Can my Surron Ultra Bee go 30 miles on mostly technical single track?
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2023
- I attempted a 30 mile ride on an annual group ride in Idaho. Mostly single track with about 7 miles of fire road.
Lots of up and down and plenty of technical stuff. - Sport
This is exactly what I needed to know. Real world experience. I really appreciate you posting your experiences on CZcams, Please keep it up. This is super helpful to people thinking about making the switch to electric. I have already dove in, but there are heaps of folks understandably on the fence and this is helping them make an informed and unbiased decision based onreal world experience. It is awesome to hear this stuff from a long time dirt biker.
Took my first Ultra Bee ride on 6-9-23. Took my 15th ride yesterday. Live in Hood River, Oregon. Have 261 miles on it so far and it continues to exceed all of my expectations. My rides are mainly on tight, twisty single track that is rocky and rooty with lots of ups and downs. Never rode it with the 19 inch tires. Bought the KKE 18/21 wheelset from Charged Cycle Works. Had 18/21's on my previous Light Bee and loved them. Have a 54 tooth sprocket and roller chain on order. Still have not figured out the range yet. Yesterday rode 27 miles and had 29% battery remaining. Nice to see that you easily made 30 miles!
I am at a 109 miles and have had it for 3 weeks and also never rode it with the 19's. Your range should improve quite a bit with the sprocket and change upgrade. This bike loves the tight techy stuff.
Happy riding Henry!
I live in the same area (I'm over in Hillsboro) planning to buy a couple of them. Wish I could find somewhere to rent them though.
Thanks, this is really helpful. I was thinking about upgrading my modified Talaria MX3. I regularly get 30+ miles on steep, rocky mountain trails here in NZ with my 60V 72Ah chi battery so maybe not worth it. Cheers
I'll echo what some of the others who have stumbled onto your Ultra Bee content have said and thank you for sharing raw, real-world practical examples and insights. I'm an avid mountain biker in Arizona but we also have some family property in the woods where family members ride their dirt bikes. I've never owned one but ride a little bit, but don't appreciate all the noise they make on residential portions of the fire roads we use them on. I'm considering a similar setup to this as my first dirtbike purchase to enjoy the trails earlier mornings before the gas bikes and side by sides get out there, but also need to be able to keep up when my in-laws bring their 250s up, etc. It's exactly this kind of content and feedback that helps with the research and purchase decision. Cheers from the desert!
Cheers Blaine! Super stoked that you are enjoying the content and really appreciate your comment! Glad I could help.
lovely video, lovely nature .. reminds me a lot of the nature I'm regularly fighting with on a the Balkan (particularly: Furska gora) .. on a mountain bike though (as in bicycle) .. nope not kidding, and yes I can see how steep this is from the trees, and of course going slower than this .. but have to admit, in sincere admiration, I'm impressed an electric bike can even take this in the first place 💜
Awesome riding, awesome trail, awesome bike!
Purchased my Ultra Bee this past weekend after watching your videos. My first ride on single track in Montana I went 23 miles with a little over 5,000 feet of climbing and had 47% battery left when I returned to the trailhead. What a blast this bike is! Thanks for sharing your experience so far!
Really glad I could help and super happy that you are stoked on the bike. The range is no joke! They are pretty amazing and even my gasser friends that I ride with are impressed.
@@schreddersworld1050 Did you add the ProTaper bar pad to the stock bars or upgrade the bars as well?
@@johnsieber801 I bought Pro Taper bars. They are Woods High model.
@@schreddersworld1050 nice, looking forward to slowly customizing as well!
That was great content, the Ultra Bee is an amazing piece of kit 👍👍
Yes, it sure is John
you made that look easy ... nice video🤙🤙
Looks like you have fun .. I need it this info . Definitely getting a 53T sprocket thanks…
This content is so great - helped us make the decisions to buy a pair of ultra-bees this morning. Thanks for the great content…ours will likely be ridden on more gentler terrain :)
Glad I could help and congrats. I am sure you will enjoy them!
"Ole Sparky" is on the loose! Nice ride Schredder.
Absolutely! Definitely a fun one.
Great video!
I am making the jump from a KTM XCF 250 to the Ultra Bee.
Cheers!
Thanks and Congrats! I think you'll like it.🤠
The bike is so nice, would love to try it out. The light bee already feels so nice.
Cool track, good riding too!
And that was eco most of the time?
And: aww, sweet grey fluffy cat 😌
imagine the range these are gonna get with battery upgrades. Gonna have almost as much range per charge as most 250s can go on a 2 gallon tank.
Looks like an absolute blast!
The obvious limits of electric are range and heat. There’s a CZcamsr on O’ahu that rode some nasty trails and was constantly passing all the gas bikes that were stalled on hills or crashed.
Electric is just easier. And for a lot of riders, they don’t have the time to develop the skills to fully enjoy a gas bike. These electric bikes let you get out there and just have fun.
You can also ride pretty much anywhere any time. Do it on a 2 stroke and you end up with angry neighbors, security, police, etc.
I honestly can't say that I have had any heat problems with the Ultra or the Bee and I have ridden hillclimbs on 90 degree days. They really are cheater bikes for sure, especially with the trials tire hybrid on the rear! Last weekend I rode with a pack of riders and started out towards the rear being that I was by far the oldest and I was riding with a bunch of young bucks. By the end of the day, I was leader of the pack as everyone realized I was the fastest of the group. That ride will post in the next few days.
Great News! Thanks for rad video! Is Regen still 5 and 5?
Glad you liked it. Yes, it is still 5 and 5.
What wheels/tires are you running? Love the video and real world usage! Greatly appreciated
Thanks! I am running KKE 18 and 21" wheels with a 4.50x18 Kenda Equalibriam on the rear and a 90/100 Michelin Starcross Soft 5 on the front
Any issues with these new wheels bottoming out or rubbing on the fenders? If so are there any fixes for this? @@schreddersworld1050
I get the same hard enduro range on oem stock tires/rims and chain. 100 to 0 would be about 37-38 miles for me (same as you). Perhaps the regear completely compensates for the 18/21 wheel/tire combo? I'm about to put on my 18/21 combo without regear and retest. Did you adjust your computer for the rear wheel at all? My 18 with IRC JX8 is about an inch taller than stock 19. I also have mousse in the 21/18 which will add more weight where it hurts the most.
I do have my speedometer recalibrated to .08. It's not perfect, but pretty close. It will be interesting to see what your new range is with wheel change only. My range was not impressive. The gear and chain change is what brought the range back to what you are getting.
I never ran the stock wheels myself, so never knew what enduro range would be.
Brother, that’s great you got 30 miles with the stock battery! I wonder how many kilowatts you were using on the power setting. In sport mode I could be wrong but I think it peaks around 175 DC amps.
Are you running the Michelin star cross five or six?
I only used Sport mode on the initial hillclimb at beginning of video. Other than that is was all in "Daily" No Eco.
I am running the Starcross Soft 5 and have for many years.
question do you feel there enough power or do you wish it just had a little bit more ? and if only they had a clutch like the emotion bikes . great video
In sport mode, I am very happy with the power and do not see any need for more. ( 0-54 in about 5 seconds) I looked at the E M's close and rode one. I do not miss a clutch at all and I think it is more weight and 1 more thing to wear out or break. In sport mode this thing will pop just like if you had a clutch. Thanks
Greatly appreciated! Also curious of how long it took to go those 29,7 miles?
3 Hours and that was with 18 riders and start and stops plus waiting at the top of the hillclimb for everybody. I would say about 2 hours of pure riding time.
@@schreddersworld1050More than enough to get me tired and happy! 😅
@@swedbear4035 I absolutely agree!
I get the feeling you wanted to avoid noisy bikes lol!!
I don't mind gassers at all. The electric bike is my preference for many reasons. The noise really isn't one of them, it's just a nice biproduct.
Can you give a little bit more information on the chain upgrade? :)
What specifically would you like to know?
I go over the primary chain and the secondary chain in my mod videos and primary chain video.
Have you had a chance to ride the small class electric bikes like the Talaria Sting MX4 or the Light Bee X? I already have a Husky 250 four stroke, so I’m debating between the Ultra Bee and the Talaria Sting for trail riding and playing around on.
I rode a modified Light Bee for 3 years before buying the Ultra Bee. I have lots of videos on it.
@@schreddersworld1050 and knowing what you know now about both and having some good seat time on the Ultra Bee, if you had to pick one of the two now which would it be?
@@HardBoiledGregADV By far, the Ultra Bee
What top speed on straight flat road can you get with your chain sprocket tire setup?
I have not checked yet. I'll let you know when I do. Hopefully in the next week.
I am in Hayden Idaho and have been thinking about one of these. Do you run it in Daily mode or Sport mode most of the time when you do your range tests?
I have been running it in sport mode since last year.
I have found that there is little difference in range between D and S modes.
Have you had a chance to weigh the bike with the upgraded wheels?
No, but I am guessing she is around 200 now instead of the stock 187
Picked up my Bee. Has 8 miles. I’m getting error code AL 128 - “REGEN malfunction” and trouble shoot it says “check battery temperature and battery voltage”. All my regents are set on 4/5. It isn’t warm up here. Any ideas? Or how to check voltage?
I did not know al was for error code. Mine sometimes says al 117
To check voltage you can use a volt meter and check where you charge through or unplug battery and check there.
Where do you get the codes from?
Are you going off of the Storm Bees error code list. I wonder if the Ultra is for sure the same?
@@schreddersworld1050 117 is kickstand down.
@@schreddersworld1050 a downloadable manual from Surron Canada in English. Tried to link and can’t.
@@SWS509 Cool, Thanks!
Seems like it struggles on hills. Other then that it looks fun
It certainly doesn't lack power on the hills. If anything it is the rider. I am also running a trials tire which is not optimum this time of year.
In previous videos you can see where this bike was actually doing better on the hills than gas bikes. It is also a lot steeper than it looks through the GoPro.
when you say "roller chain" I guess you simply mean just a NON-Oring chain ?
Basically yes. There are a few hybrids out there. A roller chain is basically a plain, old school chain.
Reckon 99% of riders would rather have a real bike woth out doubt
Personally, I think your percentage is a little high. I am riding with very competent riders and am usually in the front group or in front period. They actually like my bike and have a lot of respect for it. To say this is not a real bike is a little ignorant.
Just saying
Your ignorance shows that you think this is not a real bike. This is superior to has bikes in every way save one, nearly instant range extension. But if you really need range you can get a second battery and still be under what a new gas bike costs.
I can go 388 miles between gas tanks. Lol. 30 miles . You can have power wheels. I rather have a real bike.
To each his own Mike. I know of no dirt bike in the world that can do 388 miles on a tank of gas. I also doubt that you could ride much more than 30 miles with the kind of riding that I do.
@@schreddersworld1050 I agree. True enduro riding I can't imagine running a full tank of my 500. I am usually tired and ready to head home after 25-30. But I'm old and fat lol.
@@karicallegra8194 LOL! I hear you buddy!
@@schreddersworld1050 out of curiosity, what it the felt weight like on the Ultra Bee? I've wondered if without it haveing a fuel tank up higher if that makes it "feel" a little lighter than it's advertised weight? Or still pretty similar to a regular ditbike feel?
@Karic Allegra They feel way lighter than a dirt bike. I ride a 21 TE300...there is no comparison.