199 - Running, overcoming challenges, and finding success | Ryan Hall
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
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Ryan Hall is the fastest American ever to run the marathon (2:04:58) and half marathon (59:43) and is the author of the book Run the Mile You’re In. In this episode, Ryan discusses his amazing successes and epic failures during his remarkable running career and what he's learned through these experiences. Ryan explains not only the physical aspects of running - including his training routine, fueling regimen, and recovery process - but he also emphasizes the mental aspect of the sport. He discusses how accepting and reframing negative thoughts can empower you to take on challenges and reach your potential. Additionally, Ryan discusses the traits that make the best competitors, the keys to overcoming setbacks, and his amazing feat of 7 marathons in 7 days as a goodbye to the sport that gave him so much.
We discuss:
0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:10 - How Ryan got into running and his formative years of training
0:05:40 - The advantages of altitude-living high and training low
0:10:00 - Progressive overload, blood flow restriction, and switching up your workout routine
0:12:42 - Lessons learned from competing in the Beijing Olympics
0:18:40 - Importance of speed, power, and strength for runners
0:32:12 - The crazy idea that got Ryan hooked on running
0:34:58 - The mental aspect of training and the power of reframing negative thoughts
0:49:45 - The importance of fueling, and Ryan’s marathon diet
0:57:17 - Boosting performance with Tylenol and keeping core temperature down
1:08:50 - Ryan’s early struggles and later success at Stanford
1:15:05 - Keys to overcoming difficulty: faith, mindset, and being a better teammate
1:21:32 - Ryan’s professional running career and his discovery of his gift for marathon distances
1:32:26 - Reflections after breaking the American half marathon record, and challenges faced by retired athletes
1:39:45 - Ryan’s marathon training regimen at the Mammoth Track Club in 2010
1:49:08 - Optimal body weight for competition and the pros and cons of going below your natural weight
1:54:45 - Training volume, importance of mixing up the intensity level, and zone 2 and zone 5 for longevity
1:59:12 - The most impactful adjustments Ryan made to his training leading up the to 2011 Boston Marathon
2:04:39 - A new personal record at the 2011 Boston Marathon and lessons on maximizing your own potential
2:13:55 - Learning from failure and takeaways from his disappointing performance at the 2012 Olympics
2:26:41 - Utilizing cardio and strength training for overall health, and how Ryan uses blood flow restriction in his workouts
2:31:32 - Performance enhancing drugs (or lack thereof) in marathon runners
2:34:54 - Traits of the greatest marathon runners
2:41:25 - 7 marathons in 7 days on 7 continents-saying goodbye to the sport
2:52:30 - Reflections on what running has given Ryan
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"Just handle what is in front of you" So profound, so perfect.
Ryan Hall is an American treasure.
Agreed 👍🏼
Gay
I competed in the Olympic games in track and field the sprints, and I have also coached athletes to make Olympic teams and others to set world records from adults to kids setting national records and breaking school records. The best thing in my opinion you can do with your child as I have seen this phenomena over the last 30 years is to allow them to mostly do short sprints early in life and then distance or aerobic capacity later, these are the most successful all around athletes. Olympian Wyndell Dickinson.
Fascinating! Thank you both for the conversation.
"“I had a resting heart rate of 27 at my fittest”
What an absolute beast 👏
Crazy low, eh?
Wow
Imdad Codes, Liar💯🙋🙏
That low is actually considered dangerous, even for a trained distance runner it increases your risk of stroke, etc
And I wouldnt say 195 maxHR is particularly low =D
Ryan is a very nice guy, i like his personality. Thank you for this enjoyable 3h conversation!
this has been a great interview so far, loving all the vids
Awesome interview. Thank you both.
Great conversation. Informative and Inspiring .
Thanks Peter.
Really appreciate your fandom and specialist knowledge with top athletes Peter. Thanks and keep it up.
Best interview of yours I've seen!
This was an awesome episode, possibly the best I have heard on The Drive. Thanks for the great content.
I agree 👍🏼
Good stuff. Enjoyed this a lot and also learnes a thing or two
Incredibly fastenating interview! Thank you for sharing!
Great episode! Any resources on proper running form for people getting into marathons?
Thanks.. Great video as usual.. Ton of information..
Awesome podcast!
I'm 5 mins in and very excited for this!!
Outstanding podcast
Nice Huberman mention. One day these titans will duel.
my son is 12 and just ran 10km in 42 :00 ! Ryan is such an inspiration ! fantastic interview
Well done to him. That’s fast.
What
Holy moly! That is one fast 12 year old!
@@creativemedicalservicesinc4022 He's obviously a liar!😂💯🙋🙏
Ryan is such a beast!
Peter, with a straight face: have you ever tried Viagra to run faster?
Ryan: no
*moves on*
Peter, seconds later: I once swam with a rectal probe
Ryan: …
We love you Peter!
🤣💯🙋🙏
Jason Cazes, The last part Peter deleted where Ryan, again moved on, & Peter asked if Ryan ever had a sexual experience w/ another man!🤣💯🙋🙏
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Love to hear such 'detail oriented' health/fitness/science geeks share info n personal stories! Quick question concerning your 'heat dumping' segment. From a biohacking perspective....can consistent sauna regiments be the equivalent to 'live high and train low' for enhancing the natural temperature regulation systems? I find after several weeks of experiencing sauna temps ~ 225 - 250-ish Fahrenheit.....my physiology converts me over to become a 'super sweater'. (I literally transform into my grandfather.....a little old sweaty man 😂) I feel this likely aided me as a moderate intensity seeking CrossFitter who dabbled with ultra long rowing. Thoughts? And thanks to the both of you....for your transparency, sincerity and leadership! Question....do....teach.
Fabulous interview. I have been fortunate to meet Ryan and he is a great guy. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼
Great workout! ❤ Rose in Kansas!
Would be curious to know his thoughts on once you develop the aerobic system? does that last forever? or maintained with minimal effort, etc..?
Also, so can any sprinter become a great marathoner if all it takes is a 49sec 400m?
Peter to his 13 year old daughter: "you have a really narrow window in which your cardiovascular system is malleable."
daughter: "Whatever, dad"
Ryan is a very likeable guy
True
Did/does Ryan have a favorite running shoe? Looking for something different to try.
Grazie Grazie ❤
Phew, sweaty! Some new ones in there, thanks 👍❤
i noticed myself when i was out training in the Arctic waters.. I had just drank a red bull through my eyeball to give me that quick start that i usually lacked when competing against eels and dolphins. Anyway.. to make a long story short, i found the optimal resistance for progressive overload was half a viagra, a clothes peg attached to the left nipple to offset the accumulated instability ratio, 40lbs of seaweed wrapped around each leg, and a moderately strong tiger shark pulling on my Billabong trunks. Now you don't want the shark to be TOO strong. that's key. in fact if you look at a study done on mermaids done back in the 90's.. if you can't hold your breath under water for at least 2hours.. you might as well not get up in the morning. and those mermaids don't even oil their tails. before or after the migratory swim
This is the coolest guest Dr. Attia has ever had on the podcast
I didn't know it was possible to be in Cali and still be 2 hours away from the beach, I'm 32 and the furthest I have ever been away from the ocean is an hour
My very first time here, new to both of these fellows. Dr. Attia seems to take too much of the airspace. He seems determined to be 1st, on top, and a bit of aknowitall....no matter, appreciate the show and information. Thank you 💓 😊
I wonder if Ryan can identify the best type of running coach....Daniels, Lydiard, etc
"This wasn't supposed to be a difficult swim, it was just 12 miles, about 6 hours." Right. Easy peasy.
I've never seen and interviewer talk so much about himself.
It's a conversation not an interview
As an endurance athlete I can say that Tylenol is performance enhancing
There is no such thing as garbage training. All exercise is beneficial.
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My fav EP quote to date "I didn't know we were racing for the stage" . Dude always has an excuse ready.
Fuck yeah ryan
35 now and faster, than I was while in my 20's. Been able to , bring my mile time from 5:59 to 5:44 and I am sure i can bring my time down even more...again its just a mile. whole different ball game doing that for 13-26 miles. a lot of people, including myself wonder how to run fast . I remember a quote from, an elite Kenyan coach ..he just told his guys to " be stupid and just run fast" I always tried to apply that ..just turn off that voice saying slow down, and just break into a new threshold . Once, you start running and breaking into new speeds ..it makes the other runs so much easier, and the confidence of having other gears is great.
Age 19, 2:53,
Age 53, 3:02 Why do I feel like a failure?
for marathon or ?? still good times
Running a mile fast is very different to fast endurance. I have ran a 5:29 mile in my late 50s and ran a 3:06 marathon a few months ago. Different muscles, energy sources involved 👍🏼
I wonder about peds . They were around in those days.
They all were juiced
African runners are heroic during the run not after the run. They really admire the effort vs the performance (time).
Peter Attia you're too young to remember or understand the beginning of the running craze in the public. I started running on Mission Bay San Diego 1977 when THE marathon in San Diego was The Mission Bay Marathon. I ran the Bay to Breakers among many 5 and 10 Ks and half marathons in San Diego.
You are an Elite athlete swimmer, open ocean distance swimmer,and Sublet in boxing cycling, an expert in Fitness Fitness physiology.
So now you're doing interview with Ryan Hall like America and the runners back into the late 60s in America have just discovered recreational distance running.
Anyone ever tell you, you sound just like the guy from softwhiteunderbelly?
As a strong proponent of curing aging like the diesease it is. No, no it's not ok that it's fleeting. Thats a very very bad thing and a tradgedy of nature. We should be in the best physical shape of our lives and the best mental shape when we are 80, or 800.
The fact that someone reaches the peak of their knowledge and wisdom and experience, then retires and shortly afterwards loses most of it then dies is not a good thing.
Being fleeting doesn't make life beautiful, being beautiful makes life beautiful. No one says a person is beautiful because they'll look like the visage of death twenty years from now, they just look good. No one says a painting is beautiful because it will rot to nothing soon.
Every second on average more than 2 people die. During the time you spent watching this video, 21,474 people died. Is that a good thing? Did that make your life more beautiful? Does that make it easier to appreciate a good day? I certainly don't think so. We can if we put in the effort undo aging, stop it in it's tracks, people would still die from disease, accidents, and violence, but not age. And every known cause of death is exponentially more likely as you age. But even more than that every aspect of quality of life gets worse as you age, athletically, freedom and independence, looks, mental acuity, memory, the abilty to be with your family.
Watch the fable of the dragon tyrant. Great video. Death is not good, death is not your friend, death is not a good thing because it is natural, there are creatures in nature that don't age, it doesn't make life beautiful we just tell ourselves that because if it isn't needed then it just feels bad, which it should.
Great video, huge fan of Ryan. But wouldn’t recommend half squats. Need full range of motion.
“If you can run like a sprinter, you’ll be a good distance runner”- Alberto Salazar
Chris Park, which means what?
@@mikevaldez7684 if you listened to the entire podcast, Ryan Hall said you need atleast 50sec or faster 400m speed to even consider being an elite runner. Salazar was famous for having a speed emphasis on his program.
Let me ask you a question but let me answer it first
Live fast die young, its a trade off.
Who's living fast and dying young?
I know the interviewer wants to control the talk but, go, he interrupts too much! The way to control this without interrupting is to talk to the guest beforehand and explain the structure.
Who's gonna pop-up some Tylenol on their next tempo run? LOL
So if I didn't do a lot of cardio young, I can't have good cardio ever? Wow... I wasn't aware of that, how demotivating...
Where did he say that
Did you spend your childhood playing computer games ?
Many elite runners like Meb who is not a forefoot striker uses his huge aerobic engine….is technically sub optimizing his running potential by landing the feet sub optimally….imo…best runner of all time imho on all distances is Kenenisa Bekele…muscular legs which is hardly seen by long distance runners…huge quads…here is his intervals training times 8x (400 in 52-54, rest, 200 in 24-25) w/ 90sec-2min rest b/w. The guy has 11 world cross country titles held the world records for roughly 15 years for both the 5&10K in no carbon insole track shoes(!!!) held the world record of the Marathon in Berlin only to be broken by a few seconds….this guy has the biomechanics we all want maximum force load bounding like a deer….he is the gold standard not the skin&bone guys who mostly uses their huge aerobic engines but with a suboptimal foot strike. Just saying. Bekele is the real deal on any distance! Poetry in motion.
SQUASH DUOS, You know nothing; bekele was on steroids Dodo
@@mikevaldez7684 haha good one!
Imagine if he had the alphaflys or vaporflys in 2011!!!! What would his Boston have been?
I often hear this especially with sub 2:10 guys from the 80s
@@PoetWithPace what do you know Dodo ....😂💯🙋🙏
Been 2 or 3 mins faster
Unless your sprinting heel strikes are normal. It’s actually impossible to toe strike when going slower it is totally unnatural
Take your high healed shoes off and it becomes natural
@@msmyankees I have a pair of zero drop Altras that enjoy walking and hiking in but I absolutely HATE running in them. Feels like running in quick sand
Agreed
Why is this video always on autoplay? Every time I let a video finish playing, this one starts. It used to happen with Huberman and now this guy..
Was this a Skype podcast edited to look like in person? The lighting seems odd
Yes,
support your kid in doing whatever crazy thing they want to do.
About tylenol, bad stuff, potentially dangerous.
The lack of rigorous blood work is baffling, but it has the advantage of preventing athletes from training too much to metrics instead of performance.
SomeAssembyRequired, You just contradicted yourself Dodo....😂💯🙋🙏
One disappointment: Ryan is definitely on steroids now & he doesn't even want to discuss their use in distance running...Lasse Viren used them in the 70s & he competed in the marathon, too.💯🙋🙏
Gnarly
I ran 52 second for the 400m in high school, 49 will win you the league lol.
Ryan’s a nice guy but the lack of transparency about using testosterone after competition and claiming he has level of 1000 natural rolls off the tongue way too easy. I’m not saying he was doping but it doesn’t make you look better when you lie to people in retirement, like a habit thats hard to break.
Wasatchwatts, Yes, obviously he's a liar; he's on steroids now, & was enhanced then, too.😂💯🙋🙏
Dental veneers Ryan ?
Was Bro reading a script?
If you don’t DOPE you won’t Cope…
I can't help but wonder how much better Ryan could have become had he been less impulsive, more mature, coached, counseled, patient and more measured. He can definitely hammer, I will give him that. But God is my coach? Really?
It's all about context!
There’s a great book called “good to go, how to eat, sleep and rest like a champion that has a chapter about Ryan and talks about how much better he could of been if he spent more time recovering and resting.
Thanks for the recommendation. I met Ryan at a private gathering. He's the same personality you see in public, along with Sarah.
I know Dick Beardsley, and have a lot in common.
If a horse is bred to run, let it run, because it understands (beyond our comprehension) what it was put on this earth to do.
Heart rate of 27!?!? Bruh 😂😂
To Ryan's strong religious to psychological relationship confirms what I heard on another podcast:
"God is a hack, to keep us in line." -Eric Weinstein
They all have turtle stomachs and traps. Totally normal and not a coincidence and indicative of steroids 😂😂😂
Why do you keep coming up? It's bizarre
👑👑👑As soon as I thought the Algorithm would not show me any more of the King of the Humble Brag - It drags me back in & forces me to post another review❗❗❗
It's not surprising no one has ever asked what I mean that PA is a Humble Braggart. Or his content has so few views and the content is so unimportant that no one even bothers to read or actually comments.
Did Peter hurt your feelings?
@@nathancarter450 sure
I’m sad for you
@@SeanJordanMusic ya- he urt me feelin' real bad like...
Try a new drinking game. Take a shot every time Ryan gets interrupted. Take a double shot every time Peter talks about himself.
Ahhhhh, this explains a lot. I guess me being so active in my teens and 20's made it easy to get in marathon shape in 6 months in my 40's. Kinda figured as much but wasn't sure the mechanism behind it.
Performance desperate freaks talking drugs and even toxic effects yet only seeing gains that are not even their own :))) What kind of a cheater mentality is that :) Nice view into what athletes are really like, trying anything not yet regulated and even then and seeing the body as a God-given for them to mess with :)))
Maybe we could hear more from the guest rather than you trying to impress us with your “knowledge”
Maybe Dr Peter Attia knows things that Ryan Hall doesn’t…
@@marksummers6903 then don’t have in a guest and just do your own episode
@@marksummers6903At the very end Ryan says " I loved it Peter. Awesome chatting with you man." That said it all.
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Rude