Penn Slammer 3 WORST FEATURE Ever (Remove the Auto Bail Trip)
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
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Have you ever head the loud snap of your line as your $20 saltwater plug goes flying into the ocean? This has been a common issue for many using the Penn Slammer 3 3500 - 5500 series reels with the auto bail trip feature. In this video I will show you how to remove the auto bail trip feature from your Penn Slammer 3 and make it like the larger 6500 - 10500 series reels with the manual bail trip.
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This is the best therapy for those that have been stigmatized by the bail closing and loss of lures.... Emotionally better now, thanks!😂
Always glad to help :)
I was a little concerned at first that something major was flawed with the Penn Slammer reels, but your fixed was fairly easy with a bit of instruction! I like to video myself when doing things like this, so I remember exactly how it all went back together in the event I get something out of order. It was easy enough to follow along with yours though! Clear and concise directions to fix it! Nicely done!
Should have got it on video when I lost my first $20 lure....then a second.....lol I did some research and found I was not the only one to experience this....so I found a fix
@@1Cast1Fish Those make for the best videos!
Thanks for the video. Been meaning to look into how to do this for my 5500. I've lost a few nice plugs with the reel. Also, I'm like a lot of folks in that I usually screw stuff up when I attempt to take them apart. This modification was easy as pie. The hardest part was starting the screw that holds the ramp in when I put it back in after removing the ramp. Thanks again. I will now not hesitate to throw the heavy plugs with this again. Great reels!
Yeah that screw was a pain for me too....it just did not want to start right. Glad you got it done and hope you enjoy it a lot more now that you won't be losing baits.
So an 8500HS doesn't have that part in it? Recently purchased an 8500HS and just curious. No sense braking it down if it's not there lol.
Great instructional video!
Thx man!
Great information! Thank you bro! Based on the idea I 've solved my 5500 pre mature bail closing issue that haunted me so long!
That is awesome, so glad to hear this will help...I have lost probably 100+ dollars in lures....lol
Thanks for the video! This happened to me the first time using my Slammer 5500. I snapped the line from premature bail closing four out of eight cast in Brigantine N.J. That was the first time that had ever happened with a spinning reel!
Follow this videos steps and that problem should go away....Glad you found the info useful.
Thank's for the info on these reels as I have the 4500 and the 5500. I haven't experienced this issue yet and did not know of it until I watched this video. I will do this to my reels because, my luck would be I lose an expensive lure. Anyone running braid should always manually reset the bail any way so this automatic feature is useless.
Agreed, I always manually resey mine as well
I saw an excellent argument from tackle advisors for why automatic bails are an anachronism, better left with the external reversing switch - in antiques.
I think you're the only guy who has told people how to remove it.
I agree...not really needed and they tend to do more harm (Line Twist) than good IMO.
Just bought one, haven't used it yet so this is very timely for me.....thanks!
I am sure you will love them....they are extremely tough
Appreciate you producing this video to address this Possible Issue if you cast lures. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Good info to know about the Penn reel. I currently don't own any Penn reels but will keep it in mind. Thanks for the great info.
When you get a few for the surf, now you will know :)
Very good step by step instructions man, I really like your details 👍🏻💯
Thank you, I am sure that many others with these reels will be doing this now.
I love that you gave this an honest review. Thanks
Thank you, a few lost lures and some internet research turned this one up
Great info bud, helpin out your fellow saltys, you probably saved your viewers some serious cash,continued success sir from Jim at R & J
I sure hope so...these lures can get expensive
Thanks for the review and info buddy!! Thanks for sharing with us!!
Thank you....I am sure this will help someone out there since it seems to be a common issue.
If you have the bail arm in the correct place when casting i.e line roller near finger holding the line- it won't close from momentum during casting. I agree though, I hate auto bail arms, I never use them and have always opened and closed them manually. Using them puts unnecessary pressure on parts like gears and the rotor. Only ever seen Chinese gents using the auto trip. All us Kiwis flick them open and closed by hand. Cheers for the vid mate. Dave down under
Thanks for the comment and can not agree more about closing the bail manually on all spinning reels...it also helps keep them pesky wind knots and line twist down.
Awesome tip and great step by step instructions.
Thank you
Good tip. I sometimes tear something apart and am like how the hell does this go back together lol
Me too!
LOL....I used to be like that, now labels and pictures all the way....lol
Great information. Just get in the habit of closing bail manually. I just dont think its good for the reel or the line using the auto bail feature on any spinning reel. A few times sure no problem. But hundreds of times typically when you are casting lures, i think it makes a difference...my humble opinion of course lol...
Me as well....but the main issue with these reels, is that when surf casting with weight and bait....the momentum would close the bail on its own mid cast resulting in a snapped line and lost gear.
Awesome info man. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Appreciate this. My BG 4000 did this to me today and ruined the reel and lost my lure so I’m definitely doing this when I buy the Penn.
Sorry to hear about that, wonder if those reels have the ramps like the Penn that can be removed? Keep a eye on Amazon for them, they run some good deals sometimes....that's when I bought mine
1Cast 1Fish Possibly, but I think the Penn is a big step above the BG so I’m going to order this ASAP . I have a 9ft penn rod any recommendations on the size slammer i pair it with ? Thanks again for this! Glad I came across it before buying one! Hope you have a great 4th btw!
Which 9ft Penn rod?
Thank you!!!! I lost 3 dark matter pencil poppers in 2 hours in Montauk this fall, never again!!!!
Sorry to hear that...I feel your pain....this should help....no issues since for me
Tanks for the tio brother appreciate you time 👍🏼
No problem….hope it helps...thank you
very nice problem solving video for that reel
Took a bit of research, but figured it out
great tip and tutorial, well done
Thank you
Great tip and I info. Thanks for sharing.
You are very welcome buddy
Very helpful! Thank You
You are welcome
I looked at up and that's a really good idea except for one thing that voids the warranty of the real not that that real needs warranty none of the slammer 3 needs a warranty but still well there you have it
I saved the ramp, and if need be it is super easy to reinstall
You just saved me loads of cash! Thank you.
They are great reels, just I wish the middle sizes did not have the auto trip feature on the bail since many use them for light saltwater casting.
Thank you for this awesome info. Have you had any issues with your line getting stuck in the line holder on the spool when you cast. I experience that this past weekend and wonder if that piece can also be removed?
Nope never had a issue with that, is yours bent by chance causing it to catch more?
Tu 9. Thanks for sharing!! Glad i got this info
You are welcome
thank you for the awesome tip
You are welcome
I do not use these reels but great tip my friend! we need to get together and do some fishing sometime!
Yes we do....I am really only free right now on Sundays mostly since I am spending a lot of time in the deer woods.
@@1Cast1Fish well we might be ablt to meet up at lake anna one sunday possibly
Sometimes you just want to scratch your head and wonder if companies even bother field testing anything anymore before releasing it. Good catch on how to fix the problem!👍💯
Agreed, but I think it's just the nature of heavy baits and long surf rods and the momentum that is generated. Glad it is a easy fix to get rid of the feature.
Very useful info.
Indeed
Thanks for the vid. I wish I saw this about $70 earlier 🤦♂️
I take it you have fell victim to a lot of lost baits too
@@1Cast1Fish I have indeed. But I have since removed the part and it has made all the difference 👍
Jase good to hear this helped
The only issue I had was putting the last screw, the one that removed the auto trip piece, otherwise this was very helpful.
That last one can be a bit tricky
I just bought this reel and had no idea there was an issue. Just stumbled across this video thankfully. So, just to clarify, is the problem during casting and the bail closes from the energy of the cast? Thanks
Exactly...lobing light stuff is no real issue, but when you heave bigger baits and lead out there, I think the momentum just snaps the thing closed.....but problem solved :)
Wow man you just help me save from losing so many $$$ here. I just lost my $40 lure yesterday and not to mention a bunch of others that also lost by Slammer 3. I love this reel so much that I gave it 9/10 better than my van staal VR. But I would give it 10/10 if it doesn’t automatically bail closing feature. I almost threw this reel into water yesterday after my below plug is thrown into ocean. After I found your video, it is fixed now. I nearly considering buying a new reel with manual. Thank a lot brother, you help me save $ and my reel.
Thats awesome to hear this helped...thats why I decided to post it...I am amazed how many it has actually helped so far.
Nice video mate
Thank you
Fantastic video. Issue sorted ! Now, have you heard of braid getting trapped between the line roller and the bail arm in a tiny gap there? Instead of the braid sitting on the roller properly it tends to find that little gap on the retrieve. Seen that before? Any ideas about a fix?
I have heard of that from a few people, but never experienced this myself. The lowest braid I use is 30lb so maybe the thicker braids have no issue ...not sure.
1Cast 1Fish my thinking exactly. I’ve ordered some 40lb braid and will be very happy to lose a yard or two on the cast for a problem solved. Cheers man.
Let us know how that works out
Damn I'm having this prob like crazy. Luckily it's not heavy lures and the line doesnt break. Wish there was somebody locally to do this. I dont wanna take apart my reel. I will surely screw something up.!!
Just follow the steps, it is actually pretty easy IMO.
That was kool U did this
Gotta learn to adapt....plus I got tired of losing lures
Nice one mate
Thanks buddy
Good tip and easy mod 👍
Yep....not to bad at all
By doing this does it make the reel not sealed anymore. Does it affect anything other than the bail closing?
This does not effect the sealing at all the hole the screw goes in is not all the way through anything....so no worries. Only the bail closing when you turn the handle will be affected...you will have to flip the bail closed yourself....which we should be doing on spinning reels anyway IMO to avoid knots.
Does this actually fix the bail closing on cast or is it because of the momentum when casting
The momentum of heavy baits causes the bail auto close to function sometimes when it should not. This will fix the problem
Do u know if the the Penn 3500 in the new iv series has the same design flaw
Not sure, sorry
Hello everyone, what’s the craic 🍀 Iv a problem with my PS 3 3,500, it’s clicking “I can hear and feel” at both the top and bottom of rotation!
Has anyone else had this problem, this reel has not done much work to be fair!
Any advice would be really appreciated, thanks 🙏
The only time I have seen this on a reel of mine is if the bail was not fully closing. Like a slight tick in the reel at the same points. Sure it may be other things as well possibly though.
Just purchased a penn battle 3 8000 series and lost 5 crab snares while casting because bail ends up closing on me. Couldn't figure out the issue, but now I'm thinking this might be the problem. When casting out my crab snares with bait, total weight is probably over 12oz while using an 11' rod.
Do you know if removing the auto bail trip on the battle 3 is simple and similar like on the slammer? I've only used it twice and almost sold it thinking it was garbage due to the bail closing on me and line snapping. Thanks in advanced
Not sure it is exactly the same, but it would be easy to open up and find out...should be locate din the same area I would think. I had to look up what a crab snare was too...lol. Those are pretty cool contraptions
@@1Cast1Fish thx for the quick response! I was ultimately able to remove the housing slope on my own. Let's hope it still works just like it did out the box minus my bail closing on me. Your video might have just saved me from having to sell this new reel! Thanks so much!
No problem, I hope it works for you
Im considering a slammer 3 3500. Is there a bailess kit for them?
No there is not, sorry
does it also happen to 8500 sizes? I'm planning to buy one.
Nope...they do not have the auto bail closing feature
I have had my 3500 slammer 3 for 2 years and hundreds of casts of all lure weights and not once has it ever closed prematurely.. interested in how others manage to have it close on them???
This is a issue on the larger class reels, like the 5500 not so much the 3500. It happens more to some because ewe use the reels for surf casting and use heavy weights. The heavy bait and weight help cause the issue. If you cast heavy baits with the 3500 you could see the same issue.
Never had a problem myself, but I open the bail arm and leave it in he right place, so it won't trip! I see people leave the arm where they will nudge it shut. At least one person attempting this is going to f**k up their reel.
Pinion gear will become a problem over couple of seasons because it is not supported not correctly not like my shimano's. I love the reels though. They are work horses
I wondered the same thing....I saw another YT video about it, but after looking around I was hard pressed to find anyone with failures or issues from it. I think both are awesome reels myself, I have the Penn's for the salt, and Shimano's for fresh. None of these reels have let me down.
great video i left a like for you
Thanks a ton man
I lost 2 bomber lures and 1 sp minnow because of the penn pursuit 3 has this problem! It doesn't happen with any of my other rods! There 30 bucks down the drain. I hate that problem so much it makes me hate fishing
I feel your pain...This mod has fixed my issue and has been flawless since.
It's probably because of the momentum of the weight of the handle. They should've added more rotor braking while the bail is open like Daiwa is known for.
Possible....but take the auto close ramp off...and issue gone
@@1Cast1Fish yeah it's a useless feature imo anyways
Happened to me twice today on the jetty. Lol
Crazy....hope you didn't lose to much $$ in gear
Lost 4 six ounce leads yesterday because of this. Thanks 🤙🏼
That's about were I had issues to in the 6oz range. Did you have any luck?
@@1Cast1Fish not really man have been killing the pompanos but between the rigs breaking off and the amount of seaweed it was tough. Also I think they were further out but on the back of my mind didn’t want to cast hard to not lose anything else 🤦🏻♂️
LOL...a guy I used to work with retired and moved to Florida and he has been sending me pics of the Pompano's down there...he says they are thick right now.
This did fix the issue, came back to find this video since I have a friend who went out with me a couple times and has this issue
Bail is closing from momentum it has nothing to do with the “auto trip”.
Correct...but remove the ramp like on the larger reels, and problem gone
Can't do anything about the handle orher than replace it. But it's a great handle. I'd rather remove the ramp and keep the handle. No one should close the bail with the handle anyways, should always do it manually
Or after opening the bail to cast. Rotate the bail so it locks against the trip....you'll never have a premature bail trip again.
@@TackleAdvisors I have been having this exact issue with the Okuma Alaris ALS-65. I don’t think I’ve seen you review those but you would adore the line lay & nice drag.
I have tried what you said about rotating the bail around before the cast, but my bail would easily spin back to its previous position from the momentum of the handle’s weight. I put up with losing plugs randomly for months until I chopped the bail...
If I ever have this issue come up in the future, would removing the ramp be my solution? I have never attempted taking the Okuma apart, but I am sure it would be similar.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of casts with the Penn Slammer III 3500 and it has never once "tripped" at the end of the cast, indeed I didn't actually know that the 3500 had an auto bail trip because I am always manually flipping it back after a cast.
You will probably never have a issue with the 3500....it seems to be a issue more for surf casters since we tend to use heavier baits and weights. The momentum from a long sweeping cast with a heavier bait is what causes the bail to close early on the cast.
@@1Cast1Fish thanks for your reply and it's a good point, I didn't think of this factor. Yes, it's highly unlikely for me to be casting any more than 2oz for my (sea) bass lure fishing here in the UK and Ireland. Understood and thanks again.
Does the 8500 have a auto bail trip aswell?
No it does not
I have slammer 3 along with gosa 6000 both r similar in size But the cranking power is not a comptition for gosa , aside from penn torque most of penn spinning reels having smaller main gear which is the cause for such low torque in their reels.
Interesting, I never have been able to compare them to anything else. I do not have any others to compare them to except other Penn's. Shimano makes a awesome product as well, and I have tons of freshwater reels from them. Probably can't go wrong with either.
Actually, the slammer has more pulling power, because it is a stronger reel (with stronger gear material, less plastic, and a handle joint pin that won't spontaneously break like I've seen a goosa [pre-2020, but less than a year old at the time] 6000's do, and fall to the deck, when not even in use!). If you're strong enough to turn the handle on the downstroke (and you shouldn't be fishing with hooks if you're not), the slammer can HANDLE more cranking power, for people who don't need electric reels for "cranking power"... and who know that grabbing the spool and falling back, using the backbone of the rod, is way more capable of moving a good sized shark, for instance, than trying to "crank" fish in with a spinner. If you're a bridge or pier fisherman, larger, easier to turn gears make you stronger in effect, when reeling in a hanging fish... but otherwise, any other sort of expert can fight stronger with a slammer. The Japanese manufacturers' design/marketing philosophy is smoothness and ease of pushing on the handle... which an expert doesn't absolutely need, from a boat or low land... whereas, sometimes an expert can absolutely use the strength of a slammer or a makaira, when getting the most out of his equipment, to move a fish. (And the worst thing you can get a kid is a reel that tends to keep him from learning how to use the rod for greatest effect.)
@@bobh1208
Cranking power mainly it’s the reel torque which is again how big is the main gear drive AND the assisted bbs , simple physics concept ,
@@maasai- Simple physics concepts indeed, but they seem to elude you. Gear ratio makes MORE difference than gear bulkiness (hence the derisive term "granny gear" for any two speed conventionals whose low gear ratio is comically low)... and, gear ratio is always a trade off, speed vs ease... just like it is on a ten-speed bike... and the Slammer 4500 has a 6.2:1 gear ratio, and the Goosa 6000 (which feel bulky yet plastic-y to me, btw) happens to have a 5.7:1 ratio... so, it is more apples and oranges than you try to make it seem (and they're not EVEN the same size, in reality). But, if you (which is where CRANKING power comes from) honestly do not have enough power to reel on the downstroke of a pump, with a Slammer... I honestly pity you. And, if you do, the tougher of two spinning reels has more PULLING power, as an outfit... on a capable rod... if expertly taken advantage of, as a unit.
Can this also work on the penn spinfisher v?
Not sure, you can check the schimatic for the reel and look for a trip ramp in the same place
Will do🤓
I just bought two 3500 and two 4500....DID I WASTE MY MONEY.....IS IT OVER KILL FOR BASS FISHING
4500 is a big reel IMO for bass fishing but can be used, the 3500 is actually a great choice and I am waiting to find them on sale again so I can pick one up. Since they are sealed, I want to use the 3500 for bass fishing from my kayak.
1Cast 1Fish I might just trade the two 4500 in for two more 3500
The 4500 would be great for big catfish if you fish for cats at all. Also light saltwater.
Bail closing is operator error. I own 4500 and 5500 and never had it happen
Glad it has never happened to you, sucks to loose lures
Those are some winches!!
Oh yeah they are insane with tons of drag force....they are definitely beefy
Why I went with the 6500 over the 5500
Now the 5500 can be just like the 6500 :) They really are great reels, extremely tough and strong
I thought Penn fixed this issue on the Slammers by adding a bearing in the bail arm?
Totally different issue with the bail arm bearing...but that "issue" was definitely made better with the addition of the bearing
Have they fixed this issue yet?
I don't think it is really something that needs a "fix" per say...just something that we as users should know about if we use the smaller sized reals for heavy casting.
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Awesome, I love catching some cats at night during the summer.
1Cast 1Fish I ALWAYS SAY ...HERE KITTY,KITTY,KITTY.....and start catching catfish....
I always seem to get a bite when I start to eat something
I just literally ordered...7 St CROIX Rods,And about $3000 in Various Tackle....WHOPPER PLOPPERS...I BOUGHT ONE OF EVERY COLOR....GOOGAN BAITS SAUCY SWIMMERS....3PACKS OF EVERY COLOR AND ABOUT A 100 , 1/4 oz ball heads and Spinners from H&H and Keitech Swim Jigs , And YUM DINGERS AND BANDITO BUGS AND , AND , AND , AND......YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY
Dang your ready to roll 👍
This guy's name is real original
I know right?
Why not just manually close it each time you cast?
IMO you should always manually close the bail after a cast to reduce line twist...however the issue is that when you cast the bail slams shut on you mid cast...causing the issues
@@1Cast1Fish ah ok. My slammer only closes the bail when I turn the handle. But yeah I manually close it anyway usually
Mines never closed on me.
Thats a good thing...gets expensive when it does
I wish I known this before I sold it away
Guess you had the same issue
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Thanks
Boggles my mind how many people have problems with any bail on a spinning real. Get a bail less and rid oneself of the incompetence or ignorance about a fishing reel. Or be familiar with how they work. Been fishing with spinning reels my whole life and have never had one randomly close and snap my lines.
Usually can happen with very heavy weights and lots of momentum like surf casting...that is why large surf reels normally do not have a auto bail close feature.
@@1Cast1Fish Yeah I could see that. But then why not get a non level wind conventional, put some braid on it because it doesn't need a level wind and lays down on itself, and cast a mile and a half?
I think some are scared of those reel types due to backlash.
@@1Cast1Fish True. I guess that is a big deterrent to some. Can't be afraid though. Get on it! Get fish! lol
@@briarfox637 agree, I love my baitcasters
I have those reels man,this helps me a lot!!! I also just uploaded a snook fishing video!!! I hope you can come by and leave a comment on it!!! Thanks
I need to get after some big snook with these reels, I have a few now and love them
Auto bail is good if u fish bait
For lighter baits and rigs...no issues
The issue is the momentum on the handle, not the rotor that trips it. The handle rotates because of momentum of the cast causing the rotor to turn and trip the bail. By removing the ramp the handle can rotate 360 degrees and the bail won’t trip automatically. I have had dozens of reels where this wasn’t an issue, but I’ve also had a few where it was an expensive issue. If you’re really careful positioning the bail each cast it can be avoided. However, if your tired, lulled into a stuper after a few hundred casts or all excited by that blitz in front of you, you may not rotate the bail into the correct position, you’re going to launch one and snap it off. As the reel gets older and wears and in some new reels the lock on the bail can be too light letting the rotor easily turn from the momentum on the handle, and bing, there goes that lure.If you’ve never had this happen to you, consider yourself very skilled or very lucky. Unfortunately I’ve witnessed this dozens of time, even throwing away a number of my own lures. It’s very common. All my saltwater reels are now manual trip.
Manual trip is the way to go for sure...gets rid of alot of issues....sucks to cast and watch those expensive lures keep on going.
Couldn't disagree more. Never had a bail close on me in 45 years of hard fishing. Bail trips don't cause this. Fingers or hands do.
Thanks for the comment and your insight....many people have had this issue though and this is a easy fix....plus I believe that we should manually close the bail on any spinning reels.
1Cast 1Fish Correct! Manually running the bail also cuts down on line twist considerably.
Definitely
PENN????
Battles 3 the same shit
Dang...I have 2 Battles as well, but they are the larger 8500 so no issue. Hope this helps fix your issue as well
Like 18# from Israel my friend 🇮🇱🇮🇱
Glad to see you thank you....How has your fishing been?
@@1Cast1Fish
You're welcome.
I'm doing great 🤟🤟
So the moral of the story is, don't buy a Penn Slammer 3
I would definitely not say that....they are awesome reels and have held up well....like everything else, sometimes you have to do some tweaking to personalize what you need/want