Internal Medicine Gets Exploited

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  • čas přidán 23. 07. 2023
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  • @rubiconsrundry7765
    @rubiconsrundry7765 Před rokem +4386

    sure am glad that we as a society decided that if people want to become a doctor and help people, its its entirely okay to just abuse them endlessly for no reason

    • @ChartreuseDan
      @ChartreuseDan Před rokem +310

      It's not for no reason: it's for having the audacity to become highly trained and useful specialists instead of becoming hedge fund managers

    • @msplendor
      @msplendor Před rokem

      And by society I'm guessing you mean Big Business. I doubt they were treated this way during home visit days. Corpohealth abuses doctors and patients like Corpoagriculture abuses farmers and animals and Corpofood abuses workers and consumers.

    • @Ikajo
      @Ikajo Před rokem +48

      In the USA... not elsewhere

    • @t-spark
      @t-spark Před rokem +50

      @@ChartreuseDan ​ Ha! Imagine telling the world that you're motivated by something other than seeing your net worth go up.

    • @infin1ty850
      @infin1ty850 Před rokem +88

      ​@@IkajoI love dunking on our healthcare system here in the US, but this is absolutely not just a US issue.

  • @jenleigh4212
    @jenleigh4212 Před rokem +3034

    The more the healthcare system is explained, the worse and worse it looks.

    • @asmerX100
      @asmerX100 Před rokem +71

      lmao true, the larger the dr glauc's universe expanded...the more it reveals the dark side of medicine

    • @HyperLuigi37
      @HyperLuigi37 Před rokem +46

      the worse we realize it actually is*

    • @Rockribbedman
      @Rockribbedman Před rokem +49

      Don't forget that the doctors involved in the organization Don't have to take the exam. And they go on paid trips to conferences all the time.

    • @ar2851
      @ar2851 Před rokem +6

      That's how radiology works too

    • @1014p
      @1014p Před rokem

      Its a money extortion scheme on practitioners and patients.

  • @khco7913
    @khco7913 Před rokem +1329

    I like how the ABIM guy starts to just threaten Internal Medicine with his increasing evil tone when he realizes that the system's math ain't mathin' 😂

    • @Oswin2642
      @Oswin2642 Před rokem +6

      ABIM internal thoughts:
      "Oh, shit! He's right! Um, what do we do?"
      "Put on a calm face. Remember, confidence is key. Stall, and you can figure this out."
      "Hey, he's getting aggressive! What do we do here!?"
      "You get aggressive back, obviously! How dare he challenge us!"
      "Great, he's back to being confused and disoriented. What now?"
      "Keep it up! Double down!"
      "I don't know... that never works for us at the poker table. Remember when we had to sleep in that hotel using his money last month when our wife kicked us out?"
      "Don't think about our gambling issues right now, and just do what I tell you to do!"
      "Okay...
      Okay, he's looking really uncomfortable. I think we should just come clean and admit it doesn't make any sense!"
      "No... light 'em up."
      "What?"
      "The box of certificates is right under our desk. If he received his bill the other day then his certificate should be close to the top. Grab it."
      "Okay... got it. Why does we need it though?"
      "Do you remember what Grace said to us last year when we lost $12,000 over the weekend?"
      "Other than all of the comments about our masculinity and intelligence? She threatened to burn the house down. Again, I have to ask why you're bringing this up."
      "Burn it all down."

    • @LyonPercival
      @LyonPercival Před 9 měsíci +1

      "Threaten"? Technically it's extortion.

    • @TFT-bp8zk
      @TFT-bp8zk Před 8 měsíci

      It's mathin' just fine for him.

  • @steingrenadier5511
    @steingrenadier5511 Před rokem +1200

    I like how often "Research purposes" is used as an excuse every time someone asks "why" in the US health care system.

    • @sethreign8103
      @sethreign8103 Před rokem +13

      Or mostly any other organization that "accepts" your "fees/payments" they force on you 😅

    • @thewhitewolf58
      @thewhitewolf58 Před rokem +33

      Researching the best luxury cars to buy.

    • @Iflie
      @Iflie Před rokem

      `Yeah remember how many countries made a Covid vaccine, sounds like the U.S isn't the only place doing research and medication development but it's the only one where they charge that much for medications, including very old ones.

    • @Ciborium
      @Ciborium Před rokem +6

      ABIM does "research" into the next Lambo they gonna buy.

    • @voodoobunny13
      @voodoobunny13 Před rokem +28

      And every medical researcher actually conducting medical research will assure you that they sure as fuck aren't getting any of that money.

  • @dorkydoctorsongs
    @dorkydoctorsongs Před rokem +761

    Medical colleges and exorbitant fees go together like an ophthalmologist and their loyal scribe 😢

    • @EastonJackson-GMC
      @EastonJackson-GMC Před rokem +22

      Except that ophthalmologists and their loyal scribes contribute something of positive value to society.

    • @dorkydoctorsongs
      @dorkydoctorsongs Před rokem +4

      @@EastonJackson-GMC no arguments there!!

    • @EvilPaladin11
      @EvilPaladin11 Před rokem +6

      Evil Jonathan: *excited nod*

    • @closest2he4ven
      @closest2he4ven Před rokem +2

      I want to borrow Johnathan.

  • @juliatrejo865
    @juliatrejo865 Před rokem +556

    I was going to send this to my Aunt (a radiologist), but decided not to depress her at 9am on a Monday morning…😂

    • @floricel_112
      @floricel_112 Před rokem +20

      Do it on wednesday

    • @haggielady
      @haggielady Před rokem +20

      No, no, wait til Thursday at 4:30.

    • @juliatrejo865
      @juliatrejo865 Před rokem +17

      Friday, while she’s completing her CME’s…

    • @JH-lz4dh
      @JH-lz4dh Před rokem

      It's funny cuz it's true. 😢

    • @bamidele4383
      @bamidele4383 Před rokem +25

      ​@juliatrejo865 No, not Friday. You'll wreck her weekend. Thursday's the sweet spot. She'll be depressed until Friday afternoon, and then she'll remember that her weekend off is coming. She'll lighten up, then.

  • @SeliahK
    @SeliahK Před rokem +753

    And then they wonder why more people are NOT pursuing careers in healthcare.

    • @sirenia1241
      @sirenia1241 Před rokem +18

      yep and as the older healthcare workers begin to retire in droves, chaos will ensue. even then, nothing will change, unless a miracle happens.

    • @EakEmk
      @EakEmk Před rokem +11

      The past 3 years have had record high MCAT examinees and applicants to medical school so I'm not sure about that.

    • @ShuRugal
      @ShuRugal Před rokem +65

      @@EakEmk guess what else we have? a continuously increasing population.
      we can have more doctors, while simultaneously the % of people who choose to pursue careers as doctors is decreasing. those are not mutually exclusive conditions.

    • @literalantifaterrorist4673
      @literalantifaterrorist4673 Před rokem +40

      @@EakEmkand residency numbers are in the toilet, what’s your point?

    • @kennyc002
      @kennyc002 Před rokem +13

      @@EakEmk Oh yes, so we'll have even more people with MDs and not be doctors. Fantastic!

  • @doctechno2241
    @doctechno2241 Před rokem +1179

    As a doctor, I can confirm that this video is 100% accurate and applies to A LOT more specializations than just internal medicine. In fact, I'm actually curious to know if ANY specialties don't have extortionate ongoing "certification" fees at this point.
    Incidentally, in my branch of medicine, $500/year is way cheap. I have to pay MUCH more.

    • @anncondon2689
      @anncondon2689 Před rokem +57

      Yes!!!!! In pediatrics, we have to pay separate fees for $$MOC 2, $$$MOC 3 (which consists of taking board questions every 12 weeks for 5 years.... But if we fail that we can pay $2,000 and sit and take an old fashioned exam).. AND $$$$MOC 4!
      Don't forget MOC 1.... Which is the easy one...$$$pay for your state license every year....... That's all you have to do for MOC 1....😢

    • @jeremiahbaker6396
      @jeremiahbaker6396 Před rokem +10

      Wth

    • @fish_whiskers
      @fish_whiskers Před rokem +3

      you have to adjust for the deflation of the im docs perceived value 😭😭

    • @ondrejadamek5455
      @ondrejadamek5455 Před rokem +33

      Just - WHY? Is this some kind of american joke? Greetings from Europe

    • @nadiaterzaghi3859
      @nadiaterzaghi3859 Před rokem +21

      It’s insane. I left the US to work overseas, contacted the board to see if I could just go inactive and then reactivate if I ever decide to move back. Yep, provided I still pay a slightly (very, very slightly) reduced fee every year.

  • @1anastudent
    @1anastudent Před rokem +326

    Who in the USA can consider themselves proud of such an exploitative system? Honestly, the predators have taken over at every level

    • @cbpd89
      @cbpd89 Před rokem

      We aren't proud, we all hate it. Except the Uber wealthy, apparently, because they can afford any care or procedure they want and they're used to exploiting people so it doesn't bother them.

    • @Laecy
      @Laecy Před rokem +52

      Propaganda is a terrifying beast. My parents have been screwed by insurance over and over and over again to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars and chronic pain, yet they still parrot the party line of AT LEAST ITS NOT THE NHS.
      The particularly crazymaking thing is they spend a lot of time in Germany and have seen firsthand a better system, but …

    • @slantdwave
      @slantdwave Před rokem

      No one

    • @slantdwave
      @slantdwave Před rokem +4

      ​@@Laecywhat's funny is we have so many specialists the wait times would not be increased a whit.

    • @davidkent8769
      @davidkent8769 Před rokem +2

      It happens in the UK too

  • @SinisterMD
    @SinisterMD Před rokem +112

    As a physician I can assure you that this is incredibly accurate.

    • @MyFiddlePlayer
      @MyFiddlePlayer Před rokem +5

      I hope no one from my board views this video, they will realize that they are undercharging at only $400 per year and next year's fee will be higher.

  • @felixmichael2904
    @felixmichael2904 Před rokem +112

    In germany we have the Landesärtekammer (state medical association), you have to pay those guys yearly Based on your income and you cant practice medicine in germany without beeing a member....and they Charge you for every test you take along the way....funny that certain things are always the same no matter where you live

    • @amidola
      @amidola Před rokem

      However, you actually get a weekly paper (that goes straight into the trash), a monthly paper and a lot of training (if you’d ever take advantage of it) and absurd German bureaucracy taken care of for that money. The US takes the money „just because“.

    • @AhmedFathy-lt6wl
      @AhmedFathy-lt6wl Před rokem +1

      I'm in the process of applying to Germany as a dentist, and I thought the worst thing I have to deal with were those Ausländerbehörde guys.. turns out I have to worry about much more 😵

  • @danielthompson6207
    @danielthompson6207 Před rokem +135

    I'm not threatening you, I'm simply informing you of the gravity of your unfortunate situation.

  • @camillahannelibatalden1790
    @camillahannelibatalden1790 Před rokem +191

    I’m a licenced psychologist working in Norway. Here renewal is every five years and is covered by union fees and the hospital. What is described here sounds outrageous!

    • @LNVACVAC
      @LNVACVAC Před rokem

      Union fees are also outrageous. Same shit, different name.

    • @alelom
      @alelom Před rokem +38

      ​@@LNVACVACbullshit. Union fees are incomparably lower, accountable and well explained, plus you get all of the other benefits of being protected by an union. The kind of thing Americans will never understand

    • @LNVACVAC
      @LNVACVAC Před rokem +4

      @@alelom In latin america union fees are pretty high. Have no transparency and are used to finance political parties.

    • @andrewbloom7694
      @andrewbloom7694 Před rokem +6

      ​@@LNVACVACOk, but in western Europe they ARENT like that

    • @wallycheladyn1190
      @wallycheladyn1190 Před rokem +2

      ​@@andrewbloom7694interesting that you can speak for every union in western Europe. Unions in Europe routinely use membership fees to influence political outcomes.

  • @Michael_Azrael
    @Michael_Azrael Před rokem +121

    It's honestly amazing how many cartels a single industry can manage to fit into itself with minimal overlap when you really think about it

    • @falconerd343
      @falconerd343 Před rokem +6

      You have a point, there's so many different oligopolies abusing their power across healthcare. No wonder our system is the most expensive in the world.

    • @MattMorency
      @MattMorency Před 10 měsíci +3

      It's mafia all the way down.

    • @Vishnu-B
      @Vishnu-B Před 7 měsíci

      1. Pharma
      2. Insurance
      3. Certification
      People please feel free to add on.

  • @dianagibbs3550
    @dianagibbs3550 Před rokem +79

    I pay $1000+ per year for my license as a vet and I honestly don't know what the CVO does with it. They don't even issue cards anymore, and when they did they were paper. Not thick paper, just... Paper. Even the techs get a plastic card. Thankfully we also have the ovma. They actually help vets...

  • @victorgabr
    @victorgabr Před rokem +49

    The American Board of Radiology, you pay MOC fees, and they even send you random clinical questions every Monday morning, that you have limited time to answer, to "maintain" your certificate. Dare you answering a couple of them wrong if you are not in a mood of just had a hangover from a Sunday party? They can revoque the certification. Just being tortured while taking a day long exam after studying the entire residency is never enough. It's now weekly remainders that you can even lose your certificate, having weekly exam questions being sent to your inbox.

    • @Roxy-Mara
      @Roxy-Mara Před rokem +12

      that is ridiculous!!! wth!

    • @GoldenPantaloons
      @GoldenPantaloons Před rokem +16

      Having had some insight into the internal machinations of professional boards, I'll bet weekly review questions sounded like a good straightforward idea to increase member engagement... when it was first brought up in committee. After bouncing around for months, accumulating amendments and exceptions, the seemingly simplest of processes can wind up implemented as an onerous convoluted mess.
      If my experience can at all be generalized, I think Hanlon's Razor applies - never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence.

    • @MsSgent
      @MsSgent Před rokem

      Is that better or worse than sitting for ABR board exams every 7-10 years which is what was done prior? I don't know...

    • @phaseencode4911
      @phaseencode4911 Před rokem +2

      The ABR will send you two questions every Monday, but you can wait up to a month to answer them before they mysteriously "expire". That should be long enough to sober up. Also, if you get one wrong they will ask you the same question again in 2-3 weeks. So at least you feel smarter the second time you see it.
      You only have to answer ~50 questions a year, so you can ignore all the questions for half the year, ignore half the questions for an entire year, or something in between. I recently finished 50 this year, so they will leave me alone until January.
      Yes it's annoying, but it's way better than sitting for an MOC exam every 10 years like the poor ABIM doc in the video.

    • @AlexBesogonov
      @AlexBesogonov Před rokem +2

      Somebody will probably make a ChatGPT-based bot to answer them.

  • @mt.n5427
    @mt.n5427 Před rokem +80

    He forgot to mention the fact that you are not allowed to register to take your 10 year recertification exam without paying for all the MÓC fees first. Essentially, pay so that you can pay to get tested. The ABIM needs to get audited by the federal government or we as physicians should boycott it completely

    • @Julia-lk8jn
      @Julia-lk8jn Před rokem +2

      Where are they even getting their authority from? And is that a government organization or a private one? Because practices like that scream "well we have a responsibility to our share holders to squeeze money out of health care providers" .

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Julia-lk8jn Well, they were already squeezing as much money as they could out of the patients. When you've bled one stone dry, gotta find a new stone.

    • @Julia-lk8jn
      @Julia-lk8jn Před 11 měsíci

      @@rcslyman8929 still, if anybody/ any government entity gave them authority, shouldn't they also check against abuse?

  • @valfranmay2022
    @valfranmay2022 Před rokem +52

    I can't believe how accurate and sad this is. And it's not just in the U.S. I'm an Internal Medicine specialist and I'm from Argentina. We pay to the board every month a fee for our doctor licence and for a specialist licence, a monthly fee for insurance and we also pay every five years an extra fee for the "renovation" of the specialists certificate. All in exchange for...nothing. They do dictate several courses but SPOILER! that comes with a different fee!! We pretty much feel robbed

  • @Mrinsecure
    @Mrinsecure Před rokem +126

    In theory, there are very good reasons to ensure continuing compliance with professional requirements to ensure a high level of care for patients. In practice, however, some of the things doctors need to go through to maintain that compliance are arbitrary, redundant, or just plain rent-seeking.
    Remember: it's not a racket if it's legally mandated.

    • @jacobthelioneater
      @jacobthelioneater Před rokem +12

      Of course if it were about standards, they'd ask for demonstration of competence - not money. This system only weeds out those who can't afford it.

    • @KiithnarasAshaa
      @KiithnarasAshaa Před rokem +9

      @@jacobthelioneater "Oh, don't worry, we'll still require that you demonstrate your competence, otherwise our expensive certification process will lack the appearance of legitimacy. That will be five hundred dollars. Or Else."

    • @aduboo29
      @aduboo29 Před rokem +1

      I'm required to maintain various training certificates in my own job, taking fresh tests every year, and I've never had to pay a penny for them.

    • @Mrinsecure
      @Mrinsecure Před rokem +1

      @@aduboo29 Good for you? Not everyone is so fortunate as to have an employer that'll cover the costs of certification/continuing education requirements.

    • @MrScrofulous
      @MrScrofulous Před rokem +1

      Yeah, but the Mickey Mouse shit in place does little to catch or remediate delinquent practitioners. The systems are too easy to game and conscientious people don't need a brownie point system.

  • @wandanorris5388
    @wandanorris5388 Před rokem +136

    This made me feel so sad…and horrified! But what makes me happy is that this channel’s content is raising awareness of our medical system’s flaws. Please keep the humor rolling out Sir!

  • @carmenjholmesmd4226
    @carmenjholmesmd4226 Před rokem +59

    Thank you, and thanks to all who have sued and protested this extortion since it began in 2014. Shot out to the NBPAS, which provides an increasingly viable alternative to the ABMS.

  • @Flynn-dy5zv
    @Flynn-dy5zv Před rokem +16

    Exactly the same in France with our mandatory annual fee of 400€ to the National Medicine Order, just to maintain the right to exerce our profession, but without any positive action from their part to the Doctors and the Healthcare, and without knowing where the money is going appart in their pocket and in a villa with swimming pool... No Fee, no Medecine... It seems we have the same kind of racket everywhere...

    • @Roxy-Mara
      @Roxy-Mara Před rokem +1

      Yeah same here in the UK... and they use our money to sue us and invest in stocks of fast food and soft drink companies....😔

  • @lisa2000geese
    @lisa2000geese Před rokem +22

    Same thing happens with clinical social work, another healthcare field. The fees for mandatory continuing education training and maintaining the license were so expensive it's one reason I quit. And yes, they charge these costs right after we pay for grad school and pay for the licensing exam. You can access so much of the training content for free but they still make you pay for the certificates, sometimes hundreds for just one training. All this while social workers earn such low income.

    • @falconerd343
      @falconerd343 Před rokem +1

      Social work is such an undeserved field too! This is a big factor in why society is falling apart.

  • @T123456788
    @T123456788 Před rokem +13

    Makes American Board of Pathology's $150 annual fee for MOC questions and no exam every 10 years seem like a steal

  • @carmenbirb1687
    @carmenbirb1687 Před rokem +91

    Once again it takes a comedian (or someone stepping into the role of one) to expose the truth to the public. You're doing the right thing with your platform. Thank you 🤜🤛

    • @BlueNEXUSGaming
      @BlueNEXUSGaming Před 7 měsíci +2

      Never anger the Jester nor the Fool, for they are the ones who can expose the real tool, the real jewel, and the real wrongdoer.

  • @blueblood20102
    @blueblood20102 Před rokem +8

    My oral boards were in a VERY nice headquarters building. What I would have preferred would be to take them on Zoom and save the facility fee, and proctor fee, and hotel bill, and plane ticket, and...

    • @muhsalihu
      @muhsalihu Před rokem

      I feel your pain. In Anglophone West Africa, one must travel to Accra or Ibadan for some of the exams.

  • @evajaz16
    @evajaz16 Před rokem +113

    Wonderful video! I was upset this was happening to nurses as well. We should protest!! I was like don’t they need more nurses why is my license renewal ever increasing in cost! I’m so annoyed

    • @classicambo9781
      @classicambo9781 Před rokem +2

      Can't you claim it as a deductible on your tax, though? We do in Australia as it is required for work.

    • @kerriadereth
      @kerriadereth Před rokem +1

      You all need a general medical work-to-rule across the entire USA. I know you can't strike outright, but yeah.

    • @slantdwave
      @slantdwave Před rokem +2

      ​@@kerriaderethwhat is that? And where from?

  • @Weatherman4Eva
    @Weatherman4Eva Před rokem +33

    I feel like no matter what evil shit happens, it always ties back again with the insurance companies. Sure am glad that by law I have to keep these companies in business no matter how bad a service they provide

    • @MyFiddlePlayer
      @MyFiddlePlayer Před rokem +2

      Want to know why US health care is so expensive? Because insurance companies get about 30% of every dollar spent.

    • @beanmeupscotty
      @beanmeupscotty Před rokem +2

      If you're looking for another reason to hate the insurance companies- they are the reason hospital labs are now considered a large source of financial loss in spite of being involved with 70%+ of patient diagnoses. Medicare set arbitrary reimbursement prices that often don't even cover the full cost of materials, let alone cost of lab maintenance & staff salary, and most private insurances followed suite because they can. However, to the private individual (ESPECIALLY the uninsured ones), any costs from insurance refusing the true bill & the hospital doesn't just absorb are passed onto them!
      I'm sure there will be no adverse byproducts from disincentivizing investing money into the lab personnel that influence patient diagnosis & the expensive equipment that help make it happen. :)

  • @willow6049
    @willow6049 Před rokem +5

    I am a speech language pathologist. I do not make anything near what a doctor does. I also have to maintain a certificate. I spend close to $400+ every year taking continuing education courses, dues for my Certificate or clinical competency, AND I have to pay for a license to practice in what ever state I live in. It is ridiculous. The only benefit I get is to be able to keep my job. There are no protections or guidelines. I do not even get liability insurance. I also do not get any free continuing education courses and I have to pay extra for the organization to keep a record of the continuing education courses that they require I take. It is a racket.

  • @WolfiePH
    @WolfiePH Před rokem +5

    "It seems that the knowledge you've acquired through college is expiring soon. Feel free to pay to renew this neural pathway."

  • @hollywalker7235
    @hollywalker7235 Před rokem +40

    I discovered you when recovering from a tibial fx with a long rehab/PT. You helped me laugh when I was actually afraid of the health system in general. I'm a nurse with extensive ICU experience, and oh yes, I was afraid. Maybe Jonathan or your wife can be the patient who knows too much. As a farmer's daughter, ,( stop sniggering.), I love the rural medicine bits. What's his pain level? I'm here ain't I?! You and your wife are beautiful people, and thank you for sharing your stories. They almost give me chest pain. Bless you both, and thanks for your important work, couched in humor.

  • @Crymeariver227
    @Crymeariver227 Před rokem +23

    Gee, sounds a lot like insurance deductibles, OOP expenses, and copays!!👍

  • @AP-nj1mr
    @AP-nj1mr Před rokem +7

    Same scam going on here in UK with the General Medical Council.

  • @ElSeif666
    @ElSeif666 Před rokem +68

    Is there a part of US Healthcare which is not a Scam? 😅

    • @XSniper74184
      @XSniper74184 Před rokem +23

      ... I mean maybe the surgery itself? Like you go in to get your appendix out and I think they'll get the whole thing out... Right?

    • @Siseja
      @Siseja Před rokem

      Ironically: Vaccines

    • @_Ekaros
      @_Ekaros Před rokem +9

      @@XSniper74184 And sometimes they don't even leave any extra inside you!

    • @Sceusell
      @Sceusell Před rokem +6

      When they do a kidney transplant, sometimes they don't even bother taking the old one out. They just leave a dead kidney inside you and close you back up

    • @XSniper74184
      @XSniper74184 Před rokem +5

      @@Sceusell sweet, bonus kidney!

  • @harrynazarian3184
    @harrynazarian3184 Před rokem +11

    Oh. My. God. I am sending this to my uncle. He's going to be playing this over and over again, after his complaints about ABIM. This short is a lot cleaner than what he would say about ABIM.

  • @mikealphagolf
    @mikealphagolf Před rokem +6

    Literally paid ABIM yesterday and was fuming over the uselessness of the fee. This made me laugh, then cry. But laugh.

  • @GammerGurten
    @GammerGurten Před rokem +4

    The way his eyes dart to the side when he says “research” is a classic and very subtle signal of a lie. Genius.

  • @Roxy-Mara
    @Roxy-Mara Před rokem +23

    Pf, this hit me hard. In the UK we pay over 400 pounds per year just to be registered as a doctor. And this goes up significantly when you're a board certified specialist. And that's just one of the many fees...😩

  • @hm8489
    @hm8489 Před rokem +7

    As a PA, I have to pay for DEA license, which is $888 every 3 years even though I don’t prescribe narcotics in my work. I also have to pay for national license and state license. If you are full time, your employer may reimburse you, if not, it is coming out of your pocket. There is also fees for recertification exam.

    • @ej1847
      @ej1847 Před rokem

      Hell no lol

    • @yaboicolleen
      @yaboicolleen Před 7 měsíci

      damn, ANOTHER reason to hate the DEA. the list just keeps growing

  • @22Too
    @22Too Před rokem +14

    Wow! Keep on telling us the terrible truth, Dr. G!

  • @CattyT1
    @CattyT1 Před rokem +6

    So true, even in the U.K. it’s expensive to be a doctor. Exams, meeting attendance fees, college and association annual fees, Defence union fees, other societies. All annual payments that can add up hugely. 😢

    • @Roxy-Mara
      @Roxy-Mara Před rokem +1

      especially on the pay we're on 😭

  • @patrickclark9430
    @patrickclark9430 Před rokem +9

    Cue the classical music and Internal medicine waking up with the head of a Foley catheter.

  • @1986lazarus
    @1986lazarus Před rokem +4

    My college fees this year came up on my bank statement as an "entertainment expense". Paying that thousand dollars to keep my job sure was entertaining!

  • @Mo-tn1gm
    @Mo-tn1gm Před rokem +34

    My guess is every discipline is subject to this extortion. For CRNAs, they raised the requirements to PhD for new graduates and similar fees and recertification is required. No increase in pay either and higher student loans...Quite the racket.

  • @doctorgears9358
    @doctorgears9358 Před rokem +6

    I feel like situations like this are widespread throughout multiple industries and we just don’t hear about it because there isn’t a funny youtube person who happens to be a professional in that industry to tell us about it.
    Really makes you think.

    • @NYKevin100
      @NYKevin100 Před 5 měsíci

      Most kinds of engineering probably have something like this... except for software engineering, which bizarrely hasn't gotten around to inventing a "real" certification yet. There are pieces of paper that say "certification" on them... but most engineers don't even have one, and literally nobody cares.

  • @liberalsockpuppet4772
    @liberalsockpuppet4772 Před rokem +9

    Thank you for bringing these issues to light.

  • @sandroairj
    @sandroairj Před rokem +2

    “Are you threatening me right now?” “No, technically it’s extorsion” killed me 😂

  • @Murnan79
    @Murnan79 Před rokem +6

    Thank you for exposing all the dark corners of the medical world! Spreading awareness of a problem is the first step in changing, but no one likes to be lectured. To spread awareness through humor is wildly effective!

  • @GamerX13X
    @GamerX13X Před rokem +16

    Another great vid by the good doctor. Another funny and pointed critique of the american healthcare system

  • @JonathanMichael
    @JonathanMichael Před rokem +5

    It would've been better if the IM attending threw Harrison's Internal Medicine book into the director's face for being greedy

  • @nothingleft08
    @nothingleft08 Před rokem +2

    I'm not even medicine and I felt every bit threatened as well. What is happening 😢

  • @BoneDoctor_YouTube
    @BoneDoctor_YouTube Před rokem

    Appreciate you sharing that perspective, excellent job as always

  • @emperor8716
    @emperor8716 Před rokem +27

    poor internal medicine, everyone hates him 😢

    • @muhsalihu
      @muhsalihu Před rokem +2

      He is just an example for the skit, all the colleges do it.

  • @christinabratcher2625
    @christinabratcher2625 Před rokem +3

    Welcome to my world. Hope the ABIM exec Dr Baron watches your channel. Will be one of the best things about retiring, not paying the extortion!

  • @m0nkEz
    @m0nkEz Před rokem +2

    They are simply researching new ways to make the quarterly report look good for shareholders.

  • @CardioDoc-gw8pf
    @CardioDoc-gw8pf Před rokem +1

    This is so true and apt. I have to pay more than a 1000$ every year to maintain not just my IM but also all of my subspecialty certification despite passing the exam for the MOC! And no one knows where the money goes!!

  • @margaretbear
    @margaretbear Před rokem +6

    Gah, nursing is moving in the same direction 😩

  • @wibufisika9606
    @wibufisika9606 Před rokem +3

    It's also prevalent in academics, where the need for English language certification cost so much money, up to 200 dollars and the certificate is only available for 2 years.
    I can't help but to draw a comparison with Japanese certification, which cost barely 20 dollars and it is eligible for life.

  • @euaggelion03
    @euaggelion03 Před rokem +2

    Dude, love it. I'm an internist...this is 100% accurate. I think you are about to see a mass exodus from ABIM for this reason.

  • @BigArmBoss
    @BigArmBoss Před rokem +31

    What a racket. Wish I'd thought of it!
    The American Board of Anesthesiology sure does have a nice fancy building, though.
    Of course, they start training you for this in medical school. That Step II Clinical Skills test? Designed to make sure foreign graduates could adequately communicate and such. But you're not going to fund all those testing centers and staff unless you compel the U.S. students to take it, too!

    • @PhoenixRoseYT
      @PhoenixRoseYT Před rokem +1

      We don’t do clinical skills anymore.

    • @kennyc002
      @kennyc002 Před rokem +1

      @@PhoenixRoseYT Ya, was out of the loop, kinda surprised they stopped doing step 2 CS, since that was basically yet another easy way to scam you out of a bunch of cash. Unless...they just raise the price of CK....

    • @pimpnorris2097
      @pimpnorris2097 Před rokem

      @@PhoenixRoseYT Best f***ing believe they will be bring that back as soon as is possible

  • @MinhTran-qs3rr
    @MinhTran-qs3rr Před rokem +4

    I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Regardless, I really enjoy your work. Thanks!

  • @rainsonata4724
    @rainsonata4724 Před rokem +8

    I'm not internal medicine, but as a speech language pathologist, we have the same problem with the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA) :^)

    • @mommachupacabra
      @mommachupacabra Před rokem +1

      It's not just your certs. My younger kiddo was getting SLP therapy; her SLP let us rip a copy of her outdated PECS disk (hers was 2 generations old, the latest version was about $300+) so we could print and laminate our own cards, and when she showed me how much the tools and games cost in her catalog, I pulled out my Oriental Trading Company catalog which had THE EXACT SAME TOYS (sold as, well, TOYS) for about 1/10 to 1/50th the cost (but without the instructions.) Southeastern PA had a OTC outlet store, and not only could she buy the stuff, she could buy the supplies for her child patients for LITERAL PENNIES.

    • @rainsonata4724
      @rainsonata4724 Před rokem

      ​@mommachupacabra Do you happen to have a link to cheaper places to buy toys and material for this SLP? I usually go to dollar tree or Target's $5 section, but would love to have more options.

  • @emilytransue5953
    @emilytransue5953 Před rokem

    omg I love every single video but, as an internist, this one just feels like a very special gift... every year I write my check to ABIM and die a little bit more inside.... thank you!!!

  • @rebekahshoop2949
    @rebekahshoop2949 Před rokem +4

    This is so true - I pay fees to three different medical “regulatory” organizations every year and I have NO IDEA what they’re doing for me. Nothing, I suspect. The fourth organization is for malpractice insurance - that’s the only one I have any respect for. The rest are leeches.

  • @bordenfleetwood5773
    @bordenfleetwood5773 Před rokem +5

    I really hate how accurate this is. Couch it however you like, this is what's happening throughout the medical community.

  • @deep-seeker
    @deep-seeker Před rokem +2

    And this people is one of the reasons why we have expensive doctors.

  • @carriejordan8573
    @carriejordan8573 Před 11 měsíci

    ABIM: You know what? It would be great if you would just stop asking questions?
    That says it all right there!! 🤣🤣
    Thank you Dr G for your comic relief….laughter IS the best medicine
    As usual, your videos are 100% on point 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @Mysticth
    @Mysticth Před rokem +3

    Thank you as always for the humor and the content.
    Burn this system to the ground.

  • @paulperryman9989
    @paulperryman9989 Před rokem +3

    For the record, the annual fee is $220 but you video captures the essence of how many internist feel about the ABIM yearly maintainence fee. Thank you for bringing attention to this issue.

    • @socalsp3
      @socalsp3 Před 8 měsíci

      its not so much the money but the time wasted away from actual patient care for these shenanigans

  • @SubtleBanshee
    @SubtleBanshee Před rokem +1

    Unfortunately, this goes for administrative parts of Healthcare, too. As a Certified Medical Coder, I paid $500 a year. $480 of it was the certification itself, and $120 was for the webinar subscription because I didn't have the time to go to the monthly meetings for our chapter.
    And here's the kicker: I never once worked as a medical coding specialist because I "didn't have enough experience" and couldn't pass the aptitude tests they gave in lieu of experience (I was one of the top of my class and I passed the CPC exam on the first try; An exam that, statistically, takes people anywhere between 5-15 attempts to pass. $390 an exam, mind you).

  • @catdad626
    @catdad626 Před rokem +2

    If there's money to be made, there are parasites waiting to exploit the host

  • @AnOriginalYouTuber
    @AnOriginalYouTuber Před rokem +36

    If people knew how many industries operate, there'd be a change in management within the week.

    • @annelynn8708
      @annelynn8708 Před rokem +1

      I wish.

    • @rayzerot
      @rayzerot Před rokem

      The Status Quo is practically undefeated. Test him at your own peril.

    • @adamspark9259
      @adamspark9259 Před rokem

      If that were true, that change would have happened years ago.

  • @vuedoc
    @vuedoc Před rokem +9

    Don't forget about losing hospital privileges should one's certification lapse. Thank you so much for making this video! This is exactly the situation in which we have found ourselves themselves: Mob-level extortion from the ABIM. And this is all in addition to sub-specialty MOC. There will come a time when physicians will need to pay more than they earn for the privilege of practicing medicine.

  • @suziemyers9855
    @suziemyers9855 Před rokem +2

    ABFP -- same thing, of course. The annual maintenance of certification tests just got printed off and exchanged among us for years and years because THEY NEVER CHANGED THE TESTS! So much for keeping us up to date. I quit paying the extortion money about 6 years into my last cycle. I'll work in a prison before I pay them another dime. One year, I had the 10-year test, my license, DEA, and the required 30 hours of CME (plus travel) all hit. I was working PT, and it took me four months of working to pay that off. None of it deductible. It'd be more honest if they'd just kneecap me.

  • @Just1Nora
    @Just1Nora Před rokem +2

    My mom is a retired RN. She went to school in the 80s. She spent most of my childhood my adulthood working as a school nurse. Now I can understand retesting every ten years if you haven't been working under a physician because new information and techniques are discovered or developed all the time, but the fees are ridiculous. She volunteers a couple days a week at the local free clinic just to keep herself busy, and she still needs to keep her certification renewed. I can see both sides. I've had doctors who were still practicing using their 1980s school knowledge, and while they were good doctors they were missing a lot of current changes, especially one of my neurologist. Good diagnostitian, but not so great as a clinician. At least not for migraines anyway. My dad sees him for Parkinsons and he handles that really well. And yes, he was listed as a migraine specialist. After a number of years without success he did refer me to a colleague who was better equipped to handle my case. I respect a doctor who knows their limitations and will send you elsewhere if they aren't able to help you anymore.
    I think of the medical licensing a bit like a driver's license. In my state you have to pass an eye test and get a new picture taken every 10 yrs, with proof of residency and birth certificate. You don't have to take a road test or knowledge test, though you probably should. It only costs like $20-$30 too. One year I saw an old man REALLY struggling with the eye test and I just kept thinking about how they shouldn't have kept trying to help him pass if his eyesight was that poor. That's dangerous.

    • @jeanjaz
      @jeanjaz Před rokem

      I'm not a doctor, only a long term and well informed patient due to the childhood one of a chronic disease and the side effects of the meds I take.
      I haven't noticed that this recert process makes much difference in the quality of doctor.
      I've had a few doctors tell me I was more complex than they were comfortable dealing with, but I have had a greater number just bluffing their way through my problems. I've had several make totally STUPID recommendations - like amputation to deal with the pain in my feet for instance.
      I had one ridicule me for avoiding using my hands to push myself up out of a chair so that I didn't cause deterioration in my knuckles and other things. He said he did karate and purposely hit walls to strengthen his knuckles my forming scar tissue. He didn't have a deteriorating disease, and he hadn't been taking Prednisone for 20 years. He was just an ignorant doctor, regardless of recertification programs.

  • @docgammycat
    @docgammycat Před rokem +4

    Regardless whether the original intent of boarding or certifying was to ensure safe, skilled practitioners, in reality, the trustworthiness and excellence of a doctor emanates from internal motivation and dedication to the craft. Annual exams and society membership cannot inspire good work. As the saying goes, "It's an inside job."

  • @katm1379
    @katm1379 Před rokem +3

    1:00 correction required here... the purpose of American Healthcare association is to make 1 billion dollars in profit every year so that their CEO can buy another yatch

  • @vistastructions
    @vistastructions Před rokem

    Hey Dr Glaucomflecken! I'm the guy who did the Jonathan nod to you at FMA today! As an MS3, it felt so crazy and amazing to meet you in person and get a photo with you!!! Thank you so much for all that you do!!!

  • @saram.7174
    @saram.7174 Před rokem +1

    I strongly feel about this! As an A&e trainee in the UK, I have to pay two organizations similar to this- GMC and RCEM- certified with the gmc 4 years ago and I still have to pay for RCEM exams throughout my training and will have to continue paying for both throughout my career. And no I don’t understand why either.

  • @jeanjaz
    @jeanjaz Před rokem +4

    I'm not a doctor, only a well informed patient due to the childhood onset of a chronic disease and the side effects of the meds I take.
    I haven't noticed that this recert process makes much difference in the quality of doctor.
    I've had a few doctors tell me I was more complex than they were comfortable dealing with, but I have had a greater number just bluffing their way through my problems.
    I've had several make totally STUPID recommendations - like amputation to deal with the pain in my feet for instance. (Amputated limbs STILL hurt, and are very hard on other limbs and joints that are used to make up the difference. )
    I had one ridicule me for avoiding using my hands to push myself up out of a chair so that I didn't cause deterioration in my knuckles and other things. He said he did karate and purposely hit walls to strengthen his knuckles by forming scar tissue. He didn't have a deteriorating disease, and he hadn't been taking Prednisone for 20 years. He was just an ignorant doctor, regardless of recertification programs.
    Good doctors keep up on their reading, and read up on the conditions and meds their own patients deal with.
    The BEST thing is for a patient to be informed - keeping up on the research, understanding the systems their own conditions(s) affect, and checking on the meds they take -- their interactions, side affects, and contraindications (have ONE pharmacist and have a good relationship with them!)
    Being a well- informed patient helps your doctor, and may save your life. Especially if you end up with a hospital doctor who knows nothing about you or your meds. When they have a load of patients, they don't have time to look up conditions or meds they are unfamiliar with - that's just unrealistic.
    There have been times I've had to explain my own meds to a hospital doctor. What if I had been unconscious?
    I have two summary sheets I give to family members and any new medical facility or doctor. One gives a short outline summary of my medical history and explains all my diagnoses, the other gives a summary of my meds (name, dose, why I take it, how it works, containdications, interactions, side-effects), this includes supplements.
    I have another page that lists all my doctors, their specialty, and phone number. (For possible consults)
    I keep a copy of these with me in my hospital room because you get new doctors and nurses at shift change. You can't guarantee the new staff has seen/ heard more than the comments of the outgoing shift.
    A copy of these papers are in my records, but most doctors I ask haven't seen them and have to drill down into my records to even find them. Most of my medical staff are grateful for them - it saves them having to research all that (IF they were even so inclined in the first place).
    If you have a complex medical history like me, understanding your conditions, your meds, the normal and imperfect human beings who are (hopefully) trying to care for you, and the medical system you are stuck in are vitally important!

  • @Quickturealeyes
    @Quickturealeyes Před rokem +9

    Grifters gotta grift.

  • @marian1576
    @marian1576 Před rokem

    I learned something new all the time from you, Doctor

  • @StrangeTimesIndeed
    @StrangeTimesIndeed Před rokem +2

    Like everything else in our system, it's a racket. 😐

  • @bobbyfeet2240
    @bobbyfeet2240 Před rokem +49

    A likely part of the reason a lot of fees like this are high is because many employers cover them so the doctors don't really see them. I suspect hospitals/clinics/medical systems see it as a small outlay relatively speaking (or just silently mentally deduct it from what they pay doctors), so they don't push back. If you're employer doesn't pay it... ouch.

    • @snafons
      @snafons Před rokem +9

      Sorry, while there are occasional fees covered for the most part that is not the case at all.

    • @hazeltulip
      @hazeltulip Před rokem +4

      No, the fees aren’t covered.

    • @uglytv3417
      @uglytv3417 Před rokem +6

      Maintenance of Certification (MOC) fees are not covered by the largest Healthcare employer in the US. Source: I am a physician employed by them, and am required to pay the fees myself.
      Also worth noting: this ain't just internal medicine. Most American medical boards now have MOC.

    • @Gilvala
      @Gilvala Před rokem +2

      Doc from Australia here - we have similar annual fees - I’ve never come across an employer that helped to cover them before :(
      Best we can do is chuck them on as business expenses on the tax return

    • @IndigobluBeauty
      @IndigobluBeauty Před rokem

      My group covers them but I am reimbursed so I definitely see them

  • @echassin
    @echassin Před rokem +5

    Fantastic video and I hope it has a positive impact.
    I accept the need for regulatory oversight and I confess I don't know a better way, but one of the niggly annoyances that led me to retire young is that orthopedic surgery suffers the same phenomenon. The expense is exacerbated by the time expenditure and even worse, I didn't learn much of anything useful from MOC or CME. The useful learning took place through day-to-day immersion in the field. IMO the question remains how to encourage that behavior and measure it unobtrusively.

    • @ShuRugal
      @ShuRugal Před rokem +1

      "and I confess I don't know a better way"
      pick any country in the European Union. Literally every single one of them has longer life expectancies, fewer emergency visits, more positive-outcome results from those emergency visits, and less cost per citizen to provide medical services.
      Like, just make a dartboard out of all countries in Europe west of the former Iron Curtain, and we'll do whatever the country the dart lands on is doing.

    • @cbpd89
      @cbpd89 Před rokem +1

      But, as noted by other commenters, the issues in this video of doctors paying large fees to maintain certification happens in the EU too.

    • @ShuRugal
      @ShuRugal Před rokem

      @@cbpd89 Doesn't mean there's nothing we can take from those models to improve our own.

  • @-beee-
    @-beee- Před rokem +1

    I'm still utterly shocked that we have a hard cap on the number of people we allow to train to be doctors. Like what??

  • @leelu9236
    @leelu9236 Před rokem +1

    Same for lab scientists. Pay hundreds to take the exam and then pay every three years for the rest of your career for them to say you're current. And usually pay for the CE too.

    • @uglytv3417
      @uglytv3417 Před rokem

      And pathologists, while we're on the lab. =)

  • @trellises
    @trellises Před rokem +15

    How is this legal? 😕

    • @abd-animation-22
      @abd-animation-22 Před rokem

      I have no idea

    • @emperor8716
      @emperor8716 Před rokem +5

      loopholes

    • @rawaz940
      @rawaz940 Před rokem +11

      MURICA BABY!!

    • @cosmocosmos
      @cosmocosmos Před rokem

      you know... USA. land of the free... Can't have the government controll something, no matter how stupid it is

    • @SamlSchulze1104
      @SamlSchulze1104 Před rokem

      Did you not hear?
      "No, please, stop. I'll pay you whatever you want!".
      People being exploited are not doing anything about it. They've given up.

  • @Emilio1985
    @Emilio1985 Před rokem +4

    And this is why unions and worker solidarity are so important.
    As long as any worker is being exploited by the system, it justified exploitation of every worker.

  • @diasmemorylane5827
    @diasmemorylane5827 Před 2 měsíci

    1:31 "Are you threatening me right now?" "No. Technically, it's extortion." I LOL'd at that one.

  • @chriscourtois9103
    @chriscourtois9103 Před rokem +1

    This is so true. As a Massage Therapist our fees are $1000 annually plus insurance 😢

  • @nithilanamudhan6260
    @nithilanamudhan6260 Před rokem +3

    How is any of this legal lmaooo? Isnt an organisation like this supposed to help doctors from getting exploited and not this way?

    • @ShuRugal
      @ShuRugal Před rokem

      go ask your neighbors who keep voting for Republicans how it's legal.

    • @PhoenixRoseYT
      @PhoenixRoseYT Před rokem

      Capitalism

  • @PhoenixRoseYT
    @PhoenixRoseYT Před rokem +2

    I have the same questions about the $1500 i spent on boards and the $600 I’m about to pay for residency applications 😐

  • @clashguideswithdusk7487
    @clashguideswithdusk7487 Před rokem +1

    Happens here in Australia as well. $900 for medical licensing, $3700 college fees, $2000 exam fees per exam, indemnity, income protection etc etc

  • @Yachirobi
    @Yachirobi Před rokem +1

    Our constant desire for profit is killing us at every level. We are turning into Ferengi.

  • @AllArePunished
    @AllArePunished Před rokem

    JFC the system is broken in more ways than i realized. You do good work, keep it up.

  • @epicurusman778
    @epicurusman778 Před rokem

    Being in medicine is like being surrounded by nefarious actors and villains all trying to keep you from delivering patient care.

  • @BlueNEXUSGaming
    @BlueNEXUSGaming Před 7 měsíci +1

    Oh yeah, now I remember why I don't want to become a Psychologist. It wasn't the Psychological Trauma I would experience from treating my patients, it's the extortion to maintain my certification!

  • @maryroberts9315
    @maryroberts9315 Před rokem

    "It would be great if you stopped asking questions.". The answer to most questions.

  • @CliffSturgeon
    @CliffSturgeon Před rokem

    The change in the characters eyes is great. Good job expressing the dead corporate look vs the hopeful eyes.of the physician staff (except radiology. Pretty aure those qre just cameras under there).