This was written two years after Beethoven had already completed his 32 sonatas and diabelli variations, and this can't compare to any of them, so this sonata was destined to be lost in time. Beethoven was really such a towering figure. This piece however is an interesting example of very early Romantic piano literature.
There was a school separate from Beethoven that directly influenced Schumann, Liszt, Chopin and Mendelssohn. It was led by composers Jan Dussek, Johann Nepomuk Hummel, Ferdinand Ries and John Field, and Czerny's compositions are overall closer to that early Romantic approach than to Ludwig Van.
You leave comment about piece of music which was destined to be lost in time? Very interesting. However, no one says you have to compare it , so don't do it choosing the easy way of evaluating things, especially when it's about the world heritage , the great musical culture etc., I think we should try to find and see the uniqueness and individuality of each thing we have, even despite the fact that Czerny is full of Beethoven as one of his greatest disciples.
You really can't compare this sonata by Czerny with Beethoven. They are two completely different eras and styles of music. I like them both. I love Beethoven, and if it weren't for CZcams I would only know of Czerny for his technical studies/etudes. This Czerny sonata is an enlightenment for me.
Though this Sonata is after almost all of Beethoven symphonies and after all of his sonatas, this is a non-genious, but a very solid decent piece, and the fact that it survived and in 2024 we can listen to it is really great! No great composer could do anything without less known ones that created mediocrity, like that famous quote of Newton 'bout giants. I really enjoyed the listening the whole piece, it has brought to me the meaning of being someone you should be. as our composer Aladov said, "my cup is small, but i'm drinking from a cup of mine". Thank you, Mr. Czerny, i'm happy i can listen to your music today!
Despite lots of typos and difficult to understand wording, I think I got the gist of what you were saying, and I guess I agree completely with you : It's a great piece of music.
This piece was obviously inspired by the Appassionata. Beethoven taught Czerny, and Czerny wrote several sonatas the year Beethoven died, this being one of them. @@mottobel8502
There is no real reason other than that it was a stylistic choice made my some editors in the early 19th century. Perhaps it was useful for freeing up space for dynamic markings, etc.
I've played through a few of the sonatas over the years -- I had the honor of meeting Martin Jones and playing for him in masterclass. I bought his recording of the Czerny sonatas first hand and he challenged me to play them one day. An inspiration I've never forgotten -- I think the barlines remain unconnected for the ease of reading. Czerny uses lots of short hand notations or placements of notes throughout the sonatas as though he was experimenting with his own notation styles. All of his sonata scores are horizontal rather than vertical, which also makes his long phrases much easier to see and comprehend. In my opinion, there are a lot of notes on every page of any czerny work, so the abandonment of one more line to avoid clutter or confusion either by composer or editor is welcome haha
Mr Jones is good, maybe even very good, but this music DESERVES several different interpretations. The key and opus number of this Sonata Magna is a connection to one of the Beethoven's sonatas 😜
I find the Jones Czerny set to be very praiseworthy for getting these pieces some exposure with a solid technique, but they are such damned "polite" interpretations (and with too steady a beat for my taste). I think there is far more danger, heroism, fire and passion to be found in them.
If you are interested in other recordings of this piece there are those by Daniel Blumenthal: czcams.com/video/1FGkQ4YHdZ4/video.htmlsi=IaRWe2qH1_t-ru2y and Anton Kuerti: czcams.com/video/CEF0z0gxL5g/video.htmlsi=U0a2oJZNNeNSUDPV . Thanks for your comment!
@@aechtrob4775 They feel almost phoned in interpretation wise. Perhaps that is Jones as a musician, but I've noticed this is a pattern with obscure pieces.
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Such a beautiful and delightful second movement
Dramàtica, ingeniosa, sorprendente.
Love a good Czerny upload
It announces Brahms already in 1824! Very impressive.
This was written two years after Beethoven had already completed his 32 sonatas and diabelli variations, and this can't compare to any of them, so this sonata was destined to be lost in time. Beethoven was really such a towering figure. This piece however is an interesting example of very early Romantic piano literature.
There was a school separate from Beethoven that directly influenced Schumann, Liszt, Chopin and Mendelssohn. It was led by composers Jan Dussek, Johann Nepomuk Hummel, Ferdinand Ries and John Field, and Czerny's compositions are overall closer to that early Romantic approach than to Ludwig Van.
@@erika6651 True, good point!
You leave comment about piece of music which was destined to be lost in time? Very interesting. However, no one says you have to compare it , so don't do it choosing the easy way of evaluating things, especially when it's about the world heritage , the great musical culture etc., I think we should try to find and see the uniqueness and individuality of each thing we have, even despite the fact that Czerny is full of Beethoven as one of his greatest disciples.
This sonata is too underrated: Czerny was a great master too.
You really can't compare this sonata by Czerny with Beethoven. They are two completely different eras and styles of music. I like them both. I love Beethoven, and if it weren't for CZcams I would only know of Czerny for his technical studies/etudes. This Czerny sonata is an enlightenment for me.
Another great example that Czerny composed not only great studies and Beethoven HAD distinguished and great contemporaries.
Though this Sonata is after almost all of Beethoven symphonies and after all of his sonatas, this is a non-genious, but a very solid decent piece, and the fact that it survived and in 2024 we can listen to it is really great! No great composer could do anything without less known ones that created mediocrity, like that famous quote of Newton 'bout giants. I really enjoyed the listening the whole piece, it has brought to me the meaning of being someone you should be. as our composer Aladov said, "my cup is small, but i'm drinking from a cup of mine". Thank you, Mr. Czerny, i'm happy i can listen to your music today!
Despite lots of typos and difficult to understand wording, I think I got the gist of what you were saying, and I guess I agree completely with you : It's a great piece of music.
@@glennbourque111 excuse me, i was tired and emotional
Wonder if it was pure coincidence that both Czerny and Beethoven's respective Op 57s were piano sonatas in F Minor.
the scherzo sounds a lot like the Appassionata's last movement!! I think there is a reason!
the syncopated second theme, left hand runs. It feels like Beethoven's movement in 3/4
This piece was obviously inspired by the Appassionata. Beethoven taught Czerny, and Czerny wrote several sonatas the year Beethoven died, this being one of them. @@mottobel8502
Wunderbar pianistisch vollendet und werktreu gespielt. Als Werk im Aufwand über Inspiration stehend, zu gesund um bedeutend zu sein…
second movement reminds me of the second movement of Prokofievs 5th sonata
Why are the barlines not connected between the left hand and the right hand?
There is no real reason other than that it was a stylistic choice made my some editors in the early 19th century. Perhaps it was useful for freeing up space for dynamic markings, etc.
@@fruisen9436interesting
Most of us are very used to seeing them connected for piano scores; it’s weird seeing them like this
I've played through a few of the sonatas over the years -- I had the honor of meeting Martin Jones and playing for him in masterclass. I bought his recording of the Czerny sonatas first hand and he challenged me to play them one day. An inspiration I've never forgotten -- I think the barlines remain unconnected for the ease of reading. Czerny uses lots of short hand notations or placements of notes throughout the sonatas as though he was experimenting with his own notation styles. All of his sonata scores are horizontal rather than vertical, which also makes his long phrases much easier to see and comprehend. In my opinion, there are a lot of notes on every page of any czerny work, so the abandonment of one more line to avoid clutter or confusion either by composer or editor is welcome haha
Mr Jones is good, maybe even very good, but this music DESERVES several different interpretations.
The key and opus number of this Sonata Magna is a connection to one of the Beethoven's sonatas 😜
+similar rhythm to appasionata!
+2nd movement in d flat major, 3rd movement has almost the same melody in the bass
I find the Jones Czerny set to be very praiseworthy for getting these pieces some exposure with a solid technique, but they are such damned "polite" interpretations (and with too steady a beat for my taste). I think there is far more danger, heroism, fire and passion to be found in them.
If you are interested in other recordings of this piece there are those by Daniel Blumenthal: czcams.com/video/1FGkQ4YHdZ4/video.htmlsi=IaRWe2qH1_t-ru2y and Anton Kuerti: czcams.com/video/CEF0z0gxL5g/video.htmlsi=U0a2oJZNNeNSUDPV . Thanks for your comment!
@@aechtrob4775 They feel almost phoned in interpretation wise. Perhaps that is Jones as a musician, but I've noticed this is a pattern with obscure pieces.