The coloured identity

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  • čas přidán 18. 09. 2023
  • The question of racial and cultural identity remains a greater part of
    South African history and culture.
    Author and director at Rivonia Circle Tessa Dooms and author and New
    York Times journalist Lynsey Chutel wrote a book titled Coloured,
    which tackles the question of identity.
    They speak to Stephen Grootes.
    Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

Komentáře • 179

  • @fabianmanuel6432
    @fabianmanuel6432 Před 10 měsíci +13

    These ladies did an amazingly fantastic job in articulating and communicating this topic. 🇿🇦❤️🇿🇦❤️🇿🇦

  • @rosinamogano9545
    @rosinamogano9545 Před 10 měsíci +12

    Am black and i don't have problem with coloured people. We are all our own,lets love them and respect who they are and there cultures.

    • @caylya7869
      @caylya7869 Před 2 měsíci

      Which black though, majority of people complaining of coloured are Americans. Black South Africans don’t really have a problem with it.

  • @lungamasuku6872
    @lungamasuku6872 Před 10 měsíci +14

    Iam glad we’re having this conversation as a country ❤

    • @jameskillu9171
      @jameskillu9171 Před 10 měsíci

      hope you dont call yourself coloured,

    • @helensimpson3257
      @helensimpson3257 Před 10 měsíci +1

      This is not a country it's 3 people telling the truth. Not that it's going to matter.

    • @helensimpson3257
      @helensimpson3257 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Where do we belong in the "new south africa?" We are only black when they need the votes, but too coloured when we need jobs. It happened in the previous dispensation and now in the anc's south africa. We are overlooked in every way.

  • @ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub
    @ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Před 10 měsíci +13

    My coloured friends are all proud of being coloured and their own unique culture.
    I'm sure there are a few exceptions.

  • @thembanimgenu190
    @thembanimgenu190 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Life, culture, life stories all come with living spirit.
    With due respect being black for isn’t political, it's culture, it's language, it's how I interact with other people around me, it's race and all the prejudice against me that comes with it, etc. Am black and will always be black.
    With RESPECT to the pannelists to be coloured and the say you can't employ black teachers here or vice versa is to who you are and against others, but I agree people should define themselves and live in their own terms

  • @KlipDriftCoke
    @KlipDriftCoke Před 6 měsíci +8

    I'm coloured from Westbury and super proud to be coloured! It's not an insult to be called white, asian or black, it's just that people need to accept that we are our own people that actually doesn't want to be black enough or white enough. We are happy the way we are which is the most diverse race on the planet.

  • @jsmithforreal
    @jsmithforreal Před 10 měsíci +6

    Thank you ladies, I commend you and I am so proud as this is a defining moment for us coloured people of SA. I am cape coloured born and breaded and still experience racism in the work place by whites. Please get those books in the stores so that our children can read and those t-shirts too please so that we can proudly wear them!

    • @imhotep1613
      @imhotep1613 Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂😂, is Coloured a race ?
      You guys make me laugh . Europeans created a so called identity for you ,the language you speak is NOT an indigenous african language, so finally you guys are like bats 😂😂😂

  • @lilianhaggland2031
    @lilianhaggland2031 Před 9 měsíci +8

    Im coloured proudly coloured... period

  • @sharaviva
    @sharaviva Před 3 měsíci +1

    So proud of these young ladies. Eloquent & so articulate

  • @phumlamazibuko3003
    @phumlamazibuko3003 Před 10 měsíci +14

    Im from the family of coloured but it doesn't bother us bcoz we celebrate culture. Proudly who we are.

    • @jameskillu9171
      @jameskillu9171 Před 10 měsíci +1

      You are black and you should be celebrating your blackness

    • @RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb
      @RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb Před 10 měsíci

      Blacks want everyone to be black, when instead they should accept people of other races. Colourds have their own culture as do whites,Indians and chinese. We won't assymulate to black culture we not the one with an identity crisis

    • @kingofhearts1072
      @kingofhearts1072 Před 9 měsíci

      Create your OWN name for your culture, stop using a name that South African apartheidists chose for you.

    • @imhotep1613
      @imhotep1613 Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂 what culture do you have?

    • @zazzleq6139
      @zazzleq6139 Před 5 měsíci

      When will coloureds push for changing cape town name to a Khwe Xam name?
      You guys are not proud of your Khwe Xam heritage. What’s the difference between coloureds and your oppressors from europe?
      White people made them ashamed of their African heritage.

  • @julaygaalfred5096
    @julaygaalfred5096 Před měsícem

    I am a coloured South African and proud of what our people bring to the South African culture

  • @nerinemartin5901
    @nerinemartin5901 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Proud Kullid ! marrried to a man of Tswana n Colored heritage ...we hve beautiful exotic looking kids ...Many ways of being Colored ... Jst enjoy being alive ...in a time like this❤😊❤😊

  • @edmundwessels2072
    @edmundwessels2072 Před 10 měsíci +4

    It's complicated, very complicated. We are all human with different backgrounds. We all want to be loved and respected but we will behave differently in situations, we speak differently, we eat different food.

  • @sizwekhumalo3709
    @sizwekhumalo3709 Před 10 měsíci +12

    The problem is finding comfort in being classified by our skin coulor by our colonizers and it continues to divide than to build. Before Jan van riebeeck we were africans

    • @khaltsharivist365
      @khaltsharivist365 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Well said & it’s not even about skin colour either it’s much more nefarious symbolism as there is no healthy living human being with white skin (not even the palest) or black skin (not even the most melanated). If it was truly about complexion & not some faux-ethnographic descriptions then those who identify as white would be called by beige or pinkish red depending on complexion and those they call black would be whatever shade of brown. Interestingly Non-European people with albinism they are not considered white, they literally have little to no melanin. There are Asian groups that have paler skin tones than some Europeans but again they are not called white. That shows again that it’s not about skin complexion. The native Americans/First Nations people of America and the East Asians did well rejecting the colonial labels of being called ‘red’ and ‘yellow’ respectively. Words are powerful & one should not embrace names or labels coming from those with ulterior motives.

    • @RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb
      @RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb Před 10 měsíci

      Yes Africans in Africa. The Bantu Migration occurred so did colonialism blacks cannot redefine history orcwipe away culture. We won't assymulate to being blacks as non blacks. Deal with reality and stop blaming everyone else because you feel inferior... all blacks are doing is creating a white consiousness and colourd consiousness. It's blacks dividing everyone

    • @StudyWithKarabo
      @StudyWithKarabo Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@africacan There were no coloureds before colonization

    • @Kush-Kemet
      @Kush-Kemet Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@africacanWe were umNTU *singular and abaNTU *plural , hence umNTU ngumNTU ngabaNTU....

    • @caylya7869
      @caylya7869 Před 2 měsíci

      ⁠​⁠@@StudyWithKaraboThere were no black people, because blackness like Americans keep forgetting, is a social construct. There were only tribes.

  • @GeorgeHartley-e2m
    @GeorgeHartley-e2m Před 16 dny

    Proud of you ladies.

  • @TheChe_23.
    @TheChe_23. Před 10 měsíci +13

    My Mother says we were classified by the Boer pulling a pencil through our hair. Tight hair was classified differently to straight hair 😂. Proudly tight and Coloured ❤ 🇿🇦

    • @jameskillu9171
      @jameskillu9171 Před 10 měsíci

      Stop living the apartheid lies, you are black.

    • @kingofhearts1072
      @kingofhearts1072 Před 9 měsíci

      Create your OWN name for your culture, stop using a name that South African apartheidists chose for you.

  • @lee-annmajiet357
    @lee-annmajiet357 Před 10 měsíci +4

    We have mix coloured like my gran father he was white he married a beautiful Coloured woman my gran Ma ....Now my dad children were born with blonde hair some blonde and some dark hair We proudly being a Coloured who ever look different we Love them where we meet them....All Coloured have love for each other from me growing up until now....By being Coloured white Africans we all Humans we God people ❤❤❤

    • @nnfefe9451
      @nnfefe9451 Před 5 měsíci

      Great, peppercorn hair has disappeared.

    • @kozmickwe477
      @kozmickwe477 Před 13 dny

      @@nnfefe9451 You are clearly a white South African.

  • @AllenLutchman
    @AllenLutchman Před 8 měsíci +1

    i need this book

  • @charlenejulius8501
    @charlenejulius8501 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Hahaha, when i travel aboad people think i am from Italy, Portugal, Turkey, India lol..and I am like just think whatever...i am tired explaining my ancestry background. Coloured people comes from different ancestry backgrounds. The white man didnt know what to call us so the name coloured word came out. There are coloured people who looks more white than the white people themselves lol...my great grandfather comes from Holland met his dark skinned french wife. So some of the children came out looking " coloured" and some looking very dutch. This caused problems and problems. It divided us as a family. Our white relatives doesnt want to know us and we okay with that. We happy being called coloured . I grew up in a happy coloured community. I am not ashamed to tell people i am coloured but abroad i am tired explaining myself so i let them think what i am.

    • @HeyJuuude-05
      @HeyJuuude-05 Před 7 měsíci

      Why don’t your white relatives want to “know” you?

  • @moagiletlala7330
    @moagiletlala7330 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Whoever is associating colourd culture with violence and gangsterism is doing out ignorence. I think we need to educate our selfs about south African history.

    • @darelet
      @darelet Před 3 měsíci

      Is it true though? Is it not true that a significant colored youth population glorifies gangsterism?

  • @zulumkodi
    @zulumkodi Před 5 měsíci +2

    IF AFRICAN MEN HAD PROTECTED THEIR WOMEN FROM THE SETTLERS , WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS COLOURED CONVERSATION.

    • @jubilee203
      @jubilee203 Před 3 měsíci

      They did. That's why SA is only 7% white instead of 97%. And of course there were casualties.

  • @VinoEn56
    @VinoEn56 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I have an identity crisis. My father is coloured and my mother is black, I grew up in black township and I look more coloured. Growing up I classified as coloured, but since well being coloured is about culture, does that mean I can’t classify as one?

    • @mikemushipe6023
      @mikemushipe6023 Před 10 měsíci

      Let me help you out and make it simple............You are BLACK

    • @StudyWithKarabo
      @StudyWithKarabo Před 10 měsíci

      Yes, you are black

    • @myvlog5112
      @myvlog5112 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Your race is coloured and your culture would be the one you choose cause in other words your still mixed even if your one parent is black.

    • @imhotep1613
      @imhotep1613 Před 6 měsíci +3

      ​@@myvlog5112😂😂😂 Is coloured a race?? 😂😂

    • @myvlog5112
      @myvlog5112 Před 6 měsíci

      @@imhotep1613 Yeah, is black s race😅🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @thewordsmith5440
    @thewordsmith5440 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is basically how Louisiana Creoles in the U.S. define themselves there are heavily mixed creoles and then there are white creoles who are mostly white and there are black creoles who say they are black American but Creole also.

  • @janomesteve3129
    @janomesteve3129 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Im coloured and proud 2 be one

  • @user-td3kc7fx7f
    @user-td3kc7fx7f Před 4 měsíci +2

    To me, the word colored in the South African context means a black African tribe, just like Xhosa, Sotho, Zulu, and coloured.

    • @lucyjuicy2657
      @lucyjuicy2657 Před měsícem

      Yes!!!!! thats also how I see it. Because our Identities were stripped and today we are left with the one we created

  • @sengamemela3720
    @sengamemela3720 Před 10 měsíci +10

    My fellow south africans , culture or classification by apartheid is not your identity. YOUR identity comes from your father not your mother or community ...you do not choose who you are , your father's chromosome that gets passed to your children...determines your identity...your value...your confidence...

    • @moagiletlala7330
      @moagiletlala7330 Před 10 měsíci

      No way. U choose ho u want to identify

    • @MKL_D
      @MKL_D Před 10 měsíci +5

      If my father is Chinese but I am raised by vhavenda, there is no way I can call myself Chinese. I don't practice that culture. I am muvenda, that is how I was brought up.

  • @truth-Hurts375
    @truth-Hurts375 Před 10 měsíci +9

    To understand this...People must start reading the comments....the White Domkoppe has got a long way to go...you don't shake off 350years of white dominance in 30years....A big problem about many issues in SA is people lost their sence of thinking rationally...

    • @sengamemela3720
      @sengamemela3720 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Apartheid robbed black people of their identity...who they are...Fathers were removed from their families...Son and daughters lost who they are...lost self love ...lost self esteem...we need God..

    • @thembi9645
      @thembi9645 Před 10 měsíci

      Oh wow true, never looked at it this way haaz. Mmmmmhhh

  • @moagiletlala7330
    @moagiletlala7330 Před 10 měsíci +2

    What about African Creole term. ?

    • @EdwinaLondon
      @EdwinaLondon Před 9 měsíci +1

      I’d rather be called ‘Creole’ than ‘Coloured’

    • @Jahhhhh-jx8rw
      @Jahhhhh-jx8rw Před měsícem +1

      Creole is the french word for coloured

  • @inmythoughts718
    @inmythoughts718 Před měsícem +1

    I am lighter than both of these women, i am African American and identify as Black. Period. Please don't ever call me coloured.

    • @lucyjuicy2657
      @lucyjuicy2657 Před měsícem

      This topic does not concern you. Every country looks at race and culture differently. Coloured (South African) and Colored (American) is not the same thing neither is it the same culture. We don't do one drop rule in the rest of the world. In South Africa we don't deny any of our ethnicities. We respect where your perspective comes from, but after the colonizer decided to strip our identities, we took the word back and made it our own and created a language and culture out of it. So the topic was not about u, nor would we impose our believes and culture on u

  • @elroyswarts2337
    @elroyswarts2337 Před 3 měsíci

    I LOVE THESE TWO WOMEN. I wish they could debate the celebrity wannabe Samantha Jansen and put her in her place. She ridicules coloured people and throws our people under the bus to appease Pan Africanist afrocentric black supremacists and coloured hating black people. Some, if not most of us are mixed with blackness so blackness is very much a part of our family tree. That DOES NOT MEAN that we have to one drop rule ourselves out of existence and deny the fullness of our identity. I am COLOURED AND PROUD to be. Samantha Jansen wants to become a celebrity off of trashing our people. These 2 women give me hope for the future of COLOURED PEOPLE. Their VOICES NEED TO BE ELEVATED.

  • @maggiedavis3817
    @maggiedavis3817 Před 10 měsíci

    If it ain't one thing it's a nother it a crazy crazy world that's why I love dimples listen to the lirycs

  • @LM-rg9lj
    @LM-rg9lj Před 10 měsíci +3

    whats da difference between coloured and mix race? my child doesn't identify herself self coloured...intresting!!

    • @user-pr2pt5vm1j
      @user-pr2pt5vm1j Před 10 měsíci +3

      Cos it's about a culture..Trevor Noah is not coloured.

    • @sengamemela3720
      @sengamemela3720 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@user-pr2pt5vm1jTrevor Noah's father is Swiss , then Trevor is a Swiss man, Trevor's kids will be Swiss..how he looks...who he grew up with ...what language he speaks ...is not who he is..

    • @khaltsharivist365
      @khaltsharivist365 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@sengamemela3720his fathers nationality is Swiss but his ethno-cultural background is German to be exact. Trevor Noah is raised in a Xhosa household. There are many people who are raised in a single mother households and identify with the ethnic background of their mothers because that’s the culture they know… some like Trevor even carry their mother’s surname. These things are social constructs so they can be as complex or as simple as you want to make them.

    • @khaltsharivist365
      @khaltsharivist365 Před 10 měsíci

      @LM-rg9lj Identity is about how you feel and acceptance of the in-group. Bernie Mcathy for example is coloured but Pearl Thusi is not. In biological terms all human beings are of the same species. It’s a human race, there is no mixing of races.

    • @thembi9645
      @thembi9645 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@sengamemela3720That's not how things done in Xhosa culture darling, hes mixed and parents never got married that's why he follows Xhosa culture and customers. He must follow mothers Culture since parents never got married. He had to use dad's surname under the circumstances of Apartheid otherwise he'd be using mom's surname

  • @johnlakay5681
    @johnlakay5681 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I love the story the ladies bring home about our people, the coloured people. We are infact Afrikanders and as always the Afrikaners took uit the "d" and stole the word and calling of our people. Afrikanders is a collective word, inclusive of all the indigenous people, griekwa, misbieker, hottentot, nana, boesman and many others. Ons is aangename mense. Ons hoef ons nie te verduidelik nie.

  • @Clearskysofnight
    @Clearskysofnight Před měsícem +1

    She speaks of the young people music coming from Colored SA , the music is steep
    in Black American Hip Hop culture. Not the SA Colored culture

  • @HeyJuuude-05
    @HeyJuuude-05 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Why don’t coloured people speak Khoi?

    • @ronaldwiley8357
      @ronaldwiley8357 Před 5 měsíci

      as part of the slavery process, we were denied the right to speak our original languages. This was enforced by the ripping out of teeth with pliers , or cutting off of tongues, or simply whippings.

    • @HeyJuuude-05
      @HeyJuuude-05 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@ronaldwiley8357 “We don’t speak Khoi because it beaten out of us.”
      Or
      “We speak Afrikaans because it was beaten into us.”

  • @WilliamDampies
    @WilliamDampies Před měsícem +1

    Whoever trying to define a coloured in South Africa is most certainly a foreigner. The NP Party new coloured people. Likewise the ANC. Did this people in this country suddenly contract dementia over night. Let's ask the question who is the bantu people and where did they come from?

  • @akhonazasembo3016
    @akhonazasembo3016 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Let them be

  • @focus45554
    @focus45554 Před 10 měsíci +1

    How about we are African?

  • @listenup2882
    @listenup2882 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Why aren't Coloureds referred to as White or Asian?

    • @ronaldwiley8357
      @ronaldwiley8357 Před 5 měsíci

      because we are African.

    • @Zoomster-wu7if
      @Zoomster-wu7if Před 3 měsíci +1

      Because they are usually just Black people who don't want to identify as Black.

  • @starrstuart8585
    @starrstuart8585 Před 10 měsíci

    Im proudly coloured,,,i dont care how many times this "race " thing is debated,its just people's opinions anyway!!!
    Leave people alone,,,this has been debated to death and nothing has changed!!

    • @HeyJuuude-05
      @HeyJuuude-05 Před 7 měsíci

      Would you say that you are an “African”?

    • @imeldamayer-taylor2783
      @imeldamayer-taylor2783 Před 7 měsíci

      The problem is that many people do not know the definition of culture, ethnicity, race and sozialisation.

    • @imhotep1613
      @imhotep1613 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@imeldamayer-taylor2783 You didn't answer the previous question.
      WOULD YOU CALL YOURSELF AFRICAN ??
      😂
      By the way , is Coloured a race ? If it's a race I guess tour white masters created it because Before Europeans invaded Africa THERE WAS NO SUCH A THING AS COLOURED

    • @caylya7869
      @caylya7869 Před 2 měsíci

      The problem people don’t understand is that race is construct meaning it can be defined in many ways.

    • @Jahhhhh-jx8rw
      @Jahhhhh-jx8rw Před měsícem

      @@HeyJuuude-05 everyone born on the continent is African

  • @user-ks7bb8xx1d
    @user-ks7bb8xx1d Před 10 měsíci +7

    Why White South Africans appear less preoccupied with 'identity' and self-segregation within their 'white' community ? While divisions do exist among them, these divisions do not seem to occupy as much attention as the divisions within the Black community.
    This extended commentary respectfully challenges the narrative presented by the authors. The argument is flawed on so many levels. I shall limit myself to specific ways in which the authors are effectively defending colonial identity to safeguard the emotions and anxieties of white South Africa.
    Before delving deeper, let's acknowledge Stephen Groote's enthusiasm for this discussion, perhaps more fitting for another occasion, but still worthy of recognition and appreciation for his contributions.
    The celebration of diverse ethnic identities, like Zulu, Xhosa, Tswana, and the category of "Coloured," should be understood as deeply rooted in colonial constructs. Historically, the territories now called Africa lacked a pre-existing "Nation"; instead, they were inhabited by diverse communities. The notion of 'nations' is a modern construct tied to European capitalist expansion, both within and beyond Europe. Early European accounts consistently labeled those in African lands as non-white and, in many cases, non-human. Consequently, Africa was perceived as universally Black, subjected to a gaze often referred to as the White gaze, which compartmentalized its inhabitants. With the advent of slavery and colonialism, Africa was formally incorporated into Europe's dominion, a condition that persists in various forms today.
    To fully grasp the enduring influence of settler colonial power, it's essential to consider the regionalization of Blackness, particularly in the South African context. To do this, we must briefly delve into the historical roots of identity in SOuth Africa. Identity, as we know it today, traces its origins back to the early era of settler colonialism by British and Dutch, German, and French immigrants collectively known as Afrikaners. Essentially, there was no South Africa prior to the onset of settler colonialism; these lands were predominantly inhabited by people seen through the White gaze as non-white or Black. These European groups vied for control over both people and lands, stratifying them based on identity, thus giving rise to various labels and so-called "ethnic" identities.
    In 1910, they officially established SOuth Africa as a "nation-state," notably excluding Black participation. For instance, one of the key figures in shaping the South African identity, Jan Smuts, in letters to his colleagues before and after the 1910 union, was primarily concerned with the 'Native,' a euphemism for Black individuals. Subsequently, methods were developed to distinguish Black people based on the regions they inhabited. Opportunistic figures like Mr. Buthelezi later claimed demarcated regions like “Kwazulu-Natal” as “Zulu” homelands, relinquishing the broader claim to Blackness in favor of tribal identities. This maneuver helped maintain power while fragmenting the discourse of Blackness and the struggle for place and belonging. Buthelezi accomplished this, and to this day, there are Zulu-speaking South Africans who primarily identify as Zulus (rather than Zulu-speaking individuals), relegating their Blackness to a secondary status.
    Interestingly; Globally, these individuals predominantly identify as Black first. It is at this level that I believe by proclaiming identity outside of Black and simply use Black as a so called "political identity" is particularly telling in SOuth Africa. This cannot be dissociated from the settler colonial present of SOuth Africa. In my view, the label "Coloured" including all other so called "ethnic" identities (outside of European) is applied in South Africa to manage the anxieties of white South Africans concerning potential loss of claims to South Africa and identity.
    It is disheartening to witness colleagues staunchly upholding a problematic concept of identity. For instance, they say; Trevor Noah is often referred to as "Coloured" due to his mixed racial heritage - and they reject Trevor's identity as coloured. This is confusing. Ideally, globally, the meaning of coloured is mix-ed. Trevor could then say he is politically Black - but either way, Trevor is in fact coloured. If coloured then is simply culture - why should it be the major identifying feature before one's Blackness. Think about Bishop Alan Boesak - although considered Coloured, the Bishop, in fact is Black. He identifies as Black.
    Again, the point here is; Engaging in a culture labelled as "Coloured" may involve practicing certain cultural traditions, but it should not obscure one's fundamental identity, which remains Black. This situation highlights an invented interpretation of "Coloured" in South Africa, which can lead to confusion. By historicizing this concept and relying on writings that safeguard certain emotions and interests, we risk perpetuating divided Black unity in the face of neo-colonialism.
    The two writers frequently draw comparisons between the Zulu identity and the need to defend the Coloured identity. However, this argument lacks the historical nuance that demands not just reading, but critical, self-reflective reading, as mentioned earlier. The term "Coloured" has historically been employed to differentiate Blackness, much like the label "Zulu." Nevertheless, it's imperative to acknowledge that there is no singular entity known as "Zulu"; instead, there are various Zulu-speaking communities. While categorizing Blackness can provide informative insights, it also perpetuates division, aligning with settler colonial logic. Therefore, it is crucial to reject the label "Coloured" and reaffirm Blackness. Some individuals may use "Coloured" to avoid the term "Khoi," which is sometimes seen as derogatory. Similarly, some "Coloured" people who are, in fact, "Khoi" sometimes reject that label, highlighting the complexity of identity within South Africa.
    The concept of being "politically Black" and referencing Steve Biko is often invoked but not always deeply understood. Sometimes, it is used to avoid the label "Black" as if it's an undesired identity. However, Steve Biko never called for the provincialization of Blackness in South Africa. In fact, Biko commented on the attitudes of certain "Coloured" and Indian comrades who were hesitant to fully embrace Black identity. A recommended read is Mabogo More's book "Biko: Philosophy, Identity, and Liberation," which delves into Biko's less-quoted writings about the debates surrounding Black identity among the oppressed.
    One thing that becomes evident here is a resistance to embracing Blackness as an identity and a problematic leaning on being "politically Black." This is an avoidance of Blackness and an attempt to further fragment Blackness.
    It's worth noting that any attempts to fragment Blackness in South Africa, the United States, the United Kingdom, and other places often follow a logic that divides the oppressed based on labels and labeling methods that overlook historical context. Consider, for instance, the group commonly referred to as "Khoi," who are now increasingly viewed as "First Nation." This discourse seems to replicate settler colonial histories from the Americas and Australia, where indigenous populations were subjected to genocide. What it suggests effectively is that; SA is, in fact, a 'nation-state' - even a State. It suggests that South Africa (new colony) is, in fact, outside of Africa. It divides Blacks according to "Nguni" "Khoi," etc. - for the fun and comfort of the settlers. They lie to themselves that some came from up North and 'found' "others" down south - to confuse all of us. Africans had been criss-crossing the continent for thousands of years. No. Africa is historically a Black women's world - it has always been. It has produced different shades of Black that were classified by the divisive onlooker whose intentions were to "stay" and occupy the Place. The idea of "First nation" is deeply problematic and extremely colonial and uncritical. We must read the history, including the archaeological and anthropological work about 'Africa,' with a serious critical lens. Why is it that we never hear about the different shades of Europeans? We know about the Jewish people and how they were racialized - but we never hear much about the different shades of Europeans, especially the so-called "First nations" - I wonder why.
    To address the initial question of why white South Africans do not seem preoccupied with creating separate identities, one must consider that, for the maintenance of the settler colonial context in Africa, this notion of "nobody's land" must persist. This land, which was subject to slavery and colonialism, needs to remain undefined. Self-identifying as "Coloured" isn't inherently problematic; however, advocating that this culture should be one's primary identity as "Coloured" before acknowledging one's Blackness suggests a reluctance to embrace one's true identity, which is Black. The authors' logic appears to echo the older concept of fetishizing Blackness, as opposed to recognizing the diverse cultural elements within the Black identity. It's crucial to place "Coloured" within the broader context of cultural richness. Some individuals may be culturally "Coloured" while still identifying as Black. This distinction, while seemingly similar to the authors' argument, underscores a shift away from provincializing Blackness within the South African context. Such provincialization caters to white anxieties and settler colonialism, ultimately hindering the progress of Black people.

    • @tumimoroe1423
      @tumimoroe1423 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Well said

    • @MKL_D
      @MKL_D Před 10 měsíci +3

      They do in their corners. Hence we have orania, it's not for all white people. Russian is another example.

    • @HeyJuuude-05
      @HeyJuuude-05 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Bro, do you have a Substack? I would love to read your writings on a regular basis.

  • @gregvdm9434
    @gregvdm9434 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The people who defend the coloured tag did not fight for freedom The original name of coloureds are Oorlams Afrikaners

    • @ronaldwiley8357
      @ronaldwiley8357 Před 5 měsíci

      keep your bigotry to yourself, "Oorlams" means lazy/stupid.

  • @user-yp9ls1vs7l
    @user-yp9ls1vs7l Před 3 měsíci

    I am a white African, born in Zambia. 100 000 years ago my ancestors migrated from south Africa up Africa, into Europe and finally north Europe. When they started their nomadic migration they where the colour of the khoi people of 🇿🇦. As they progressed north to the equator the became darker and their bodies changed to compensate for various reasons. As they headed further north their skin became pale until they got to northern Europe where not only were they white, but they had more hair to keep them warm, due to the cold. If my white family live in Africa for 100 000 years, they will be black. If a black mans family live in northern Europe for 100 000 years they will be white and hairy. That's the only difference between you and I.

    • @jubilee203
      @jubilee203 Před 3 měsíci

      There is also the Neanderthal admixture that introduced the white skin genes to white people. Not by just traveling from south to north.

  • @rosinamogano9545
    @rosinamogano9545 Před 10 měsíci

    Can we work hard on understating ourselves,before you go and try to understand someone else.

  • @kheprineteru4990
    @kheprineteru4990 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I am good on all the false labels Europeans put on African. I am not black or colored, I am African my ethnic groups Amhara and Igbo. My nationality is USA citizen.

  • @cheslincarolus463
    @cheslincarolus463 Před měsícem +1

    Fact is it was created because they wanted us 2 forget or leave behind xhosa zulu khosan venda and so on and become like them and thr customs that was the whole intent thats what the managed to do with the americans lets not get it twisted you are your fathers child at the end and most of us gave up on that because we became opressed thats why alot of black people also changed thr last names to fit in because our cultures were not accepted by our oppressors

  • @Reflectivesource
    @Reflectivesource Před 2 měsíci +1

    Black or colored. We never named ourselves. This is just word play . Its a colonial joke.its based on interacial relationships not culture.Theres mixed children worldwide with all soughts of cultures infused because of it but its not complicated.

  • @siyamanci2596
    @siyamanci2596 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Well said, coloured people must not detach themselves from blacks, for they have black heritage

  • @nelsonseoma6267
    @nelsonseoma6267 Před 10 měsíci

    STREET NAMES ARE CHANGED,LETS ALL SAs CALL EACH OTHER, i.e. GAZI,DIAMOND,MPINJI, ETC,BUDDY..

  • @Clearskysofnight
    @Clearskysofnight Před měsícem

    All over the world people will try to find away not to identified as Black , as if saying call me anything as Black

    • @db6881
      @db6881 Před měsícem

      Black is an American identity and typical Americans always trying to shove their bs down the rest of the world's throat.

  • @MKL_D
    @MKL_D Před 10 měsíci +5

    I know some who wouldn't like to be called black.

    • @lilianhaggland2031
      @lilianhaggland2031 Před 9 měsíci +3

      But we not black

    • @MKL_D
      @MKL_D Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@lilianhaggland2031 rather say, I am not black.

    • @imhotep1613
      @imhotep1613 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@lilianhaggland2031😂😂who even care that you are not black.
      Before your European ancestors invaded Africa ,we Indigenous african were all just africans. There was no such a mess as coloured .
      You guys are a manufacturered product made by Europeans

    • @ronaldwiley8357
      @ronaldwiley8357 Před 5 měsíci

      and I know many who would not like to be called White, Indian or Asian.

    • @MKL_D
      @MKL_D Před 5 měsíci

      @@lilianhaggland2031 but some say that they are black.

  • @dandylion188
    @dandylion188 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Or did culture become classification? Also, Why do they consider themselves "politically Black", when the ANC is discriminating against them with AA & BEE?

    • @comrade9374
      @comrade9374 Před 10 měsíci +1

      When it suits them

    • @tech_tm3874
      @tech_tm3874 Před 4 měsíci

      They never want to claim being black, unless it suits them. I could never mistake them for non-black
      If our stuggles are categorised, and our race is separated we can't claim where we see fit
      If one speaks of their original race(khoisan), why not reclaim it

  • @Xolani-dq8pz
    @Xolani-dq8pz Před 10 měsíci +6

    This ones are confused yaz

    • @user-pr2pt5vm1j
      @user-pr2pt5vm1j Před 10 měsíci +4

      😮😮confused. But you deny us the agency to define who we want to identify as.

  • @livingsimply68
    @livingsimply68 Před 10 měsíci +8

    I don't appreciate the word "coloured" either.. it's an apartheid terminology 😞

  • @top-gnews8333
    @top-gnews8333 Před 10 měsíci +9

    U don't wanna speak Zulu, they don't wanna speak khoi khoi or Xhosa etc. ..

    • @caesar3909
      @caesar3909 Před 9 měsíci

      There are plenty of coloureds who speak those languages. You don't know any because the world does not revolve around you.

  • @unpunishedguilt8052
    @unpunishedguilt8052 Před 9 měsíci

    octoroon

  • @lnyawilliamsmoorell5061
    @lnyawilliamsmoorell5061 Před 2 měsíci

    The term black is a social construct status meaning nonexistent or dead under the black codes color of law(Civility Mortuus)and has no legal standing. Black is a color not a race or ethnicity or nationality.
    (Matt 24:3,14,42,44; Rev 7:9,10)

  • @sizwemweli7862
    @sizwemweli7862 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Misconception.

  • @Dinuzulu1879
    @Dinuzulu1879 Před 10 měsíci

    What is coloured 😅

  • @top-gnews8333
    @top-gnews8333 Před 10 měsíci +5

    There is ni race called coloured this us funny this people are black just lighter skin

    • @lilianhaggland2031
      @lilianhaggland2031 Před 9 měsíci +2

      We coloured

    • @myvlog5112
      @myvlog5112 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Coloured people are mixed and not every coloured has black inside of them.

    • @myvlog5112
      @myvlog5112 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Coloured people are mixed and not every coloured has black inside of them.

    • @tech_tm3874
      @tech_tm3874 Před 4 měsíci

      They say they are khoisan, and different from mixed.
      How do I see black to the ambiguous people with an accent? (question; do khoisan sound black when they speak English? Sounds like it)

    • @caylya7869
      @caylya7869 Před 2 měsíci

      @@tech_tm3874There is no sounding black. Khoisan are actually have vastly different experiences from black people. Blackness is a construct based on skin color which is why Khoisan with lighter skin when discovered by colonist weren’t considered such, also there facial features as well. That’s why Khoisan aren’t viewed as such because of history of not really having that label.

  • @elizabethandrsu369
    @elizabethandrsu369 Před 10 měsíci +2

    On this earth is black and white. ALthough these colours dont exactly refer to human beings.What is it with red indians? I Will never like to be called a coloured.If I am not white then l am black I will rather
    accept my self to be called black. IF one of my parent is white another one black then I am a mixed child it is apity I belong to both, Black and awhite .Where am l now going to be put , by none Whites or none Blacks?. lwill choose to be called aSouthAfrican. (never mind which direction but just look where l was born.. THe country where l was born is SouthAfrica and l am a SouthAfrican. l would belong to all the traditions of the country .. OFCOURSE l have my name if you want to call me.

    • @khaltsharivist365
      @khaltsharivist365 Před 10 měsíci

      Which part of your anatomy is black or white? When you did colours in nursery and primary school does it compute? When people of different skin tones wear nude colours, what colours are they wearing? Interesting never black or white.

  • @user-yy8zu6to8u
    @user-yy8zu6to8u Před 10 měsíci +1

    Aaaaag this is boring, This is just a BOOK selling Campaign

  • @_MotivationManifesto
    @_MotivationManifesto Před 10 měsíci +3

    Blackness is a sign of oppression. 😂 ohh my skin colour, how did we get here?

  • @bee-sting
    @bee-sting Před 3 měsíci +1

    The coloureds on Cape town are ... omg😂😂😂😂

  • @pietmuskiet5586
    @pietmuskiet5586 Před 10 měsíci

    Do they eat birds? I mean crows,sorry budgies, sorry i mean chicken, i mean ostrich............?
    You are what you are!!!!

  • @zenzilekhoisan3271
    @zenzilekhoisan3271 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Stop messing with colonial identity.

  • @trudycarmichael6050
    @trudycarmichael6050 Před 10 měsíci

    I am a colored from Swaziland, we are such a beautiful, diverse culture, our white faces, straight noses, or flat and wiry hair.
    We are not complaining, can the media not make a story out of this for clicks

    • @myvlog5112
      @myvlog5112 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Every coloured knows that not all coloured people looks the same. With that comment alone your not one.

  • @marisasalbego1321
    @marisasalbego1321 Před 7 dny

    Always worried about the past and being oppressed we will never move forward.