The BIZARRE Death of Ellen Rae Greenberg... Featuring Family and PI
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The entire comment section: WE SURE FUCKIN' ARE
😂😂 shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did... But YAS!!!!
@@dootdoot94xo44 aw ty! It was a teeny little flower petal all by itself in the shape of a heart, and my 4yo said... look mummy, even nature loves us. And that bought tears to my eyes, so I captured it in picture form forever! 🖤🖤 merry Christmas! 🖤🖤
@@dootdoot94xo44 no need to be belligerent..pretty sure it was a facetious comment
@@dootdoot94xo44 they’re joking... well, sort of. We do actually think he did it but the commenter isn’t being negative towards Kendall.
He is the only one who could have motives and she sure would have been surprised and stabbed on the back if the door got kicked down. It's weird that the police went straight forward for the suicide and did everything possible to cover up the fiancee. He doesn't even have an alibi.
this father is an absolute hero. continuing to fight for his daughter and getting her death justified all while the slime ball authorities are not taking this seriously.
her mother too!!
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@@gob354 exactly, what about her mum?😔
The fact that we’re still debating whether this was a suicide while that man is walking free is terrifying
And I am sure there are others
Nobody stabs themselves 20 times.
Moneyyy, he comes from a wealthy, powerful and with alot of connection family.
@@lavenderloveethis is so similar to the Phoebe Handsjuk case it’s seriously scary.
The legal system in America can be bought by anyone with the right skin tone.
As an emergency room nurse for 26 years, I can tell you that I have never once seen someone brought in for a suicide attempt by stabbing themselves, and 20 times at that! 🧐
Right! And let's be real, ER nurses see the worst of the freaking worst.
Thank you for your service!
As a trauma nurse specialist, 15 years of experience, I did see 1 case who stabbed her abdomen once- but she didn’t die. 20 times?! Is bizarre!!!!!
@@GS-jk5ij its EXTREMELY rare for anyone to attempt to stab themselves to death and EVEN MORE RARE to actually die from it. This is definitely a Homicide and there's only ONE person with opportunity and motive.
Yeah, I’m in forensic path and I’ve only seen a few people die from self-inflicted knife injuries. Wrist. One neck. Hesitancy mark and then a deep cut. Never multiple stabs
Who stops washing fruit to suddenly start stabbing their self? That's ridiculous.
Poor woman.
very true, why tf would she make herself a snack if she planned on killing herself
Exactly. That make no sense! If she was going to kill herself, why start making fruit? She could've done a number of other things, or nothing at all if she was trying to make everything seem normal to Sam, before he went to work out. I think he rigged the door to latch from the inside somehow, as he was leaving to "workout," after killing Ellen. I apologize for any disrespect or insensitivy, that someone finds in my statement. But I do think it was Sam.
Right?! So to recap..
She googled “painless methods of suicide“ and “quickest suicide”.
She stops at the gas station on the 2.5 mile drive home from work *during* *a* *snowstorm* in order to put gas in her car.
She gets home and starts making a fruit salad.
Then before she finishes slicing fruit.. she decides to kill herself in perhaps the most painful and agonizing way possible.
That’s really what they expect us to believe🙄
this was exactly my first thought! does not make sense
@@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078 I don't think most people would choose stabbing themselves multiple time to commit suicide.
She had old bruises. She wanted to move back in with her parents. Her mental health had changed. I think her fiancé was abusing her and he probably killed her. I got bad vibes the second I saw a photo of him.
I agree 100%. A lot of time people keep their abuse to themselves because of the shame that comes with it. "How could I let this happen?" "How did I miss the signs?" "How do I get out of this with minimal impact on my life?" "What about all this wasted time?" "What would everyone think?" "What if they actually change this time?" There are just so many reasons. I don't believe for a second that someone could stab themselves 20 times, let alone to the back of the neck.
I too get the feeling he might have done it. The searches on the computer prove either she was looking cuz of the situation she was in or he himself made the searches. I don't think the computers is good evidence.
He’s on video all throughout his time after leaving the apartment, all blood evidence is in the kitchen, and no one heard a scream. Had he attacked her she would have screamed AND struggled. He would be covered head to toe in blood. And the time of death would not fit as you can’t clean up the mess you would make in a manner of minutes, it would take a couple hours at least.
@@nbcboy20 i don't know but if he attacked her from behind, stabbed her and did something to make her unable to move who's to say he did not cover her mouth and muffled the sound from behind wasnt there also sign of stragngulation ? Or did I make that up ? Mayb she was unconscious je stabbed her making her unmobile.. wasnt sum issue with her spine found. Then he stabbed her in front an propped her up. Mayb there was blood on jus not alot. He could of cleaned up at the gym. Y he had on construction boots msyb blood just hot on his sneakers. There are so many variables of things that could of happened. I find it unlikely she killed herself but thats my opinion. She could have but I need it to make sense as to how she cut herself inward from front to back. I can barely scratch my own back. I don't know just know if I was them I would be still trying to figure it out to.
@@sammo9858 but how would he kill her and then leave with the deadbolt on ? Idk that’s weird
It worries me that victims of abuse often get labeled with a mental health disorder when the actual problem is they are being abused and may not even realise it.
May she Rest In Peace
This.
It's their way of discrediting and trying to silence the person.
YES. When I was being manipulated and gaslighted by my ex-husband I thought I was the one who was losing my mind.
@@gettingthereblog The history of psychiatry is littered with abusers aided by psychiatrists. And having worked with victims for over 30 years not much has changed.
I’ve only heard of a couple of psychiatrists and also lawyers who are beginning to challenge this.
I also notice so many psych labels for abused women but not one single official psych name for the men who so cruelly abuse and even kill.
He was abusive, proceeded to kill her, and then got away with it because he has connections. rest in peace Ellen
Just my opinion but, what if sam killed Ellen, adjusted the scene, went to the gym to shower, and have an alibi on the key fob... sent the text messages to look like he didn't know she was dead.. very suspicious case all around... nothing but love for the family, what a tragedy.
That’s what I’m thinking ! No one talk about Sam
That’s what I’m thinking too but how did he lock the door from the inside 😩 this is so confusing
Yeeeppp.
@@Brittanyhvrris maybe she did as she was dying to keep him from coming back?
I'm going with your opinion
Also... HUGE red flag for me was the fact he texted her saying "I'm getting pissed", "you have no idea" and " you better have an excuse"... um excuse me???? That to me shows his abusive side. Who texts their fiancee those type of messages because she has supposedly "locked a door"!?!?
The comment I was looking for! And he was only gone for 30 min supposedly. She could have hopped in the shower for all he knows, its not like he was stuck outside for hours and increasingly got pissed. So aggressive for no reason
I was going to keep an open mind and give him the benefit of the doubt initially, keep an open mind etc but that was the first thing that made me jump back on the "the boyfriend did it" train immediately
Yes, no one should be talked to this way. Toxic.
I had the exact same thoughts and we hadn't even got to all the suspicious stuff that happened later on.
Also her change in behavior and her not wanting to talk about it, my first suspicion would have been relationship issues. Especially because she wanted to come home. It is odd that she didn't want to call off the marriage but that might have been because she was ashamed of her second thoughts and didn't want to out him yet.
That's what I was thinking too! And it seemed like that wasn't the first time of him talking or texting to her like that.
Please do an update, the 911 call was released and Sam is definitely sounding guilty to me. Who says “she stabbed herself” instead of she’s been stabbed or someone stabbed her? Why would he immediately think she stabbed herself in the heart 🤔.
Right.
So many red flags from the 911 call.
Exactly what I was thinking!!!!!
He killed her.
If yall are curious about other “self stabbing” mystery’s check out elliot smith’s case
I just did a little online reading and Sam the fiance's family is incredibly powerful, wealthy and we'll connected both in entertainment and legal/government sectors. What we're witnessing here isn't incompetence or a lack of evidence.
Damn. Money is hard to convince to reverse.
As per usual money & power buying everything
@@hibiscus752as usual... not as per usual. 😂 not generally policing but it's as bad as irregardless 🤦🏼♀️
Yeah, it was so obvious that was him the second he said "the door was locked from the inside"...
well* connected
The fact that the fiancé isn’t pushing this to be investigated like her own father speaks VOLUMES!
Agree 100%
Obviously it was him and he has ""contacts""
@Maithili Deshmukh the REAL question is, WHY is this even possible....
Not to mention that he moved on only a year and a half afterward and got married. Super suspicious.
@@SherbertLime ehh, is that really suspicious though? That's a decent amount of time. What should be considered not suspicious? 5 years? 10? Never remarrying? I'm not trying to say I don't think he did it, I don't know. He very well could have but I just don't see moving on after a year or so to be suspicious.
Those are some pretty aggressive texts for being accidentally locked out.
Those were my exact thoughts also. When Kendall read them out loud it gave me the hibby jeebies. They were full of Nasty aggressive words & only about him, not any worry towards her!
And why wouldn't he call her than text?
My thoughts exactly!!
When I first heard it, my only logical explanation is that he thought she was cheating on him with someone in there.
yep. exactly
The fact that these poor parents have to describe their daughter's wounds is something I can't even imagine. My heart goes out to these parents
i support that statement 100000x. and the fact that they had to look at the autopsy photos themselves.. that mustve been so painful.
@@sophs6194 exactly 💯😞
I totally agree with you it's heartbreaking. It's really atrocious.
I find it odd that she researched “painless” suicide but yet died in the manner that she did. Like if you’re taking the time to research the least painful way to do it, why would you choose possibly the MOST painful way to do it?!
This is def a homicide. Someone was on her computer and looked that stuff up or maybe it was her, but I don’t believe she did this to herself. Whoever did it wanted to make it look like a suicide. This is just awful and my condolences go out to the family of this beautiful young lady.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
right... literally one of the most painful ways to die probably, aside from fire. also I have a hard time believing most humans could even override their survival instinct enough to STAB THEMSELVES 20 times. like I get suicide is a thing, obviously, but most suicide methods don't require that level of self violence. idek if I believe that a human could do that to themselves outside of being on like pcp or something, like literally probably would be unable to bring themselves to do that. poor Ellen's case has been utterly botched. I'm so glad she has a good family with the resources and will to fight for her.
I mean...but did they *really* though?...want to make it look like a suicide? b/c they... didn't seem to. They couldn't have made it look *less* like a suicide, if they'd tried
For all we know, Sam could have searched that on her computer in an order to set her up
He probably searched it on her computer to prop up the suicide story….
Good point.👍💯
She had all the signs of a domestic abuse victim. Historic bruises, fear and anxiety, personality change, wanting to move back in with her parents etc.
the fiancées behavior after the fact is extremely suspicious. The fact that his relatives came in and took all the laptops phones etc is clearly a sign of deliberate evidence tampering.
Also who decides to kill themselves while they are cleaning blueberries for a healthy breakfast? Seriously.
Ik right , its so crazy
@@melyangelissperez2556 the laptop thing is insane what more evidence do they need that something sus is going on (reminder to sign the petition in the description of video to reopen the case)
My thoughts EXACTLY! I feel like Sam got off big time.. he was able to "move on" because he had influential family members that either had ties to the police or knew how to cover up crimes... This is terrifying, to think all this evidence is out here and people who don't have any police training or background can look at this objectively and be like, "yeah, Sam did it!" is nauseating and infuriating!!
@@dinorocks4887 exactly!!!! Like wtf
if they erased something from the computer police can easily get them back, its 2021, its not like you delete something and that is really gone. but ofc they need to do this with todays technology. i believe it was still doable in 2011. maybe even more easy.
Sam wasn’t even investigated as a suspect??? Cmon. Talk about some dirty cops. Sounds like he funneled them a bunch of money
That’s what I was thinking.... considered he called a relative that was an attorney and his family first. PLUS he was a tv dude? Yah I call back and shady
Or his lawyer uncle.
ACAB at its finest
Yup and his uncle is a lawyer and he works in television.
Philly cops are notorious for being a mess and sloppy in their work/efforts. Larry Krasner is also a sus gen attorney.
Even though her psychiatrist/therapist said she never mentioned her relationship as a stressor and her parents never heard her complain about the relationship, that doesn’t mean anything. I was never in a physically abusive relationship, but I was involved in a very toxic and emotionally abusive relationship, and when I started going to therapy, I didn’t disclose how bad my relationship was until months into our sessions. I didn’t want to admit how terrible it was, and I was embarrassed to talk about it, especially with my family. I also thought, “maybe he will change if I get better”… I say this because I imagine she wanted to make her relationship work. God bless her and her family! I am praying for Justice for Ellen!
I find it odd that they *only* found Ellen's DNA in the kitchen when Sam lived there, too. Sounds like the kitchen was cleaned by Sam. I'm leaning towards Sam with this.
Sam was the last person to see her alive, wore boots to the gym, and didn’t notify her family before they found out through the media??? Are we really gonna act like that’s not sketchy? Such a tragic and frustrating story, RIP angel Ellen
Plus he was only at the gym for like 30 mins. And those texts he sent after "finding" the door locked do not seem like a normal reaction to me (not even a little worried, just very angry and volatile).
RIGHT , through the whole video I’m like ‘it’s Sam it’s Sam!’
@@MsSmile300 Yea, his texts went from 0-100 REAL fast - Makes him sound like a very abusive person, or hiding something....
Exactly there is no way that he didn’t do this it’s just not possible
@@kasandraavila9463 Yeah.... kinda confused on why Kendall didn’t dive into it more, I’m sure it’s because the family doesn’t think it’s him and I wonder what reasons they have to believe so
There is no way this was a suicide. No fucking way. Sam killed her. Period.
Agreed!!
Yeah especially with her wanting to come home.. She was still planning her wedding to keep up appearances but the wanting to go home means she feels unsafe where she is. What 20 something engaged woman wants to go home instead of living on her own with her fiancé?
I feel like it was him too but I can't say it was him without a shadow of a doubt. She obviously didn't commit suicide but it could have been almost anyone
@@acp8760 yeah I think he abused her hence the bruising prior to the day, though it could really have been anyone abusing her...
Agreed!
Those are very dedicated parents. I would hope my parents would fight just as hard as they are.
They would.
If she was surprised by the attack and the severed spinal cord came early enough, that would definitely explain the lack of defensive wounds.
HE CALLED HIS LAWYER BEFORE 911.
That’s not innocent man behavior
Thats messed up
Red flag
not really 1st person at and like this is a suspect even if found a week later
@@alwayscatholicknight7920 huh?
i automatically got a bad feeling when kendall read out sam's texts to her when she didn't open the door. such an aggressive reaction.
I know that this is wrong but I would be mad too
For the two of you who are getting mad because a door isn't opened and you would immediately get mad that baffles me. If you're response is extreme anger and abusive responses then that's super toxic and you should change it. Those texts were major red flags for me when I heard them. (Especially since I've both witnessed an abusive relationship and been in one). Especially the last text, "You have no idea ... ". That right there is the major telling sign of that relationship being abusive. For me, if my spouse had locked the door and I knew it had only been 30 minutes I would get slightly annoyed because, hey I'm coming back, but if I texted and called with no response my next immediate response would be extreme worry. For example, my spouse has asthma and a history of having a collapsed lung. So I would be trying to claw my way into the door or window to make sure I could see if he was okay. Saying that, she was taking meds to help her mental health issues. He should have been like, "Oh no. I hope she's okay. I need to get in there ASAP and make sure she's okay."
But I agree with the OP. Those texts being read allowed made my heart drop.
Also note the texts to his girlfriend could’ve been made up, if she was killed beforehand. Or he texted all that before she was killed.
Same! Why would he instantly turn into saying things that violently?? My boyfriend and I always joke around etc and if we were texting each other to unlock the door or something and we didn’t answer right away we wouldn’t jump from 0 to 100 and be that violent to each other because we LOVE and RESPECT each other. I believe it was sam, I got the same feeling when she read what he was saying to her all for not unlocking a door
@@SherbertLime u very right, but not in a case of rich fface from NBC, she had to put up with him to not disappoint her father, very sad....she was so pretty and she sounded like a good person, I know Kendall want us to b kind w/ comments, but Ellen should b w/her parents when she wasn't feeling well ( my heart dropped hearing about her wanting to go back home )
maybe then she would open up about her abusive rich fiancé, just my opinion
If he hadn’t been so connected, the act of calling his attorney before calling EMS would have automatically made him a suspect in her murder.
The fiancé did it. There is literally zero doubt in my mind. I’ve been in toxic, abusive relationships and it seems so glaringly obvious that he had help from his uncle to cover this up. I hope the family finds Justice and peace. This is truly tragic.
'If' this was 'suicide' who cleaned up the blood? There had to have been blood everywhere after stabbing 'yourself' 20 times. Im sure she didn't clean it up herself Sam is guilty AF
Not only that, it has been proven lately that the victim in fact didn't type google suggestions to take ones own life, the culprit most likely typed the suggestions to make it seem like a suicide...
Also, who randomly just starts cutting fruits and proceeds to violently stab themselves? It just doesn't add up.
i hadn't even thought of that! Good point
He did it
The way he texted her was the key note of an abusive tendency or an abusing relationship
EXACTLY!
That was super weird! I would expect him to be concerned, but he was pissed.
Definetely, thought the same thing! My first idea would be maybe she is sleeping ir listening to a music and then maybe that something bad has happened. But in no way I would get angry like that for such thing...
It does make me think he isn’t involved though, because I don’t think he would have been sending her nasty messages if he knew she was dead and he would probably be a suspect 👀 the messages husbands send as a cover are usually sugary sweet to try and make themselves look innocent, ie Chris Watts...
@@aproxamillionwasps474 But what if he was guilty and had thought this out beforehand? What if he thought guilty men always send sugary sweet messages - I better send aggressive ones so they don't suspect me. The fact that he texted and didn't phone is also a huge red flag.
Something about this case makes me feel really weird, I’m literally so baffled that it’s seen as a suicide. The back of the neck? In what world would someone decide to end it that way? I feel awful for the family, I hope one day they get justice. The police are shocking, the fiancé seemed somewhat suspicious - especially since the guard concluded he wasn’t even there? If there’s no evidence of anyone going in or out, they said it’s a surprise attack - so surely they should’ve looked into him? The police in this case are so absolutely ridiculous. Sending love, so sorry for your loss.❤️
It’s just beyond baffling to me that these “officers” and “detectives” really go to bed so comfortably after knowing they did absolute shit “police work” while conducting these investigations. Like, the lack of urgency and care about the details aggravate me the most! You guys are literally ruining lives, leaving families with little to no one closure!
My respect to the guy who decided to work on this case for free.
This is so heart wrenching. I don't understand how Sam was never questioned after new evidence arose. Like the wound in her neck the messages. Plus all the warning signs :( Ugh so sad. My deepest condolences 💞
@@MinMinTheChat I bet he’s connected to the Philly mob.
“Stabbed herself 20 times”.... 🤦🏼♀️ that’s a crime of passion... abusive boyfriend. Heart breaking
If Sam did this, it’s only a matter of time for the truth to be revealed. Abusers never stop being abusive. Would be nice to know how he treats his current wife.
Ikr.
Unlikely, since he got a very powerful, wealthy family and they have alot of connections. He definitely did it and knew he can easily get away with it, with the connections they have in the police department etc..
His current wife is Caroline Fay Shnay. She's a clothing buyer for Scoop NYC.
Hold up, how do they know the latch on the door had been closed if the fiance had kicked in the door and the maintenance man was never there it's only the fiance's word stating the latch was closed
Right!! My thoughts 100%. She was murdered by the boyfriend. So many red flags. These detectives are ridiculous 🙄
Exactly, he just loosened it from the inside to try back his story but not enough to make it convincing.
omg she was my first grade teacher at the time of her death!! i remember the day after it happened, my classmates and i were crying because they announced the news to us. ever since the incident happened, my old principal created a huge garden for ellen in front of my elementary school.
Very sorry for your loss. Touching that the principal did that too
I’m so sorry for your loss she seemed like an amazing woman
I’m sorry for your loss.
So why aren’t they focusing more on the fact that Sam’s story doesn’t line up. If he lied about the security guard says he never left his desk how do we know that the door was actually locked from the inside? The damage to the door could have been done prior when they got in a fight or something. I think that this guy knew what he was doing. He contacted his family lawyer and they helped cover his tracks.
I think he killed her in a fit of anger before he “went to the gym”. Just hearing the text he sent to her when he couldn’t open the door. He is supposed to be scared but yet he is yelling at her and swearing at her. He sounds like he had a temper and I don’t think this is the first time he had been emotionally or physically abusive to her.
@Kyla Lambalot either way, that would be something to investigate. I would assume the camera can easily prove if the guard left his desk or not.
@Kyla Lambalot why the hell would the security lie ? There will be no reason to do that
This reeks of a cover-up! Those officers should be held accountable. Unbelievable. I would be livid.
It absolutely is, sam has very wealthy family with alot of connections, they definitely knew he did it, it's so obvious.
Wait, so she went to a psychiatrist three times and was prescribed Zoloft, Ambien, Klonopin AND Xanax???
Honestly this doctor should be put under review. That’s way too much right away
That’s what I was thinking that is a way too many drugs and I’m sorry, but I was prescribed Ambien and Xanax at the same time and it’s actually illegal to do that. I was hospitalized after accidentally taking two Ambien because I was sleepwalking and I ran into my dresser. You are not supposed to prescribe those together. I was playing with my gun and talking gibberish to my brother on the phone at the time. I literally don’t remember any of it, and it’s the scariest thing I’ve ever experienced. I have never once in my life been suicidal and those thoughts are real with these dangerous dangerous medication. When I was hospitalized, they said they have seen us several times with these medications. I only see a naturopathic doctor now. I’m still sure the guy killed her, but suicidal thoughts are proven side effects of these dangerous drugs- they should be banned.🙌
Sam murdered her. I think they fooled everyone she was in a loving relationship. The fact she wanted to move out means she wanted to run from her abuser.
But she kept up the appearance in public that everything was fine between them so as not to tip Sam off in any way to her plans.
@RJ McFarjay you can’t say that for a fact. You didn’t know her. Can prescriptions mess you up. Yes. Can they make you stab you’re self 20 times and in the back? No. I don’t think you watched the video closely.
There is NO WAY this woman killed herself. This case is insane.
it's very insulting to her family and to us that they thought we'd believe that! they think we're that stupid??
and a case like this didn't get enough media coverage is very fishy...
ikr?? besides that, i feel like if you stab yourself you will not handle the pain in the second stab, and that scene was clean AF which is weird cause if she did it and she was hurting (from the stabs) she would've made a mess but there was none! Sam needs jail time, he looks pretty guilty to me.
right?! i think Sam lied. He said he went to the gym but he probably killed her before he left and then said he went home and that he was locked out...
I totally question ones credentials that would even consider such insane happenstance.
@@LauhRodriguez He deeeeefinitely lied. Probably went to get the security guy so he could be like "Well, he was with me when I found her, so I couldn't have done it". : c
This investigation is very scary made me get chills, crazy how they even closed the case. I signed the petition to reopen this case! This case needs to be reopened!!
Who's to say that Sam didn't use her computer to look up "painless suicide" to make it look like she was looking that up?!? So messed up. I feel so bad for her family. What a gorgeous girl, inside and out, taken to soon. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this so the family can finally get closure. May she rest in peace.
Commenting a year later, but I've definitely googled that at several points in my life while feeling depressed but not actually wanting to kill myself. It can be comforting to know that there's a "way out". Besides, she googled painless suicides, but police wants us to believe that afterwards she proceeded to stab herself 20 times ?? While she had antidepressants and could've tried suicide by overdose like most women ??
too* soon
@@stfuplsok I didn't read it before commenting, but yes, too. Thanks.
@@sunnyzation I agree. I've been there too. But I get where you're coming from. When people are in that state of mind, they don't care if it's painless or not for the most part. They're not going to feel anything soon. They usually don't even look anything up. It's mostly impulse. But I'm not speaking for everyone. I'm sure there's people that would argue with that statement. I'm just speaking from experience. I would never do that now. Ever. Please don't report me or anything.
If the family is seeing this, know that all of Kendall’s viewers are thinking about you and your beautiful daughter. Hoping that you get justice in this case!
@@JuneGirl35 I feel like this was a very offensive comment? What are you thinking of then? Please respect Kendal’s wishes by posting some positive opinions or at least get off her page.
@@libertymeyers1836 report the comment. That’s what I did. Hopefully it’ll get taken down.
@@NiNi08247 reported it as well.
@@NiNi08247 I reported it as well
@@libertymeyers1836 I reported the comment. Looks like it's taken down now. What an awful person to say something so insensitive.
The way he texted her “I’m getting pissed” and “You better have a good excuse”. You can tell he was toxic and did not treat her with respect.
Exactly
The "you better have a good excuse" just screams I know your dead but I need to act like I don't know yet
Right?? Why would his texts not be alarmed/empathetic? He’s completely self concerned. That in itself says so much.
yeah he "became worried" but was messaging her all these very rude & toxic things.
Yes, my thought would be maybe she's in the bathroom or shower and can't hear me, or she's gone to the shop. We've all been in the situation where you are at the front door and can't get the attention of the person in the house. You may get a bit exasperated, but not so rude.
WTF! How does somebody commit suicide by stabbing themself 20 times including in the head and the back of the neck?!?! That's literally impossible! Its like you can't drown yourself because your self-preservation will kick in. She was clearly being abused before she died and that's why she had various bruises in various stages of healing. I cannot even believe suicide was even considered. What because she looked up suicide? I am so angry right now I don't even know what to do.
I believed from the very first that Sam murdered her. The bruising in various stages, the way he acted when he wanted her to open the door, all told me he had been abusing her and he murdered her. The police work on this case was extremely inferior. Whoever was in charge of the investigation should stop and think about how they would feel if it was their daughter who had been murdered. My heart goes out to her parents who love their daughter and grieve her loss. Justice would not bring her back, but it would help them to know they didn’t give up and fought to get justice for their beloved daughter.
So since the security guard didn’t even leave his desk, there were no witnesses to the door being latched from the inside. And the police are relying on her fiancé’s word despite all evidence. Disgusting.
Exactly... And his relatives went there before the police and the second day aswell and got the laptops.. Wtf... It s clearly suspicious and because all of this I think it s his fault. Hope that justice will be eventually served! It s sad to see when the police instead of protecting the victim it s protecting a killer.
Yes I was wondering that too. Maybe the door wasn’t actually locked.
I couldn't believe it when Kendall said that towards the end!!! Not only did he not accompany him to the door, witness the deadbolt being on... he DID witness that Sam had on TIMBERLAND style BOOTS... from training..? Sure Jan!
I agree with this, it might not have even been latched from the inside. There is literally no one who can confirm it was truly was locked from the inside. Even if it was locked from the inside and he did bust open the door, and I think there are many ways to make it easier, like how one of the screws was removed and not found on the ground - he most likely removed the screw earlier and probably loosened the other screws to make it easier to break in
@@akmiller9456 very true! I kept thinking,,, but how did sam lock it!??? Yeah he probably fkn didn't!
I'm 20 minutes in and am already convinced there's no way she did this to herself.
Yeah it’s not possible to stop yourself that many times
The more I hear about cases like this, the more I realize how completely incompetent most United States police forces are 😞
He killed her and it was covered up. No one verified that the door was locked from the inside. No one unauthorized entered the apartment building but sam is authorized. So so so many red flags about this and him.
This man got away with cold blooded murder and is now married with two kids ...
That woman and her children are in danger.
I agree
Exactly my thoughts!!!
does his new wife know? or care?
I agree two kids lives r on the line where r trolls when u need them!!
PLEASE ask Kendall to cover the Jessica Boynton case, similar thing happened to her, she's still alive though but she never got justice
The fiancé did it. This was out of rage. He wanted someone to be a witness when he found her dead. I can't believe the police were so stupid.
I agree with 100%, Sam did it! But I was also thinking that maybe the police weren’t stupid and they were payed off by his uncle the attorney or they took away the evidence like the other knife that was used and cleaned up all the blood! But just a theory of course.
I pray someone honest investigates. This would be an easy case to solve .
And Sams current wife would know he's guilty. I'm sure he is abusive to her as well.
He absolutely did it. But he’s a rich NBC producer, and Philly cops are notoriously corrupt and incompetent. So here we are...
Police aren't stupid, they're corrupt. Whenever they have a chance to avoid the ruling of an additional homicide, they take it. The less homicides for their city/town, the better. It's incredibly fucked up.
You are genuinely a really extraordinary individual Kendall Rae. The world needs more people like you.
I think her mentally health had changed drastically due to the emotional and psychological abuse that occurred in her relationship, and who is to say that those old bruises weren't caused from physical abuse as well. Being in a toxic relationship can do numbers on your mental health, no wonder she was having such terrible anxiety, appearing on edge, and wanting to move back in with her parents. I don't think she wanted to admit to her parents either of what was going on in her relationship with Sam. There were so many red flags for me in this. It's so sad for the family, and for her.
I’m only 11 minutes in to this story and the text messages he’s sending her about the door being locked is really bugging me. If I accidentally locked my husband out of the house he would never text or speak to me like this. Abusive vibes for sure
We’re not talking about your husband or care how he treats you .
EXACTLY. Way over the top, that really stood out.
@@envyallison926 you’re quite a ball of sunshine.....🙄
@Mellow you’re absolutely right! I had the most uneasy feeling reading those texts! And people do care about how you are being treated just ignore the haters
@@envyallison926 wow does someone need a hug ?
@@envyallison926 calm down, Sam.
being stabbed 20times tells us everything:
Someone was angry.
It was murder.
Exactly it was out of rage. They should of been able to tell that
its unbelievable
That's like homicide 101, there was clearly a personal connection to her killer.
And the way she was found propped up against the cupboards, I doubt you’d fall in that way as a result of suicide
💯💯💯 and it was personal
We talked about this case in my forensics class a month back and now its in my recomended. RIP Ellen Greenberg
This is so heartbreaking. And so many years fighting for justice. I will definitely check out the fb page. Thank you for informing us. Your work is great!
The text messages seem really fake, why didn't he call her, it seems the most direct way to contact her. The text messages were also very aggressive. The latch lock does not seem to be very secure if someone can easily kick the door in, this seems like a major red flag to me. It feels like the fuss at the door was set up to call attention to him "finding" his girlfriend in distress. I really feel for this family, fighting for justice, I hope everyone finds peace eventually
I 100% agree!!
I thought the same thing. He sounds very aggressive and escalated very quickly! If you’re happy and getting married soon you wouldn’t be treating somebody like that! He is guilty guilty guilty!
Yup, the security guard was his witness. A well planned murder. Unfortunately he will likely go free.
I know for a fact if my fiance locked me out (knowing mental illness is going on) I would call maybe 3 times and then call the police. There would be NO texting at all. Never would I think to just text and be angry I would be crying and a mess.
Right, it's weird that he didn't call her or that he didn't get more worried and attempt to get in forcefully any sooner. He knew she was struggling with her mental health and for something seemingly so strange that he wasn't more concerned but instead outraged. If he wasn't concerned about anything why was he so angry that the door was locked. I think it's strange that he had the key and didn't peak in to see if anything was wrong even though he couldn't fully get the door open. Or that he didn't call her family in at all.
Seems like Sam knows somebody in the police department. There’s no other reason they’d be this shady and irresponsible with a “regular” family who lost their daughter.
Yes!!! I was thinking that. Or with his uncle being a lawyer. Maybe he had some connects. Very shady
Philly is so corrupt and crappy. They are lax in their jobs too. Been there my whole life
Trash smh. Acab.
It's strange that the media always knew before the family and that they made no attempts to contact her family. It's just all very suspish.
I just started watching you on CZcams and love your channel! Although these stories are incredibly sad, you are a great storyteller!
Just found your channel and I love how you explain these stories with respect. I also fell in love with the journal and bought one. Yes I'm late but your code and the year 2022 still worked. Hoping a portion of the proceeds still help women
Imagine being a producer for NBC and not getting this story blown up on air after finding your fiancée stabbed 20 times with no suicide note.
Exactly. Also, if he premediated the murder, he could've planted the suicide searches on her devices.
Bro HE DID IT, the writing is on the wall
EXACTLY
PLEASE ask Kendall to cover the Jessica Boynton case, similar thing happened to her, she's still alive though but she never got justice
@@Ida-Adriana Hi, she has a form linked in the description box where you can leave the details about Jessica's case.
Gets in a relationship, personality changes and suddenly becomes anxious and closed off, wants to move home. All red flags to me that she was in an abusive relationship. And then him wearing boots, calling other people before 911, etc. I think it’s pretty clear what happened here.
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I agree but the thing that gets me is how was the door locked when he left? Like how was he able to kick it down if he was in the other side?
@@thunderspikes4064 he wasn't on the other side... maybe he left earlier. It is possible to put a swing lock or chain on from the outside of the door. Tricky but possible.
Right and who really knows if the latch lock was ever actually locked just bc he said it was then they said he just "broke in" how tf did he break in on the 6th floor theres just the door there yk like what n he couldve said it was locked and searched those things on her computer to try and make it all just look like a suicide eassyyyy
I wish I could give your comment multiple likes. Because I can't agree with you more. I thought the same thing!
I am new to your channel but I have to tell you I listen every day I’m catching up on old videos I know I’m so behind but this one in particular I guess maybe because I’m from Pennsylvania but getting to hear about all your sponsors and all the work and the good that you do with your platform just makes me admire and love you even more I am just touched by all the good that you are involved in as well as a True Crime fanatic as well I am a single mom of five kids they call it my doom and gloom stories but thank you for all that you do!!!! 😊
The fact that I live in central Pennsylvania and have never really heard of this case is crazy. This really should’ve gotten more attention. Such a heartbreaking case. JUSTICE FOR ELLEN❤
Sam and his uncle are so suspicious. calling your uncle to the crime scene before the police and then returning back to the scene the next day?? weird.
Sounds like he needed his uncle's help.
i feel like he has some connection to the police , maybe from his uncle?
YES. THIS!!!! *EXTREMELY* sketchy!!!
I wonder if they some how imput those search results on her computer about the painless suicide....
@@jazzkz9216 Sam could look that stuff up while she's Asleep etc. I think if she did search that up she wouldn't choose to use a knife..... let alone 2 different kinds of knives.
it was Sam:
1. he was extremely aggressive in the text messages while he was supposedly worried. also why not call after the first text
2. he lied about the security guard going with him which means sam could lie abt the lock & the door could've been damaged prior
3. who goes to the gym for only 30 minutes? also in boots?
4. he called his uncle (an attorney) and his parents BEFORE the police
5. there are different knife markings yet only one knife found
6. why look up painless suicide then stab yourself 20 times?
7. She had bruises old and new, Sam told cops it was from yoga but she didn't do yoga?
8. keep in mind luminal testing was not done so blood could've been anywhere.
Thank you
I will say that when I had a gym in my apartment building like they do, I’d sometimes go for only 20-30 minutes just to get a quick workout in on days I don’t feel like it. But I definitely agree he’s guilty
This is a perfect summation! 👏👏👏
Also, is yoga even something you get bruises from? Because I’ve never gotten any
Who cuts up fruit then says well that was yummy, time to off myself? Thats the part that bugged me.
I just signed the petition to reopen & investigate this case. More signatures are needed!!!
This is staggering, how this case has been handled. Shocking!!
I sincerely hope justice eventually prevails.
If the fiancé loved her, why wasn’t he more involved in finding the killer. Her parents are passionate about finding the killer. He moved on right quick. Very sus.
This is a big red flag for me... Like they were months away from being married 🤔
And in the back of the neck??
@@skylermay2855 Maybe he didn't want to get married and this was his way out. Really bad way out.
lmao, why would he look for a killer when it was classed as suicide ? ..........
If she was looking up “painless suicide” ... why would she stab herself? Why was he hearing boots to the gym? This isn’t right. At all.
EXACTLY!!! And seriously WHO chooses to stab themselves at a means of suicide in this day and age.. No one does that anymore!!! Because u can do it quickly and painlessly with a gun or with pills! And let’s say she did go into some manic episode and decided to stab herself.. WHY would she reach around and start stabbing herself in the back of the neck?!? That literally makes zero sense. The stab wounds woulda been either on her neck or wrist or chest/heart.. she would be pointlessly slashing herself in the back of the neck! And these idiot police should be able to determine this by the direction of the stab wounds! I think the fiancé did it. It makes sense considering the upcoming wedding.. he probably wanted an out.. and figured with her being knowingly so depressed that he wouldn’t be blamed.. And the fact that he has been so calm, avoided interviews, avoided the family, and moved on so fast.. it makes total sense.
HE looked that up on her computer as an alibi
I agree he prolly typed it on her computer after taking it before the police could get to it. Why not look and see when the search on the browser was performed for painless suicide?? ❤❤😢😢
I think they just put those searches on her computer. That's why they took it before the cops got to it.
I know!!! Honestly. I thought it was definitely Sam from the second that Kendall said his name.
The fiancé killed her. No question in my mind. If you listen to the 911 call when he “discovers” a knife lodged in her chest, he says “oh, she stabbed herself” so nonchalant and as if she had a coffee stain on her shirt. He’s guilty AF and the police are covering it up.
They are still saying suicide. Sept 2023
Who worries about taxes, fills up their car w gas and prepares a snack to eat before killing themselves ? Also if the boyfriend knew the latch was in the door what was he expecting the security guard to do? Sounds like he wanted the security guard as a witness to finding her dead inside
Well for me it was a normal day and then one thing triggered it and I attempted about 5 minutes after starting dinner but I don’t think she did it with all the other evidence provided
@@alyssavez7047 truth. Your mind can play tricks SO quickly. I’ve been there too. But no, this definitely isn’t a suicide case I agree!
Omg I didn’t even think of that that’s so smart and so true
@@alyssavez7047 your first question is a bit too logical if we’re considering someone who *might* be suicidal. I don’t believe she killed herself but still those behaviors don’t mean she wasn’t suicidal. People who attempt suicide often go through their normal habits and tasks and sometimes the attempt is at a random time.
@@midapita I am lost, I didn’t ask a question and I stated that it was a normal day for me just with the other evidence it didn’t make much sense, also I didn’t say that she wasn’t suicidal
As soon as Kendall read the text he was sending her, I thought he seemed really abusive. 'I am getting really pissed', 'You better have an excuse', 'You have no idea', - that already sounds so threatening. Who talks like that to their partner, just because they locked a door? It shows his violent nature, that shines through even though he is covering up his tracks. I think it is a sad femicide, where the perpetrator somehow managed to cover up his doings effectively enough to not be convicted. I feel really sorry for the family!
I absolutely agree. My fiance and I live in an apartment building that has an outdoor lock to get into the hallway before you can get to your room door. My fiance looked himself out of the outside door one time and texted me to let him in but I was washing dishes so I didn't see it for maybe 20 minutes. His texts were things along the lines of "are you okay?" "what's going on?"
He never once got mad or violent, just worries about my safety
I've been in a DV relationship, I know those kinds of texts, I was thinking the same thing!
ABSOLUTELY AGREE!
EXACTLY what I was thinking!! It's not normal to say something like that over a locked door, especially if you think it's out of the ordinary!! You'd be a lot more concerned/caring worried. That stuck out the most to me.
I thought this as well! I would never text my partner that
How anyone could think this was suicide is beyond me
This is incredibly frustrating! I cannot believe they ruled this as a suicide!! Just ridiculous.
This gave me chills. We are in the same situation here in NY. Our Daughter died in 2004 and she had been married for only 3 months at the time of her death. Her husband was questioned by several detectives. He has been recorded stating he gave her her medicine, and when the toxicology came back, that med was not in her system, but 21 different medications were listed that had not been prescribed to her ever. After the funeral, he disappeared. We learned that he remarried a little over 2 months since her passing. We took all evidence that we had to the District Attorney, and like you we were told there was nothing they can do without concrete evidence. I express my sincere condolences to the family in this frustrating fight for Justice for our loved ones. I pray that one day we will get that justice for your daughter and mine.
Oh my goodness sweetie, I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter, maybe one day you'll get a new detective on the case who can help you find justice. What a horrific situation to have to endure...
ma'am, I'm so sorry for your loss.
So so sorry for loss loss 😢 can’t imagine what you’re going through. You need to keep fighting for her.
Pls fight for your justice
Sorry for your loss
Sending you prayers ❤️🙏
Sorry about the loss of your daughter , I cannot imagine such a pain as mother
Come on! It was Sam. He was abusive and finally killed her before leaving for the gym. 20 stab wounds and the cops label it a suicide?
I also think it happened prior to him going to the gym.
If not him then someone who lives in that building because they know there’s no cameras in the hallways, .
But i really think it was him . I have zero proof but a feeling
It's so ridiculously obvious it was Sam. and it makes me suspicious that the cops were somehow trying to cover up for him or something with how adamant they were that it was a suicide and how they basically closed the case the moment it happened without performing a deeply thorough investigation.
Im sure he cleaned up all the blood. The trip to the gym was a trip to get rid of evidence.
same cops who investigate the clinton 'suicides'
What’s Sam relationship to cops or government officials?!
Omg I just found you and you're awesome and how cool is that the family contacted you! You had to be so proud!
It’s unbelievable to me that there still is no justice for Ellie. How can Sam NOT be considered a suspect? It’s absolutely ridiculous. This case makes me completely irate. I heard the 911 call and he totally sounds fake. It’s really bizarre.
For Ellie’s parents: I am so sorry for your loss and that it’s compounded by the lack of transparency and justice. You deserve both. ❤️
He cared about himself before trying to do cpr on her???
He called his lawyer first. This speaks volumes of who he is
PLEASE ask Kendall to cover the Jessica Boynton case, similar thing happened to her, she's still alive though but she never got justice
yeah and he was lying about security guy being there with him .
seems to me that the fiancé looked up “ painless suicide...” to fit his lie more
i was also thinking, if she was searching up painless suicide, why would she decide to stab herself?
oh, but i'm pretty sure she said that it was looked up before she was murdered; idk though
@@jake-wl1fu well if he planned the murder, he could have looked this up days before he acted out the murder to cover his ass
Yeh like stabbing yourself is painless. She couldve just drifted off by over dosing on the medication she was on. Really makes me so mad
@@jodieiscool9351 a lot of times people choke on their vomit when overdosing on pills. Not everyone tho of course.
Whatever the truth is, I hope this poor woman is happy and free of her troubles, wherever her spirit is. And I hope her family can heal and find closure. Weird flex : I’m strangely proud that Dr. Cyril Wecht’s daughter is my OBGYN and made my delivery experience peaceful, calming and amazing. Peace, love and healing ❤️🩹 from Pittsburgh, PA
This poor family. I cannot imagine the pain they have been through. I really hope they find justice for their daughter. ❤️
Sam is extremely sus. The fact that she had older bruises on her body concerns me and I also think that he could have planted the suicidal search history as "proof".
I 100% agree and it's even possible she searched quick suicide because he was beating her 😔
sus haha 😂😂😂😳😳😳😳
The other possibility for bruising is consensual rough sex.
EXACTLY
@@BellaLeoLicorice I really highly doubt this... And no one saw BUT him about the locked door.smh
She had old brusises from abuse in different stages of healing, Sam sent her agressive messages to open the door, Sam's family helped him retreive her laptop and other belongings before the police could get it. VERY suspicious. He also wasnt intergated. He wore boots when he was "at the gym." She also literally wanted to get away from her apartment. She asked her parents if she could come back home. It sounds like she was scared of her fiancé. It seems like she was being really careful about what she was telling people. I think Sam is suspicious. He was also quiet and did not do interviews. Not saying it was him, but it seems like it could have been him.
@@reeseharrison2934 that could be possible too
@Lucy Goldsmith if the first stab wound was that one to the top of her neck (the one that severed/damaged the spinal cord) it would have disabled/paralysed her instantly, and she wouldn't have been able to fight back. most likely scenario (to me) is sam came up behind her, stabbed her in the back of the neck first, and then continued the attack
He definitely did it and disposed of the knife and or evidence at the gym. Used something like a clothes hanger to lock the safety lock. Blows my mind they keep talking about suicide . 🤬
@Lucy Goldsmith That blood dripping back from nose to ear and dried means it happened somewhere else.
I agree exactly with what your saying Taylor & Jessica as well there could be a second person involved in the apartment knowing her boyfriend waiting to help or he never left the apartment till he killed her.
It’s heartbreaking to see the way the justice system discredits cases with mental health victims so quickly.
They just re opened this case today right as I was watching it !!! Please do an update
her boyfriend seriously got away with murder and it angers me so much for her family...
exactly! he really got married and had kids living a jolly life. sick.
Me too. Why didn't he just leave her, and they could both be happy with someone else? I do NOT understand why people insist on killing another person because they don't want to be in the relationship?!
Put the police AND Sam in jail, they’re both guilty af
Someone has frds in the "right" places...
If the family reads this… This is such a tragic case! I’m so sorry for her and her amazing and loving family! To the family and her friends and loved ones of all forms, you guys are beyond strong! And I stand with all of you guys! And when you read any hate messages use your strength and try to brush it off ❤️🥺 my dad used to tell me all the time growing up and I’m sure all of you have heard this saying, but “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”. Again You guys are beyond strong and I’m sending so much love all your way❤️!
*MUCH LOVE*
She had old brushes so that could be abuse.
No woman kills herself like that. This is murder and i think her boyfriend
The fiancé planted those suicide searches.
Totally, I thought the same thing!!
100%
and he’s also an idiot because he searched “painless suicide”....AND STABBED HER TO DEATH! as if that would pass as a painless method 🤦🏾♀️
I agree
I wonder if he searched it up for himself, as he was freaking out once he had done the deed. He obviously called someone to come and help him (his uncle the lawyer, and his parents) and they did. You have to wonder by the way things happened if the family had any friends in LE.
I think her anxiety was coming from being domestically abused if she was acting weird and had previous bruises.
this!! i was in an abusive relationship and i felt so ashamed and i didn’t tell anybody what was going on and i just would just say “i just have a lot of anxiety there’s just a lot going on in my life”. i know everyone is different but it’s not uncommon for victims to be completely silent about the abuse that happens behind closed doors.
Deja Jazmyn Definitely! VERY few people knew what was really going on in our home with my abusive narcissist “father” until after things resorted to a 911 call, him leaving the house being arrested, and us filing an order of protection. Even the people who were aware of some of the abuse prior to everything crashing down, had no idea the full extent of everything. It’s hard to talk about and admit, because abusers know how to create enough shame in their victims in order to keep them quiet. It’s an abuser’s safety net, and they are incredibly skilled at it. I’d say it’s EXTREMELY rare for those dealing with domestic abuse to be fully honest and forthcoming about it to their loved ones, both because of shame and fear, and because they don’t want to worry anyone. Especially loving parents like Ellen had. The way she was behaving absolutely checks of countless red flags of abuse, and then coupled with the bruises, it makes it very hard to believe that this was “just” a suicide caused by depression. On top of it all, multiple repeated stab wounds do not align at all with suicide, but they DO align with a crime of passion homicide by someone who was close to the victim. Which again, fits perfectly with the killer being an abuser, as they often carry out murder via a crime of passion. An abusive narcissistic rage is frightening and unpredictable, and there is no telling just how far they will take things when their eyes go black. There is no way to control it or stop it once it reaches the point of no return, unless you are able to call 911 and have police get there in time, which is something I’m fortunate for in my mother and I’s situation the night they saved us. Ellen’s story is heartbreaking, and I pray that her and her family get the justice they deserve. God bless them.
I've been there. I still have panic attacks.
Yes, I myself have been through it. Most of my anxiety and depression was from my abusive relationship.
I have just begun watching this one and paused it for a moment because I had to say that I would love to sit down one day with you Kendall Rae because you are kind, empathetic, honest and very intelligent. I would end up talking to you for hours in a coffee shop, I'm a fifty seven year old Mom and I thoroughly enjoy all of your videos, I especially love how you put in a disclosure such as in this one about informing people to simply please be kind and don't write nasty vial things....etc.....You my lady 'rock'. Thank you for your investigative reporting, professional to the max. Be Safe.❤🙏👍
I love what you are doing for charities.. Justice For Her sounds amazing. Thank you for your concern, care, and hard work.! I love listening to you tell these stories