ELECTRIC POWER STEERING on my tractor!? For less than 120$
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- What a start, for this new serie on my Massey Furgeson 210-4, a brand (no really) new power steering from a 2006 Saturn Vue! 😲
For plans and Merch :
57design.ca
Or on Etsy:
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Saturn Vue Module: www.ebay.com/i...
I know several people who bought old tractors thinking that they could get some work done with them, only to find out that the only work that got done was TO the old tractor. I can't think of anybody better prepared to work on an old tractor than our man Viny B, and this video proves just that. Thanks again, Viny, for more fantastic entertainment!
Hey man, THANK YOU for such a nice comment! Glad you appreciate the content and all the upgrades I'm about to do to this machine!
I have a 1958 Ford 641. Working on her is just as fun as working with her! So no complaints from me!
If you buy a tractor or any other heavy equipment in that age, you definitely have to do some (a lot) of work to it to bring it back to a decent shape or even revive it from the death. But let's assume you didn't buy someting that only has use as scrap metal and that there's no issue like spare parts that can't be obtained anymore. At those times there was no electronics, so you can fix almost anything.
Once you did the needful to fix stuff that inevitably is broken, you can get a good deal of work done in a reasonable time that you otherwise probably wouldn't be able at all. I for example was digging out some tree stumps with my 1985 backhoe, which would be in the ground for the next 10 years to rot if I wouldn't have convinced my wife to allow me the budget for a machine. I'm pretty sure, I'd never have fixed my driveway with a wheelbarrow and a shovel either. And moving firewood can of course be done without a machine, but it would take not only a few minutes more...
So, while I sunk countless hours into addressing certain issues, it also has given me opportunities that I otherwise wouldn't have had. I count time as a currency that I exchange for the power to do things.
If that’s a Perkins powered Massey, it will still be running after you and me are dust (and if fuel is still available). Try that with a newer tractor.
Nice to see more people using these one thing I will add is, be carefull when welding to the output/input side of the saturn vue motors, they have plastic reduction gears inside the unit that are attached to the splined center shaft, not trying to discourage people from this mod, but just saying take your time with the welds especially if they are vary close to the center motor unit, and take your time and let it cool for a few minutes when welding it, well if you want to be careful with it, also a good tip to keep operating tempretures lower and improve reliability, you can extend the 4 wires and remote mount the stock saturn electronic control unit and bolt it to its own remote heatsink, if that is too much work at the least I would suggest you carefully remove the control unit clean the old thermal paste off, and apply new high quality thermal paste to the unit sometimes the factory is a bit conservative with the application of the thermal paste.
Thanks for you tips! 👌
I think you should install limit switches to stop the assistance before the steering locks to not cause excessive wear or premature failure to *all* components. The car computer used the feedback from the steering wheel angle sensor to do that.
Awesome
Awesome video. Loved the ending. Can't wait to see more of this build, that is going to be an awesome addition to your shop!
Hey thanks buddy! You liked my waltz?! 😉
@@VinyB57 not as much as I liked your CZcams search history
Very Nice Classic Musical Ending, no problems during winter time for the HOT electric power steering, during summer a side cooling fan perhaps 🤔Cheers 🍻🍻
Yes, maybe a fan...but so far, it works better then I though!
Viny B! Keep up the great content my man. Over 50k subs. Soon to be 75K and growing. Enjoyed the project this week. Always an innovator you are.
Let's go!! Can wait for the 75K.....and the 100K 😉
I have the EPS on and working . Mine is a little different because I used a Nissan unit . However it is on and so much better than before . I am also rewiring the whole tractor and fixing all the lights . Thanks for the motivation and if I can figure out how , I will make a video . Cheers
Used on an automobile, the power unit only works hard while parking. The tractor application has it working hard almost full time. Long duty cycle. Wonder if a small 12v fan would help. Looks like there would be room enough. Pretty creative sheet metal work.
Used on an automobile it worked against a much higher gear ratio in the steering box (remember, the tractor was designed with enough mechanical advantage to be steered without assistance) so now the power steering unit is working only as hard as his arms used to and without the cornering forces, speeds, and lateral traction of an automobile.
@@mwilliamshs Yet the motor apparently gets 'very hot' so still not good eh?
We don't know what very hot is. Nothing under 200° is unusual for these units.
on the next episode you should make a quick hitch for the front bucket so you can easily swap them out, why you may ask even though you've only got front loader bucket? so you can build a new attachment for a set of forks to make moving stuff easier
Clearly you didn't watch till the end of the video!
In the US, you can buy conversion kits for old Massey loaders.
Super content d'avoir trouvé votre channel! Vous êtes tout un patenteux. Et en plus, un excellent éditeur de vidéo, c'est super intéressant à écouter! Content de voir que je ne suis pas le seul à vouloir installer un powersteering sur un vieux tracteur! Merci!
Tip for wiring anything even house wiring. Use dielectric grease on all connections. the dielectric grease keeps the connections from oxidizing, and failing. I learned this trick when I owned a Honda car. I had to take apart the electrical connections to replace headlights and find the clear sticky substance in the connectors. Found out it was dielectric grease. It really has worked well for me. House wiring extreme example, I had some outdoor yard lights with high power quartz halogen bulbs and they would only last a month or so. I added a lot of dielectric grease to the bulb connectors and the bulbs then lasted over a year. I don't wire anything now without applying it.
Great setup. I think eventually the steering gears will strip out from the force. I have the exact same tractor in the Allis Chalmers 5020 version. I fabricated a hydraulic ram system for mine that mounts to the steering tie rod. Works great. Thanks for all your videos. Chris
did you need a different pump for your ram system to work or use the same pump that you for the bucket
Very nice job! Love the tractor “ballet” at the end. :-)
Hey thanks...all videos should always end with a ballet...😅
Your transition at 9:00 just about made me knock my phone across the room 😂 I thought it was falling and went to catch it and ended up just flinching like a lunatic trying to catch a phone that wasn’t falling 😆 Great video! Happy to have found your channel
*clicks subscribe*
HAHAHA!! That's a first for me! Never got a comment about my transitions 😅 Welcome in the group! 👍
@VinyB57 is back! Hurray!
Never been gone...😉
FANTASTIC!! - Nice... Absolutely LOVE this video! Thank you!
I've got an old 1970s Massey Ferguson 135 (Gas, updraft) - with no power steering.
Not nearly as hard to turn as yours, but still, no fun at all.
I've done a LOT of brush clearing with it, it's definitely a workhorse.
I need to fix the clutch throw-out bearing now (oh, yay) - as well as the hydraulic lift... (it's making a poketa-poketa-poketa sound...)
Recommendations appreciated!
Glad it inspired you! Good luck with your old 1970 MF! I was that 🤏 close to buy one....gas too...but it was took big for my small yard...and I'll miss the diesel smell 😅
Consider adding heat pipes. (Copper tubes with a small amount of water sealed under a vacuum that rejects heat quickly) or maybe add some aluminum heat sinks to it…or 12v fan
aluminium fins could be an idea!
Amazing.... every original idea I think I had, someone has beat me to it and posted a CZcams video of themselves doing it. Sub'ed.
Viny B with other great project! Buckle up for this hayride!
Thanks man! 👍
All I can say is, Wow! Impressive!
Thanks you! Glad you appreciated!
Le pire moment pour le steering est avec le bucket plein ;) ....Hate de voir ton setup de bucket et fourche!! J'ai décider d'aller avec le kit standard SSQA pour le mien pcq dispo a bon prix au dealer.
Salut Max, c'est quoi le kit SSQA, je ne suis pas familier avec ce produit et avec un recherche google, je ne suis pas plus sûr de ce que c'est? Si t'avais un lien...je suis curieux 😉
@@VinyB57 SkidSteerQuickAttach standard pas mal dans l'industrie pour les attachement de SkidSteer(bobcat) et que la majorité des tracteur de "petite dimension": Du sous-compact jusqu'a 80-100hp genre. ... tu peut trouver des plaque pret a souder, mais avec ton tour, milling, soudeuse tu peut faire ca facilement.
Very cool project, thanks for sharing!
Hey thanks man!
Awesome video. I have the exact tractor and yes parts are hard to find. But the Tractor was also duplicated by two other manufacturers. Allis Chalmers and another.
Nice Bondhus Allen set!
Even your wife will be able to use it now ! Good job !
🤣🤣🤣...good one... She don,t drive manual...🙄
Great project and work
my baby 1010mf is drooling over here in northern maine.
It,s simply not the same machine with that power steering! Poor little 1010, it should get one too! 😉
I have the same model. My steering failed when the sector gear lost several teeth... Water leak entered and ruin the pinion ... zero parts.
I converted it to a hydrostatic system.
Good ol' GM ePAS - that thing gets everywhere! I have it's silghtly earlier brother in the Cobra - very common over here as the ePAS units are plentiful in Vauxhall Corsa B (mine) or Corsa C (looks like yours)
Thanks for the info! 👌
Great entertainment as always Viny. Thanks! 😊
Thanks man! 🤙
First visit to your channel. Liked your idea to incorporate electric power steering.
Glad you liked it! 🤘
Hello from the Netherlands.
thanks for the video Viny.
Sincerely Hollandduck
Well done! I’m impressed.
Another great video, and a very nice tractor.
Thank you very much!
Great work! I just picked up one of these tractors myself and was wore my arms right out after digging with it for a few hours…. Where abouts in Canada are you?
Seems like since your tractor has hydraulics that maybe a hydraulic booster could be added to the steering system with less work; maybe not. Worth exploring.
Episode intéressant ! J'ai une direction électrique de Renault Clio qui attend d'être montée sur la Bel Air de 56 et j'ai le boitier d'adaptation. Juste il faut que je m'y mette ... Par contre pour enlarge my c'est déjà fait.
Great video. What a cool project.
Thank you, glad you like my new project!
If you are keeping tractor outside, put some can on the exhaust pipe after the use or something like that. Otherwise rain water could get in the motor and damage it
I made 2 new versions of that muffler, go have a look at the pallet fork attachment video to see it!
Very Cool and so interesting nice job 👍
I believe you have inspired me. What about installing a larger computer fan to blow air across the motor of the steering assembly. When the tractor is running, you would never hear it.
Good idea! But I played a lot more with this setup and heat is not the biggest issue now...I kinda destroyed the pignon gear and it's bearing....🤦♂️
Ooooh.@@VinyB57
good job meysam😉
Very cool project !!!
Thanks! 🤙
Good information there! Do you have additional information about what other salvageable electric power steering options are good - from other vehicles?
I gave you, pretty much all I know!
Hi is it possible to get blue prints or the design of the “Flying machine” ?
Absolutely not! 😅 Sorry, not safe enough!
Should have coupled the power unit directly to the shaft the half moon gear was mounted to, and got rid of the pinion gear all together
@10:58 .. the squeal 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was my manly-man-surprise-sound! 🤦♂️
Is it possible that electric motor draws a lot of amps, and maybe the wiring and or alternator in the tractor might not be enough for it therefore it’s getting hot?
Yes, I'll have a look on this, and maybe get bigger wires 👍
How do you not shear the key at the bottom of the tractor for the wishbone steering?
Pretty cool idea.
Thanks! 👍
Complimenti per il lavoro !!
what if you allow air to flow through the inside of the motor or devise cooling of some sort?
I'd like to add electric steering to my 65' Dodge. It has hydraulic steering now and works just fine, but,,, I want to go with a manual steering rack and this same or similar, electric column under my dash...
Outstanding!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video man 💯 👍
Finally! Found your new video! Try again and put on the notification bell! Did a great job! But are you buying a farm? Going to be a farmer... Farmer Viny...😉...
Have a question for you as always....- what kind of machine in your arsenal could you not do with out?
And yes, do you like football or soccer....or needther.....- because my cousins son is drafted to Vancouver Redblacks - Lucas Lavin.... just to get it out there....😁🤪🤔😉
I'm a big F1 fan, don't follow soccer or football, or even hockey....I know a Canadian not following hockey, how profane of me 😉. Of all my tools, it would be my computer...I know, not the answer you were looking for, but I'm designing almost all my projects on it and it's a game changer, it saves me a ton of time, frustration and money. That's also my day job as a mechanical designer, so gotta love working in front of a screen. But I enjoy working on my lathe, on my freaking big milling machine and on my CNC plasma. Hate to grind tho! 🤦♂
Did the motor get hot while the steering dial was set at max input?
Awesome! Digging the humor. Looking forward to the next ones.
Hi Viny, Thank you for making this video. My dad wants to do this to his Farmall Super C. Question is there any reason why you chose the 2006 Saturn View for the power steering unit? My dad would like to know. Thank you, Trish
That’s bad ass!
Hey thanks man! 👍
If this is the tractor I think it is it's made by Yanmar to Massey Ferguson's specs. I was looking at a similar unit at the local Kubota dealer last year before I got my new Massey Ferguson GC 1723E from the local MF dealer. The only difference is the tractor I was originally looking at was a Allis Chalmers model of the same machine. When I did research on it supposedly Yanmar made the same tractor for Massey Ferguson, Allis Chalmers and Bolens. The only difference between the three besides the colors and branding were the hood/bonnet design. Other than that they were they same machine in different clothing with the same 2-cylinder diesel in it. :)
How is it holding up over time/use? I'm thinking about doing similar on my IH B414 so I can get a loader on it and to help out in the woods but wondering how durable it would be under heavier use.
Haha, yep, I’m in the same predicament, have a B414 loader tractor and wow it is a hard tractor to steer, even while it’s moving it’s rough. I’m from Australia
Awesome video! I have a mf220 pretty much identical machine I've been trying to figure out a way to put power steering in... Thank you for this video I haven't put much thought into keeping the original linkage and adding eps. Are things still working good and anything you would do different?
For now everything looks pretty good! It's a game changer for dribing these little tractor and it's a ''simple'' modification!
On steering wheel shaft use brake cleaner.
Very cool! Mike c
Thanks, Viny B
Can you add a computer case fan to the underneath of the dash...or one end of the p/s unit...to blow cooling air over the p/s unit?
Probably 90% of steering effort in a normal road going vehicle is in a straight line...sothe p/s is not "working"...
whereas you are now using the p/s to turn 90 degree corners every 30 seconds or less......
I have a 30 year old heavy diesel powered SUV with hydraulic p/s...worm and ball mechanism...
and it tracks nice and straight with minimal movement/input by me on straight 100kmh tarmac roads..
Recently we bought a 2004 station wagon with electric p/s...and it "wanders" much more at 100kmh....
so easy to overcorrect and progress in sinuous curves....
on a dead straight piece of tarmac road!
I just about need one of those "effort adjusters"....
perhaps manufacturers should have taken note of the automatic effort adjuster in the Citroen SM p/s from the 1970's?
Sure! But I ve been running like this for a few months now, And Its just fine like this, thanks for your comment
I thought you said it overheated???@@VinyB57
Cool project, probably the only MF tractor with electric power steering. At first I thought you where going to use the Prius steering unit everybody else uses.
What happens if the power steering hits the end travel in the halfmoon- gear below?, I hope it stops at too much force...
I heard that in the Prius it turns into limp mode when its not connected to the ecu and have like half the power...that s what I heard tho🤷♂️ Well while testing, I went to the end of stroke hard and I broke some teeth on the pignon...stupid me!! But I got a spare one for way too much money! 🤦♂️ So good call!
As tu mis un fuse holder pour mettre une fuse??pour proteger le circuit ,surement que oui ,combien d ampère la fuse??
great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Ahahhahah "" oh tabarnaque "" mesaemblais tu avais un petit accent 😂 jadore tes videos @!
Hey merci Sam! 🤙
If you use the adjustable pot for power steering force, does it change the tactile 'feedback' from the steering? I hate driving rental cars with electric power steering, but if there was more wheel feedback, it might be interesting for other projects.
Great for your tractor of course. Thanks for the video!
Well you really feel it, It's harder when the POT is at a low setting. I always run it full on!
@@VinyB57 I was going to say that those potentiometer based (usually a 555 timer inside) controllers are notorious for 'drift' - as they heat up the assistance varies - and there's a much better speed sensitive controller which mimicks the original ECU/speed feed etc using a speedo pulse.
Then I remembered this is a tractor, not a race car.. and you run it full-on anyway :)
Question: Does the EPS as removed from the donor vehicle have a limit ie 3 turns and then comes up against a stop or can it be turned indefinitely ?
To infinity and beyond!!! 😅 No bump stop, if I wasn t clear 😉
bonjour cousin , je suppose que pour les connections de la colonne de direction d'origine et du volant sur la colonne de direction assistée , tu as sécurisé plus que " tapi tap pap " : vissage ou goupille élastique style mécanindus ? sinon bravo pour le boulot et comme toujours pour la finition qui laisse toujours l'impression du montage d'origine . Un moteur de direction plus puissant et des fils d'alimentation du moteur de direction plus gros ne seront peut être pas de trop . Encore bravo cousin . A bientôt . Signé Jacques , un maudit français
Salut Jacques, oui oui, j'ai soudé la bague au power steering, il y a pas mal de couple qui passe par ces composantes. Je vais regarder pour avoir de plus gros fils et me brancher directement sur la batterie... ça peu aider.
I have a 2 wheel drive MF 210. I have had the electric power steering unit from a Nissan Sentra for some time and thanks to your video , I am finally putting it on . By the way what is the model number for the front end loader ? Thanks for the Video and good work . Cheers
Hey thanks, glad you liked the video, unfortunately, I have no idea what is the loader number...
Found the identification plate, it's a MF216 for the loader
Thanks. I have my unit mounted and will be finishing it up soon. I hope to have it back on the tractor in a few days. I have taken some pictures but not sure how to post them . Thanks for the motivation I needed to get it done. Cheers.
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Great work and bs!
Is 120$ cheaper than $120?
🤣...maybe!
Yes of course as long as you always drive in reverse
That's false advertising. A little box does not cool down a big room. It might cool you off but not the room.
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tu est dans quel coin?
Québec!
sa j avait deviner, cantons de l est? laurentides?@@VinyB57 region de Qc?
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You are a part of the people that DO NOT know how to express money written in America especially when you know the video will be played in America. The way you expressed it 120$ is totally wrong. In the future videos that you know will be shown in America the way we Americans express written amount of money is this way and ONLY this way. Two hundred dollars will be written this way $200.00. Learn it, use it, do it this way. Also,you are not the only one that does not know how to express the US dollar correctly.
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Now go change your diaper