My father was in the Fleet Air Arm, and worked on the Avenger and Wildcat. HMS Trumpeter, a convoy escort carrier built in the USA, flying American planes. This included a convoy escort to Russia. Without American help we would never have defeated the Nazis. God bless America. They were brave men. I have seen the Avenger close up at the Fleet Air Arm museum, Yeovilton. The folding wing design is amazing.
True, but we had to teach them how to land Corsairs on aircraft carriers. Actually, it was some F.A.A pilot called Stipmson or something, posh officer , had sympathy with Japan in the 20s or early thirties, taught them how to land on aircraft carriers. Totally unofficial and think he got a bollocking for it, plus our Swordfish attack on Taranto, gave the Japs the confidence to do Pearl Harbour. Mind you, we had a playboy spy, think he was Polish, upper class, told Hoover about the plan about Pearl Harbour, but Hoover didn't like him so ignored the information. Either way, they knew about Pearl Harbour but 'allowed it to happen ' to bring the Yanks into the war. Y'know, like JFK and 9/11. Actually, for the 'land of the free,' their alphabet agencies are the worst. At least you know about the KGB or MI5, MI6, but plausible denial is on a whole different level with that lot. The term 'dont piss on my back and tell me it's raining ' should be their moniker. Could be Sempson, that bloke.
As a child I remember one in the playground of Havelock north, crawling inside and sitting in the pilots seat, walking out to the wingtip. I’m imagine the health and safety horror now, not that anyone ever fell off and actually died but maybe the odd broken arm. They are massive aircraft and extremely tough.
@@dazmac159 It was because of the half man/half woman Helen Clarke that our pilots went across the ditch.. we should reinstate our Strike Wing I think we should get the Saab Gripen plane ✈️🇳🇿
@@allgood6760 perfect for Nz, high tech fast affordable, and it’s not going to be a hassle to sell in the future. Plus if you get the E model it can super cruise as well. Air to ground, air to ship, air to air. It does its all and bette than a F35 POS.
Judging by the rescue efforts dude was KIA. As the Flyboys used to say……… He loved his plane, he loved to fly. He never thought he’d be the one to die. But don’t be sad and don’t feel blue. Who knows tomorrow, it could be you….. Salute.
The wounded Avenger gunner was luckier than the rear gunner of a hapless SBD-3 Dauntless dive bomber in another silent, black-and-white film. The Dauntless might have been caught by a Japanese A6M3 Zero-sen which hit the rear gunner with 20mm cannon and 7.7mm machine gun bullets. After barely landing on the carrier, the deck personnel didn't even bother scooping out the pulverized remains of the gunner. They placed a large canvas sheet over the rear gunner, held a memorial service by the chaplain, attended by those on deck and those not on duty, then simply pushed the entire SBD-3 into the ocean, the dive bomber being the coffin of the rear gunner.
That was an Avenger that was apaprently hit by a medium-caliber anti-aircraft shell, footage and details here: old.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/18szwcc/grumman_avenger_lands_uss_essex_with_23_year_old/
@@bensmith7536 I watched that same video several times over. It's a documentary short video. I did not record the name of it so that I could prove it to you.
It was probably this busy guy, the Belly Gunner/Bombardier/Navigator - The MG gunner doubled as navigator, and had three positions inside the large fuselage: He was seated behind the pilot during flight to communicate more easily about the road taken and coordination with the rest of the squadron, but can double as bombardier, belly gunner and camera operator, aiming the bombs or torpedoes. The bombardier had a folding seat to quickly swap to the lower fuselage posting, both managing its bombardier/torpedo roles in the front section, or manage on the rear section the defensive machine gun under the tail section. The belly gunner had to provide navigation, bomb aiming, but also acted as radio operator. Tail Gunner - The dorsal, rear turret gunner did not swapped positions, being stuck at its post on a dedicated fixed seat, under a rounded framed enclosure. They were to defend it when in its most vulnerable, during an attack run.
@@JT-io9ii How so??? My life, my finances, and our respect around the world are doing fine under Biden. Trump is the one who thought Putin and Kim Jong Un were "great" guys. I don't like Biden but he's still better than Trump. Find me another Reagan and we'll talk!
@@JT-io9ii WTH are you thinking? Do you only get your news off of used toilet paper, such as Faux News, the Dredge Report, or that criminal Bannon? WTH up, read/look at an actual news report & respond accordingly! Do you really want TRATOR #45 again? If so, just toddle off to your favorite autocratic country & be happy.
The plane probably climbed and the engine was started to position and take off. As a wounded man arrived, due to the urgency of taking him down, there was no time to wait for the engine to be turned off and start the whole process over again.
Wild assed speculation -- maybe it's just going to refuel and re-arm and shutting it down would mean too long a warmup afterwards? I don't really believe it, but I got nothing else.
That plane will taxi to its spot on the hangar deck. Saves timed during recoveries when aircraft need to be spotted below lickety split. Exact opposite reason why you see planes coming up from the hangar already turning.
wouldn't that be too dangerous though? in a assumadely super tight spot below decks, in a hanger already filled with aircraft. if that prop even nicks something, the prop would explode flying shrapnel everywhere. @@jkaposi
Probably to get the plane out of the way and or to load it with another torpedo for the next mission? In some cases, the forward carriers had to make room for other planes that did not originate from them due to lack of fuel or damage that prevented them from reaching their own carriers.@@edwardd9702
The gunner was decapitated by an anti-aircraft shell that came up through the bottom, and more or less went up into his body from bottom to top. His name was Loyce Deen . He was buried at sea inside that plane as it was too messed up. It was the only burial at sea in a plane during WW 2.
@@johnwhodat8135 It was an Avenger as well, you can see the footage here: old.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/18szwcc/grumman_avenger_lands_uss_essex_with_23_year_old/
@@hw97karbine My mistake, never saw the whole video. I saw the aircraft numbers and the plane nums. were 83 on the one and 93 on the other and just caught a glimpse.
At first thats what I thought but this is a totally different video. On the decapitated vid he is left in the plane and finger prints are made then they toss it over board. This one the guy was removed and the tail gun was not hit, the navigator part of the cockpit was very much hit.
My father was in the Fleet Air Arm, and worked on the Avenger and Wildcat. HMS Trumpeter, a convoy escort carrier built in the USA, flying American planes. This included a convoy escort to Russia. Without American help we would never have defeated the Nazis. God bless America. They were brave men. I have seen the Avenger close up at the Fleet Air Arm museum, Yeovilton. The folding wing design is amazing.
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True, but we had to teach them how to land Corsairs on aircraft carriers. Actually, it was some F.A.A pilot called Stipmson or something, posh officer , had sympathy with Japan in the 20s or early thirties, taught them how to land on aircraft carriers. Totally unofficial and think he got a bollocking for it, plus our Swordfish attack on Taranto, gave the Japs the confidence to do Pearl Harbour. Mind you, we had a playboy spy, think he was Polish, upper class, told Hoover about the plan about Pearl Harbour, but Hoover didn't like him so ignored the information. Either way, they knew about Pearl Harbour but 'allowed it to happen ' to bring the Yanks into the war. Y'know, like JFK and 9/11. Actually, for the 'land of the free,' their alphabet agencies are the worst. At least you know about the KGB or MI5, MI6, but plausible denial is on a whole different level with that lot. The term 'dont piss on my back and tell me it's raining ' should be their moniker. Could be Sempson, that bloke.
Brave souls.. our RNZAF operated Avenger planes in WW2✈️.. thanks from NZ 👍🇳🇿
As a child I remember one in the playground of Havelock north, crawling inside and sitting in the pilots seat, walking out to the wingtip. I’m imagine the health and safety horror now, not that anyone ever fell off and actually died but maybe the odd broken arm. They are massive aircraft and extremely tough.
@@Rob-vv5yn They were called the Flying Beer Barrel...tough aeroplane... cheers from Wgtn✈️👍🇳🇿
And now we have nothing because of Helen Clarke!
@@dazmac159 It was because of the half man/half woman Helen Clarke that our pilots went across the ditch.. we should reinstate our Strike Wing I think we should get the Saab Gripen plane ✈️🇳🇿
@@allgood6760 perfect for Nz, high tech fast affordable, and it’s not going to be a hassle to sell in the future. Plus if you get the E model it can super cruise as well. Air to ground, air to ship, air to air. It does its all and bette than a F35 POS.
Bold lad just comfortably sitting near the spinning propeller while the platform goes down.
Standing.
Sit-epidemic.
@@kiereluurs1243speaking of sitting, it must be difficult for you to do with that stick firmly up your a-
Didn't see anyone sitting near the prop
Judging by the rescue efforts dude was KIA. As the Flyboys used to say………
He loved his plane, he loved to fly.
He never thought he’d be the one to die.
But don’t be sad and don’t feel blue.
Who knows tomorrow, it could be you…..
Salute.
The passenger was very much alive when they took him off the plane. He was a gunner, not a pilot.
The wounded Avenger gunner was luckier than the rear gunner of a hapless SBD-3 Dauntless dive bomber in another silent, black-and-white film. The Dauntless might have been caught by a Japanese A6M3 Zero-sen which hit the rear gunner with 20mm cannon and 7.7mm machine gun bullets. After barely landing on the carrier, the deck personnel didn't even bother scooping out the pulverized remains of the gunner. They placed a large canvas sheet over the rear gunner, held a memorial service by the chaplain, attended by those on deck and those not on duty, then simply pushed the entire SBD-3 into the ocean, the dive bomber being the coffin of the rear gunner.
That was an Avenger that was apaprently hit by a medium-caliber anti-aircraft shell, footage and details here: old.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/18szwcc/grumman_avenger_lands_uss_essex_with_23_year_old/
not sure how you arrived at those details, its a well known clip.
@@bensmith7536 I watched that same video several times over. It's a documentary short video. I did not record the name of it so that I could prove it to you.
It was probably this busy guy, the Belly Gunner/Bombardier/Navigator - The MG gunner doubled as navigator, and had three positions inside the large fuselage: He was seated behind the pilot during flight to communicate more easily about the road taken and coordination with the rest of the squadron, but can double as bombardier, belly gunner and camera operator, aiming the bombs or torpedoes. The bombardier had a folding seat to quickly swap to the lower fuselage posting, both managing its bombardier/torpedo roles in the front section, or manage on the rear section the defensive machine gun under the tail section. The belly gunner had to provide navigation, bomb aiming, but also acted as radio operator.
Tail Gunner - The dorsal, rear turret gunner did not swapped positions, being stuck at its post on a dedicated fixed seat, under a rounded framed enclosure. They were to defend it when in its most vulnerable, during an attack run.
Everyone there is a hero. Thanks to them America is still here.
Thanks to biden we are dying
@@JT-io9ii How so??? My life, my finances, and our respect around the world are doing fine under Biden. Trump is the one who thought Putin and Kim Jong Un were "great" guys. I don't like Biden but he's still better than Trump. Find me another Reagan and we'll talk!
@@JT-io9ii WTH are you thinking? Do you only get your news off of used toilet paper, such as Faux News, the Dredge Report, or that criminal Bannon? WTH up, read/look at an actual news report & respond accordingly! Do you really want TRATOR #45 again? If so, just toddle off to your favorite autocratic country & be happy.
@@Meibeon still stuck on the collusion lie huh?
Bless your rainbow fartin heart.
Youll figure it all out once you grow up and out of your pro-nouns.
@@JT-io9ii Truer words were never spoken. The Democrat Party is Lyndon Johnson's party and has been an agonizing death ever since.
That propeller spinning as the elevator descends, for me, is a mystery :/
The plane probably climbed and the engine was started to position and take off. As a wounded man arrived, due to the urgency of taking him down, there was no time to wait for the engine to be turned off and start the whole process over again.
Same day they were hit by a kamikaze.
Why is the prop still spinning when they are going down the elevator with the wounded gunner?
Wild assed speculation -- maybe it's just going to refuel and re-arm and shutting it down would mean too long a warmup afterwards? I don't really believe it, but I got nothing else.
That plane will taxi to its spot on the hangar deck. Saves timed during recoveries when aircraft need to be spotted below lickety split. Exact opposite reason why you see planes coming up from the hangar already turning.
wouldn't that be too dangerous though? in a assumadely super tight spot below decks, in a hanger already filled with aircraft. if that prop even nicks something, the prop would explode flying shrapnel everywhere. @@jkaposi
Maybe something to do with folding the wings, needing the engine running to power the hydraulics.
Probably to get the plane out of the way and or to load it with another torpedo for the next mission? In some cases, the forward carriers had to make room for other planes that did not originate from them due to lack of fuel or damage that prevented them from reaching their own carriers.@@edwardd9702
The gunner was decapitated by an anti-aircraft shell that came up through the bottom, and more or less went up into his body from bottom to top. His name was Loyce Deen . He was buried at sea inside that plane as it was too messed up. It was the only burial at sea in a plane during WW 2.
The Deen footage is quite well known, this is a separate incident.
@@hw97karbine..that was a dauntless incident wasn't it?
@@johnwhodat8135 It was an Avenger as well, you can see the footage here: old.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/18szwcc/grumman_avenger_lands_uss_essex_with_23_year_old/
@@hw97karbine My mistake, never saw the whole video. I saw the aircraft numbers and the plane nums. were 83 on the one and 93 on the other and just caught a glimpse.
At first thats what I thought but this is a totally different video. On the decapitated vid he is left in the plane and finger prints are made then they toss it over board. This one the guy was removed and the tail gun was not hit, the navigator part of the cockpit was very much hit.
Can't help but compare the American men then and what we have now.
@@Meibeon says the panda who poops rainbows.
@@Meibeon yawn....
Don't have to be.
Just a ton smarter than you.
@@Meibeon try harder son...
@@Meibeon I'll take "What potato joe biden would say during a speech" for $500
Can you imagine today's freaks then😂 "I have autism here's my Drs note","I'm offended by your plane I protest"," I'm a Trans can I go",etc 😂😂
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The avenger is a large aircraft.. a different world from what the allies started ww2 with..
Just a sad scene !
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