Surron Ultra Bee Range Test O-Ring VS Roller Chain
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2023
- Today was a range test between the 2 chains.
The results are amazing!
On top of that, a great ride!
Feets Up!
At the start of the video, I said that I ran into a tree. Should have said that I ran into a downed tree.
Link for chain on ebay: www.ebay.com/itm/295443334219...
Link for sprocket: kkeracing.com (expensive shipping) $110.00 total.
Dirtybike racing is making them, but are out of stock
Electric Cycle Rider might be stocking the kke sprocket in the near future. - Sport
Appreciate all the info and the sharing of your experiences.
Thanks, glad I could help and share.
Great video. It’s nice to see a review with some serious trail time and not some kid reviewing the bike while cruising the neighborhood streets. This gives a much better perspective of how this bike compares to a gas-powered bike on mountain singletrack. I want one.
Thanks, I appreciate it! It definitely gets guys thinking when I ride with them.
Buy one life is short
Gas will always win in range and in races, sorry not sorry
@@dgo5929 Ok, then how is it an electric bike won the British Arenacross Championship against all gas bikes?
I raced a 2 hour enduro and still had 42% of battery left.
I get that you prefer gas bikes and that's fine.
I happen to prefer my electric for the type of riding I do. To each his/her own.
@@schreddersworld1050 How are you going to win in Hard Enduro competitions with no clutch? Even the stark varg can't keep up with 300 2-strokes. Many say that stark vargs aren't meant for hard enduro and that's the top of the line.
Yep more great content on the Ultra Bee 👍👍
Wow amazing difference!
Thanks, very helpful!
That looks like the "hot setup", as they used to say in Dirt Bike decades ago. Do you remember Super Hunky?
I'll order wheels, sprocket, chain and tyres with the UltraBee👍
Great content!! Can you make a video when you adjust speedo/odo for the wheels, tires and gearing?
I sure will!
Looks great! Can you post some links where you picked up the chain and sprocket? Thanks
It is now posted
great video, thanks a lot for the insight! Personally I think you should setup your gopro recording differently, maybe a bit lower so that you can still see the handlebars
The Dango Designs Gripper Mount for motorcycle helmets is great for this. I have one for dirt biking and love how it just clips onto the helmet and provides for a great GoPro angle.
On the surron light bee, bigger sprocket will give more range. Especially for stop and go riding
Definitely for hillclimbs and I would say for short spurts between corners on the trail. On fast straightways and fire roads, not so much.
Thanks for the videos. I just put a deposit down and should take possession of an Ultra in the next couple of weeks. I have never ridden an electric before but am looking forward to it.
Right now I ride a 2013 Husky TE310. I am not sure if I will keep it or not. I will ride the electric a bunch and see if I still need a bike with longer range or not. I can get a good chunk of cash for the Husky post CoVID so I think she is gonna go and I will be strictly electric off road.
Some advice I can give about the Ultra if you are going to ride offroad is to switch to the 21" and 18" wheels so you can get good tires. In the very least, get the 21" front as the 19" front wheel does not work very well offroad and I consider the stock tires downright dangerous for a serious offroad rider. Good Luck and enjoy the bike!
Schreddie how many links if any did you remove on the new chain when you fitted the 53 tooth sprocket ? Many thanks 👍
20 from a 120 link chain. So, you want a 100 link chain for the 53
Love the Bultaco Jersey! Would love to get one. Cool! Hey, I'm not sure if this was addressed. Because of the larger sprocket, your native mechanics on the bike will record more miles than actual. However, I think you can adjust this ratio with the Ultra Bee. Was this a consideration? Thanks for the vids, subscribed. I have an Ultra Bee on order, hope in a month or so I get mine!
Your absolutely right about the mph and odometer. I went over readjusting the dash in one of my videos. I tested the actual mph with my phone and adjusted it to .9 I believe.
Glad you like the vids and thanks for the subscription!
@@schreddersworld1050 Yes, I went through the video again and note you were adjusting for sprocket/mileage difference -- and made it very clear ... roller chain for much better distance! By the way, too. That's my kind of trail. Thanks for the video.
Great video, thank you, by the way is there a master link at the o ring chain, or do I need a chain breaker to change it ?
There is a master link if I remember correctly.. It's been a while since I swapped chains.
I could be wrong though.
I want more range its my only complaint. It does last a while but as soon as I get to the real good stuff down by the river I have to turn back out of fear of not having enough for the return trip. This is of course about 2 hours from my house so It does go a ways. That being said this bike is Phenomenal out of the box. I just saw buddy you changed your chain. This is something I feel I could accomplish maybe? never done it before.
EBMX is coming out with bigger batteries. Spendy I am sure. I do agree that the stock battery does not have the range for everybody.
Take your bike in to a motorcycle shop and buy a roller chain and have them install it. Shouldn't cost too much for the install. It might give you the range you need as it really makes a big difference.
@@schreddersworld1050 I purchased the chain im going to give it a go myself. Im headed to Montana to do some riding. I cant wait to get out there in the mountain area. Ive never enjoyed riding on somthing as much as I do this bike.
@@marcussmith4913 I'm stoked for you Marcus. I really enjoy riding mine as well! Can't wait to hear about your range with the new chain.
Just got my 21/18 wheels and tires and now thinking about the chain and sprocket. Do you know if the stock chain is long enough to fit the 50 or 53 tooth? Or if there's enough adjustability to fit it? I'll hold off on the chain until I feel the need for more range as long as the sprocket will fit without it. Also really enjoying your videos! Keep em coming.
Congrats on the wheels as they are a great mod for this bike. I know for fact that the stock chain will not work length wise with the 53. And I do not believe it would work with the 50 either, but not completely sure. Thanks for the comment on enjoying the videos! More coming.
You will need a 100 link chain to make 50t sprocket fit properly
@@schreddersworld1050 thanks for the reply
@@northsandiegorc4248 I use 100 links on my 53 tooth sprocket with room to adjust. 100 links seems too long for a 50.
Surron official said that triangular link with clash on bottoming
Just ordered the same chain to go with a 54 tooth sprocket 👍👍
Awesome John, I think you will like the change it makes, let me know what you think. Where did you get the 54 from?
He probably got it from warp9
Any issues or concerns with the belt drive?
When I was shopping for smaller eMoto's I went with a Talaria because I ride in areas with thick mud and the gearbox has handled it without issues. I really want to upgrade to the Ultra Bee but I also don't want to be doing belts if they are problematic.
I have not had any issues so far. I have not ridden in thick mud though either. I would imagine that someone will come out with a sprocket and chain upgrade for the primary and I will probably switch myself. I am more worried about the belt breaking or getting a small rock caught in it. I am told that these belts are way beefier than the light bee.
@@schreddersworld1050 Awesome, I always love to hear from owners! I mostly ride enduro, tech woods, and some fast woods. Lots of rocks, some loose stuff, and a fair amount of mud as the seasons shift. I really enjoy your videos keep'em coming!
For safety! Always ride with at least one other person
Nice Video:) How many links do you have with 50 and 53 Sprocket? And have you Rimlocks on your 18/21 Wheels?
Thanks! I have 100 links on my 53. Never had a 50.
I absolutely have rim locks. They are a must have for offroad especially.
Thx for the fast answer, i will buy a ultra bee… do you think the Range its ok? I apprehension its not
And Whats your top Speed with the 53? Sorry my english is bad. Greetings from Germany 😊
I think the range is awesome for single track riding which is all I do.
Top speed is about 54 MPH with the 53 tooth.
No problem, Greetings from the U.S.
Will you Upgrade to a 73ah battery soon?
Talking about noise. That chain does sound a lot like a two-stroke motor cycle although I am sure the volume is insignificant in comparison.
I am thinking it sounds like a turbo two stroke.
Thanks, this have been very helpful.
Have you considering looking at x-ring or z-ring options which offer less friction than o-ring, however retain some of the durability and maintenance advantages?
If you have looked into these, what was the reason for not going down that path?
I'm on the fence of what to opt for. Hence my question.
I haven't, but I will. I have run roller chains for the last 2 years with my light bee and have no issues. The chain I bought for the Ultra is a pro-x and should be high quality for 100 bucks. We'll see.
This is a great question. I’m currently building a full-size dirtbike conversion, and I went with an X ring chain. i’m not sure how much less friction would be with a roller chain if any. Honestly, I’ve never heard of a roller chain. I’ve always used O-rings in the past.
@@schreddersworld1050 Apparently the X Ring is a type of sealed roller chain en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ring_chain
@@gsu1972crew Thanks for the info. I will probably try one out next chain change.
Don’t Dab, b Happy
I ordered the chain in the link. I am only able to ride about 25 miles with the stock chain, either woods or road, so I'm hoping this will help with range.
It should definitely help. Let me know how it goes.
It will also help to lower your gearing by getting a bigger rear sprocket, especially in the woods.
@@schreddersworld1050In addition to the stock o-ring chain, I tried the non-oring chain you have installed here, I also tried the Niche X-Ring Chain. For road riding the x-ring chain is the best. It is the quietest at higher speeds, and gave me the best range. I got over 30 mi riding around 40 mph before it got below 10%. I rode another 5 mi before it stopped moving at all I had never gotten over 30 miles on this bike. The non-o-ring chain did not help with my range. At low speeds, The noise wasn't bad, but at higher speeds, this chain is very noisy. It's the only time I felt like I needed ear plugs. I did not test in the dirt. So maybe that's where the non-oring chain shines. I would expect that the x-ring would do just as well though. The x-ring chain can be bought for $35 on Amazon.
Yes, please do get back to us on range!
@@KNKLHEADNon Oring didn't help with the range on street. Didn't try dirt.
on my dr650 enduro a roller chain would stretch like crazy ...keep an eye on your tension
It has stretched on every ride except my last ride. I think it is officially broken in.
I have a Stark Varg on order but this bike seems much better for singletrack type riding....
I want to see the Stark on a MX Track Racing
I’ve ridden both and the ultra bee is…..more fun….
Was it a pain to swap your grips out? My throttle grip seems like its vulcanized to the the throttle tube 🤷🏻♂️
LOL! It was a major pain in the ass! I had to take a razor knife to it and roll the excess rubber off. It took about a half an hour.
@@schreddersworld1050 yeah mine seemed like it was molded to throttle tube which is better then the lightbee loose grips but still I want to add pillow tops and ditch factory grips
Yeah, I replaced mine with pillow tops and it was worth the hassle. Good luck
to test both types of chain would need same sprocket, the bigger sprocket gives better range also
I am not sure of that. To go the same speed with a bigger rear sprocket would require more throttle. It is geared lower.
@@schreddersworld1050 Yes, at high speeds it consumes more battery, but it saves a lot on climbs. By having more torque the motor needs less power to move the wheel.
Nice video by the way. I recommend that you lower the angle of the camera so that the bike can be seen a bit.
@@SeynGod On climbs, I would say you are absolutely right.
What would be good maintenance on a roller chainifci am just riding on the streets?
How does it do in the rain? My light bee turns off if it gets wet
I have never had an issue with either bike and I have taken the light bee through a few deep creeks as well as riding in the rain.
I’ve rode o ring and non o ring maybe there’s a little difference but I can’t do it the bike sounds like a damn chain saw, I like my e-bike to be nice and quiet
Круто!
What brand and type of roller chain did you go for ?
Pro X MX roller chain
I Love the Fact That You’re Making Videos about The SURRON ULTRA BEE, but Your Camera Resolution is So Low that it Puts a Strain on My Eyes; So it’s Getting Hard to Watch.
I’m Looking Forward to Your Future Content. 👍🏾
I will look into it. Thanks for the feedback.
I shoot mine at 2.7K (2704x1520). The trick is rendering prior to uploading to CZcams. The CZcams compression algorithms just destroy a lot of videos.
Perhaps you could send him a better camera so you can enjoy his videos more.
what sprocket u use
In that video, I used a KKE 53 tooth. I have since changed to a 54.
Cool Powerwheel, 2hp?
Actually almost 20hp and pert near 400 ft pounds of torque. One mean little powerwheel LOL!
@@schreddersworld1050 Thats odd, 20 hp would require more than 15,000 watts from the battery. That's not very possible for more than a fraction of a second. TQ is obviously geared and missleading. This is what happens when you let China manufacturers make up their own power ratings.
Those batteries are slowly loosing range everytime you recharge them, got an ebike a year ago and id say iv lost about 20% in 800km
I have not had that problem. I have had my first Sur-ron for three years and I haven't noticed any drop off. Different manufactures use different cells in their batteries. I would be curious to know what bike you have.
Also, if your bike is just sitting, it should be at 80%. Never keep your bike at 100% when sitting for a period of time. Charge fully just before using.
@@schreddersworld1050 it's not a suron it's just a fat tire ebike go go best I believe it's Panasonic battery and I use it most days tbh. I think the problem is I never drain it completely I'm always just topping it off it's only been drained completely a handful of times
Bultaco Cemoto
THE BIKE IS GREAT BUT THAT CHAIN NOISE IS SO OBNOXIOUS
I kind of like it myself, and I prefer it over the vibration and noise of a 2 stroke any day.
I bet the way the GoPro picks it up makes it sound differently than it does in person.
Hmmm, there's a reason O-ring(x) aren't used on MX bikes. They absolutely rob power. O-rings on more powerful motorcycles don't stretch as quickly. And a quality std chain won't stretch with this low HP.
Yeah it befuddles as to why they use an o-ring chain. Quality chains still stretch a little at the beginning, then settle as long as you maintain them. With this bike, though it has low HP. it has gobs of torque and that will definitely stretch a chain when it's new.
@@schreddersworld1050 Quieter and less maintenance? No befuddle here. For a seasoned pro yes in that case it would be quite befuddling.
trees can be dicks , some times
Yeah, they just jump out in front of you from nowhere!