Hey Warren, great work at troubleshooting. Sure takes a long time to figure out the problem doesn’t it. But you’re the man to do it! Thanks much for our video.
I haven't watched the whole video, so I assume you found something wrong other than the sensor. I have run into a similar problem with trailer ABS sensors. Since the sensor is a generator, it's possible that even 1ohm of line resistance may cause the variation between input and output readings. I don't know ANY of the particulars for your tractor, like how wide the allowable voltage variation is, so this is pure speculation based on general electrical principle. Always interesting to watch your troubleshooting videos!👍
I work on dirt equipment, and electrical crap is the biggest issue. Farm equipment doesn't need all this crap it's one thing or another that always gives up the ghost. Great work again, Warren keep posting we all learn so mush from you😊
I'm an Aerospace Engineer, been involved in all sorts of projects, troubleshooting etc. This fascinates me, subscribed and binge watched quite a few videos so far 😅. You've got quite the skill set, keep it up.
Warren, you are a Wizard when it comes to this type of Diagnostics. Crows Foot Toque wrench. Tac a socket to an open end wrench. That's why you save broken tools. A snapped wrench and a cracked socket. Thank you
Man, we had the most rediculously tough harnesses for military electronics. I wish manufacturers used the tougher wire insulation. And we used to use a lot of cabling with multiple wires in the same flat molded cable...and some were twisted for noise immunity. That stuff was a bear to strip, but it really lasted.
On the MX magnums a quirky things can happen if the w wire on the alternator isn't giving the right reading for engine rpm. The PTO will run 6 seconds and quit. It happened to me when I didn't have the right wire on the W terminal. The dealer had it happened when the wrong size alternator pulley was used and they had get the original pulley back on.
I was going to mention that I noticed you using your harbor freight air chuck. They work great and are cheap. Also you should get a clean piece of cardboard and put it in the front window to shade the tractor cab.
Nice work going through the lengthy process of elimination. I'll bet most non-mechanic people have no idea how much effort and time it takes to figure out mechanical problems in modern machinery. Great effort and work on determining the issue with this.
You found the problem....I have seen on MX tractors that have a problem with the PTO kicking off that it's sometimes related to the alternator belt. Apparently it compares alternator speed and PTO speed and shuts off the PTO if it sees a difference. If the belt slips it causes the error. Not a great design.
When it comes to ohm testing and electrical diagnostic there is always a range provided. When it pertains to solenoids the resistance changes with temperature. It is very important to test your leads before every by touching them together and verify that they have 0 ohms or as close to 0 ohms as possible. I can't even count how many times I have been asked to help troubleshoot electrial problems and when I test the persons leads they have 4-20 ohms of resistance and everything they have previously tested must be tested again. When it comes to coils and solenoids I have a personal rule to replace the part if it varies by 5% more than the stated specification. Another common thing I see when it comes to electrical diagnostics is people not understanding how to properly set or use their multimeter. People get confused with range settings on meters without auto ranging or people get confused when the meter changes range from ohms to kiloohms, they do not understand that 5k ohms and 5000 ohms is the same thing. Harbor Freight has an optical tachometer that works pretty good.
It's hard to believe that there are those who don't know 5k ohms and 5000 ohms are the same thing! But there are a lot of things that don't surprise me these days where schools are more concerned teaching about gender issues than teaching kids what they should be taught Math, English, Science, etc. Well i suppose it will make the politically correct go insane with me saying English but.....
All RIGHT!!! I've finally managed to join the membership team after trying for a week!! Thank you for the video Warren, hope my membership helps you. 👍
Nice to see you can borrow parts from your fellow customers to help find the problems sooner and not have to buy parts for nothing great work Warren ....
You sir, have the patience of a saint, nice job of trouble shooting a problem. I do enjoy watching the trouble shoot vids, thanks for the time and effort you put into videos Warren, appreciate them all.
Thorough...tenacious..patient...and CLEVER EXPERIENCED TECH...YOU KNOW MUCH OF THE COMMON DESIGN HABITS...BUT MAYBE ITS TIME FOR AN OSCILLOSCOPE..? Carry on
Thank you for the video Warren, I learn all the time on this channel, wealth of knowledge. Mechanics have a list of people they call when they are stuck you would be at the top if mine.
Ptf manuals suck to use in the field but it sure is easier than trying to carry around a stack of manuals. But I admit that I often print out parts that I'm actually using. I'm to old to go back and forth all day and I can't trust that I'll remember the complex instructions.
was going to say the the same thing about printing out the pages you need, and take them to the machine. I do it for tq charts and electrical troubleshooting all the time
That manual is like an escape room, where you have to find clues that will lead you out. But the manual has extra stuff to divert you from the desired solution. OMG. I hope you escape.
I am going to say something about tightening bolts and torque wrenches. To all the keyboard experts out there that have never done any wrenching but jump at any chance to criticize people...JUST TIGHTEN THE DAMN THING UP!!! If you don't know what tight is and what loose is you don't have enough experience. If I am tightening up rod bolts or main bolts and have a torque wrench handy, I will use it. For some stupid plug or bolt or whatever, Just Tighten It Up!!
i willn bet if a tractor co bring a new tractor on the market that has no eletrones just plane old school with the horse power ,cab,heat and air it would sell.
💯 ya need to get an oscilloscope. Your sharp enough to pick it up fast. Ohm test is just one way to test something. That is a 2 wire ac sensor. They can loose their amplitude of the output. With a scope you can get a waveform and especially if you have another machine to pull known good waveform from it's easy to test without going through that flow chart. Those flow charts suck and I mean for automobiles hardly ever are they right
Just had to replace the alternator on my mx200 my son was running it on the plows shut it off to eat lunch started it back up and it wouldn't move because the transmission wasn't reading the same rpm as engine
I have one of those ford timing tools. I can send you a pic of what it looks like. It doesnt show any numbers. It just has a light that lights up when on TDC
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 I did dang computer stuff it’s like they all got together and said electrical stuff can’t be returned so let’s make it all electric stuff
Thank you for the lesson, I really appreciate it. Where do you get the repair manuals or the program you use? From what I see, it is very complete. I would appreciate it since I also work on tractors and I need more information about manuals and programs.👍🏼
Yes ! poor alternators cause spikes in nearby wires by their own workings ,damaging COMPONENTS beyond his scope of workings . I run alternator main runs different route for that reason ,computers fail if voltage is not properly regulated .
Nice. We are working on our new holland tg 230 that has a faulty arm rest controller which has been discontinued as well. Apparently there is a Canadian company that builds them but of course cnh wants to work with them so the prices doubled according to the dealer
I willing to bet that old alternator might have fried that controller, seeing as though it takes RPM readings from it to calibrate itself. Zap and puff the magic smoke.
Hi warren have made a boobo ant turnd off coments did you pick your light up when you left the newholland tractor you were spot on when spke about it beeing thight in the tractor 👍✌
I can’t join either and after lots of research found google doesn’t support iOS operating system which is my iPad so I’m SOL the button they talk about doesn’t exist for me,frustrating
MFG flow charts can be a pain in the ass to follow, you should get yourself an oscilloscope. They are a life saver when checking sensors and intermittent power issues.
I also hate PDF’s on my laptop. What I’ve found is to use a cheap tablet and have all the manuals on it. That way you can bookmark and it’s more portable and the battery lasts for hours.
Had loose terminal on ref wire at alternator on our Mx 135 and it would shut off randomly tightened up terminal fitment haven’t had issue since believe I was getting that 67 code
Warren, internet has the same problems as far back to early 2000 on the MX120, same issues. Even on newer 120s. Can you check those issues and shorten your time.
So, a bad PTO module makes the tractor unable to move. Can it be unplugged so at least the farmer could use the tractor on non-PTO operated equipment? If not, that's absolute bullshit. These things have gotten overly complicated. At one time tractors had all gear driven PTO's and probably just a selector for 540 and 1000 RPM. Our old tractors back on the farm only had single speed PTO's. More than half a century ago!
Hey Warren, great work at troubleshooting. Sure takes a long time to figure out the problem doesn’t it. But you’re the man to do it! Thanks much for our video.
That procedure is definitely long and drawn out.
@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 safe travels bud have a good one
I haven't watched the whole video, so I assume you found something wrong other than the sensor.
I have run into a similar problem with trailer ABS sensors. Since the sensor is a generator, it's possible that even 1ohm of line resistance may cause the variation between input and output readings. I don't know ANY of the particulars for your tractor, like how wide the allowable voltage variation is, so this is pure speculation based on general electrical principle.
Always interesting to watch your troubleshooting videos!👍
I thought I was the only one for leads to get tangled 😀
Nice job 👍
The way you attack electric problems is something to be proud of
Hi Warren
I don't need any special perks, I just wanted to help reward you for the time it takes you to do the video.
Thank you for the support.
I work on dirt equipment, and electrical crap is the biggest issue. Farm equipment doesn't need all this crap it's one thing or another that always gives up the ghost. Great work again, Warren keep posting we all learn so mush from you😊
Thanks for all your effort Warren. I really appreciate and enjoy your content.
I'm an Aerospace Engineer, been involved in all sorts of projects, troubleshooting etc. This fascinates me, subscribed and binge watched quite a few videos so far 😅. You've got quite the skill set, keep it up.
Thank you.
Warren, you are a Wizard when it comes to this type of Diagnostics. Crows Foot Toque wrench. Tac a socket to an open end wrench.
That's why you save broken tools. A snapped wrench and a cracked socket. Thank you
Man, we had the most rediculously tough harnesses for military electronics. I wish manufacturers used the tougher wire insulation. And we used to use a lot of cabling with multiple wires in the same flat molded cable...and some were twisted for noise immunity. That stuff was a bear to strip, but it really lasted.
Great video, love these troubleshooting videos, amazing how you can stay focused jumping back and forth on pages and still video
On the MX magnums a quirky things can happen if the w wire on the alternator isn't giving the right reading for engine rpm. The PTO will run 6 seconds and quit. It happened to me when I didn't have the right wire on the W terminal. The dealer had it happened when the wrong size alternator pulley was used and they had get the original pulley back on.
Great video Warren really enjoy watching you troubleshoot the electrical problem on this tractor. Thanks for sharing stay safe Warren.
Detailed troubleshooting and good video edits like this are why I keep coming back!
On those PDF manuals I always open several tabs on the manual that way I can switch back n forth from pages. Thanks for the Video Warren!
I was going to mention that I noticed you using your harbor freight air chuck. They work great and are cheap. Also you should get a clean piece of cardboard and put it in the front window to shade the tractor cab.
Nice work going through the lengthy process of elimination. I'll bet most non-mechanic people have no idea how much effort and time it takes to figure out mechanical problems in modern machinery. Great effort and work on determining the issue with this.
You found the problem....I have seen on MX tractors that have a problem with the PTO kicking off that it's sometimes related to the alternator belt. Apparently it compares alternator speed and PTO speed and shuts off the PTO if it sees a difference. If the belt slips it causes the error. Not a great design.
In my experience a lot of equipment uses the alternator for tach signal we had one that the brake back up hydro pump would run all the time
I’m late to the video, busy week in hay. Thanks for taking us along
You be getting old warren, needing glasses 🤗 It happens to the best of us, but fortunately it happens to the worst of us too.😛
It's nice that you have such wonderful customers that are willing to help you out when needed
Thanks for everything Warren.
Best Wishes to You and Your Family.
Oh, for AI to get to the level that we can converse with the diagnostic expert system! And one that continually learns.
When it comes to ohm testing and electrical diagnostic there is always a range provided. When it pertains to solenoids the resistance changes with temperature. It is very important to test your leads before every by touching them together and verify that they have 0 ohms or as close to 0 ohms as possible. I can't even count how many times I have been asked to help troubleshoot electrial problems and when I test the persons leads they have 4-20 ohms of resistance and everything they have previously tested must be tested again. When it comes to coils and solenoids I have a personal rule to replace the part if it varies by 5% more than the stated specification.
Another common thing I see when it comes to electrical diagnostics is people not understanding how to properly set or use their multimeter. People get confused with range settings on meters without auto ranging or people get confused when the meter changes range from ohms to kiloohms, they do not understand that 5k ohms and 5000 ohms is the same thing.
Harbor Freight has an optical tachometer that works pretty good.
It's hard to believe that there are those who don't know 5k ohms and 5000 ohms are the same thing! But there are a lot of things that don't surprise me these days where schools are more concerned teaching about gender issues than teaching kids what they should be taught Math, English, Science, etc. Well i suppose it will make the politically correct go insane with me saying English but.....
All RIGHT!!! I've finally managed to join the membership team after trying for a week!! Thank you for the video Warren, hope my membership helps you. 👍
Not a truck driver or farmer but you are a super mechanic love your videos
Another great video. Thanks Warren.
Hello buddy!! Wish could give you more support! Tool supplies dog treats! Say hi to wife for her support of all the hard work/time you put in!
Nice to see you can borrow parts from your fellow customers to help find the problems sooner and not have to buy parts for nothing great work Warren ....
Don't you just love electrical problems. They sure do take some sorting out .😯😯.
Good job you have got some information at hand 👍👍👍
You sir, have the patience of a saint, nice job of trouble shooting a problem. I do enjoy watching the trouble shoot vids, thanks for the time and effort you put into videos Warren, appreciate them all.
Thanks Warren for the content!
It's great when you have really good customers that will help you out when you're in a pinch.
Thorough...tenacious..patient...and CLEVER EXPERIENCED TECH...YOU KNOW MUCH OF THE COMMON DESIGN HABITS...BUT MAYBE ITS TIME FOR AN OSCILLOSCOPE..?
Carry on
I've seen a lot of guys with scopes who can't fix shit
I got some 3x reading glasses from the drug store for real small work.
Works well. Thanks for the videos Warren.
Thank you for the video Warren, I learn all the time on this channel, wealth of knowledge. Mechanics have a list of people they call when they are stuck you would be at the top if mine.
Ptf manuals suck to use in the field but it sure is easier than trying to carry around a stack of manuals. But I admit that I often print out parts that I'm actually using. I'm to old to go back and forth all day and I can't trust that I'll remember the complex instructions.
was going to say the the same thing about printing out the pages you need, and take them to the machine. I do it for tq charts and electrical troubleshooting all the time
Great content, very interesting diagnostic. give the pups a pat !
Theres one thing warren you're getting you're steps in on this job very informative video
Morning Warren! Kindest regards,Bill 🇨🇦🇨🇦
That manual is like an escape room, where you have to find clues that will lead you out. But the manual has extra stuff to divert you from the desired solution. OMG. I hope you escape.
Warren thank you for working as hard as you do and you've taught me a lot I've had to teach myself how to work on stuff
I am going to say something about tightening bolts and torque wrenches. To all the keyboard experts out there that have never done any wrenching but jump at any chance to criticize people...JUST TIGHTEN THE DAMN THING UP!!! If you don't know what tight is and what loose is you don't have enough experience. If I am tightening up rod bolts or main bolts and have a torque wrench handy, I will use it. For some stupid plug or bolt or whatever, Just Tighten It Up!!
20 ft pounds is a half a ughh. Lol good job Warren. Showing the reality of a field tech!!
Hello Warren. We have had troubles with speed sensor. We don't do the diagnosis some polish geazer does it for us. It's a good tractor though.
Well done, a very good teaching video. It sure helps me to fix basic electrical stuff on our farm.
i willn bet if a tractor co bring a new tractor on the market that has no eletrones just plane old school with the horse power ,cab,heat and air it would sell.
Hello Warren,
You are enjoy doing this type work . I have herd you say it many times.
thanks for your video
💯 ya need to get an oscilloscope. Your sharp enough to pick it up fast. Ohm test is just one way to test something. That is a 2 wire ac sensor. They can loose their amplitude of the output. With a scope you can get a waveform and especially if you have another machine to pull known good waveform from it's easy to test without going through that flow chart. Those flow charts suck and I mean for automobiles hardly ever are they right
Yes Needs Oscilloscope See What A Blind Man Can SEE For 35 Years I Used To Find Problems SO Fast !
Here we go, you need this and you need that!!
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Just Be Stupid Ok
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Ok Just Be Stupid
He Don't Want Any Help
Well done for persevering with this it would of really frustrated me
whew that marathon t-shootin! great stuff!
Just had to replace the alternator on my mx200 my son was running it on the plows shut it off to eat lunch started it back up and it wouldn't move because the transmission wasn't reading the same rpm as engine
Warren!super vid today,it was fun right there with ya, see ya on the next one.
Nice job Warren. Lookin forward to the next one
Take a known good part and put it on, glad you have friends
I love you're chanel and admire you're knowledge, all we need is a Tesla tractor to make it harder..
warn, all i can say ,you Sir make my day with your vids
I have one of those ford timing tools. I can send you a pic of what it looks like. It doesnt show any numbers. It just has a light that lights up when on TDC
Yo sir good job .. i love reading through the comments and reading your replies to to CZcams certified mechanics lol. Happy sunday😊
Warren you make it look easy ...
Great video warren ,thx for sharing
Been years ago kinda same problem and best i remember was damn relay Don’t remember for sure TBI injury tend to forget some stuff lol
If you watch the video to the end you will see what the problem is.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 I did dang computer stuff it’s like they all got together and said electrical stuff can’t be returned so let’s make it all electric stuff
Great job sir thanks you for taking us along
Wonder what would have happened if the dealer had of looked at that. Parts cannon incoming !!
Thank you for the lesson, I really appreciate it. Where do you get the repair manuals or the program you use? From what I see, it is very complete. I would appreciate it since I also work on tractors and I need more information about manuals and programs.👍🏼
Rockshaft housing is removable to service pto we had the shift collar dowl pins break and had to pull apart on our mx135
Awesome video thanks Warren very much appreciated top job 🚜🛠️🚜🛠️🚜🇬🇧🇺🇲 regards from England
Makes you wonder if something with the alternator caused this module and the park solenoid to go bad. Thanks Warren!
Yes ! poor alternators cause spikes in nearby wires by their own workings ,damaging COMPONENTS beyond his scope of workings . I run alternator main runs different route for that reason ,computers fail if voltage is not properly regulated .
That was quite the diagnosis to test all that stuff. It nice to find the problem but I am sure the replacement controller isn’t cheap
Have to send this one off to get repaired, been discontinued.
Nice. We are working on our new holland tg 230 that has a faulty arm rest controller which has been discontinued as well. Apparently there is a Canadian company that builds them but of course cnh wants to work with them so the prices doubled according to the dealer
late to the show here Warren but wouldn't miss your videos🚜
Thanks for sharing the troubleshooting
I willing to bet that old alternator might have fried that controller, seeing as though it takes RPM readings from it to calibrate itself. Zap and puff the magic smoke.
You could use electric spray cleaner if you have any for the oil that's on them or brake cleaner - suggestion only
Hi warren have made a boobo ant turnd off coments did you pick your light up when you left the newholland tractor you were spot on when spke about it beeing thight in the tractor 👍✌
Anyone else notice the front left tyre is on backwards? Nice deduction Mr Warren "Sherlock"
Another Great Video, Warren. I have not found a join button to add a membership. How do I join? Thanks for the Videos.
I can’t join either and after lots of research found google doesn’t support iOS operating system which is my iPad so I’m SOL the button they talk about doesn’t exist for me,frustrating
Warren check out the ase wave terminal pin kit. Makes doing wiring way better
It's always an adventure!
MFG flow charts can be a pain in the ass to follow, you should get yourself an oscilloscope. They are a life saver when checking sensors and intermittent power issues.
Great video Warren
I also hate PDF’s on my laptop. What I’ve found is to use a cheap tablet and have all the manuals on it. That way you can bookmark and it’s more portable and the battery lasts for hours.
Had loose terminal on ref wire at alternator on our Mx 135 and it would shut off randomly tightened up terminal fitment haven’t had issue since believe I was getting that 67 code
An o2 sensor socket should fit that sensor. I believe they are 1 inch
i noticed that the left front tire is mounted backwards. Looks like new rubber all the way around on that machine.
How’s the membership so far Warren. Is it working out do you think. ?
Yes, so far I like it. It's a work in progress.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 Yep. Hopefully build the numbers up after a period. I’m well pleased with it!!
@@trevormansfield6495Still no one has told me how to go about joining !
@@CrimeVidIt's on the "Join" button. Lol
Warren, internet has the same problems as far back to early 2000 on the MX120, same issues. Even on newer 120s. Can you check those issues and shorten your time.
Not 100% sure but 5xxx maxxum series had to split to rebuild pto, mx series can do clutches out the back..
Great videoi
I have to wear my old man glasses all the time
Thanks for another interesting diagnostic video Warren
I find it's easier to print out the PDF to old fashion paper and use it like an old school paper service manual
Another great vid
Yes for Sure Warren Indeed I'll be 64 in September. So how Old are you now?
Thanks for the video
How do you become a member of the channel and what is the cost?
If you have an iPhone you won't see the join button on my home page, you'll have to get a desktop or laptop to join. It's 2.99 a month.
Can you tell me what you are using for tractor diagnostic? Where did you get it? I have mostly John Deere equipment
So, a bad PTO module makes the tractor unable to move. Can it be unplugged so at least the farmer could use the tractor on non-PTO operated equipment? If not, that's absolute bullshit. These things have gotten overly complicated. At one time tractors had all gear driven PTO's and probably just a selector for 540 and 1000 RPM. Our old tractors back on the farm only had single speed PTO's. More than half a century ago!
Case is new holland. All parts are CNH box. Means case new holland
Yes, and? I know what the acronym stands for.
@@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353 ok just letting you know in case didn’t lol figured you did but had to say it just in case anyway have good day
THank you....
You might try a O2 socket in a 1"
I noticed an empty Post with a nut on it on the Alternator??