@greva2904 , he was a man of two worlds: the erratic drunk and sensitive sober man. Two of my friends' Dads have met Oliver: one said he was always drunk in his company (although not a bully) and the other met Oliver at a party in 1980 and said Oliver was a very nice man.
So often, Oliver Reed was silly and sarcastic and just clowned around during interviews and television program appearances. Here, they actually got a serious and focused discussion out of him. He obviously thought seriously on the topic at hand, and felt very strongly about the film and Ken Russell.
I find him absolutely fascinating. I was born in the 80s and never came across him until i saw Gladiator and then slowly started watching other things he was in and reading about him. You cant not look at him when hes on the screen. Such a great actor and a fascinating character with such charisma who is completely captivating. A real loss to the world ❤
The Devils is one of the most disturbing and thought-provoking films ever made! And the ending is just haunting. This film got heavily snubbed at the Oscars.
This film "The Devils" is a masterpiece -- and still unavailable in the US in it's original form. It is at least thematically as significant as "A Man for All Seasons": shocking and disturbing, and an absolute masterpiece. For a brief period of time Russell was one of the few directors who could compete with Kubrick. It is a crime that he has been almost forgotten, and that this film is not readily available.
It is the latest official and licensed release -- reassembled by Mark Kerkove and the BFI. Missing is a chunk of the "Rape of Christ" sequence, plus some other stuff. This material only exists in the Ken Russel print (apparently). All the details are in the Kerkove documentary. Here is the story so far: czcams.com/video/hAY6TFTAmQg/video.html
Ken Russell was a genius and he assembled the finest group of actors of all time for his movies: Oliver Reed, Glenda Jackson, Vanessa Redgrave, Alan Bates... he knew quality.
'Parkinson' Saturday night, and most of his guests were class 👌🏿 .. whether you liked them or not. The Devils, is up there as one of my favourite films of that genre
If this conversation took place in 2023 no television station would show it because it is ... not moronic, and the telly idiots would be bored. We have come a long way downhill.
"A proper time" for this film to be made - it's a universal timeless message. The Inca civilization, distracted by their own brother-to-brother in-fighting allowed 86 men from Spain to enter into Peru and completely defeat and destroy their entire civilization, forever. Our recent ex-Pres and his strong vow of nationalism might be compared to the priest (Oliver Reed) in this film, overcome finally by powerful outside forces that have caused all sorts of walls to topple since the election. This film was, and still is, amazing. Based on a true event, told in a book by Alduous Huxley, himself a fascinating visionary with his writings.
@@capitanfuturo594 Hmm, I think you might have misunderstood. From what I can observe, I've never personally witnessed a political party do more to topple their own government 'from within' than I have the current Democratic Party. Using funds from foreign governments, who cannot wage 'military' war, but economic & political war to bring us down, instead. D T may return, as in the role of Oliver Reed's priest portrayal in this film - someone who was trying to protect his city, make his city strong and resilient, but ultimately was forced out due to politics and greed.
@@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM Don't be silly and don't lose faith. It's all part of a plan and D.T. will return to the W.H. The military are with D.T. and all his government will be restored. Everyone knows that D.T. crushed the Democrats in the last elections. The 17th letter of the alphabet has everything under control along with D.T. D.T. has never ceased to be the leader of his beloved country. Open your eyes and see how Joe Friden always makes a fool of himself on camera. All this is part of a plan devised by the military who are destroying the puppet of the satanic globalists who wish to take over the most powerful nation in the world and thus be able to impose their ANTI-CHRISTIAN agenda. D.T. It will never allow that and the military is now in command of everything. *By the way, Oliver Reed is a movie legend.*
Oliver Reed was one of the best actors in history, his part in The Devils is mega great. This was a time when actors were real men, unlike the pansy brigade of today. R I P Oliver Reed and Hollywood.
In the past, actors (especially men ... and whites) could speak their minds without consequences for their careers. Now you can't even think why political correctness (blacks, gays, muslims and the radical feminism) then destroy you.
Having seen the truncated version on cable decades ago and bought a VHS copy of the same version it just makes me itch to see it fully restored. Is it merely the religious aspect that makes the studios squirm and cringe at the idea of releasing the full Ken Russell version? With all the simulated torture horror flick out now this seems to be the sole reason for its repression from mature filmgoers like myself and many others who desperately wish to this film complete as Russell intended without censorship This is another reason why the 70's were such a great era for cinema with many great directors (Russell, Roeg, Kubrick, Scorcese, Altman, Ashby, etc.) were doing their best work now that censorship restrictions were lowered and audiences seemed t be more eager to be challenged with something new. Today the focus is on money (big money) over something new so there will be endless X-Men, Superman, Batman, Transformers, Pirates of the Carrebean movies but they are empty experiences and do not challenger the viewer other than to endure the absurd running times. I hope I can see The Devils in it's fully restored version. Ken Russell has always been a great favorite of mine. Even when he had little money they were still inifinitely better than what Hollywood was regurgitating.
I think is the way the state manipulates reality in order to get away with murder - this type of films that encourage thinking - aren't going to get a restoration like the Bond films did... now in 2019 the MORONS are running the world...
@@mirkovic yeah it's funny how you say the state controls it. Just like in The Devils , the state is controlled by the church. In 2020 there aren't enough people challenging Christianity, especially the ones that are being born into it. But it reflects itself in nature; media is considered entertainment, whether it be based for kids or adults. The other day my 50 year old father said why would I want to watch a movie about the air getting worse and killing people. He said it like it just would've been the worst thing ever. But that's the problem with us now, it's not that we are afraid of seeing grotesque truth, just most people nowadays don't want to. Just like every dumb imbecile who thinks not learning about politics will help the world
It's nice t Oliver Reed not shown in a degraded light. Even though he sort of brought it upon himself it's just sad to see this level of self destruction, which is why I rarely ever read biographies on certain entertainment personalities such as Keith Moon. When is Warner Brothers going to grow a pair a pair and release the total uncensored version of The Devils. In comparison to today's movies it can't be all that shocking. I think it is one of Ken Russell's best and his excesses work in favor.
Just a very interesting phenomenon I noticed. I was listening to this video while looking elsewhere and during some portions of Oliver Reed's conversation, his voice sounded a bit higher than usual and I could have sworn I was hearing Graham Chapman's voice, accent and everything.
im guessing he was probarbly more than half cut here as in most interviews but Oliver Reed could be a very thoughtful and insightful man when sober... or partially sober. Miss him. My fave movie of his was Castaway.
What a brilliant film; incredibly interesting...transgression, blasphemy, philosophical questioning of not just religion, but what constitutes art...the power of image, the power of transgression. Kept reminding me of A Clockwork Orange, in it's transgression, but I actually prefer the Devils, both banned and censored and reviled, and yet a clockwork orange became the more viewed, even with it's actual sexual violence. Versus the devils, with its libertine dionysean explosion on stage. Very different visual offences, and yet one became barely viewed. Interesting...
Tell me, what is Oliver Reed referring to when he says, "in the light of maybe the troubles in (can't make out what he says here), it was a proper time for that film to be made." It would be especially helpful if you could get back to me as soon as possible, as I am working on a documentary on Ken Russell and The Devils. Please respond.
I'm probably much to late, but the word you missed is Ulster, which is a region of Northern Ireland. Oliver was talking about The Troubles, as they're known, which were sectarian violent episodes in the UK based around the question of Northern Ireland's status (whether it should belong to Ireland or the UK). I don't know how much of that history you know already, but if you Google "The Troubles Ireland" you should be able to learn all you need.
and showing him taking the government's line. 1) referring to Northern Ireland as "Ulster' 2) characterizing the conflict as merely sectarian conflict with the implication that the UK is an honest if hapless police authority
oliver reed - he's a charming, sympathic, competent man and a pretty good actor, too! and nowadays we have.... kristen stewart..... or paris hilton, .... well yeah....
The extreme religious violence in The Devils is also lacking in the history of the USA, whereas Europe where it was popular is all too familiar with it.
@@danielmaher7108 They were indeed, and they were basically forced out of England because they were too fanatical, and after all the religious wars Europe was sick of fanatics. The myth developed in America that the Puritan left because they wanted freedom of religion, when really they wanted freedom of oppression. But in terms of what they actually did in the name of religion, to other white people, the Salem Witch Trials were the worst thing that happened.
reed comes off good here as others have pointed out, but I feel he's a little overly ambitious. the beauty of the devils is how the message slips from your grasp just as it becomes clear. I don't agree with the notion it advocates for a more liberal catholicism, or portrays bigotry. Grandier falls just shy of martyrdom because he only turns his life around AFTER the circumstances have shifted. it's a tragedy, not a moral tale.
There has been speculation that he was. Nothing definitive can be retrieved from the historical record, with inferences being made from a few facts. His marriage with Anne of Austria was unhappy and strained, with the Queen not giving birth to the future Louis XIV until some twenty-three years after the wedding, with only one more child being produced, some two years later, before Louis XIII died in 1643. Louis XIII seems to have been largely indifferent to women, and seems to have had no mistresses, either official or discreet. The true nature of his sexuality will probably never be securely known. The son, Louis XIV, abhorred sodomites (as men sexually intimate with other males were called), and has never been thought to have indulged in this natural variation of sexual expression. HIs younger brother, however, Philippe, duc d'Orléans, was notorious for his intimate relations with other men. Philippe had been encouraged along these lines, along with indulgence in feminine attire and manners, while growing up out of an assumption that an effeminate man would not become a rival for power to his older brother. Louis XIV tolerated Philippe's homosexuality out of love for his brother, and the younger prince became a source of protection for noblemen at court who also pursued same-sex desires. The portrait given of Louis XIII in 'The Devils' strikes me as largely a fiction, imputing an effeminate flamboyance to him that actually belonged to his youngest son Philippe, and adding a dash of balletomania that is more securely attested to his oldest son and successor Louis XIV. In reality, Louis XIII seems to have been a rather sober, shy, and retiring character, whose homosexuality, were it a fact, was discreetly expressed to the point of invisibility.
I love England for so many reasons, but the "holy morality" crap is extremely tedious. Same in the superficially religious USofA, bastion of hypocritical, sanctimonious religious expression, with ugliness bubbling just under the surface. The censoring of artists really is a sign of a society in need of exactly the art and expression which it censors.
Oliver was so intelligent, so well-spoken and authentic and talented. Truly one of the greatest actors who ever graced the silver screen.
…when he was sober. When he was drunk he was a boorish bully.
@greva2904 , he was a man of two worlds: the erratic drunk and sensitive sober man. Two of my friends' Dads have met Oliver: one said he was always drunk in his company (although not a bully) and the other met Oliver at a party in 1980 and said Oliver was a very nice man.
Christ. People actually talked about interesting things on chat shows in the 70s. They didn't just riff endlessly on puerile jokes.
Couldnt agree more :) Now its all about themselves and their ego
Nowadays it’s just narcissism
Putrid
And people like Oliver Reed actually had very interesting lives.
@@petemarr824Or a crap book they are trying to sell
Beatles era stacked up against Taylor Swift!
Oliver Reed deserved an Oscar Nomination for his mesmerizing and powerful performance in The Devils. The film got snubbed heavily.
Prizes for artistry? That is the dumbest thing I heard. Especially Oscars are uber dull.
Bro there was no way in hell this film would have won anything during that time and it would probably have a hell of a hard time today.
@@ahenathon you’re so deep
@@bmorebob6624 Oh, dude. Best comment ever.
Snubbed? Looks like it was hated almost entirely.
Oliver Reed was a great looking dude with the most awesome voice. His acting is so fantastic
But he was a very nasty human being alas. Cruel.
I miss the great Oliver Reed... He was my favorite Musketeer of my childhood
Anyone who disregards Reed as an actor should watch his incredible performance in The Devils.
totally agree.
what a man. a toxic enthralling perfume. rude , exceptionally handsome and intelligent without irony. terrific. 🗣🧨
So often, Oliver Reed was silly and sarcastic and just clowned around during interviews and television program appearances. Here, they actually got a serious and focused discussion out of him. He obviously thought seriously on the topic at hand, and felt very strongly about the film and Ken Russell.
Hes was a wonderful actor. So pleased to see this interview
I think this might be the most sober interview of Oliver Reed I've ever seen.
Brilliant eloquence from Oliver here , plus a great film . K
A very clever man and very underrated actor-RIP
Saw "The Devils" today for the first time. Wanted to watch a few minutes, but I just couldn't take me eyes from it until the very end
I find him absolutely fascinating. I was born in the 80s and never came across him until i saw Gladiator and then slowly started watching other things he was in and reading about him. You cant not look at him when hes on the screen. Such a great actor and a fascinating character with such charisma who is completely captivating. A real loss to the world ❤
The Devils is one of the most disturbing and thought-provoking films ever made! And the ending is just haunting. This film got heavily snubbed at the Oscars.
This is the best interview I’ve ever seen with Oliver reed .
What an actor. The Devils is the most powerful film I've ever seen.
This film "The Devils" is a masterpiece -- and still unavailable in the US in it's original form. It is at least thematically as significant as "A Man for All Seasons": shocking and disturbing, and an absolute masterpiece. For a brief period of time Russell was one of the few directors who could compete with Kubrick. It is a crime that he has been almost forgotten, and that this film is not readily available.
Guy Incognito It was on some horror movie app last I checked, and uncut, I think
Actually I have the BFI PAL version, which is still missing an important section but more-or-less complete.
@@guy_incognito What's missing? What's the run time?
It is the latest official and licensed release -- reassembled by Mark Kerkove and the BFI. Missing is a chunk of the "Rape of Christ" sequence, plus some other stuff. This material only exists in the Ken Russel print (apparently). All the details are in the Kerkove documentary. Here is the story so far: czcams.com/video/hAY6TFTAmQg/video.html
It's a pain in the arse to find. It was on torrents
Ken Russell was a genius and he assembled the finest group of actors of all time for his movies: Oliver Reed, Glenda Jackson, Vanessa Redgrave, Alan Bates... he knew quality.
Oliver's mind is brilliant
Would this kind of serious, grown-up, thoughtful, informed conversation happen today on a primetime chat show?
Thank you for the video. I absolutely loved both the movie and this interview.
Oliver Reed was a very attractive man
He was so sexy.
After giving this interview he probably went home to Broome Hall and partied like a trooper.
In later years he'd party BEFORE the interview!
What's Broome Hall
@@lockandloadlikehell His country house.
'Parkinson' Saturday night, and most of his guests were class 👌🏿 .. whether you liked them or not. The Devils, is up there as one of my favourite films of that genre
Oliver Reed is great and his lapels are even better.
Beautifully spoken and damned attractive mam
He says "damn him! Damn him!" as if to say "typical of Ollie, burning to death and getting in the way of my vision"
Man, I did not know Oliver Reed was so Charming! I wish he were my Daddy!!!! I Love him!!!
Hey, CARRY ON UP THE KHYBER is a classic!
If this conversation took place in 2023 no television station would show it because it is ... not moronic, and the telly idiots would be bored. We have come a long way downhill.
"A proper time" for this film to be made - it's a universal timeless message. The Inca civilization, distracted by their own brother-to-brother in-fighting allowed 86 men from Spain to enter into Peru and completely defeat and destroy their entire civilization, forever. Our recent ex-Pres and his strong vow of nationalism might be compared to the priest (Oliver Reed) in this film, overcome finally by powerful outside forces that have caused all sorts of walls to topple since the election. This film was, and still is, amazing. Based on a true event, told in a book by Alduous Huxley, himself a fascinating visionary with his writings.
Stop writing nonsense.
D.T. will return very soon and his government will be stronger than ever.
MAGA is not dead ... continues to grow
@@capitanfuturo594 Hmm, I think you might have misunderstood. From what I can observe, I've never personally witnessed a political party do more to topple their own government 'from within' than I have the current Democratic Party. Using funds from foreign governments, who cannot wage 'military' war, but economic & political war to bring us down, instead. D T may return, as in the role of Oliver Reed's priest portrayal in this film - someone who was trying to protect his city, make his city strong and resilient, but ultimately was forced out due to politics and greed.
@@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM
Don't be silly and don't lose faith.
It's all part of a plan and D.T. will return to the W.H.
The military are with D.T. and all his government will be restored.
Everyone knows that D.T. crushed the Democrats in the last elections.
The 17th letter of the alphabet has everything under control along with D.T.
D.T. has never ceased to be the leader of his beloved country.
Open your eyes and see how Joe Friden always makes a fool of himself on camera.
All this is part of a plan devised by the military who are destroying the puppet of the satanic globalists who wish to take over the most powerful nation in the world and thus be able to impose their ANTI-CHRISTIAN agenda.
D.T. It will never allow that and the military is now in command of everything.
*By the way, Oliver Reed is a movie legend.*
Man I miss intelligent chat shows like this. Ross & Noughton not a patch
Yeah and now we're stuck with Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson.
It's spelt Norton, you total spazz.
Oliver Reed was one of the best actors in history, his part in The Devils is mega great. This was a time when actors were real men, unlike the pansy brigade of today. R I P Oliver Reed and Hollywood.
In the past, actors (especially men ... and whites) could speak their minds without consequences for their careers.
Now you can't even think why political correctness (blacks, gays, muslims and the radical feminism) then destroy you.
I love that film, it is operatic.
Having seen the truncated version on cable decades ago and bought a VHS copy of the same version it just makes me itch to see it fully restored. Is it merely the religious aspect that makes the studios squirm and cringe at the idea of releasing the full Ken Russell version? With all the simulated torture horror flick out now this seems to be the sole reason for its repression from mature filmgoers like myself and many others who desperately wish to this film complete as Russell intended without censorship This is another reason why the 70's were such a great era for cinema with many great directors (Russell, Roeg, Kubrick, Scorcese, Altman, Ashby, etc.) were doing their best work now that censorship restrictions were lowered and audiences seemed t be more eager to be challenged with something new. Today the focus is on money (big money) over something new so there will be endless X-Men, Superman, Batman, Transformers, Pirates of the Carrebean movies but they are empty experiences and do not challenger the viewer other than to endure the absurd running times. I hope I can see The Devils in it's fully restored version. Ken Russell has always been a great favorite of mine. Even when he had little money they were still inifinitely better than what Hollywood was regurgitating.
I think is the way the state manipulates reality in order to get away with murder - this type of films that encourage thinking - aren't going to get a restoration like the Bond films did... now in 2019 the MORONS are running the world...
@@mirkovic yeah it's funny how you say the state controls it. Just like in The Devils , the state is controlled by the church. In 2020 there aren't enough people challenging Christianity, especially the ones that are being born into it. But it reflects itself in nature; media is considered entertainment, whether it be based for kids or adults. The other day my 50 year old father said why would I want to watch a movie about the air getting worse and killing people. He said it like it just would've been the worst thing ever. But that's the problem with us now, it's not that we are afraid of seeing grotesque truth, just most people nowadays don't want to. Just like every dumb imbecile who thinks not learning about politics will help the world
@@skullyman409 the state doesn't control anything here! Neither of you know what you're talking about. WB refuses to release deleted scenes.
Russell and Roeg were pretty yucky. "Performance" actually made me sick.
@@johnmolina3284 wuss.
It's nice t Oliver Reed not shown in a degraded light. Even though he sort of brought it upon himself it's just sad to see this level of self destruction, which is why I rarely ever read biographies on certain entertainment personalities such as Keith Moon. When is Warner Brothers going to grow a pair a pair and release the total uncensored version of The Devils. In comparison to today's movies it can't be all that shocking. I think it is one of Ken Russell's best and his excesses work in favor.
GREG FREEMAN It’s not product enough.
Just a very interesting phenomenon I noticed. I was listening to this video while looking elsewhere and during some portions of Oliver Reed's conversation, his voice sounded a bit higher than usual and I could have sworn I was hearing Graham Chapman's voice, accent and everything.
And yet they have no problem selling Salo at my local Barnes and Noble.
Wow! Oliver Reed actually sober!
Wonderful! You wouldn't happen to have the rest of this interview?
im guessing he was probarbly more than half cut here as in most interviews but Oliver Reed could be a very thoughtful and insightful man when sober... or partially sober. Miss him. My fave movie of his was Castaway.
I want to see this film so badly! Went to join Shudder today so I could watch it but it doesn't seem to be on there anymore :(
I just watched it on a site, but YT will delete this reply: the name is 1 word for zoo and the other word for female written together dot kom
Hardest film to find ever. I got it downloaded once years ago. Anyone has it phase let me know
I am watching the movie it right now and strange is the word
I was an extra in that film. Weird experience.
Tell us more.
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@DiveJunkee Yes, but it's already on CZcams in three parts. Search for Parkinson Oliver Reed 1973.
He drank like a fish but spoke like a king.
"the troubles in Ulster now..."
@acf171072 Thank you!
@acf171072 Thanks! I'll check it out.
What a brilliant film; incredibly interesting...transgression, blasphemy, philosophical questioning of not just religion, but what constitutes art...the power of image, the power of transgression. Kept reminding me of A Clockwork Orange, in it's transgression, but I actually prefer the Devils, both banned and censored and reviled, and yet a clockwork orange became the more viewed, even with it's actual sexual violence. Versus the devils, with its libertine dionysean explosion on stage. Very different visual offences, and yet one became barely viewed. Interesting...
Tell me, what is Oliver Reed referring to when he says, "in the light of maybe the troubles in (can't make out what he says here), it was a proper time for that film to be made." It would be especially helpful if you could get back to me as soon as possible, as I am working on a documentary on Ken Russell and The Devils. Please respond.
I'm probably much to late, but the word you missed is Ulster, which is a region of Northern Ireland. Oliver was talking about The Troubles, as they're known, which were sectarian violent episodes in the UK based around the question of Northern Ireland's status (whether it should belong to Ireland or the UK). I don't know how much of that history you know already, but if you Google "The Troubles Ireland" you should be able to learn all you need.
@SirCameraHe says "troubles in Ulster now." In other words, the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
and showing him taking the government's line. 1) referring to Northern Ireland as "Ulster' 2) characterizing the conflict as merely sectarian conflict with the implication that the UK is an honest if hapless police authority
Don't suppose you've the complete episode have you?
They're all so fancy!
They are not fancy ... they simply speak English.
Wrong Parkie - The Devils was never a huge financial success or box office smash. Great artistic success, never a financial one.
Don't know who the lady is, but the other guy is Mickey Spillane. I mean sometimes writers look the way, you expect them to.
remains as the best movie on religious freaks ever made.
For a moment I thought the other guest was Mary Whitehouse - how disappointing
Ken Russells the devil's though the Lens of a Pablo Picasso Painting..
who is that older lady with the curly white hair??
can anyone tell me please?
Lady Isabel Barnett
David Murphy Isobel, actually.
@Rip Torn I'll let you know when I care what you think.
@Rip Torn I'll give your view all the respect it deserves.
Parkingson looks like a young noel Gallagher
oliver reed - he's a charming, sympathic, competent man and a pretty good actor, too!
and nowadays we have.... kristen stewart..... or paris hilton, .... well yeah....
Well, that was a bit selective.
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What actress played the young woman he impregnated?
Georgina Hale.
Lady Barbour
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The extreme religious violence in The Devils is also lacking in the history of the USA, whereas Europe where it was popular is all too familiar with it.
I don't know about that- the Puritans in New England were pretty hard core.
@@danielmaher7108 They were indeed, and they were basically forced out of England because they were too fanatical, and after all the religious wars Europe was sick of fanatics. The myth developed in America that the Puritan left because they wanted freedom of religion, when really they wanted freedom of oppression.
But in terms of what they actually did in the name of religion, to other white people, the Salem Witch Trials were the worst thing that happened.
So much of the violence, indeed genocide, against the indigenous peoples of the Americas was done in the name of religion.
Watch Bill Weise 23 minuets in hell on you tube for truth !Be blessed!
reed comes off good here as others have pointed out, but I feel he's a little overly ambitious. the beauty of the devils is how the message slips from your grasp just as it becomes clear. I don't agree with the notion it advocates for a more liberal catholicism, or portrays bigotry. Grandier falls just shy of martyrdom because he only turns his life around AFTER the circumstances have shifted. it's a tragedy, not a moral tale.
Was Louis XIII really gay? Louis XIV may have experimented. Henry of Valois definitely was. But not much is shed on Louis XIII.
There has been speculation that he was. Nothing definitive can be retrieved from the historical record, with inferences being made from a few facts. His marriage with Anne of Austria was unhappy and strained, with the Queen not giving birth to the future Louis XIV until some twenty-three years after the wedding, with only one more child being produced, some two years later, before Louis XIII died in 1643. Louis XIII seems to have been largely indifferent to women, and seems to have had no mistresses, either official or discreet. The true nature of his sexuality will probably never be securely known.
The son, Louis XIV, abhorred sodomites (as men sexually intimate with other males were called), and has never been thought to have indulged in this natural variation of sexual expression. HIs younger brother, however, Philippe, duc d'Orléans, was notorious for his intimate relations with other men. Philippe had been encouraged along these lines, along with indulgence in feminine attire and manners, while growing up out of an assumption that an effeminate man would not become a rival for power to his older brother. Louis XIV tolerated Philippe's homosexuality out of love for his brother, and the younger prince became a source of protection for noblemen at court who also pursued same-sex desires.
The portrait given of Louis XIII in 'The Devils' strikes me as largely a fiction, imputing an effeminate flamboyance to him that actually belonged to his youngest son Philippe, and adding a dash of balletomania that is more securely attested to his oldest son and successor Louis XIV. In reality, Louis XIII seems to have been a rather sober, shy, and retiring character, whose homosexuality, were it a fact, was discreetly expressed to the point of invisibility.
Looked like a freemason meeting.
I love England for so many reasons, but the "holy morality" crap is extremely tedious. Same in the superficially religious USofA, bastion of hypocritical, sanctimonious religious expression, with ugliness bubbling just under the surface. The censoring of artists really is a sign of a society in need of exactly the art and expression which it censors.