Norman Finkelstein and Chris Hedges discuss Israel, Gaza, Oct. 7 at Princeton
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I am Asian and I don’t have any religion. But I have been crying for Palestinians in the past 6 months 😭😭😭😭 The whole world sees the genocide of Palestinians by Israel unconditionally backed by USA! 😡😡😡😡 Despite all the global protests, ICJ rulings and UN resolutions, I don’t see an end to this genocide soon! Guys and state representatives, please don’t stop this long fight and I’ll continue my support for Palestinians in CZcams. The only thing I can do for Palestine! Salute these two great speakers!!!
And we are forced to pay for it with extreme inflation! 😖
Hey! Your feelings are shared by many people here.
I would like to provide some historical perspective that may help situate our shared concerns. The perspective that I am about to provide is not an excuse, but rather a plea for remaining vigilant. My country was involved in a war with Vietnam for 10 years. During that time period, thousands were drafted, particularly from poor and historically marginalized communities to go fight the Vietcong. Many more thousands of Vietnamese were bombed into oblivion. There were so many protests here against the war. It made us question who we were as Americans and what we believed about the idea of , "stopping communism". Stopping our participation in that war took ten years. Ten years.
This conflict could take even more time, especially because it's not a war in the legal sense. I am sharing this because psychologically and spiritually these kind of traumas on the world have a wounding effect that goes beyond the sorrow of the pictures and the headlines. We are all digitally witnessing plausible genocide. None of us were prepared to see the innocents die such sadistic painful deaths in real time.
Our feelings of fecklessness are wounds that try the heart, test friendships, take employment, and steal bread from your mouth. If you speak to what you see, you are silenced.
What do we do?
Partly, we do what we're doing right now; we write with the hope that others are not silenced by the theeat of speaking the truth. Perhaps it is the satiflsfaction of knowing that those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it and we are like the etymology of the word, Jeremiad, writing in the comments section hoping our shared concerns for doom become a real opportunity to rectify what we all portend? Perhaps acknowledging the historical or studying it, girds us spiritually for what could be a long fight for justice? Knowing our shared global interactions as citizens of the world motivates us all to be good students of our past so as to bring a peaceful future for all?
I am with you, as are millions of others. You're not alone...study hard.
my wish is that Dr Finklestein lives to see the day that the palesinians are liberated in Israel.
Hate to say it but keep wishing. I'm 40 and I doubt I'll see it at this point
@@Nick_CF Technically they already are liberated in Israel they're just not liberated in Palestine.
@@fifteenbyfive lol by liberated you mean being third class citizens in an apartheid state?
@@CFX992Arab Israelis live equally as the Jews: access to education at all levels, quality healthcare and jobs at all levels. Not what I saw in a documentary, but I know it. So go back and review your source, Mr. Lol.
@@CFX992 Well we DON'T know the PLAN of GOD ALL Mighty....coz a people who oppressed others...DON'T live very long
Great discussion! I'm with Finkelstein 100%... Or in other words: I am Jewish and I approve this message!
This video was excellent all the way through. In the end, the energy, applause, and genuine disappointment that it had to end, coming from these young people, were very encouraging to me. I am 73 years old.
This 55 year old guy feels the same as you do, I hope someday we see truthful peace
So many more reasons why billionaires should not be allowed to fund elections.
Yep, they're funding their own wishes.
Just about any rule you put on billionaires funding elections will not keep the currently politically connected out of politics, but their rivals.
If campaign contributions are limited, you can buy newspapers, news/media outlets, sponsor events/positions in higher Ed (ect). But if someone who is opposed to the current political elite donates in an improper manner or amount, the book will be thrown at them
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Public money only in elections, no private money - this would help!@@huntermarkson7766
The Supreme Court must revisit its 2010 Citizens United Decision - which allowed unlimited funding of elections by High Finance. Then again, this would be too late for 2024! @@AlleLamb
No one better than Dr Norman Finkelstein in the US to be invited today, with his integrity, honorable, truthful facts, studies and research on Gaza besides that he lived in the west bank witnessing how the Israeli military occupation oppressed, humiliated, dehumanized Palestinian People. Thank you both for standing by the right side of humanity and stand by Justice for Palestinians in Gaza.
dr. gabon matte is great too
Chris is no slouch
This is the man (Mr Finkelstein) who wrote in Twitter: ....."it warms every fibres of my soul....." referring the horrendous-monstrosities of the 7 October. And on a Candace Owens programme titled “Israel vs. Palestine with Norman Finkelstein” he said on great length how horrendous and miserable is for a mother who is about to give birth not to have facilities in a hospital because Israel's bombardment. My opinion: It has to be something terrible wrong in Norman’s faculties.
@@olgam601 he later explained why he made those comments and said he condemned the Oct 7th atrocities
@@olgam601 NO SOUL NOT EVEN WHERE HE SITS
Norman truly nailed it about the double standard of when international law applies. Anyone who asks - “do you condemn the acts of Oct 7th?” must be asked in turn - “is there an International law or principle you have supported and employed for the last few decades when Israel commits its crimes?”
If the answer is no, then who are they to moralize about principles and demand any endorsement of standards? They believe in nothing but the theft of land by any means necessary, and rationalize the absolute worst war crimes and barbarism imaginebale.
Look up (on other platforms) and read "The Hidden Tyranny" an interview with insider Harold Wallace Rosenthal in 1976.
He was reverse alived less than a month later for what he told.
This was a wonderful experience. Thank you Norman Finkelstein and Chris Hedges. You are heroes.
Norm and Chris will be on the right side of HISTORY !!!!
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Always have been
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
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Norman Finkelstien and Chris Hedges are amazing! Thank you so much for having them! ❤❤❤
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
NOBEL PRICE
I would undoubtedly award the Nobel Prize for History to ILAN PAPPE and NORMAN FINKELSTEIN.
They are and were the fact-oriented sources on how to understand the Middle East conflict.
The world has a right to the truth, so their work deserves special recognition at this difficult time.
Nobel Prize for NORMAN and ILAN
Pulizer Prize for GIDEON LEVY
Chis and Norman are not amazing. They are simply decent 😊
@@MichaelJoseph-id2lc and fing smart and brave.
The Netherlands has NOT stopped their arms sales to Israel despite their courts ruling that it was against the law.
Very good speech from Norman Finkelstein about the situation in Gaza, in Israel and in the Middle East.
Outstanding to see the two most brilliant and humane people in the world together today - we love you Norm and Chris !
I'm honored to have been at this event! I respect the intelligence in the narrative of the speakers. Hopefully times of change are coming,
How lucky u were
@@abdimohamed8640How lucky we all are to have at leisure access to this anyway from just about anywhere on the planet.
Change is inevitable, for better or worse depends on our shared humanity or lack thereof.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
Yes ssssss
Grateful to have attended this at Princeton last week. Listening to these two icons will always be remembered. Much respect. The audience was a joy to be with as well. 🍉
You were fortunate to have had that opportunity.
why? they are both nuts
I'm grateful you had the opportunity to attend as well, but really folks......really? Do you actually need to hear it from a Phd. in order to a arrive at, and comprehend the same moral conclusions???
So sad I miss this attendance because I didn't get to meet you
@@darenlhoenyk5780
Does everyone under 20 understand the history behind Oct. 7th. I ask because you obviously do not.
ormaybeyoureonlyarobocop
I only had 5 family members and theyre all dead. I miss them as you can imagine but i cannot fathom the depths of the pain and despair felt by that poor man who hast lost 46 members of his family who endured the most cruel end, abandoned to face the American war product in the hands of the zionists. To face death by air land and sea. By f16 and cruise missile and starvation.
Blame Hamas.
Sorry but im not buying it.
@@mikeg2306 right after your blame israel for oct 7 and the holocauste
@@MrWiseGuy1974 Blame israel for the holocaust? huh.
@@Trickey2413 it is just like blaling hamas for what is going on in Gaza, HUH...
Chris is just as knowledgeable as norman when it comes to Palestine
His speeches are so well put together .
Agreed the man is legendary!
True. But Chris defers to Norman as a good scholar and researcher would do.
Chris Hedges and Norman Finkelstein are not only inspiring by their moral integrity but are exemplar in how to calibrate the truth
it's an odd prospect for me to argue for the relative ignorance of Chris Hedges, one of the most learned men of our time, probably of anytime; but it's unnecessary as well as foolish to say he knows as much about Palestine as Norman Finkelstein, who has been singularly focused on the conflict for the past few decades and written a number of extremely rigorous, if not uniquely scrupulous, books on the subject. He has read AND studied thousands of pages of human rights records meticulously and synthesised them in his works. And this is without touching the legal texts, court documents, political and historical works he has studied and mastered. I have read many many of Chris Hedges' articles and continue to read them, starting from the Truthdigg days to the Common Dreams platform articles to the Scheer Post material and his Substack posts currently. I have read two of Chris' books and all of Norman's books, except the latest 'I'll burn that bridge....' which I started reading but stopped after Oct 7 incident and now re-reading all of Norman's previous books. Chris is obviously very knowledgeable on the subject - perhaps more than most other public intellectuals. Chris also remains one of the most important moral voices on whom I and thousands others rely on for clarity and enhancing understanding of world affairs. But it's foolish to compare Chris' knowledge on Palestine to Norman's.
They both have an internal metric for judging what is true - unlike those on Morning Joe!@@albertbrandenburg720
Norman we are proud of you for defending the palestinos!
NOBEL PRICE
I would undoubtedly award the Nobel Prize for History to ILAN PAPPE and NORMAN FINKELSTEIN.
They are and were the fact-oriented sources on how to understand the Middle East conflict.
The world has a right to the truth, so their work deserves special recognition at this difficult time.
Nobel Prize for NORMAN and ILAN
Pulizer Prize for GIDEON LEVY
Economic development via the Oasis Plan of Shimon Peres - is key to an enduring peace for all sovereign States in the region! @@vaclavkubicek2970
In all honesty, this is one of the greatest talk I've ever seen. I was moved profoundly at many portions of this discussion. Thank you very much to the organizers and, most of all, the speakers.
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. TRULY. THE DEPTH. THE HONESTY. THE ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. Also, big love to the Houthis for standing up for what is right. Big love to Jewish people worldwide who are bravely standing up for what is right.
The audience member who pointed out the actions the Houthis are engaged in is the best example of supporting the fight against genocide. Notice that Norm and Chris were smart enough to let these profound comments stand on their own! Thank you all for putting this event on.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300.
2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138.
2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
@@mznxbcv12345 I wish I could copy and past your post.
@@mznxbcv12345"himmaliar" I'm borrowing that one 😅
Very strange how the world witnesses crimes without reacting. Palestinian civilians are used as shields. Cameras are strapped to their bodies and they are sent to explore buildings. If the building is boobytrapped the civilian dies, if not he is killed after he comes back and that in order to leave no witness. Horrendous crime.
@@qtsmlearning Why you cannot?
" The World's Most Documented Genocide in History. "
Makes it all the worse. That we watched, and understood.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If policies of Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc are repeated
- Doesn't amount to Holocaust?
Dare say that is an unsubstantiated cliché, as the documentation of the N*z* genocide against God's chosen people, collected over the last 70+ years, is beyond compare.
@@castelodeossos3947most of the data was compiled after the fact. That’s not to say the Germans didn’t have their own classified documentation.
But this is public and being recorded in real time.
@@mochapella We watch, we understand + we protest ✊
And we call + email our legislators every single day 📱
Norman you bring peace to our hearts so softly and well spoken
Thank you sir
Instead of "do you condemn Hamas for Oct 7"
the question should be,
"Do you condemn Israel's treatment of the Palestinians for the past 75 years?"
That's the real question.
How should Israel treat them, while Hamas was spending all the donated money in tunnels? That’s demanding a bit too much from Israel, don’t you think so? Since 2005 that Israel left them on their own, and just look what happened? The can’t feed themselves!
Where were the Palestinians, when the Romans conquered Judea ? Did they fight for their land ?? I'll wait.
@@robocop4209read some history , like Schlomo Sand .
Just as likely today’s
“ Palestinians “ were Jews who stayed put in the region and converted to Christianity and Islam over time .
Those migrating in the last 100 years are just as likely converts to Judaism from what is now
Persia , Eastern Europe , North Africa .
Frankly from my POV , arguing over ancient history and DNA is a waste of time .
Dealing with reality in the 21st century , how about we say religious states are inherently un democratic and have no place in the future .
One secular state with equal rights for all , right of return for displaced Palestinians or Jews.
Israel is a jew country
Pakistan islamic
Europe christian, etc...
Dr. Spencer Wells demolished all arguments around the notion of so called chosen people.
Dr Finkelstein is a very intelligent person and beautiful soul! May he be protected!😢
Two truthful men with moral and integrity. ❤ Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
I absolutely love it.
Two of the most wonderful human beings alive, Chris Hedges and Norman Finkelstein. Love this discussion. God bless you all. Keep speaking out and protesting. I am with you always. Let’s keep going. Free Free Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Congo and the entire world from this violent white supremacy and oppression.
Chris Hedges is right that situation in Gaza is much worse than the official numbers of Palestinian victims and Palestinian wounded.
I always feel so much better after listening to Dr Finklestein, he restores my faith in humanity, he grounds me and gives me courage. Thank you .
welcome to 2002
I too feel the same way. It just shows how important the work of Norm Finklestien and others is.
Really? Just listening to his bla, bla you feel much courage, etc? I feel sorry for you. Actions speak louder than words.
And he's right! 🙂💯👍
This is a recent video.
"We told you so, we told you so. When you treat people like that..."
This time israel got its lawn mowed
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
@@ashley264 Like by Assyria Babylon and Rome there will be a fourth exile. Genocide is a no no!
@ashley, that's why no one wanted Isreal after WWII. Thieves
@@ashley264Refugees are very expensive, as we are finding out in the USA, and Egypt is even broker than us.
I'm grateful that there's someone like Norman Finkelstein who thinks like me and has the knowledge and platform to explain to the masses, or even the whole world, what actually happens between Palestine and Israel. Otherwise, we would all be subjected to the media and the Israeli lobby's ideas that Israel is solely fighting terrorism.
Thank you
Norman Filkestein❤
Norman, "give the Noble prize to the doctors in Gaza, South Africa, and the Houthis"
What an outstanding statement, especially the Houthis.
Who will hold the U.S. administration responsible for violating so many of our own laws in this situation?!
In Europe/ Britan there is a 80k member movement to put their taxes in escrow and NOT to a govt participating in genocidal massacres.
Good question, my fear is that US admin is so blind and governed by Israel that haven't notice that the Global South is raising fast and US is in decline (the dollar is not used for trading in many countries just an example) only mass immigration seems to be in the increase. The world is upsidown!
The two God send men to save
humanity! God bless you both🙏You are on the right side of history. Keep up the good job 👏👍👌❤️🏅🥇
I like these guys a lot. I buy their books and read them. But I think we need to make some distinction between those who describe things and those who take action and risk themselves.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
We need action no more talk! even Gutierrez talked, the world talked, journalists talked, activists talked, ICJ talked yet no ACTION!
We need to know history/context. When we just ‘take action’ we become animals
We must keep the protests in the streets.the boycott, explain to people what is happening and the history of the colonization of Palestine by the Zionists and support concrete actions, especially that of code pink and others on the delivery of war planes and other military equipment.
What action do you suggest?
@@wizzyno1566 ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. The world can do it. Russia has thousands and thousands of sanctions put on them. Israel has very few, if any. You ruin their economy, all those dual citizen settlers will leave with their own legs and they will have no choice but to change what they are doing.
@@wizzyno1566 UN Peace keeper deployment?
Very good, informative and interested debate, and above all two VERY important voices. Finkelstein and Hedges has all my respect for their honesty and courage.
Thank you Mr. Finkelstein and Mr. Hedges!
Greetings from Egypt 💚
Free Palestine ✌
THESE MEN ARE ABSOLUTE TITANS AMONG MEN. THANK YOU, PROFESSOR FINKELSTEIN AND MR HEDGES.
The use of the capital letters doesn't make the comment any less dumb
Your use of capital and small letters doesn’t make you correct.
@@halifaxeh but the fact that Israel always wins and jihadists always lose does
@@halifaxeh DOES TOO
Yes, please, love Prof.Finkelstien.
Amazing by both of them. We must also keep getting the truth out! Protest and write to your leaders non stop!!
Thank you for featuring 2 of my favorite intellectuals, Professor Norm Finkelstein and Professor Chris Hedges. Both of these men are phenomenal.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
Two Giants ! Two Heroes!
You are our hope and light!
This was a wonderful conversation well worth every minute of my time and I thank both speakers and all of those who participated behind the Sean to bring this to CZcams Great job.
Respect and appreciation for you together Norman and Chris they tireless about the truth about what is going on in Palestine at the moment for example the catastrophic situation they are in and not only that but also about the precise history of this country that the most of us didn't even know, i can only say hats off to them both Men's.
God bless you and your family.
Thank you again for that.
Norm is a man of integrity, one of the few SJW.
Very sorry, to equate the fight for so-called social justice with criticism of Israel's crimes is to trivialise those crimes, and to cheapen Dr Finkelstein's cause, his commitment, and the sacrifices he has made for the cause.
@@castelodeossos3947
Seriously?
Being a Social Justice warrior is the most honorable thing anyone can do, and you have not articulated how fighting for civil rights could
Ever be beneath this distinguished gentleman.
He is one of he very few academics with integrity enough to speak truth to power, and to demean praise of him impugns the context
Of such self sacrifice..
So much integrity to side with Putin and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, truly a champion of human rights and social justice all around the world
NOBEL PRICE
I would undoubtedly award the Nobel Prize for History to ILAN PAPPE and NORMAN FINKELSTEIN.
They are and were the fact-oriented sources on how to understand the Middle East conflict.
The world has a right to the truth, so their work deserves special recognition at this difficult time.
Nobel Prize for NORMAN and ILAN
Pulizer Prize for GIDEON LEVY
@@vaclavkubicek2970 Good idea but, alas, no Nobel Prize for History. Winston Churchill won the prize for literature for his tome 'The Second World War' as well as for his speeches, but it was for their literary quality that he was given the prize. He himself had wished he would win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Two of our worlds best : Norman Finkelstein and Chris Hedges
My profound respect to these two gentlemen! Thank you! ❤️🇵🇸✌️✊
What makes Dr. Norman so much favorable to people is the way he speaks... I'm one of them and I admire your way speaking up like this.
You're such a gem Sir !
Chris Hedges and Norman Finkelstein: Two great champions for Palestinians! ❤
Two great champions of humanity . ❤
two great champions of humanity.
Spot ON! Excellent Comment! Vocal Spoke Persons for the Very Root and Very Best Off of What(?) it Means(?) to be Conscious HUMAN! Divinity at is Finest Courtesy of the Fading First Amendment. Thanks!@@vilmathomas5158
That's not saying much . Disgrace
@@vilmathomas5158 Satan
Norman at his best❤. The world needs his careful analyses. Thank you Norman!
Thanks form my ❤ for this very important and excellent discussion🙏🏻🌹I respect you both so much and it is so necessary to have people like you both are in our sad world🙏🏻🇵🇸
Thank you, this was so informative of the madness of this genocide.
Free Palestinian💝
Love both of them. History will remember their dedications and sacrifices to Free Palestine.
Yay!!! My favorite scholars ~ Professor Finkelstein 🙏🏼🍉 & Christopher Hedges 🕊️🙏🏼 Free Palestine!!! 🙏🏼🕊️🍉🍉🕊️🙏🏼
NOBEL PRICE
I would undoubtedly award the Nobel Prize for History to ILAN PAPPE and NORMAN FINKELSTEIN.
They are and were the fact-oriented sources on how to understand the Middle East conflict.
The world has a right to the truth, so their work deserves special recognition at this difficult time.
Nobel Prize for NORMAN and ILAN
Pulizer Prize for GIDEON LEVY
what does the watermelon emojii stand for?
@@kupper123 symbolic of the shape of Palestine
"scholars"
@@hmmmmmmminteresting not sure what you mean by your comment but anyone who studies a foreign topic, or any topic for that matter, for decades is a scholar in my mind. These men ain’t no spring chickens.
Thank you for your humanity and solidarity 💔
nothing but respect for Norman and Chris
Thank you Norman and Chris both we have the respect and salutes ❤
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
Huge respect for both Norman Finkelstien and Chris Hedges.
Wanting the Israeli state to end genocide and ethnic cleansing is not anti-semitic.
But ethnic cleansing and the mass cessation of Judea's enemies has always been a foundational aspect of Judaism.
Have you even bothered to read the contents of their Torah and Talmud?
@@pianoandguitarlover2773the talmud and "oral torah" are so contrary to the written Torah, they literally break every single commandment.
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@@pianoandguitarlover2773 don't confuse the Torah with talmud, they are opposites. Oral torah is bunk& that's what talmudic Jews go by
@@pianoandguitarlover2773 precisely, the old testament is an instruction manual for genocide and what happens to the genocidal when they dont carry out the orders of their evil genocidal god.
Thank you Norman and Chris voices of just and human rights.
Norman Finkelstein and Chris Hedges are amazing human beings. Their integrity and courage are very inspiring
Thank you Hedges and Finkelstein ❤
Two of the most valued, important, and respected public intellectuals in the world.
this was never a war , furious here in UK HOW CAN THEY get away with this ? Dr Finkelstein is a total legend and well appreciated to see him as always on the right side
Love these two. If I were back in Manhattan, I would drop off a lovely meal to Norman. He’s doing so much for this cause, basically of trying to educate as many people as possible. He was first person I heard speaking on October 7. Or, 8th.
We need brave governments to join together and stop this carnage in Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Thank you.
Please see my comment saying exactly what you are saying.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
I just filled out a wrong number on my Tax form. Like many others on TikTok I'm not paying for this. What are they going to do? I'd like to see the government dragging all of us to court for not paying for a genocide. They don't tax the rich and the homeless, middle class is paying for this genocide. Boycott the government. Money is the best way to protest.
More than bravery is principle!
what a powerful and fierce evening of two Truth sayers. illuminating, inspiring, and calming.
TThat was an amazing conversation thank you so much to all for making it happen ❤
These Two Great Men together, discussing the issue of greatest importance currently is marvelous. We are fortunate to live in a time of such instant and easy communication! ❤#NormanFinkelstein #ChrisHedges
#GazaGenocide
Professor Finkelstein is a credit to humanity. He never ceases to amaze.
Always excited to listen to knowledgable minds like you sir👍 pls keep educating us more
Brilliant and most trusted two speakers 👏
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Be careful who you trust he already said that we're not going to listen to anybody and going to invade remember those words
Great discussion, Prof Finkelstein and Chris must live forever, Humanity and the world need you. Love and respect from Amman, Jordan
“The aggressor seeks to destroy the context to make the reaction of the oppressed incomprehensible” 6:26 damn that’s right
aka DARVO
Two giants on this issue.....with unparalleled intellectual prowess and integrity, as well as a sense of justice....
Dr. Finkelstein's candidness:
About the international doctors who go to Gaza, a de@th zone, to help the Gazans, he said, "Would I have done it?..........(after a long pause and a sigh...) I would feel the moral pressure, but the fear would have got the better of me."
Norman and Chris, what a beautiful mind and soul!
One day, Palestine 🇵🇸 will be free.
The irony is that the Palestinians are the actual free people and we all are occupied..
Once they get rid of HAMAS
Maybe Norman Finklestein can go live with them.
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If 1947 did not happen no (-)@nn@s would have come in 1987.
@@tsuiters they were free before Hamas took over. Prosperous employed in Israel , relied electricity from Israel at discounted fares. Israel provided Gaza with drinking water that their desalinations plant , bought Gaza's produced and collaborated with many of Israel industries. Please refer to vids shot in Gaza before 2007, main boulevard fool of markets , food galore, the beach board walk with fanatic villas , large boulevards, restaurants, cafes, fancy European cars etc. that would put Beirut to shame. Now Gaza looks like Dresden , end of WWII just like the nazis brought the destruction upon themselves , Hamas brought disaster upon Gaza while they hide like rats in tunnels instead to fighting the IDF
When you watch the video but still want to be in that room, then you know its a real reflective honest good speaker.
Thank you, gentleman, for being human!
Keep on doing sir .. most needed
I just love this man. He's taught me a lot ❤
Everything said that needed to be said. Much love.
Thanks for posting this. Totally recommend watching until the end.
Both the speaker's deserve a standing ovation for the goodness of their heart. ❤
👌Professor Norman and Chris Hedges 🥲✌
This is EXCELLENT !!! Thanx
N Finkelstein is absolutely wonderful from every point of view. Great mind, great heart
Vindication of his career, and redemption on the horizon, truly has Norman looking better every time I watch him. He makes righteousness and morality look sexy
Great show.Thank you for having two of the very best on the subject .
What a clown (1:31:18) to think he 'scores a point' against Dr Finkelstein by uttering a Jewish slogan, as if the good doctor gives a toss. How conceited can you get.
I could listen to Norman all day long. He has so much to teach the world.
Groundbreaking words. Amazing crowd.
Thank you Chris , Norm and Princeton U . World very proud of you all 👏
Dear God watch over Mr. Norman Finkelstein! ❤❤
Listening to Norman, I am drawn 100 percent by his historical knowledge, his expertise on the Middle East and geopolitics as a whole, and most importantly, his high moral standard and bravery. I don't get tired at all from the long speech whatsoever.
precious teac*in moments!
Breath of fresh air!
Thank You!!!!
Watchingvfrom Melbourne, Australia.👋 The Dynamic Duo, Undoubtedly the Best 2 Minds on the planet. My favourite Highly commendable, intelligent and awesome human beings Norman Finkelstein and Chris Hedges.
Stay Blessed.👍✅👏🏼
Two of my favorite men! We need more men like this in this world. Thank you both for your solidarity 🙏🏽🕊️🍉
two real living legends here. thanks all.
How I wish I could've been there live for this.
How great it is to listen to Norm! ❤