UK Reynolds 853 Stanton Sherpa vs 4130 Chromoly Steel Stanton Sherpas - How Do They Ride?
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2022
- Reynolds 853 vs 4130 Chromoly Steel Stanton Sherpas. Reynolds 853 is a brand of chromoly steel that's designed to be lightweight, and stronger when heated. The UK-made Stanton Sherpa is pricier than the Made-in-Taiwan 4130 Steel frame. Today we explore if its worth the price difference or not, and who each one would be best for. Are you interested in getting a stanton frame at a discount? Become a bike consult patron today to claim your 5% discount. Many thanks to Stanton for sending these in for comparison.
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just saw the Ti bars on their webpage ,guess it was updated in the last hours.
Love this type of review. The Reynolds tubing bikes I have are so smooth and light. I’m not surprised by your results.
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Absolutely fantastic Steve. As a Sherpa 4130 owner, I always worried I made the wrong choice. At 150 lbs, I really could have gone either way - but I do race XC so the fact that the 4130 is snappier in the pedals make me feel I made the right choice. This video completely demonstrates the power of your vision with this channel. Thank you very much for being awesome!!!
I'm glad you love your Sherpa, it's a special bike.
thanks steve for this review. I am convinced that this (853) will be my next MTB. I'm going to order a frame and build it step by step. I'm exited, greetings from Belgium
Thanks for the information about the relationship between frame stiffness and rider weight! So much learning with your reviews!
Awesome review as usual. Love the comparisons you're doing. Very educational!
Love these back to back comparisons! Hardtail Science 🤙
Solid content Steve, great info on how to make a decision between the two
The long-awaited review of the year lol! Thanks Steve! Watching this as soon as I get home from work.
Steel vs Steel!!! Great review Steve, listening to the detail and minuet difference between the 853 and 4130 were great and you get to learn new stuff!!! All the latest videos have been on point and fantastic!!! Thank you for all your hard work, can’t wait for the next one ☝️!!!!
Thanks for the kind words Shaun
Great review, Steve. I've been eagerly waiting for this one. I purchased the 4130 late last year and even though I really like the bike, I've had moments of Ti remorse as I like a zippy bike. I was hoping this would be the Goldilocks of the three with a good blend of comfort, stiffness and price for me at 195 lbs. Sounds like I should ride the hell out of the one I have and be happy about it. So thanks for saving me some money...but those Ti bars sound sweet!
Great review Steve, your commentary is so relevant to prospective purchasers. I have the Sherpa 853 frame, and love it. Your commentary justified my purchase over the 4130. Sounds like I may have to trade up to the Ti bars. ps, I love the flamingo shirt and those Sedona trails look awesome !!
I've been hanging out for this vid, Steve. Bloody fantastic information both here and during the consultation process. I'm pleased to say that my 4130 Sherpa frame is due next week and being 95kg/205lb's I reckon I've made the right choice. Can't wait to build it up (same step cast 34 fork) and get out there!!
Excellent choice. You're going to love this thing.
Thanks for another great review Steve. Glad I went with the UK 853 Sherpa. I’m 5’6” and 142 lbs so not a heavy rider. Like you said I think it’ll compliment my Hightower and gravel bike nicely. The 3 very different bikes mean I can enjoy my local trails in 3 very different ways.
Great review and just shows how you have to ride the bikes to tease out the nuances. Still loving my Ti Sherpa but keeping on eye on the 853 for my son.
Thanks for the videos I'm planning on building a hardtail soon thanks to you 😊
Ahh, yea!
Fantastic review!
I'm 190 lbs+the cost difference was huge for me,sooo:
ordered just last week my Sherpa 4130 (my first steel ride ever!) after a lot of thought and finally with extensive help from Steve and his consultation program, super excited from this frame on the way, costume paint black, and gold decals.
That's going to be beautiful. It's been a pleasure working with you and helping you find the right bike. Thanks for the support!
Great channel Steve. Love it.
Fantastic review and amazing riding 💯🤙🏾
Love the shirt 👌 loving the apparel that Club ride puts out..
They're crushing it right now. I've got a link to 20% off all their stuff in the description.
Thanks for the great review! I am glad I made the right decision with the 853 for me, since I was looking for a comfy ride (I am about 170 pound).
Dude, I really love your videos and this one is a joy to watch. In my family we ride 90% old school steel and by that I mean 1991-1993 GT all terra (True Temper GTX tubes), Dawes (Reynolds, not sure about the exact specifications) and Rocky Mountain Blizzard (True Temper OX3/OX2) bikes. Our son really got into it once he rode my wife‘s Dawes more often and was flabbergasted by the sweet ride since all he knew before were rock hard aluminium kid’s frames.
So keep up the good work and I will keep on saving money for a sweet Stanton or Cotic. All the best from Germany, Oliver
@@r2d3vadar92 I believe you 👍 I really like the early nineties GT bikes. I would not mind trying a modern steel frame but that may take some time
Love this. I can agree with the same build/geometry between a frame nice steel can make a difference. Columbus Zona, Reynolds 853 and True Temper OX Platinum have similar ride feel from what I experienced.
Great video and feedback on the rides of all 3 frames. I'm normally 250 ish but made it down to 210 after getting the Cvd so i'm noticing a change in the way the crank force can flex the lower frame on my hardtails.
Great review! I was in the process of building up a Sherpa Ti before you reviewed the Ti version and was worried it would be too stiff when I threw a leg over it. Happy to report that compared to the 20 year old bike it replaced, it rides super compliant for me (I wonder how much of it is from my Zipp 3Zero Motos). If anyone's on the fence with any of the Sherpas and you ride long XC stuff, go for it. I'm beyond stoked on this bike!
It's such a great bike.
Excellent comments thank you.
Wow that is amazing scenery, a bit different to the green and muddy bridleways and peaty dales of the UK, would love a holiday there.....either on my Spec Chisel or 20 y/o Orange P7......Stanton Sherpa is my dream ride though. Thanks for posting.
Great video and comparison. Please make a video where you show us your personal bikes and what intended tracks you ride them on. thanx
My personal bikes change every few weeks. I rarely have them together long enough to film a video of them. I'm always stealing parts off them to complete reviews.
Holy smokes - ultimate geekery! Kudos to you for doing that investigation! Amazing content as always 😁
For anyone wondering, you can search Reynolds tubing and see all the difference between 853 and 4130 (or any Reynolds tubing for that matter). There are some minor metallurgical differences but the biggest thing that stands out to me is the heat treat process.
In short, Reynolds is essentially name brand 4130 with a specific heat treatment.
My understanding is that it is high end 631 that's further heat treated
@@jeremyatkinson4976 I think they are slightly different composition of additives, but they are both air hardened. Whatever the difference really is the 853 tubing has a significantly higher UTS than the 631 tho.
Big difference between crmo and air hardening alloys is the latter doesn't lose strength at welds. CrMo can be heat treated too.
@@seasonedsurfer23 Not according to the Reynolds website. "same chemistry"
@@visualpun650 That's what 725 and 853 are. Heat treated chromoly . They each use a different type of high grade chromoly to start with.
Have a '97 853 frame & love it❣️
Emerald green paint looks new ☆
Great review, was looking forward to this review as I got the 4130 Sherpa in December with your help, thank you again. It's almost built up, just waiting for the fork; but, good to know it's close enough to the 853 version as I probably wouldn't notice it that much. Can't wait to get on the trail with it.
Thanks Steve! This is priceless info, I love these back2back comparisons 💪
Now Stanton just need to introduce sliding dropouts 🤞🤞
They tell us they're coming.
@@hardtailparty Noice 👌!
I'm a hardtail fan and would love to buy another HT. Those ti bars are sweet. Do they have different rise options? Great vid as usual brotha
Great Review, you’ve opened my eye on so many things related to Hardtails specially steel ones that I never considered until subscribing to your Channel.
I’m glad that I have started MTB with proper guidance from your channel by understanding some geo numbers , charts , riding style , components and looking forwards to learn more.
Looking forward for more of your awesome reviews , I will definitely subscribe to your patreon service for bike consultation before purchasing a new bike.
I hope you get to review Sour Big Fun , PaceCycles RC627 they look great on paper👍🏼
Cool. This is the content I love to see.
My 2015 Kona Unit is Reynolds 853 and it's my favorite bike ever. Those TI bars are very interesting. Great review.
What is the build weight?
See the first look vid
Steve new to the channel, Old school 80's mountain biker. Love HT's. Great review series comparing the three frames. Very much enjoyed watching them.
Welcome to the party Vinny. Thanks for watching.
@@hardtailparty 👍
@@hardtailparty Does Stanton have resellers here in the United States? I am in NY.
@@vinnylivoti9567 no yet, but you can buy direct from them.
This Scherpa is getting a Sherpa! 853 should be here in 10 weeks! This review really helped me decide on which steel to get. Thanks Steve!
Awesome!
Great review! I have a gen 2 UK 853 and a gen 3 4130. I’ve put lots of hours on both and can clearly tell the more springy feel of 853. I’ve switched rear wheels (enve/hunt) to confirm. I also have a Cotic bfe max that has a blend of steels,ride feel is really nice but different then both sherpas. Britts have the steel game on point!
I agree, those cotics feel great too, just in a different way.
Love my Cotic Soul! It's 853 in the main triangle, and 4130 in the chain and seat stays. Love the way it feels. Back when I bought my Soul, I did look at Stanton frames, but the Soul was at a price point I couldn't pass up, and probably won't see again.
Great comparison, not regretting the 631 Switchback even though it took 10 months.
When do we get to see an interview with Dan Stanton? We'd love to see you pick his brain!
We'll be riding together later this year. We'll be sure to make some videos together.
Those colors sure do look nice!
Steve, great content as always! Still waiting for the Slackline review. Seeing how much of a Stanton fan you are, I would guess you'd be interested in reviewing the hardtail that started it all for them. If you're ever in the Los Angeles area, I'd be more than happy to lend you my size medium Gen 2 Slackline 853 with 2.8 Nobby Nics for you to ride and review!
I love my 4130 Slackline with carbon bars, seat post, rims, and 2.6's . . . I might try a ti bar next, but . . . wow, this is an all-time favorite.
Awesome review...how does it compare to something else steel like the SIR 9?
Thanks for the Info about the bikes and bars. I ride carbon bars cromags ,and I can feel the difference. I was thinking about ty bars , now I know that some ty bar will be more comfortable for me . Thanks for the Info. Just in case you wanted to know I ride a marin san Quentin 2 that has been upgraded, I live in socal
I just clicked and am excited. i have a 4130 80's Canadian made frame by Tech and was wondering how it may feel as compared to my Rocky with Ritchey made tange tubes.
"Lower adrenaline but more therapeutic to the soul." #truth 👍
Deadman's Pass is a very good choice for a trail on which to test frame compliance.
Surprised there was such a noticable difference considering both use the same Reynolds 525 for the rear triangle. (According to the Stanton Homepage).
Great review and picking up on the nuances of the two is what people want to hear. I really would love a quality HT..... Shame everything's getting more expensive and my wage packet isn't 🤣
Same here. Food, gas, bikes, everything is getting so expensive.
I don't think I've ever seen a review like this one. Very informative. Especially with reference to rider weigh and height. I'm 5' 7" 135 lbs. so everything feels stiff to me!
I'll bet! Frame compliance will make a HUGE difference to you on a hardtail. Same with wheel stiffness.
Steve reviews all Hardtails.
Dusty Betty reviews double suspensions.
This power couple has all MTB covered! 🤯
You do it often it seems so are probably pretty efficient; how long does it usually take to swap components from one frame to another?
I ride a fully rigid Cotic BFe , its perfect for the trails I ride , no rocks in Essex UK 🙂
Love me some pink flamingos👍. Do you think they’re any good for a little higher air. A little more lift in your ride😳 you said the reach wasn’t as stretched as some of the modern bikes that you ride. Are you opposed to adding a longer stem for added reach on a modern geometry bike?
I feel like you were talking to me in this! For a fluffy guy stuck in the 90s, stiffer is better. What rigid fork would work with the 4130?
This is wild. Just a couple of hours ago I watched a video of someone shredding a switch9er and checked out their website. I was curious about how much and what kind of difference was actually made by the different steels!
I can't speak for every bike, but it was noticeable on the Sherpas.
@@mountaincruiser817 no, it isn't. The youtube algorithm can't point me to a video that hasn't been posted yet.
I'm not attributing it to mysticism, but it is an odd coincidence that I happened to be thinking about the topic of Steve's video on the day he posted it when this is such a niche subject.
I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately I think they’re listening through our handheld devices. I’m joking and I’m not .because I’ve been having the same thing happen a lot lately talking about something and all of a sudden it pops up as advertisement or something on CZcams you do the math
Great video! I am 5`7`` 127lbs, so the Stanton UK-frame will be too stiff?
What is the stock width of those 31.8 x 30 rise Ti bars? 800 31.8 30mm's is my sweet spot.
I don't see your email info anywhere, so wanted to say it here.. Have you seen the Canyon Spectral 125 that debuted today?
Loved to see the short-travel trend come to a large company. You're truly a pioneer man.
Yes, i check all the major bike websites every day. Looks rad!
Just started watching your channel and am really enjoying it so thankyou.
I am that man riding a 2006 Kinesis XCPro2, rebuilt / sprayed by me and I’ve loved it as i transit from road, my question is I’m a 54 year old who wants a more modern hardtail but not too stretched out I think the Sherpa 853 should do it?
I do my bike consultation over on Patreon. I'd be happy to help you over there. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
@@hardtailparty thanks Simon
So geeky! So good!
Can the titanium bar be order by them selves and do you have a link to place order for the bars ?
I really want a Sherpa someday.
Man, I just bought a Nimble 9 two weeks ago, after nearly going the Honzo route. Much of that decision was based on your review. Then I see the title to this video. 🤦♂️. I almost didn't watch it because I didn't wanna have buyer's remorse. In the end, I doubt I'd be able to tell the difference in steels. I'm in love with the cherry cola paint anyways.
I’m 6” and 200lb. I think the 4130 version could be ok for me. What do you think?
I read on the website that both versions use the same 825 steel for the rear triangle. Would assume 90% of the compliance is coming from the rear triangle, since much thinner tubes compared to front triangle
Id actually assume the front triangle is thinner than the rear, but now I'm curious. I do know the top tube plays into how supple a bike rides.
Where can we buy the Stanton Titanium handlebars?
Every time I ride my full suspension bike It makes me wonder why do I have hardtails and then I ride my hardtail and say this is the only bike I need I love picking my lines and feeling like I’m flowing on the trail on the smoothest lines For me that’s the best part of mtb
So if the 4130 frame is .5lb heavier and the densities are the same (they've got to be really close) then the tubes are either larger in diameter or have more wall thickness (assuming no gussets or other frame differences). Both of those things will increase the moment of inertia for a tube and that will increase the tube's resistance to bending (stiffness). My guess is that the 4130 tubeset has more wall thickness and/or less butting than the 853. There are a thousand other things that can affect the stiffness as well but if the only difference is the tubeset then it has to be thicker walls or larger diameter tubing.
There are some vids on youtube of Dan Stanton explaining this. Indeed the wall thickness is different for some tubes (or it might only be the top tube…I forgot). With the Reynolds they could go a little bit thinner than with the 4130.
Steve, are going to review Slackline?)
Can you review the Ribble Ht 725 and DMR Trailstar please?
That's up to Ribble at this point.
Can you please review the curtis am7. Another British company with a different approach,the frames are brazed instead of welded. lovely frame and fully customisable. id love to hear your thoughts.
Those are supposed to be made to order, not stocked.
@@Jthe5th stantons are also made to order. the ti and 853 take months to arrive. only the 4103 is mass stocked.
@@hannahtaylor8996 Stanton orders their to and 4130 frames in batches.
@@hardtailparty So do you not review custom built frames?
@@hannahtaylor8996 I can, but the review won't really help anyone unless they get the exact same bike as I do. Geometry is such an important part to how a bike rides, and if everyone's geo is different, the review doesn't help many people. I'm still willing to review it, but it'll be reviewing a single bike, not everything Curtis makes.
I guess I will have to learn to live with the 10% difference.
Hi pal , I’m looking for a decent hardtail at the moment I’m torn between the banshee paradox v3 and the orange p7 , could you help or is there another bike you could recommend , thanks
I do my bike consultation via Patreon. If be happy to help you over there.
patreon.com/hardtailparty
I agree that your body weight makes the difference. I’m only 150lbs and think that my Reynolds 853 is nice but my 4130 is also the way they quad butted and didn’t over build my 4130 Chromoly frames. I think it’s more about the Geo plus the design and the frame makers intent to make a frame that has a supple feel.
Also, most 4130 isn't quad butted, so tubing profile and thickness really come into play too
@@hardtailparty absolutely
Hitting like even before I'm clicking play!
Can you try out the Starling Cycles Rooster?
I like the way you think. I've been in contact with them. Hopefully they decide to send one. It never hurts when my viewers send them a kind email too explaining why they'd like to see it on the channel.
@@hardtailparty i can try that!
you should talk about the difference in feel between going from a stiff hardtail to a compliant hardtail, vs going from a stiff hardtail to a stiff FS.
Why? A stiff FS can be made softer. A stiff hardtail can't.
@@hardtailparty just to give an idea of how much of a difference there is between different hardtails, compared to how much of a difference there is between a hardtail and a FS in general. for people that have never ridden a FS
@@dummkompf it's a HUGE difference. I recommend everyone try both to see what they prefer. Full suspension is great and it has its place. A supple hardtail is still way stiffer than any full suspension.
This is soooooooo bike dependent. I've had 853 bikes that were too stiff, and 853 bikes that had that magical steel compliance. I've also had 4130 bikes that were too stiff, and others that were magically springy and compliant as well. Frame design is absolutely an art, sometimes manufacturers nail it, and sometimes they miss. The original Surly Karate Monkey was their trail bike for years, and it was a punishing steel frame. After redesign a few years ago it became a springy and compliant ride. The old design became their Ogre, and it is still harsh. But it is designed to be a touring/bike packing bike, and with a load it smooths out and rides great. Such an art to frame design.
So true. I mentioned that in the video, that this only applies to the Sherpas. Same with my steel vs ti video.
What is Mitutoyo saying? Are the top- and downtube diameters the same on both frame versions?
Great question. I'll have to go measure them. I'll report back (though paint thickness may come into play). They sure look identical
Hi I'm pretty sure Dan Stanton has a video on tube diameter and thickness on the Stanton Bikes channel
Have watched his videos on the Sherpa v3 now. He expected the frame weight of the triple butted no name 4130 to be very close to the weight of the 853 frame.
Were the asians cheating a bit, putting a straight gauge tube in the mix...?
Still interested in the top- and downtube diameters...
How much travel did you run for the test? Thanks
120
can you try the ns bikes eccentric cromo?
Seconded.
Back in the 90s there was a dramatic difference in weight between straight-guage 4130 cro-mo and high end butted 4130 (i.e. Tange Prestige). I recall there being 1-1.5# in weight savings with the high-end cro-mo. Modern bike frames are bigger and heavier to start, why do you think that 853 is so heavy relative to standard 4130 in this application 🤔
Tubing thickness definitely comes into play. 853 is lighter than 4130, but not by a ton.
@@hardtailparty, how does 853 compare to the old Tange Prestige?
What do you think about the Sherpa with a 130 up front?
I can recommend it! I have the gen 3 Reynolds with a 130 Pike. For me just perfect! I only have 1 bike currently and it is my do-it-all bike. From XC/Trail to light Enduro etc. It climbs like a …Sherpa and descents like a beast!
Have you ridden the new Voodoo steel bike yet?
Nope, not yet
What dropper lever is that?
Paul
I miss UT.
If you were 50lbs heavier think you would go for the stiffer one?
Yes
Dan used to have all Tai Sherpas made out of 853 but Covid scuppered that. He was forced to come up with a far east alternative. Cotic continue to have Tai frames made out of 853.
853 is steel, not ti
@@hardtailparty Tai wanese Steve. As far as i know ti tanium's first three letters are different, at least in English.
Im a bigger guy and think I would still do the Taiwan frame.
I think the Taiwan frame is better suited for bigger guys.
Ti for me either way..