are closed with one open. normal procedure is to tape off the open valve, soak the gunk in a cleaning agent and scrape and vacuum the gunk out and rinse and repeat until clean.
It's a pain, however it's only needed every 50-100k depending how the car is driven.
Some drivers have also added meth injection not only as a octane booster but to have the ability to clean the values without manually cleaning them.
Hope this helps.
Toyota does this too.
theres any catch can kit for a Fiesta 1.0lt ecoboost? i mean, i supposed that the 1.0lt. ecoboost has the same problem, right?
I said from the outset that the Turbos on the F150s are not worth the added complications they bring.
Stick with a naturally aspirated 5.0 and you will have a lot less issues in the long run.
We never see 5.0l for problems.
FordTechMakuloco I think that Coyote engine will continue to be the most dependable that Ford has. I'll probably catch an uppercut for this but oh well-This is the biggest reason Toyota didn't listen when people said they needed to do direct injection on the 5.7. They knew 7 years ago not to do it.
I agree even though I do like the 3.5L. I just bought a 2014 f150 with the 5.0 because I think that old school naturally aspirated v8 will give me years of service in the construction world.
chad haire As long as you don't get it stuck in mud and try to get it out because you will need to have the transmission replaced and that's from one of my friends that rebuilds transmission for a liven for the past 30 years.
He don't know. I could spin the tires to china and the driveshaft will break before tran
I went back and forth about whether to buy the 3.5 eco boost or the 5.0 V-8. I’m old school so of course I went with the V-8 for my new 2020. Nothing beats the rumble of a V-8. Thanks for video bud.
Good choice. How has it been running...that 5.0? Ford screws up with Ecoboost and next screw up will be EV vehicles that almost nobody wants.
Bringback the inline 6 !
Do you recommend using BG44K, in the tank, to clean injectors or will this mess up the turbos?
My sister has a Hyundai and it wasn't running properly. I was redlining it in 1st (auto) and using the back pressure to slow down the car and speed back up. Back and forth, back and forth. Bottom line, grey smoke, which I'm assuming was carbon, was SPEWING from the exhaust and then it started running much better.
Catch can, ford sells these for the mustang as a factory upgrade. All cars should have a oil catch. I have them on all my cars.
so oil catch can will solve this problem? gonna look into it.
All the stuff the PCV sucks up (oil, gas, blowby and water vapors) ends up coating your intake and intake valves and then turns into a black baked on crud.
phiksit what's the fix, solution, or prevention?
a catch can wont solve the problem just slow it down .. or make it worse if not drained ... if the injector was on the port, it would clean the valve
@@skaterpro9111 Lexus 3.5L engines have 2 injectors(one washes the valves) since 2005. Ford Stole the idea.
lexus's 5.0 v8 has both port and direct injection to eliminate the carbon issue
+Donny Rino Subaru BRZ and Scion FRS also use that dual application.
+Fussinated so does the 3.5 in the new Tacoma..it's the D4S Atkinson Cycle. direct/port injection.
+Lights-Guns-Outdoors Also axle problems - Toys not perfect!
2018 Fords have that
The Ranger does not have it, probably going to suffer carbon build up issues.
I'm planning on buying a 2017 Ford Raptor that has the second generation 3.5L ecoboost V6.
Would you recommend that I install a catch can system on this second generation engine?
Also is there anything else that you can recommend that I add or change to this new engine to improve the performance or preserve the engine, intake system and turbos...???
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for sharing such an important piece of intel.👍. I'll make sure to share it with my "boosted" friends.
Toyota solved the direct injection by adding Bi injectors to each cylinder. There is a direct injection injector and an above valve injector. This allows the fuel to clean the injectors at 3/4 to WOT throttle. I think Nissan does this to.
DOMINION PIE Interesting.
FordTechMakuloco
Apologies, I meant valves.
DOMINION PIE
I work at Toyota. This is true lol.
***** My 07 Tacoma 2.7 with 104 k miles runs better than new, but the exhaust pipe end does have a lot of black carbon, whereas my Wife's 04 Malibu v6 has a much lighter color tailpipe.
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3.5 EcoBoost is a good engine . Put a JTL catch can on it
@@gwho oil separator, look on youtube for lots of info about them
You mentioned seafoam is that just adding it to the fuel can do that damage?
i like your videos ,i took your advice and switched to 5/30 on my 1 ton 08 5.4 3 valve , how often on plugs on this engine ? a follower ,
dude thank you!!!
I drive and research Volkswagen and I have encountered the carbon buildup in my 2012 GLI, and the lead tech at the VW dealer I did my internship at told me the way he cleans the intake valves on the VW direct injection engines is with a media blaster using walnut shells. Not sure if that is something Ford has looked into
Ford has used a similar setup on their cars as far back as the early 80's but its not approved for the new vehicles.
For 10 years, VW would send you 30 zip ties and you'd rub them down the valves to clean out carbon. It was their legit procedure.
Media blasting with walnut shells it's the shit.👍. No cylinder head R&R is a big relief. I can't see how it would hurt any other engine unless it's made out of candle wax or playdoug.
so what do we do to alleviate this or keep this from happening to ours we have a fusion with the 2.0 ecoboost.Catchcan?
Are seeing any strange idle problems with the ecoboost? Only when the AC is on and the rpm drops just a little. It doesn't feel like it's going to stall but it's like a vibration and then returns to normal for a few seconds and then does it again. Interested in hearing your thoughts!
The biggest issue is that the manufacturers are aware of ‘known’ problems but deny liability
That's always the case. GM's AFM is a perfect example of that. Every manufacturer has their issues and they refuse to warranty them. Been that way for 40 yrs. that I know of!
Why has it become common practice for manufacturers to push a product to consumers and basically let them (the consumer) test it? This is BS and the reason I dont buy stuff that just came out. I dont make a purchase until it has been on the market for a while and issues are found and corrected. Its total crap, and nobody (group or agency) will do anything about it. Every manufacturer is doing it too, its not a ford vs gm vs dodge/ram/fiat, its consumer vs corporation.
swmp9x19 totally agree. I bought a new 2014 Focus, not knowing about it using a CVT transmission. In the shop twice under warranty, traded it in on a 2017 Escape S , regular 2.5 liter engine, having heard bad things about eco boost. Added leather seats, remote start, I can do without the other options.
We are Guinea Pigs. Just like the general population is when it comes to the FDA and drugs.
Thank the EPA
This is the reason why I bought a Toyota Tundra! Everyone calls out Toyota for not changing and redesigning them every other year.. But Toyota found a quality set up and they stick with it!
Because back in the days when a man was starting a business he was caring about his product, then about the costumers then about the money. Now the second and third generations of company owners are caring about money, then themselves, then their product and finally the dumb ass who buying the chitty product, the costumers...
Thank You !! I was about to dump some Sea Foam in my 2015 Expedition but couldn’t get the flap open on the fill neck
I have a 2015 Ford EScape equipped with the 1.6 ecoboost engine.WHat do you think is the best gas additive to use to possibly help avoid the buildup on the valves and turbo? It has 8,000 miles on it right now and I have used STP gas treatment 3 times so far.I appreciate your advice,Brian...Jim in ohio.
This is why i keep my ohv ,not ohc 4.0 ranger. terrible mileage, but simple and reliable.
I think there is a few more problems here: 1-these cars are being driven straight away without proper warming up, 2-they are driven too slow(too low RPM) and 3-engines are being fuelled by a lower octane RON 90 instead of 95/98. Deposits can be cleaned easily by using a good quality petrol additives.
I know this is 5 years old, but "proper warmup" is driving your car normally, not beating on it at first. Low octane has nothing to do with deposits. You need to learn what the purpose of octane ratings is.
Hey, what do you think of the 2010 Ford Focus ST 2.5L Turbo? thoughts on the maintenance costs and usual issues?
I'm not a mechanic, so please excuse if this is a silly question. Would regular fuel system cleaners such as Red Line also cause the same problems with the turbos as the induction flushes? Or is this a viable method of minimizing the carbon buildup that would not harm the engine? In Germany, the mechanics there recommended running direct injected cars full throttle at regular intervals on the autobahn to keep them clean, but sadly, we do not have that option in the USA... I just purchased a Ford 2017 with a 3.5L Ecoboost, so this is very interesting for me. Thanks for any insight.
I've viewed all your ecoboost videos with much interest, and many others as well on this subject. I was particularly interested in all of your communications with Ford engineers on the carbon build up issue. I found it odd that they themselves acknowledged the issue, but didn't seem to think it was a serious enough an issue to come up with a fix other than a complete head replacement. I find it odd, unless the catch can solution falls outside of the EPA constraints, or mounting replacement/repair costs haven't reached a threshold, that they wouldn't suggest this and/or incorporate this into new models and retroactively make this a solution for older models? Maybe it's the old "planned obsolescence" model rearing its ugly head?
After 20 years of working with aircraft and turbo engines, this is nothing new. Turbo's usually mean trouble somewhere down the line. Aircraft engines which must be overhauled at specific times by FAA regs are a good example. Virtually the same identical engine normally aspired is rated for 1700 to 2000 hours of operation. Turbo the same engines and this is reduced to 1200 and sometimes lower than that. Since the FAA mandated low lead fuels these engines seldom make it to TBO. (Time between overhauls) The comment below in regards to fuel quality is accurate also. Not all fuels are created equal. Find one that works and stick with it.
I think one of the main problems that people cause themselves is using the aftermarket tuners that you can plug right in and change your settings according to what you're using the vehicle for. Causes carbon to build up on the engine performance is going to be altered. The shifting RPM placement will be different and there will be more an issue with the carbon buildup according to the gas that you use and where you purchase your gas Along with the octane of your gas. Usually have octane booster or just mix it with straight racing gas high octane. 1/4 gallon for each 10 gallons of regular fuel. And make sure you plan on driving for at least a half a tank of gas that day. It will show noticeable Improvement
Thankyou for this tip, know I know what to tell all my friends. I can understand exsalst valve but not intake hope all is well with you and keep up the good work
I owned a 2007 MINI Cooper S, and it had all kinds of issues with carbon buildup. I should have done more research before I bought it, but back then I didn't really know how Direct Injection was different from port injection. Every 6-9 months carbon would build up and BMW charged over $800 for a "walnut blasting" procedure which is exactly that- they blast Walnut shells to get rid of the caked on carbon. I used Shell V-Power 93 every time I filled up, but that does nothing to prevent the carbon build up. I will avoid all DI engines and engines with turbos until I'm forced to buy one. By the way, I got rid of that car and now drive a 2011 Ford Fusion with the 3.0L V6. More complications in engine tech=more problems.
+mhirst16 : Yup. The underlying problem isn't the direct injection itself. It's really the PCV and EGR systems that create the coking of the intake valves in the first place. With indirect injection, the fuel and fuel cleaning additives are just constantly cleaning the gunk from the valves as the incoming fuel charge passes over the intake valves and into the combustion chamber. With direct fuel injection, the fuel charge never gets near the back side of the intake valves, because it is directly injected into the combustion chamber, AFTER the intake valves. THAT, my friend, is the real issue. Eliminate EGR and PCV, and the vast majority of your valve coking problems should go away.
+Turbo Diesel So what about the newer DI engines, such as I believe it's GM's 3.5L V6, in the Impala and Lacrosse. Nice power plant, makes 305hp I think. But, will those motors eventually suffer the same carbon buildup fate? I read somewhere that it's 50/50, but that if they don't, it'll be because of the Variable Valve Timing they employ. Thoughts? Toyota makes engines that are both Port and Direct because I'm sure they want to be certain their customers won't have that problem
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I recently read an article about VVT keeping the intake manifold much cleaner by eliminating the EGR valve. The article was dated sometime in 2016 so its recent research.
www.aa1car.com/library/egr.htm
In CA it's likely you won't pass smog with EGR and PCV deletes on your engine. Also your dash will light up like a Christmas tree.
what do you think of mkz 2015 they have eco boost engines and they are basically ford fusions any advice?
Problem solved at least on the 2.7 in my 2018 f150. They added port injection with the direct injection. Love my little ecoboost
By an "induction service" are you referring to cleaning of the fuel injectors? And does that harm to the turbo include from the use of fuel injector cleaners sold at auto parts stores?
Nice to see you still at it Makuloco, Been thru 2 fusions and loved being so well informed about em. Was going for a tacoma pro but now im going ranger because of the power and overall ford ride/drive quality ive enjoyed for cheap over the years. I was looking at tacomas and then was in Panama and saw these new rangers before they came out here. I was in love. Knowing how dead honest you always are, would you say the ranger is solid with the ecoboost 2.3? I can literally get anything I want but I need some fuel economy for long cross continental runs and some serious off roading/crossings. Also something I can repair (hopefully not) but everywhere in the world. Toyota used to be my only choice now with the ranger being literally international it looks like a pretty fn solid choice.